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2011-05-24 12:21:58 PM
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
2011-05-24 12:22:41 PM
You better buy yours very quickly, because Microsoft is likely to announce they are discontinuing the phone soon afterwards.

The KIN was killed after 6 weeks. This one might just last a bit longer, but don't get your hopes up.
 
2011-05-24 12:23:26 PM
They should just give all the money back to the investors and close that train wreck down.
 
2011-05-24 12:23:32 PM
Snarkyness aside, Win phone 7 is pretty good. Far better than android in a lot of respects. What it lacks are apps.
 
2011-05-24 12:24:23 PM
I'd buy one. The Windows phone I had a few years ago for work was the only smartphone I've ever used that played nice with my Mac and wireless connections.
 
2011-05-24 12:25:10 PM
Hundreds of thousands? Does Microsoft have that many employees?
 
2011-05-24 12:25:10 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com

Really Microsoft? Mango?
 
2011-05-24 12:25:14 PM
Sales expected to be in the hundreds of hundreds dozens

FIFY
 
2011-05-24 12:27:20 PM
...And it'll bluescreenofdeath faster than EVAR!!
 
2011-05-24 12:27:42 PM

God--: Snarkyness aside, Win phone 7 is pretty good. Far better than android in a lot of respects. What it lacks are apps.


There's downsides too all three of the major OS's these days.

Windows phone lacks apps and multitasking (at least until fall) and customizable ringtones
Android lacks Netflix and silly things like an easy way to make your phone vibrate JUST WHEN YOURE GETTING A CALL, which my old Blackberry could do
iOS lacks freedom, removable batteries (since it's only one one set phone, hardware is comparable here)

Then of course, there's still BlackBerry which lacks a real browser and apps
 
2011-05-24 12:30:36 PM

Loki-L: You better buy yours very quickly, because Microsoft is likely to announce they are discontinuing the phone soon afterwards.

The KIN was killed after 6 weeks. This one might just last a bit longer, but don't get your hopes up.


No, the windows phone effort is much more comprehensive and full of effort than the kin. The kin was the precursor, whereas wp7 is part of their ecosystem. It ain't going anywhere. It's Microsoft, when they back something, they back it.

I've got a wp7 (Lg Quantum), and I can tell you that it's fantastic. Yes it's missing some features (I know I can tether using the MFG app, but I'd like an official way), but for the average use, it's amazingly seemless. I don't have to think about my phone for a second. Everything just works. I can text, surf, email, etc. without so much as a blip or even a hint of lag or what have you. I'm looking forward to Mango, but in the meantime I've just got a fantastic device that does everything I want it to.

The problem is that they took wayyyyyy too long to do this. People think Microsoft and cell phone and think of Windows Mobile. Such a horrible and enduring experience, that I don't blame people for not wanting to get a wp7.

But what I don't understand is that people will buy Android, and have a segmented, laggy, faulty device. Android is the new windows mobile, but just prettier. The iPhone and wp7 have that "just works" functionality, yet wp7 is seriously lagging in sales.
 
2011-05-24 12:30:48 PM

God--: Snarkyness aside, Win phone 7 is pretty good. Far better than android in a lot of respects. What it lacks are apps.


Win7 lets you remove crapware without rooting (fark you Amazon App and CityID App, amongst others). I love my Droid Incredible, but I only love it because I rooted it any installed a custom ROM. I have a feeling come upgrade time I'm going to a HTC phone that runs Win7.

/plus Zune is a pretty nice media ecosystem, better than my current "Mount as a Flash Drive and manually move media around" method for sure.
 
2011-05-24 12:33:42 PM

PrivateCaboose:
Android lacks Netflix and silly things like an easy way to make your phone vibrate JUST WHEN YOURE GETTING A CALL


For the life of me I cannot get vibrate when receiving a text to work on my Android. I have it set in the options to both play a tone and vibrate (as I can't hear my message tone when the phone is in my pocket, but can feel the vibration) and it fails every time. Vibrate while ringing works though, so there's that I guess.

I wouldn't mind a W7 phone. My brother has one and it seems like a relatively solid handset. Smooth animation, beautiful screen. Just lacking a few features as of now, and as stated, apps.
 
2011-05-24 12:34:27 PM

PrivateCaboose: Android lacks Netflix


Orly? (new window)
 
2011-05-24 12:36:37 PM

ha-ha-guy: God--: Snarkyness aside, Win phone 7 is pretty good. Far better than android in a lot of respects. What it lacks are apps.

