Rude Turnip: Never had chicken pox and now you're an adult?

Did have Cpox as a kid (along with mumps & measles - hey, I'm 50).

Still managed to have a shingles outbreak (extreme job stress and too many martinis on too regular a basis). It did suck - for a couple of weeks. Prednisone made it fade, but now and then I can feel it trying to break out again (stress again).

If you can, go ahead and see if they'll vaccinate your adult backside.

Jenny McCarthy is a murderer, plain and simple. Her entire schtick tapdances around "it's better to risk killing someone else's baby than risk your precious snowflake being less than perfect." Her arguments rests upon bad science, when she bothers to involve science at all. Anyone who doesn't vaccinate their children because of her should have their children taken away, not as punishment but to protect the children.

There are children who are dead because their parents were told that was an acceptable risk to not have an autistic child. There are children who are dead because they were too young/immunocompromised/otherwise physically unable to be vaccinated and caught a previously eradicated disease.

There's a whole lot of other damage she's done to the autism cause, but it all pales next to teeny-tiny baby coffins.

BoxOfBees: Not that I think vaccinations are necessarily bad, but CDC statistics and reports are almost universally biased in favor of widespread multiple early vaccinations. I wouldn't take their word on it any more than I would take Jenny Mc's

Doctor's are almost universally biased in favor of me getting my syphilis treated, I wouldn't take their word for it over the homeless guy who rants about Jesus down the street from where I live.

I blame Fox news for so many people suddenly deciding that their own uneducated opinions trump science. People don't even bother to look things up any more, they just go with their gut feelings instead of at least questioning someone who's studied it.

Elminst: Not to derail the hate for Jenny mcarthy (stupid twat),
but the actual report (new window) says this:
"Of the 118 cases, 105 (89%) were associated with importation from other countries, including 46 importations (34 among U.S. residents traveling abroad and 12 among foreign visitors). "

105 of the cases were the result of someone coming from another country (with not as good vaccination efforts), or an American visiting a country with more measles infections.

So the current problem is that more people are coming into the U.S. already having the disease. But if the anti-vac nuts keep it up, then we'll probably see the non-import cases rising in the future.

That problem was solved 110 years ago, when Vito Andolini came to America. Surely now we have an even better system in place, like maybe dowsing them in Purell™ as soon as they get off the plane? Or just doing nothing and all of us dying as a consequence? It's gotta be one of those two, right?

BoxOfBees: Glenford: Satanicpuppy: Eh. She didn't kill anyone this time.

/Not yet, at least.

727 deaths according to Jenny McCarthy Body Count

Thanks, I will be sure to put that info in my novel, have it printed, and then mail it to my public library to be placed in the fiction section.

/not a fan of acrimonious BS

Rude Turnip: Never had chicken pox and now you're an adult? As the tenth Doctor would say, "I'm sorry, I'm so sorry." Get ready for a world of nerve-tingling extreme pain and possible death if you ever catch the adult version, shingles. You're best off staying away from any kids with chicken pox.

Shingles does not work that way.

Shingles is the chicken pox virus that you got as a kid and has laid dormant at the base of your spine popping up to say "hi". You can pretty much only get shingles if you had chicken pox earlier. Also, if you notice it early enough they can put you on anti-virals and avoid much of the pain and suffering.

/has shingles right now
//not too bad, but we caught it early.
///jesus do I want to scratch my back though :(

Arachnophobe: Rapmaster2000: Mechanicum: I love it when celebrity "experts" with no education in a subject hold the ear of the public over actual scientists and doctors. Sign of the times.

The logic goes, she's a MOM so she has a magical powers that tell her WHAT'S BEST for HER CHILD. Or something.

Came here to post this little gem of idiocy, pleased to see someone beat me to it / also remembers it and wasn't my imagination.

I think the real problem is that she's hot and so she's not used to disagreement.

katrina_666: Rude Turnip: Ball of Confusion: i've never had any of the childhood diseases. no mumps no measles no chicken pox no whooping cough no nothing.

is there anyone here on fark that is younger than ~40, born in usa, and has a smallpox vaccination scar?

Never had chicken pox and now you're an adult? As the tenth Doctor would say, "I'm sorry, I'm so sorry." Get ready for a world of nerve-tingling extreme pain and possible death if you ever catch the adult version, shingles. You're best off staying away from any kids with chicken pox.

It is pretty rare to get shingles without first having had chicken pox. The virus stays dormant in nerve cells.

That's what I thought. I got shingles once, when I was about 25, maybe 26. My doctor summed it up as 'chicken pox never really leaves you, it hangs out in your spinal fluid and sometimes will pop up and say 'hi, remember me?'. That's shingles.'

