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2001-10-24 04:53:15 PM  
i didn't think legislature's wasted time...
*sigh* there goes the last of my innocence

now is the part where i force you into the closet with nothing but a salt lick, and you can't come out till you finishiat
2001-10-24 04:56:29 PM  
We should be looking to our leaders to set an example of patriotism. If they weren't all out for themselves (Farking Whores) and cared even a little about the people of this country maybe our children would believe it when we tell them they should be patriotic. Instead they see the people we have elected doing anything they can to put money in their own pockets. Democrats, don't think I am excluding you just because your candidates espouse populist views. They are just as corrupt and greedy as the rest. I hate Democrats almost as much as I hate Republicans.
2001-10-24 04:59:17 PM  
Has anyone actually read any of our original documents? Constitution, Declaration of Independance, Emancipation Proclomation, etc.? They are filled with references to God. So don't give me this "God was added in the 50's" bullshiat.

If someone already said this, I'm sorry. There's only so much America bashing I can take. And for the people that despise this country and it's history, we only try to keep people out, but the exit door is wide open.
2001-10-24 05:06:30 PM  
AndyChrist, ya farking idiot, im in motherfarking AP history and they but my ass everday with the documents. And what i know is that they were trying to maintain the separation of church and state. Also they were all deists

Jesus was a coont
2001-10-24 05:07:30 PM  
Andy- that discussion was about the addition of 'under god' to pledge of alligience.

See how much we need to improve literacy folks? Even for those here that can sound out the words, the retention and comprehension are abysmal. Do you think it's any better on a national level? i doubt it.
2001-10-24 05:08:00 PM  
damn, i cant say jesus was a coont without adding a space. Uh i know a lot more about the documents too
jesus was a coont
jesus was a coont
2001-10-24 05:08:51 PM  
DAmmit coont
2001-10-24 05:09:30 PM  
you people crack me up. you act like the johhny lawmaker will send the thought police after your kids for a beating, if he doesn't stand for the pledge. i keep hearing i'm not a sheep, i got news for you, no matter how much you think you will never conform to something, you are a SHEEP. everyday, you go to work and sit in traffic, being herded down the highway. or when you stop at a traffic (because the govt told you you have to) i find it funny, that most schools that i know of, kids are in uniforms and have a dozen other unconstitutional laws governoring them(UNIFORMS IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS). all you billy bad asses that didn't stand when you were in school, did you yell when they asked for a moment of silence for some kid dying, or jump up and down when they asked you to be seated when the bell rang(please) i am curious, what do you people do when when your at a baseball game (or any major sporting event) and they play the s.s.b.,i bet you your computer you don't sit your ass in that seat and whine about how it's unconstitutional to make you listen to it before a game. no! you stand up! don't you? or when you are in court and the bailif asks you to tell the whole truth so help you god. do you tell him no my blah constitution balah rights waha ah ahaa and start crying about how your no sheep it's not right. it really is sad that how now-a-days the threads that bind this country is being pulled apart by selfish people. most of you, don't have kids, never been too a third world country, never had to use the judical system, never been had anybody you know die in war. i understand that this country is founded on freedom, and how indians were hurt in the process obtainning that freedom, i'm sorry, i'm sure the govt, now ,is sorry too, sorry for something that happened 500 years ago, that we today were not apart of. freedom is good i like freedom, rights are good too. it's your right too feel the way you do about this subject, as is it's my right to feel my way. i don't feel like my child would be losing his rights, if he stood up(at any age)because i would want him to stand up, out of the lost art of, respect! because people die, yes in fighting for freedom, as silly as that might sound to you(a law to make someone stand, to pay respect to the country and veterans which fought for freedom)they still died and in the present days of mass media, computers, disposable everything, and barney, that is something that is forgotten more and more as the years go on.

sorry i rushed to write, this sheep needs to leave a-bit early to beat the traffic .FLAME AWAY no-it-alls. ican't spell by the way
2001-10-24 05:09:30 PM  
okay ive establisht that u can spell

2001-10-24 05:10:58 PM  
then ur child can say the pledge, whats the big deal kel? ya cocksuck
2001-10-24 05:15:09 PM  
i was hoping Kel would add a soup insult
2001-10-24 05:15:41 PM  
Wow, impressive rant. But somebody missed the point entirely.
2001-10-24 05:18:12 PM  
I was hoping for the salt-lick all for myself
2001-10-24 05:21:48 PM  
if it was the 'done thing' for english school children to pledge loyalty to the queen every morning - and there was an american family living in the country whose child went to the school - should it be *the law* that the child should also pledge loyalty to the queen or 'fark off back to its own country'?? why should the american child be made to be loyal to a country head that isn't its own? and why should reluctance to do so cause him or her to be resented by the local people??