Win7 lets you remove crapware without rooting (fark you Amazon App and CityID App, amongst others). I love my Droid Incredible, but I only love it because I rooted it any installed a custom ROM. I have a feeling come upgrade time I'm going to a HTC phone that runs Win7.

/plus Zune is a pretty nice media ecosystem, better than my current "Mount as a Flash Drive and manually move media around" method for sure.


That as well. I rooted my Android phone just to get rid of that CityID, Amazon, Facebook, Myspace, and all the other bloatware that Verizon pushed out with the phone.

I also have a 120GB Zune, so already use their software (which isn't bad, but the shuffle rate on the songs in the software sucks). It just makes sense to me to get a phone that uses the same interface.
 
2011-05-24 12:37:08 PM

I am Ahab: PrivateCaboose: Android lacks Netflix

Orly? (new window)


I think he means that it is not widely available on all phones (without rooting).
 
2011-05-24 12:44:44 PM

I am Ahab: PrivateCaboose: Android lacks Netflix

Orly? (new window)


Not available on my Atrix. So if you like HTC (I don't) or you shelled out for the non-contracted Nexus, sure, you've got Android.

But those are hardly representative of ALL Android phones.

ALL Windows phones have Netflix.
 
2011-05-24 12:46:00 PM
I am forced to use one for work, and I can't even begin to list the problems with it:

- Frequent crashes
- An "end call" button on the phone right where your ear rests against the phone
- Poor touchscreen responsiveness
- Poor keyboard
- Awful rotational attitude control
- Microsoft's regular "helpful" UI that makes it fives times more difficult to do simple things such as filing messages.
- Lack of any real customization on the UI.

... it goes on and on.
 
2011-05-24 12:46:04 PM

paygun: Hundreds of thousands? Does Microsoft have that many employees?


dot net developers.
 
2011-05-24 12:46:20 PM
I reckon Microsoft would benefit from a more Apple approach to the phone market, than a Google approach. Google have made Android easy to put on phones so phones with Android become as ubiquitous as PCs with Windows. Apple have their marketing and adoring fan base, what Microsoft needs to do is have a single great phone - comparable to the iPhone or best Android handset, which encourages elitism, which makes people think their phone is special, which is good, and target it to a specific user section, maybe business types, who can have their phone completely integrated with their office.

Yes everything like that can already be done, but the average user out there doesn't think so. Apple and Android users argue over who has the better phone because of what it can do when in nearly every instance both mobile operating systems are capable of whatever act is in question.

Business folk either think they need a Blackberry because they heard somewhere that they're great for business users, or they get given one because the tech people once thought they were great for business folk so buy them for everyone. Given how useless Blackberries are it shouldn't be too hard to outdo them and steal that customer base.

If they could just make a great phone that's not only wonderfully useful, but also elegantly designed they could capture a market, anyone could if they have the resources that Microsoft have. Trouble MS keep screwing up, and that angry shouty man doesn't help.
 
2011-05-24 12:46:45 PM
A freind of mine has a Windows 7 phone and really likes it.
 
2011-05-24 12:50:16 PM

sure haven't: Loki-L: You better buy yours very quickly, because Microsoft is likely to announce they are discontinuing the phone soon afterwards.

The KIN was killed after 6 weeks. This one might just last a bit longer, but don't get your hopes up.

No, the windows phone effort is much more comprehensive and full of effort than the kin. The kin was the precursor, whereas wp7 is part of their ecosystem. It ain't going anywhere. It's Microsoft, when they back something, they back it.


When Microsoft backs something they back it for a limited amount of time and then they proceed to stab their customers and partners in the back to be able to sell something else.

Their efforts to get people to switch to a newer OS or Browser are one thing, but does anyone remember PlaysForSure? It was supposed to be Microsoft's version of iTunes. You could buy music and it would play not just on Windows MediaPlayer but also on all MP3 players with the Plays4Sure logo. A lot of customers and manufacturer bought into it thinking Microsoft would back their own idea. And they did... until they released ZUNE which was of course incompatible with plays4sure.

Microsoft can and will drop any product that doesn't make enough money for them leaving the poor idiots who bought into it holding the ball.
 
2011-05-24 12:52:21 PM
The more I see of Win Phone 7, the more I like it. iPhone is attractive for my next phone, but I'm just not sure if I want to do things the Apple Way (if you do, Apple stuff is great, if not, their attitude is "fark you running"). Android is losing my interest rapidly. The manufacturers and carriers love locking down the phones and then not supporting them with updates. I'm kinda tired of that way of doing things.