I really don't care what Jenny McCarthy thinks about anything. I do, however, care about the fact that she is one of the hottest chicks in the history of chicks and that her rack is absolutely fan-farking-tastic.

rrhoid rage: most of these measles cases are from unvaxed immigrants, which can then spread. They avoid vaccines due to fears that our gubmint has spiked it...

[Citation needed]

If there really IS a big pharma conspiracy...why is Jenny still alive?

Then there are those parents that refuse to vaccinate for "Religious Reasons"

So not vaccinating your kid, exposing them (and the rest of us!) to horrible diseases because YOU want to get your "brownie points" from your absolute asshole of a god so YOU can get into heaven?

What a thoroughly SELFISH religion you belong to. Kill others so you can stroke the ego of your imaginary sky-wizard.

Your religion deserves zero respect. It is criminal, plain and simple. No better than those superstitious middle easterners who stone adulterers and rape victims to death to please their magic man in the sky.

You should be in JAIL and your kids taken from you. To protect them and the rest of us.

cheesewheel: jigger: Is this some sort of concerted effort? The Nature RSS today had like 6 articles about vaccination, one about a guy whose son caught polio from the polio vaccine.

The article was not exactly about that guy - one in 2.4 million doses of that vaccine can cause polio in those with immune system deficiencies - but about the research into vaccines and how people take one example of infection and blow it out of proportion. Kind of how you're doing here.

Hysteria about false vaccine risks often overshadows the challenges of detecting the real ones..

How did I "blow it out of proportion"? By mentioning the article?

How many people read that post and said "Hmm. I didn't know that it's possible to catch polio from the live polio vaccine and now I do." ?

Rapmaster2000: Arachnophobe: Rapmaster2000: Mechanicum: I love it when celebrity "experts" with no education in a subject hold the ear of the public over actual scientists and doctors. Sign of the times.

The logic goes, she's a MOM so she has a magical powers that tell her WHAT'S BEST for HER CHILD. Or something.

Came here to post this little gem of idiocy, pleased to see someone beat me to it / also remembers it and wasn't my imagination.

I think the real problem is that she's hot and so she's not used to disagreement.

No, the real problem is that she's hot and she knows it. She considers herself perfect, therefore the only way her child could possibly be autistic is because of some outside influence. It's simply not possible that it's somehow genetic.

Ball of Confusion: i've never had any of the childhood diseases. no mumps no measles no chicken pox no whooping cough no nothing.

is there anyone here on fark that is younger than ~40, born in usa, and has a smallpox vaccination scar?

I received the smallpox vaccine when I was little. I have a visible scar, and I have my shot records showing the date. Regardless, the military made me get it again before going to Iraq in 2004.

/42

squirrelflavoredyogurt: I blame Fox news for so many people suddenly deciding that their own uneducated opinions trump science. People don't even bother to look things up any more, they just go with their gut feelings instead of at least questioning someone who's studied it.

I'm going to figure that by "Fox News" you meant "Oprah".

sn68f: Ball of Confusion: i've never had any of the childhood diseases. no mumps no measles no chicken pox no whooping cough no nothing.

is there anyone here on fark that is younger than ~40, born in usa, and has a smallpox vaccination scar?

I received the smallpox vaccine when I was little. I have a visible scar, and I have my shot records showing the date. Regardless, the military made me get it again before going to Iraq in 2004.

/42

IIRC, your original smallpox vaccine was 'dead' after 10 years so you would need it again.

She wants polio back in the country, nonsensically because she believes vaccines are not tested, and it would teach us a lesson.

That lesson would be "VACCINATE, YOU DOLT!"

I predict within 5-10 years vaccine rates will improve as more people are exposed to exactly what not vaccinating does to a population.

Good. My kids are vaccinated, stupid kids are going to die. (yes, they're stupid. Stupid parents produce stupid children. Welcome to genetics)

I think the real problem is the cultural shift towards "everyone's opinion is valid". You are entitled to your opinion, but that does not make you correct. The relativism we are seeing has the ignorant believing they are just as qualified as someone legitimately licensed or studied, for the sheer fact that their right to loudly spread their ignorance is so powerfully protected. You may have a right to proclaim whatever you want, but i still will call you on your bullshiat and point out flaws in your argument.

ghare: Good. My kids are vaccinated, stupid kids are going to die. (yes, they're stupid. Stupid parents produce stupid children. Welcome to genetics)



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House of Tards: My vaccine was taken orally. I think around 40-45 years ago they switched dosing mechanisms.