there are a lot of americans who say 'you know where the door is' - america would also be a better place if certain americans used it!
2001-10-24 05:23:01 PM  
So true Bijou, so true
2001-10-24 05:44:50 PM  
The only people I ever hear say, "you know where the exit door is" or "If you don't love this country then leave it." are people that want to change the laws of the country. People who for the most part, never have a college education or got low scores in school, but they will never admit to it or they will lie and say that they got good grades. They don't comprehend freedom, and that forced patriotism is the worse patriotism to ask for. It is beyond their ability to understand that freedom never has the words "must do this" in it.
2001-10-24 06:00:24 PM  
2001-10-24 06:13:12 PM  
All of you saying we are whining about our constitutional rights are the same ones that would scream that the consitution protects your rights to bare arms.
2001-10-24 06:19:01 PM  
kels rant was too long and boring and i lost interest, all i read is he thinks we're whiners or some crap. In court i would say so help me SATAN! because he is my friend, we go kitty and child burning frequently

farking Cock Apes
2001-10-24 06:23:38 PM  
rice my man: i like your style, troll them back in with insults and shock statements.
u fawking retard!----->your on a tRoll, keep up the good work. they'll come back.
2001-10-24 06:30:49 PM  

As is evident by your statement YOU have not read the Constitution, or the history of the pledge of allegience, and have a dangerously ignorant understanding of America's history.

As I said earlier The Pledge was written in 1892 (I said late 1890's last time but have since confirmed my facts...Something AndyChrist could think about doing)
and "Under God" was indeed added in 1954 to be specific. There was a wave of "rabid nationalism" going around the country in the 50's too. One that ended up with Japanese in internment camps, bomb shelters in backyards, and Movie Moguls having to defend themselves BEFORE CONGRESS for being "UnAmerican". Take a gander at some history, then come back and speak about FACTS and not about your distorted Christian-fed perversions of it... ok?

And by the way... There are only 2 references AT ALL about ANY kind of theology in the Constitution "that we are endowed by our creator to certain inalienable rights" and "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."

Based on God? I think not... America was established as secular from its inception due to it's split with the state-run religion of England and their "exposure" to "religious freedom" here in the Colonies where Freedom of Religion meant "Freedom to practice OUR religion" like the Quakers in Pennsylvania. The ONLY place religious freedom was available PRIOR to the Constitution was in the Baptist settlement of Rhode Island run by Roger Williams who was a Baptist that actually sought out Jews and everyone else to come to his settlement.

Sorry for the history lesson everyone, but some people STILL don't seem to understand the BASIS on which America was based...
2001-10-24 06:40:38 PM  
I think Kel is just bitter that he was booted out of survivor so soon. :)

There is one distinction that you are missing. Traffic laws are just because they enforce a behavior. I think we all agree that we need some laws to have an ordered society. I see no one advocating anarchy. When we start passing laws that govern thoughts and beliefs you are standing on dangerous ground. (Yes, I know, standing is a behavior but the act of standing is reflection of the belief behind it. )

No one is denying that the people that who fought for our country deserve respect. On the contrary, I think everyone is arguing that we should also respect what they fought for - freedom. If you fought for something would you rather have respect for that from people who willing respected you or from people who were forced to respect you?
2001-10-24 06:53:54 PM  
I have to agree with Nkosika, Hrmpw, Rapier and a few others at the end of the posts. Those are intelligent, and freedom loving ideas. It makes complete sense what they are saying, the arguments against them doing this out weights the lonely few that are for this. People who want this or think this is a good idea should really ask themselves, why do I think other people should have to do this? Why can't this be something that people could do on their own time, why does it need to be pushed? Why do I need everybody to conform? It takes a lot of courage to go against the grain, and that is what they are doing. Bravo.
2001-10-24 07:14:58 PM  
2001-10-24 07:26:35 PM  

I go to work to ply my trade and recieve compensation for my hard work. My work isn't forced on others and I only recieve payment because folks in our free society and others find what I do to be valuable. Thats freedom -- not sheeptitudosity.

If you don't stop for red lights you can get cause a freekin accident with all the associated blood, death and so on. Theres a reason for the lights and it can be understood pretty easily.

I didn't yell when asked for moments of silence for whatever reason -- because they ASKED. If I was forced (by the friggin law no less) to observe a moment of silence I'd start singing some gwar lyrics at the bastids. See how they like "Crack in the Egg" screamin back at em.