I can see me going Win Phone come fall.
 
2011-05-24 12:54:03 PM
People still read Gizmodo?
 
2011-05-24 12:54:07 PM
After switching to Linux at home and android for mobile there is a snowballs chance in hell that I will ever go back to any horrid Microsoft product. And even less chance of going back to windows in a mobile application. I can deal without a horrible slow crippled device thank you very much. The xv6800 broke me from sucking MS egg. I don't care how much hype they surround it with its windows thus hideous.
 
2011-05-24 12:57:03 PM

akula: The more I see of Win Phone 7, the more I like it. iPhone is attractive for my next phone, but I'm just not sure if I want to do things the Apple Way (if you do, Apple stuff is great, if not, their attitude is "fark you running"). Android is losing my interest rapidly. The manufacturers and carriers love locking down the phones and then not supporting them with updates. I'm kinda tired of that way of doing things.

I can see me going Win Phone come fall.


When I played around with the Focus I was pretty impressed, but the lack of customizable ringtones (WTF?) and no multitasking were dealbreakers for me. Other than that, I was a fan of the UI and the hardware.
 
2011-05-24 12:58:57 PM
I rather like my HTC HD 7. Looking forward to getting this update.
 
2011-05-24 01:00:55 PM

superoogie: I am forced to use one for work, and I can't even begin to list the problems with it:

- Frequent crashes
- An "end call" button on the phone right where your ear rests against the phone
- Poor touchscreen responsiveness
- Poor keyboard
- Awful rotational attitude control
- Microsoft's regular "helpful" UI that makes it fives times more difficult to do simple things such as filing messages.
- Lack of any real customization on the UI.

... it goes on and on.


- ??? Which model do you have? I think you sould send it in, one of the pluses of this OS is that it never crashed. Well mine has crashed once, and I've had it since January
- Again, I think you have a faulty device cause the light sensor is supposed to turn off the screen when it's near your ear. Mine works flawlessly, I've never had an issue with that.
- Yeah, you've got a faulty device
- the wp7 keyboard is touted as one of the best ever so far on mobile devices, be more specific. Do you not like how fast it is? How great the auto-correct is?
- It's a drag if you're laying down trying to surf or something and it changes yeah, but it seems pretty responsive to me
- What do you mean "filing" things? In what capacity? Do you know that you can touch to the left of the message and it will bring up a toggle list where can select several at once?
- Well it's more customizable than the iPhone, but no, it's not like Android or windows mobile. Hasn't been a big deal to me. In fact, I found when my options were too open, it was frustrating cause I didn't know which one to go with. I'm a little OCD about it all, so a locked down UI is fine with me.

But yeah, overall it sounds like you have a broken device. I'd send it in.
 
2011-05-24 01:04:09 PM
PrivateCaboose:
Android lacks...an easy way to make your phone vibrate JUST WHEN YOURE GETTING A CALL, which my old Blackberry could do

Go into the settings for the specific app(s) that are vibrating and disable it vibration. Easy enough.
 
2011-05-24 01:07:24 PM

Loki-L: sure haven't: Loki-L: You better buy yours very quickly, because Microsoft is likely to announce they are discontinuing the phone soon afterwards.

The KIN was killed after 6 weeks. This one might just last a bit longer, but don't get your hopes up.

No, the windows phone effort is much more comprehensive and full of effort than the kin. The kin was the precursor, whereas wp7 is part of their ecosystem. It ain't going anywhere. It's Microsoft, when they back something, they back it.

When Microsoft backs something they back it for a limited amount of time and then they proceed to stab their customers and partners in the back to be able to sell something else.

Their efforts to get people to switch to a newer OS or Browser are one thing, but does anyone remember PlaysForSure? It was supposed to be Microsoft's version of iTunes. You could buy music and it would play not just on Windows MediaPlayer but also on all MP3 players with the Plays4Sure logo. A lot of customers and manufacturer bought into it thinking Microsoft would back their own idea. And they did... until they released ZUNE which was of course incompatible with plays4sure.

Microsoft can and will drop any product that doesn't make enough money for them leaving the poor idiots who bought into it holding the ball.


I honestly don't remember that, but I have no reason to disbelieve it.

To counter that though, I seem to remember hearing that Microsoft never made money on the original xbox, but Gates wanted to stick with it just to be in the game?

Just with the push they're giving wp7, the rate that the market is increasing, etc, it's just not logical to back out of the windows phone idea. Even the name of it is completely their flagship software. What would be next? They've already taken the main name as the name of the device, nothing else would be as 'native' to Microsoft.
 