I'm in my 50s and remember all the kids at the pool, beach having the arm marks, then, suddenly, they dissappeared on the girls, who were geting them in the thigh so they could wear sundresses and not show a mark, then they went to oral.

I fondly recall them going to oral.

Spade: sn68f: Ball of Confusion: i've never had any of the childhood diseases. no mumps no measles no chicken pox no whooping cough no nothing.

is there anyone here on fark that is younger than ~40, born in usa, and has a smallpox vaccination scar?

I received the smallpox vaccine when I was little. I have a visible scar, and I have my shot records showing the date. Regardless, the military made me get it again before going to Iraq in 2004.

/42

IIRC, your original smallpox vaccine was 'dead' after 10 years so you would need it again.

Google agrees. Well, ok then.

BoxOfBees: Not that I think vaccinations are necessarily bad, but CDC statistics and reports are almost universally biased in favor of widespread multiple early vaccinations. I wouldn't take their word on it any more than I would take Jenny Mc's

So you are saying that the CDC is deliberately hiding those huge outbreaks of polio we are having?

Ha, just kidding! I had to point that out because you seem to believe that Jnny McCarthy and the Center for Disease Control are remotely on the same level, which makes you a complete idiot.

Mechanicum: I think the real problem is the cultural shift towards "everyone's opinion is valid". You are entitled to your opinion, but that does not make you correct. The relativism we are seeing has the ignorant believing they are just as qualified as someone legitimately licensed or studied, for the sheer fact that their right to loudly spread their ignorance is so powerfully protected. You may have a right to proclaim whatever you want, but i still will call you on your bullshiat and point out flaws in your argument.


Apply the above to voting.
* shudder *

Mechanicum: I think the real problem is the cultural shift towards "everyone's opinion is valid". You are entitled to your opinion, but that does not make you correct. The relativism we are seeing has the ignorant believing they are just as qualified as someone legitimately licensed or studied, for the sheer fact that their right to loudly spread their ignorance is so powerfully protected. You may have a right to proclaim whatever you want, but i still will call you on your bullshiat and point out flaws in your argument.

Plus, there's "I saw it on TV", or "It's on the internet."

Mechanicum: I think the real problem is the cultural shift towards "everyone's opinion is valid". You are entitled to your opinion, but that does not make you correct. The relativism we are seeing has the ignorant believing they are just as qualified as someone legitimately licensed or studied, for the sheer fact that their right to loudly spread their ignorance is so powerfully protected. You may have a right to proclaim whatever you want, but i still will call you on your bullshiat and point out flaws in your argument.


/Because if you don't accept that everyone's opinion is valid, you are a hateful, bigoted, racist, sexist, Western imperialist.

BurnShrike: The Divine Ponytail: I think it's pretty safe to say that a lot of people are idiots.

Too bad there isn't a vaccine against stupid.

there is. it is called "Education", but we cut its funding.

Mechanicum: I love it when celebrity "experts" with no education in a subject hold the ear of the public over actual scientists and doctors. Sign of the times.

Most of us are taught from a very early age that people whon are pretty and popular are right and people who are nerdy and unpopular are wrong. For the average person, figuring out what is actually true about something is impossible.

vudukungfu: I fondly recall them going to oral.

me too

I just got prepared for Zombies!

Actually, I wish that a class on logic was reintroduced as a required class for graduation from the public school system. I think if the average American was able to readily identify the most obvious logical fallacies the country would be a much better place. I have already decided this is one thing i am forcing my kids to learn about from a young age.

mcwehrle: Rude Turnip: Ball of Confusion: i've never had any of the childhood diseases. no mumps no measles no chicken pox no whooping cough no nothing.

is there anyone here on fark that is younger than ~40, born in usa, and has a smallpox vaccination scar?

Never had chicken pox and now you're an adult? As the tenth Doctor would say, "I'm sorry, I'm so sorry." Get ready for a world of nerve-tingling extreme pain and possible death if you ever catch the adult version, shingles. You're best off staying away from any kids with chicken pox.

And even sometimes having had childhood chickenpox doesn't protect you. Apparently my chicken pox wasn't 'severe enough' or some such, and shingles at 35, let me tell you.........painful. Luckily, because I had had the pox, treating shingles was a little easier. It was still 5~6 weeks of constant, burning, brain melting pain....

Due to my lupus, I recently learned that even though I had Chickenpox as a child, my immune system sucks to the point that I could get chickenpox in addition to shingles.

I love having no immune response. Here is to the same infection coming back again though I've completed two full-course treatments of antibiotics.