At baseball games I can choose to sit on my ass eating a hotdog while everyone else hums the anthem. Its my prerogative.

However, you are legally obligated to swear to tell the truth in our legal system -- but it doesn't necessarily have to be the bible that you swear upon. You are also required to sit still and shut up when the teachers rambling about some edumacational topic (thanks Bush ;)). Its understood that you have to be forced into certain behavior for your own good at times -- but the national anthem is NOT one of those things. I love this country, distrust greatly those in power, and don't give two farks for politicos with nothing better to do than make bullshiat new laws like this one. A free society is one that strives to have fewer laws -- supporting the creation of trivial crap like this DOES degrade our liberties - not dramatically - but by papercuts.

shiat -- i rant too much. I need beer. Cheers all.
2001-10-24 07:58:27 PM  
Nice Nordolio!
2001-10-24 08:10:37 PM  
farking yes goodtimes, but me thinks that dis thread has gotten old. Time to move on to other threads to enflame with my satanic powers!!!fark YESSS, JESUS LOVES DILDOES!!!

Gorilla cock eaters
2001-10-24 09:50:14 PM  
If you think you can live somewhere on this planet without having to pledge your allegiance to something, move to that place. You are likely to be awfully lonely.

I'm just glad I do not have to pledge allegiance to the Taliban.

(Get a grip. It's just a promise to be a dutiful citizen. Oh, and that "under God" part was added later, and is optional.)
2001-10-24 10:16:01 PM  
i must have the last word,

jizz blasting ass farking coconuts
2001-10-24 10:33:51 PM  
i used the traffic light, to show you the invisible collars around the peoples neck who thought they were not sheep. meaning, sure, your free, but under controlled enviroments(a law saying you can't move until the light turns green)Interesting
"At baseball games I CAN choose to sit on my ass eating a hotdog while everyone else hums the anthem." but do you? i bet not. the way everyone is writing here, is that when ever the govt makes a law, it's time to rebel it, just because there an authority figure. this thread keeps on talking about religion and how it's says the word "god", it never says what god, of what religion. But i'm an atheist kel. well then don't say anything. just stand for 40 there for seconds. if the govt. passed a law to breathe, i swear you people would hold your breathe just to spite them, while writing on a pad of paper(turning blue in the face)about your constitutional rights, and how you can tell us what to do.-----"On the contrary, I think everyone is arguing that we should also respect what they fought for - freedom"(but he's where you people fly off the handle, the freedom they fought for is not so every time a silly law like-you must not leave your trash cans down past pick up day, or if grass gets to long you must cut it, and you must stand for 40 seconds(mind you you don't have to say anything just stand there)you can refuse to obey it(that's illegal) they fought for the freedom of democracy, for a majority to choose what is good for this nation(if don't like the laws, tuff shiat, but don't break them, turn off the computer go out in the world and become a polition, and don't let these said laws go through).---If you fought for something would you rather have respect for that from people who willing respected you or from people who were forced to respect you?(by standing up for 40 seconds were not forcing a kid to respect anyone, if doesn't want to, the though police won't have monitor on kids to see who's not being respectful)(it just gives a kid some time to think about how good he/she has it, and how come he/she has it!)i think the issue of wearing uniforms is ten times the issue this article was(a law telling you that you have to wear what they say)this country revolves on controversy and has completly lost interest in morals(by the way i am not religious)were this is yet another blow to a long standing traditions that was pasted down from year to year to enstill a sense of pride into someone. when i am dead gone 200 years from now, i beleive that this country will be in a complete shiat-house, because of every law will have been picked apart, and you will have to survior like in the old west days, all because little things like this 40 second standing up law unraveled the most common bond between americans.(and no one will have respect for anyone)
2001-10-24 11:04:20 PM  
No way will my son be forced to pay mouth service to this "god" character. It seems the current conditions have reduced "freedom" to a buzzword having little in common with its actual meaning.
And as a libertarian, i support ALL the freedoms guaranteed by the consititution - not just the 2nd amendment. Freedom means having the right to bear arms; it also means having the right not to be patriotic. fark all the right wingers who choose to ignore any amendment that doesn't cater to their views.
You stick a flag on your car - i'll fly the constitution on mine.
2001-10-24 11:08:59 PM  
I havent read the this thread and I dont give a fark - I'll stand up put my hand on my cock and pledge an alliegence to beer boobies and good sex.
2001-10-24 11:14:44 PM  
These are my colors of my hood.
My homies run things here.
These are my peeps.
We tight.
It's all good.