2011-05-24 01:07:25 PM

Gene Sehrt: PrivateCaboose:
Android lacks...an easy way to make your phone vibrate JUST WHEN YOURE GETTING A CALL, which my old Blackberry could do

Go into the settings for the specific app(s) that are vibrating and disable it vibration. Easy enough.


This, but it would be nice if there were a central place to control notifications instead of having to hunt through every app that has that functionality.
 
2011-05-24 01:08:35 PM

- the wp7 keyboard is touted as one of the best ever so far on mobile devices, be more specific. Do you not like how fast it is? How great the auto-correct is?


Heh, that is surely his complaint! "GOD DAMN IT! I am trying to misspell words but this auto-correct is too damned great!"
 
2011-05-24 01:10:45 PM
True story, bro...

I was at TechEd last week. At one point I was in a session with probably like 300 other geeks, and the presenter was finally getting around to making his mandatory mention of how whatever product the session was on ties in so nicely to Windows Phone 7. He asked for a show of hands, how many people had one?

Like 3 hands went up.

It really struck me. It wasn't just a shy/bored crowd; I didn't see a single Windows Phone being carried around by anyone that wasn't wearing a blue or green presenter shirt. I mean, this is TechEd, just about as far into the belly of the beast as you can go without buying a plane ticket to Redmond. It's not exactly fanboy central or anything, but if you're there, you use, rely on, support, and/or develop for Microsoft products on a daily basis. And Microsoft can't even sell to these people. What hope do they ever have in prying the iPhones and Androids out of Joe Consumer's hands? They could leave boxes of them lying in the streets at this point, and still be a distant third.
 
2011-05-24 01:11:41 PM

superoogie: I am forced to use one for work, and I can't even begin to list the problems with it:

- Frequent crashes
- An "end call" button on the phone right where your ear rests against the phone
- Poor touchscreen responsiveness
- Poor keyboard
- Awful rotational attitude control
- Microsoft's regular "helpful" UI that makes it fives times more difficult to do simple things such as filing messages.
- Lack of any real customization on the UI.

... it goes on and on.


Which phone do you have? The Samsung Focus's touchscreen turns off then you put an object (such as your face) up next to it. In fact, with my Focus I don't experience any of your problems except the customization of the UI, which isn't a terribly huge deal to me.

The only things that bug me are, as others have stated, the lack of multitasking and the lack of custom ringtones. The "OOO SHINY" factor, the knowledge that the updates for those were coming, and the fact that I already used the Zune software were enough to convince me to buy one.

I've never liked HTC or LG phones, so getting the Samsung out of the 3 launch models was a no brainer to me. the absolutely gorgeous 4 inch AMOLED was just an added bonus.
 
2011-05-24 01:11:42 PM

redpanda2: Gene Sehrt: PrivateCaboose:
Android lacks...an easy way to make your phone vibrate JUST WHEN YOURE GETTING A CALL, which my old Blackberry could do

Go into the settings for the specific app(s) that are vibrating and disable it vibration. Easy enough.

This, but it would be nice if there were a central place to control notifications instead of having to hunt through every app that has that functionality.


That's more my point. It's cumbersome. On my BlackBerry it was centrally located and super easy to mess with, plus I had 5 different themes to mess around with, and I could turn it all on silent right from the home screen.

Cmon, Android - these are easy fixes.
 
2011-05-24 01:21:17 PM

neritz: I am Ahab: PrivateCaboose: Android lacks Netflix

Orly? (new window)

I think he means that it is not widely available on all phones (without rooting).


Yeah, but they're working on it- so I have no problem with that. Plus, all you're missing is streaming instant movies. There are already a ton of third-party apps that let you adjust your queues... which is all I care about anyway.
 
2011-05-24 01:22:39 PM
Remember when MS entered the console market with the Xbox, and people were all like, "You're never gonna catch up with the PS2 and (whichever Nintendo system it was at the time, N64?)!". Yet now the 360 is widely accepted as a valid gaming device.

I see this as a similar situation, as both android and iOS have a significant head start in the phone market, but if Microsoft really wants in, I can see them eventually shouldering in with the big boys. It might take awhile, though.

I will tell you this: It's WP7 or iOS 5 for my next phone; the fragmentation of android has soured that OS for me.
 
2011-05-24 01:23:34 PM
As someone who doesn't mind Microsoft products and has owned a Windows Phone 6.0 and 6.5, I can't imagine anyone now buying one with what an Android or iPhone offers.
 