/I hate my body sometimes, although my husband never seems to mind
//if you catch my drift
///hell, his chances are better when I'm on meds

Spade: squirrelflavoredyogurt: I blame Fox news for so many people suddenly deciding that their own uneducated opinions trump science. People don't even bother to look things up any more, they just go with their gut feelings instead of at least questioning someone who's studied it.

I'm going to figure that by "Fox News" you meant "Oprah".

To be fair they've both stumped for the anti-vaxers and this idiocy crosses all political and socioeconomic lines.

Anastacya: mcwehrle: Rude Turnip: Ball of Confusion: i've never had any of the childhood diseases. no mumps no measles no chicken pox no whooping cough no nothing.

is there anyone here on fark that is younger than ~40, born in usa, and has a smallpox vaccination scar?

Never had chicken pox and now you're an adult? As the tenth Doctor would say, "I'm sorry, I'm so sorry." Get ready for a world of nerve-tingling extreme pain and possible death if you ever catch the adult version, shingles. You're best off staying away from any kids with chicken pox.

And even sometimes having had childhood chickenpox doesn't protect you. Apparently my chicken pox wasn't 'severe enough' or some such, and shingles at 35, let me tell you.........painful. Luckily, because I had had the pox, treating shingles was a little easier. It was still 5~6 weeks of constant, burning, brain melting pain....

Due to my lupus, I recently learned that even though I had Chickenpox as a child, my immune system sucks to the point that I could get chickenpox in addition to shingles.

I love having no immune response. Here is to the same infection coming back again though I've completed two full-course treatments of antibiotics.

/I hate my body sometimes, although my husband never seems to mind
//if you catch my drift
///hell, his chances are better when I'm on meds

Oh, it's you again.

My grandfather had Polio and survived.

He survived but still wore a leg brace his entire life. Because he was one of the few that survived and made it to old age, he was studied by many doctors and his life even ended with something called Post-Polio Disease. Basically, his muscles would deteriorate if they were used, but unless his muscles were used they would deteriorate anyway. A Catch-22.

Sadly, this country may be headed towards a path where we remember the horrors of these diseases, and why we created vaccinations in the first place.


/stupidity should be painful

Crotchrocket Slim: Spade: squirrelflavoredyogurt: I blame Fox news for so many people suddenly deciding that their own uneducated opinions trump science. People don't even bother to look things up any more, they just go with their gut feelings instead of at least questioning someone who's studied it.

I'm going to figure that by "Fox News" you meant "Oprah".

To be fair they've both stumped for the anti-vaxers and this idiocy crosses all political and socioeconomic lines.

eg, Bill Maher

ghare: Good. My kids are vaccinated, stupid kids are going to die. (yes, they're stupid. Stupid parents produce stupid children. Welcome to genetics)

You're a bit misinformed as to how vaccines work.

You're missing the bit about herd immunity. What stupid people choose to do with their kids DOES affect the health of your kids.

Elminst: 105 of the cases were the result of someone coming from another country (with not as good vaccination efforts), or an American visiting a country with more measles infections.

So the current problem is that more people are coming into the U.S. already having the disease. But if the anti-vac nuts keep it up, then we'll probably see the non-import cases rising in the future.

You've oversimplified a bit. The *infection* came in from another country, but the reason for the outbreaks was pockets of unvaccinated local people to catch the disease.

From the article: "The largest outbreak occurred among 21 persons in a Minnesota population in which many children were unvaccinated because of parental concerns about the safety of measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine. That outbreak resulted in exposure to many persons and infection of at least seven infants too young to receive MMR vaccine (4)."

So, yes-- those 21 cases were the result of somebody infected coming in from another country. But the reason there were 21 cases instead of one was because they didn't vaccinate their kids. This resulted in even further spread to people who can't be vaccinated, like the seven infants too young to receive vaccination, who would have had the protection of herd immunity if the other people around them were vaccinated against the disease.

BurnShrike: Couldn't we counter this by starting a rumour that catching measles itself causes autism? Then all the idiots would want to get immunized again.

I guess we could always claim that catching measles causes measles, but that doesn't appear to always work.

I can't speak for autism, exactly, but there is apparently evidence that fever/illness during the second trimester can increase the chances of schizophrenia manifesting itself. There has to be the genetic vulnerability for it, of course -- schizophrenia is about 50% hereditary -- but the other 50% of the variability is environmental factors. One of those (and I'm digging back to my spring 2003 abnormal psych class here) is illness during the second trimester. I'm not well-read on autism's causes, but I think there's a genetic basis for autism, with prenatal environmental factors being the stressor that causes the genetic tendency to be expressed.

The terminology for the whole genetic predisposition and environmental stressors thing? It's called diathesis-stress.

