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(Washington Post)   Washington Post article explores the reason we're having so many devastating F4 and F5 tornadoes this year; makes it 11 paragraphs before mentioning "climate change"   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 267
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2011-05-24 11:05:23 AM  
Obviously, it's not climate change schmimate change, it's JESUS. JESUS is killing all these people from the heartland because he wants them to RISE UP AND SLAUGHTER all of those crazy sinners in the cities!

JESUS.

. . .

Yeah, JESUS!

/all liberals and scientists are evil liars who hate God.
 
2011-05-24 11:31:35 AM  
Even if tornado activity remains constant. Building more and more buildings and houses in more and more places will increase the interaction/destruction.

The increase in interaction is therefore anthropogenic regardless of whether the climate is changing or not.

/thinks climate is also changing
 
2011-05-24 11:46:51 AM  

mrshowrules: Even if tornado activity remains constant. Building more and more buildings and houses in more and more places will increase the interaction/destruction.

The increase in interaction is therefore anthropogenic regardless of whether the climate is changing or not.

/thinks climate is also changing


So this increase can't possibly be both?
 
2011-05-24 12:01:48 PM  

Ryan2065: mrshowrules: Even if tornado activity remains constant. Building more and more buildings and houses in more and more places will increase the interaction/destruction.

The increase in interaction is therefore anthropogenic regardless of whether the climate is changing or not.

/thinks climate is also changing

So this increase can't possibly be both?


I think it is both. Certainly the spread of population is a no brainer. The increased interaction is a no brainer.

Is Global warming increasing tornadoes also? You would expect weather pattern changes from global warming. Less tornadoes in some areas and more in others. However, like polar bears, I don't think tornadoes are a good argument against AGW. The science is too soft.

Drought, disease, temperature of environments, migration, flooding of low lying areas are much more compelling reasons to deal with AGW IMHO.
 
Ral
2011-05-24 12:12:35 PM  
Headline almost made my Red Bull go down the wrong way. +1 subby.
 
2011-05-24 12:13:02 PM  
Tornadoes!?!?! You know who's responsible for that, don't ya? The JEWS!
 
Ral
2011-05-24 12:14:12 PM  

SphericalTime: Obviously, it's not climate change schmimate change, it's JESUS. JESUS is killing all these people from the heartland because he wants them to RISE UP AND SLAUGHTER all of those crazy sinners in the cities!

JESUS.

. . .

Yeah, JESUS!

/all liberals and scientists are evil liars who hate God.


We already know that the Christian God is a wrathful god. This sort of dick move is not surprising.
 
2011-05-24 12:14:16 PM  
Woooo! Climate change thread! Denier-derp is fun to read.
 
2011-05-24 12:14:28 PM  
Perhaps it's just because they happen to be passing through populated areas this year. mrshowrules seems to have it covered.
 
2011-05-24 12:16:27 PM  
starphoenixbase.com
 
2011-05-24 12:17:25 PM  
Climate change is a plot to destroy capitalism. They buried it 11 paragraphs in hoping no one would notice. Damn libtard MSM media!
 
2011-05-24 12:18:34 PM  

Jake Havechek: Tornadoes!?!?! You know who's responsible for that, don't ya? The JEWS!


0/10
 
2011-05-24 12:18:41 PM  
Washington Post article explores the reason we're having so many devastating earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, F4 and F5 tornadoes, etc.
That's easy
awakening.holisticdialogues.com
 
2011-05-24 12:19:07 PM  
I find F5 tornadoes refreshing.
 
2011-05-24 12:19:18 PM  

canyoneer: Perhaps it's just because they happen to be passing through populated areas this year.


Like usual, you are wrong (new window)
 
2011-05-24 12:20:17 PM  

Ral: Headline almost made my Red Bull go down the wrong way. +1 subby.


There's a right way?
 
2011-05-24 12:20:37 PM  
RALEIGH - Police arrested four men Tuesday and charged them with looting a business badly damaged Saturday by tornadoes.
 
2011-05-24 12:21:29 PM  
The argument for climate change/global warming/et al is strikingly similar to the argument for God.

/not taking sides for either, just pointing it out
 
2011-05-24 12:23:19 PM  

canyoneer: Perhaps it's just because they happen to be passing through populated areas this year. mrshowrules seems to have it covered.