2011-05-24 01:23:38 PM
Shipments expected to be in the hundreds of hundreds.
Sales expected to be in the hundreds of tens.

/ftfy
 
2011-05-24 01:24:41 PM

superoogie: An "end call" button on the phone right where your ear rests against the phone


Ha! My Windows Mobile 6 phone had that issue. Hung up on about 25% of calls. Glad my Droid X now has the end call as a touchscreen button that can't be triggered by your cheek or whatever. Duh!
 
2011-05-24 01:30:54 PM

jayhawk88: It's not exactly fanboy central or anything, but if you're there, you use, rely on, support, and/or develop for Microsoft products on a daily basis. And Microsoft can't even sell to these people. What hope do they ever have in prying the iPhones and Androids out of Joe Consumer's hands? They could leave boxes of them lying in the streets at this point, and still be a distant third.


To be fair, it's been leaked that Windows development takes place on Apple and Linux machines as well as their own OS. I think it's very common for support to have something different than their user base.
 
2011-05-24 01:34:14 PM

downstairs: neritz: I am Ahab: PrivateCaboose: Android lacks Netflix

Orly? (new window)

I think he means that it is not widely available on all phones (without rooting).

Yeah, but they're working on it- so I have no problem with that. Plus, all you're missing is streaming instant movies. There are already a ton of third-party apps that let you adjust your queues... which is all I care about anyway.


Ah. I find this is something that uniquely affects people who commute sans-car. I make good use of my HBOGo app and I would love to have streaming Netflix while I'm waiting for the Metro.
 
2011-05-24 01:35:58 PM

PrivateCaboose: Ah. I find this is something that uniquely affects people who commute sans-car. I make good use of my HBOGo app and I would love to have streaming Netflix while I'm waiting for the Metro


Sure. I just personally can't watch a full movie on a phone, ever. Just not my thing... but I've seen the quality and it is kick ass.
 
2011-05-24 01:43:27 PM
STOP SAYING ECOSYSTEM!
 
2011-05-24 02:02:10 PM
All I want is a smartphone with no data plan. There's a new phone coming out every other day, yet the cell plans you need to be on never change.

Why can't I buy a smartphone and only use the data over wifi? Sort of like an ipod Touch with a phone. I understand that Verizon et al. make money on the subscriptions, but I'd be willing to by the phone outright.

I just want a smartphone on the Verizon network that doesn't have a $30+/month data fee.
 
2011-05-24 02:06:32 PM

farknozzle: Remember when MS entered the console market with the Xbox, and people were all like, "You're never gonna catch up with the PS2 and (whichever Nintendo system it was at the time, N64?)!". Yet now the 360 is widely accepted as a valid gaming device.

I see this as a similar situation, as both android and iOS have a significant head start in the phone market, but if Microsoft really wants in, I can see them eventually shouldering in with the big boys. It might take awhile, though.

I will tell you this: It's WP7 or iOS 5 for my next phone; the fragmentation of android has soured that OS for me.


You really are a farknozzle. Microsoft isn't new to the mobile market. They've been in phones before there was an iOS or an Android. If you want to white knight Microsoft, go ahead. Don't act like they are a new player. They lost market share with a series of crappy phone OSs.
 
2011-05-24 02:10:15 PM

lippenhoffer: All I want is a smartphone with no data plan. There's a new phone coming out every other day, yet the cell plans you need to be on never change.

Why can't I buy a smartphone and only use the data over wifi? Sort of like an ipod Touch with a phone. I understand that Verizon et al. make money on the subscriptions, but I'd be willing to by the phone outright.

I just want a smartphone on the Verizon network that doesn't have a $30+/month data fee.


This is why I have an ipod touch and a bare-bones phone.
 
2011-05-24 02:16:25 PM
Love my Samsung Focus
 
2011-05-24 02:20:34 PM
My year with a droid incredible has convinced me that my next phone will be either be a windows phone or iPhone, unless something major changes.
 
2011-05-24 02:22:42 PM

YixilTesiphon: lippenhoffer: All I want is a smartphone with no data plan. There's a new phone coming out every other day, yet the cell plans you need to be on never change.

Why can't I buy a smartphone and only use the data over wifi? Sort of like an ipod Touch with a phone. I understand that Verizon et al. make money on the subscriptions, but I'd be willing to by the phone outright.

I just want a smartphone on the Verizon network that doesn't have a $30+/month data fee.

This is why I have an ipod touch and a bare-bones phone.


I'd rather have one device to charge, carry and all that. I'm sure you can appreciate the desire to consolidate.
 
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