So down the road, when all these unvaccinated kids are grown up and have kids, some of them may get major illnesses during pregnancy and increase the rate of various disorders and illnesses for their own kids. Yeah, the case can be made, though there are stronger arguments against the Jenny McCarthy brigade.

From TFA:

Eighty-nine percent of all reported cases have been in people who've been unvaccinated. Almost 20 percent of that figure is made up

LOL

Ball of Confusion: i've never had any of the childhood diseases. no mumps no measles no chicken pox no whooping cough no nothing.

is there anyone here on fark that is younger than ~40, born in usa, and has a smallpox vaccination scar?

I'm 35 and have a smallpox scar.

/born in D.C.

sharpie_69: Anastacya: mcwehrle: Rude Turnip: Ball of Confusion: i've never had any of the childhood diseases. no mumps no measles no chicken pox no whooping cough no nothing.

is there anyone here on fark that is younger than ~40, born in usa, and has a smallpox vaccination scar?

Never had chicken pox and now you're an adult? As the tenth Doctor would say, "I'm sorry, I'm so sorry." Get ready for a world of nerve-tingling extreme pain and possible death if you ever catch the adult version, shingles. You're best off staying away from any kids with chicken pox.

And even sometimes having had childhood chickenpox doesn't protect you. Apparently my chicken pox wasn't 'severe enough' or some such, and shingles at 35, let me tell you.........painful. Luckily, because I had had the pox, treating shingles was a little easier. It was still 5~6 weeks of constant, burning, brain melting pain....

Due to my lupus, I recently learned that even though I had Chickenpox as a child, my immune system sucks to the point that I could get chickenpox in addition to shingles.

I love having no immune response. Here is to the same infection coming back again though I've completed two full-course treatments of antibiotics.

/I hate my body sometimes, although my husband never seems to mind
//if you catch my drift
///hell, his chances are better when I'm on meds

Oh, it's you again.

Howdy to you too. Jeez, haven't been active in a while and I get the red carpet treatment. Im so loved.

HellRaisingHoosier: My grandfather had Polio and survived.

He survived but still wore a leg brace his entire life. Because he was one of the few that survived and made it to old age, he was studied by many doctors and his life even ended with something called Post-Polio Disease. Basically, his muscles would deteriorate if they were used, but unless his muscles were used they would deteriorate anyway. A Catch-22.

Sadly, this country may be headed towards a path where we remember the horrors of these diseases, and why we created vaccinations in the first place.


/stupidity should be painful

My father had it and is in pretty good shape for being in his 70s, all things considered. As a kid, he spent a year in the hospital (1950s)...I'm still not quite sure how he came out of it so well.

Ball of Confusion: i've never had any of the childhood diseases. no mumps no measles no chicken pox no whooping cough no nothing.

is there anyone here on fark that is younger than ~40, born in usa, and has a smallpox vaccination scar?

I'm 44 and I have one. Dad was in the military and we lived overseas when I was a kid.

As the single father of a 7 year old autistic boy (classic autism. the 1-in-1000 Rainman kind. not that asperger business), I have to say I really don't care about any of this.

It's just ... not important. If there is something I NEED to know, my son's pediatric neurologist will tell me. Anything on the TV is just rating-grabs, bad science, speculation, and false hope. It's too much to keep up with and ultimately depressing.

I just take care of my kid. I do some occasional reading on how best to handle behavioral situations that might come up, specifically tailored for children with autism. That's it, really. Parents that dwell on their child's condition to crazy extents make me feel sorry for the child.

Stop praying for your cure, vaccine, or for them to find a cause. Go play some blocks or whatever they enjoy. Right now, my kid is in the other room playing Super Mario Galaxy (his after-school routine). I'll go join him when he's done eating.

Honestly, the kid is happier than any normal kid I've ever met. Very easy to please as long as you know the right buttons and knobs. Always laughing about who-knows-what. Ignorance is bliss. All needs met. Play all day. Never a concern about anything for his entire life. Except elevators. He hates those.

I guess what I'm saying is people need to relax. There are certainly worse ailments than autism. I swear they're more concerned about how much trouble the child will be to them, than the child himself. And these people that consider it a curse and call him a victim ... I have the happiest kid in the tri-county area. He'd give you the finger if it wasn't being cleaned by the dog....

How can Jenny McCarthy not know what she is talking about with tits that big?

Jackpot777 [TotalFark] Quote 2011-05-25 03:51:30 PM

JENNY McCARTHY

BABY KITTEN KILLER

\yeah she's an idiot
\\not interested in her for her brain.
\\\FIFY