(There's your damned Pledge of Allegiance. Was that translation too hard for you to understand? Do I need to call the 'waaahmbulance' for you?)
2001-10-24 11:23:05 PM  
Is anyone else noticing a pattern here?

The anti-mandatory patriotism posts are generally well-written and make sense. They even use grammar and punctuation.

The opposing posts generally make no sense at all to anyone.
2001-10-24 11:26:25 PM  
2001-10-24 11:26:36 PM  
Or, perhaps:

These are the colors of my gang.
We run this hood.
These are our peeps.
We all tight.
It's all good.
2001-10-24 11:27:02 PM  
2001-10-24 11:28:32 PM  
What about

Dis is my crib
des are my homies
yo dont belong ere
bang bang
2001-10-24 11:28:44 PM  

I'm certainly not for mandatory anything.
On the other hand, if you cannot promise to be a good citizen, I am not sure I want you in MY country.
2001-10-24 11:29:51 PM  
No, Mr Happy.
Try a serious, phrase by phrase translation into any colloquial language.
2001-10-24 11:36:10 PM  
Like this?

This is my favourite color
we like things done capatalistically round here
this is my father brother sister mother child wife cousin aunt uncle sister boyfriends mothers cats owner
We like each other kind of
Its all good I spose
2001-10-24 11:42:46 PM  
"You're . . mocking me."
(Toy Story)
2001-10-24 11:50:28 PM  
ME?!? Neva.
2001-10-24 11:51:57 PM  
oh yeah and Nanookanano nice fark acount number!
2001-10-24 11:55:31 PM  
I got here a long time ago.
And I haven't stopped 'talking' since.
2001-10-25 12:03:53 AM  
You got here a bloody long time ago lol
2001-10-25 12:41:18 AM  
So. many. words. So. little. meaning.

Honestly, Kel, I read your rambling 2, no 3 times. AND I CAN'T FIND any, um, POINT (position, thought-process, meaning, take, opinion, 'yeah, that's just me,' understanding, inclination, 'You know I'm sayin,' 'Yo buss diss,' Thus: 'I humbly submit,' 'So there I was at 20,000 feet with nothing between me and the Earth, except a thin blonde' that makes me unnastan what you mean!?!)

I offer you another opportunity to speak clearly your position.

Um, yeah, that big key on the bottom of your keyboard is a, ummm yeah, spacebar. Did you get that memo on the spacebar? I'll make sure you get a copy of the memo on the spacebar, mmm-kay? Yee-ah. Thanks for the stapler.
2001-10-25 01:41:25 AM  
LetTheGoodTimes-tRoll: I think you're missing something -- namely that a green light (for instance) is a signal representing the flow of traffic. If you ignore the signal you're an idiot -- thats not "invisible chains" -- its common sense. Kinda like the invisible chains you wear when you see warning signs of any kind, like the flashing lights for an oncoming train.

So yeah - I still don't get it.

if the govt. passed a law to breathe, i swear you people would hold your breathe just to spite them

Interesting point -- and true. Our representatives are our agents in a collective political process -- i didn't think they fulfill their responsibilities by making bullshiat laws that we * don't * need. Whenever a new law is enacted a new segment of our population becomes law-breakers, and theres no use in setting up a law unles it can be enforced. If sitting down during the pledge of allegiance is going to get you "legally" busted than what are we really doing and teaching here??? And if there is no legal punishment inflicted why make it a freakin law in the first place??

If they want to make a statement -- they should make a "statement" -- not legislate one.

Peace out to all da peeps
We tight.
It's all good.
2001-10-25 01:46:12 AM  
It's probably too late, this thread is mostly dead, but I'd like to say something to the dickweed who deemed it necessary to personally attack me earlier. Sorry I couldn't respond sooner, cumbucket, but I work from 3 to midnight.

Ok. Here we go.

Read Demosthenes's post. You see that oath he's talking about? The one all military members take? Yeah. I took that oath. And I firmly believe in that oath. I will fight to the death to defend this country and its Constitution. Does the oath say anything about the people? Nope. I never swore to protect you. I protect your home. I love America. I think it's truly a great nation. The greatest, natch. But I hate americans. And that's not a crime.

But all that is a moot point. Maybe next time in my bio I'll put in a SARCASM TAG FOR ALL THE farkING IDIOTS WHOSE HEADS ARE SO FAR UP THIER ASSES, THEY DON'T KNOW A JOKE WHEN THEY SEE IT.

Phew. I'm done.
2001-10-25 02:08:34 AM  
The Pledge of Resistance

I pledge resistance to the flag
Of the United States of America
And to the tyranny for which it stands.
No nations, ever again,
But liberty and Anarchy for all.
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