"You're going to die out. You know that."

www.naderlibrary.com
 
2011-05-24 12:23:54 PM  
If it happens on planet earth, it's evidence of climate change.
 
2011-05-24 12:24:02 PM  

Land Ark: The argument for climate change/global warming/et al is strikingly similar to the argument for God.

/not taking sides for either, just pointing it out


What, you mean there is evidence and empirical measurements that point to the existence of god?
 
2011-05-24 12:24:36 PM  

Foaming: I find F5 tornadoes refreshing.


nearly made me ctrl-alt-delete
 
2011-05-24 12:24:55 PM  
Oh god, are we going to hear about tornadoes this year like we did earthquakes two years ago?
 
2011-05-24 12:25:33 PM  
i1228.photobucket.com
 
2011-05-24 12:25:52 PM  

RexTalionis: Land Ark: The argument for climate change/global warming/et al is strikingly similar to the argument for God.

/not taking sides for either, just pointing it out

What, you mean there is evidence and empirical measurements that point to the existence of god?


Yes, tons of it. But none of it is online. Can we interest you in a trip to Salt Lake City?
 
2011-05-24 12:26:06 PM  
ΔG = ΔH - T * ΔS

To be fair, factors such as the increase in Gibbs free energy aggravate extremes and shift weather patterns at all levels. The default position should be that any/every particular event is already affected.
 
2011-05-24 12:26:09 PM  
In a severe lightning storm, you wanna grab your ankles and stick your butt in the air.
 
2011-05-24 12:27:22 PM  
killerkas

The old adage, "it's too cold to snow", has some truth to it, and there is research supporting the idea that the average climate in the U.S. is colder than optimal to support the heaviest snowstorms. For example, Changnon et al. (2006) found that for the contiguous U.S. between 1900 - 2001, 61% - 80% of all heavy snowstorms of 6+ inches occurred during winters with above normal temperatures. The authors also found that 61% - 85% of all heavy snowstorms of 6+ inches occurred during winters that were wetter than average. The authors conclude, "a future with wetter and warmer winters, which is one outcome expected (National Assessment Synthesis Team 2001), will bring more heavy snowstorms of 6+ inches than in 1901 - 2000." The authors found that over the U.S. as a whole, there had been a slight but significant increase in heavy snowstorms of 6+ inches than in 1901 - 2000. If the climate continues to warm, we should expect an increase in heavy snow events for a few decades, until the climate grows so warm that we pass the point where winter temperatures are at the optimum for heavy snow events.
 
2011-05-24 12:27:29 PM  
I've heard these "scientists" talk about tornadoes all the time, but I've never seen one and I live LA so you know I've seen everything. These meteorologists want us to believe in tornadoes, but they can't even tell you if it's going to rain tomorrow. You don't have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
 
2011-05-24 12:27:36 PM  

Jake Havechek: In a severe lightning storm, you wanna grab your ankles and stick your butt in the air.


Only if you want your dirt chute welded shut!
 
2011-05-24 12:27:43 PM  

Hollie Maea: Like usual, you are wrong (new window)


Incomplete data is incomplete. By the end of the season, it could be a normal or even below normal year for tornado occurence.

And you'll note the headline contained the phrase "devastating F4 and F5 tornadoes." Is there any indication that there are more F4 and F5 tornadoes than usual this year? And explian why a tornado might be "devastating" as opposed to "not devastating." Tornadoes that don't hit anything are not devastating.

As usual, you're full of sh*t.
 
2011-05-24 12:28:00 PM  
That's because a year on year change is unlikely to be solely attributable to climate change.

A decade on decade change is more likely, but you really need a couple of 25 or 40 year solar cycles to definitively say this was climate change and not something else.

I completely believe in manmade climate change, but we gotta keep our science solid.
 
2011-05-24 12:28:16 PM  

paygun: If it happens on planet earth, it's evidence of climate change.


Solar winds come from where?
 
2011-05-24 12:28:41 PM  

Krymson Tyde: Washington Post article explores the reason we're having so many devastating earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, F4 and F5 tornadoes, etc.
That's easy


That's a big Oreo.
 
2011-05-24 12:30:46 PM  
Because a meteorological event which every reputable climate researcher in the world agrees may exacerbate extremes in existing weather patterns should not at all be considered as a possible contributing factor to extreme weather.
 
2011-05-24 12:30:56 PM  
I would assume part of living in 'tornado alley' are the GODDAMN TORNADOS.
 
2011-05-24 12:31:09 PM  

RexTalionis: Land Ark: The argument for climate change/global warming/et al is strikingly similar to the argument for God.

/not taking sides for either, just pointing it out

What, you mean there is evidence and empirical measurements that point to the existence of god?


Don't fall for the obvi-troll my hindu friend.
 
2011-05-24 12:31:42 PM  
This biatch right here. Like alcohol, she's the cause of and the solution to all of life's problems

mostodd.files.wordpress.com
 
2011-05-24 12:31:48 PM  
Yes, but what about F11 earthquakes?
 
2011-05-24 12:31:51 PM  
Yes, we are responsible for what seems to be repeat episodes of tornadoes; however, the cause is NOT global warming.

It is bad computer skills.

F5 is REFRESH. Just had a tornado? Hit F5 and guess what happens again? F4 ain't going to do squat until you press it simultaneously with ALT.

/proper use of a semicolon so suck it!
 
2011-05-24 12:32:36 PM  

Wadded Beef: Woooo! Climate change thread! Denier-derp is fun to read.


And someone said "derp" by the 8th post.

Winners of the pool may come collect your winnings.
 
2011-05-24 12:32:55 PM  

RexTalionis: Land Ark: The argument for climate change/global warming/et al is strikingly similar to the argument for God.

/not taking sides for either, just pointing it out

What, you mean there is evidence and empirical measurements that point to the existence of god so many devastating F4 and F5 tornadoes this year being caused by AGW?

 
2011-05-24 12:34:00 PM  
Is it just me, or is there a bit of an algor in this thread?
 
2011-05-24 12:34:06 PM  

K3rmy: Yes, we are responsible for what seems to be repeat episodes of tornadoes; however, the cause is NOT global warming.

It is bad computer skills.

F5 is REFRESH. Just had a tornado? Hit F5 and guess what happens again? F4 ain't going to do squat until you press it simultaneously with CTRL+ALT.

/proper use of a semicolon so suck it!

 
2011-05-24 12:34:30 PM  

Foaming: I find F5 tornadoes refreshing.


Brilliant
 
2011-05-24 12:34:53 PM  
I'm not going to say that the client isn't changing. But I am going to say that it doesn't need to be changing for record events to occur. Every time a 100 year record is broken and someone says "see? climate change!" I think, "well what the hell happened 100 years ago when the record was first set then?"

This most recent tornado outbreak was bad, but we had one in the 70s too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Outbreak

Maybe this will end up being the worst year for tornados on record. But that doesn't necessarily mean anything other than it was a crappy, unlucky year.
 
2011-05-24 12:35:58 PM  
A longer season, an earlier season, and more F5 1/2-1 mile wider's is correlated with spring following a la nina year, which is in effect this year.

With that said, Climate change has said to expect more la nina years due to increasing temperature gradients.
 
2011-05-24 12:36:58 PM  

RexTalionis: Land Ark: The argument for climate change/global warming/et al is strikingly similar to the argument for God.

/not taking sides for either, just pointing it out

What, you mean there is evidence and empirical measurements that point to the existence of god?


statistical manipulation is not evidence. Tree ring density stopped correlating with temps, so the lying scientits just left the data out and fooled the warmers, like you obviously.
 
2011-05-24 12:42:18 PM  
In 1976, I pulled an F5 on subby's mom in the back of a Toronado a Frampton show.
 
2011-05-24 12:43:07 PM  

canyoneer: Hollie Maea: Like usual, you are wrong (new window)

Incomplete data is incomplete. By the end of the season, it could be a normal or even below normal year for tornado occurence.

And you'll note the headline contained the phrase "devastating F4 and F5 tornadoes." Is there any indication that there are more F4 and F5 tornadoes than usual this year? And explian why a tornado might be "devastating" as opposed to "not devastating." Tornadoes that don't hit anything are not devastating.

As usual, you're full of sh*t.


Sorry, you suggested that maybe there haven't been more tornadoes than usual SO FAR THIS YEAR and that maybe just the ones that have occurred happened to hit populated areas. My graph shows that you are wrong, regardless of how many end up occurring by the end of the year.
 
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