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2011-05-23 02:53:41 PM
Explain to me again why we're still subsidizing PBS?
 
2011-05-23 03:01:54 PM

Generation_D: Explain to me again why we're still subsidizing PBS?


Gee maybe if the GOP stopped trying to take all their funding away they wouldn't have to advertise.
 
2011-05-23 03:15:28 PM
I see this as how an impressionable teenager might "experiment" with meth.
 
2011-05-23 03:28:49 PM
There is a difference between "commercials" and underwriter credits.
 
2011-05-23 03:36:46 PM
So, they want to keep people tuned in by inserting ad breaks?

Do they not know how things work?

Breaks in the programming are when people turn the channel.
 
2011-05-23 03:41:43 PM
Two points:

Program content time will remain unchanged at 50 minutes, 10 seconds. PBS says it's objective is to clear away underwriting and promo spots from the beginning and end of programs so that viewers are more likely to see a little of the next program and stay tuned rather than tuning away to catch the start of programs on other channels.

I would rather get all of that out of the way at the beginning than be interrupted throughout the show, but as long as the total content time doesn't change, I'll give it a try. As a regular donor to PBS, though, my tolerance threshold for this will be very, very low, though.

PBS says it's objective

Its. ITS ITS ITS. Jesus.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2011-05-23 03:45:02 PM
This is how commercial television got started. First a program underwriter and next thing you know it's program slices between thick layers of advertisements.

I sometimes wish for a "sleep 7 minutes" button on my car radio for times when only one station has music worth listening to and it's just gone to commercials. (Yes, I know you're superior because you're beyond radio.)
 
2011-05-23 04:45:41 PM

Dinki: Generation_D: Explain to me again why we're still subsidizing PBS?

Gee maybe if the GOP stopped trying to take all their funding away they wouldn't have to advertise.


I think you missed his point.

Anyway, not sure what to think of this... I usually enjoy PBS but it's very hit or miss whether or not the programming will be good whenever I get a chance to tune in.

Pocket Ninja did I do good?
 
2011-05-23 04:47:48 PM
"Do you want to see more commercial programming for products like Polident, Depends, and Boniva? Then call in now. People who donate more than $20 will receive this lovely PBS tote."
 
2011-05-23 04:51:26 PM

Dinki: Generation_D: Explain to me again why we're still subsidizing PBS?

Gee maybe if the GOP stopped trying to take all their funding away they wouldn't have to advertise.


They already advertise. Don't believe it? What some of the stuff after the credits on the precious snowflake shows.

if that ain't a sponsored ad, I don't know what is

prostitution is, after all, prostitution no matter how it is practiced
 
2011-05-23 05:10:16 PM

SouthernManDunWrong: Dinki: Generation_D: Explain to me again why we're still subsidizing PBS?

Gee maybe if the GOP stopped trying to take all their funding away they wouldn't have to advertise.

They already advertise. Don't believe it? What some of the stuff after the credits on the precious snowflake shows.

if that ain't a sponsored ad, I don't know what is

prostitution is, after all, prostitution no matter how it is practiced


The difference between advertising sponsors on PBS and a station like, say, ABC is pretty large. I use ABC as an example not just because there are documented cases of the corporation's owner (Disney) helping kill stories critical of Disney, but also like other stations, the ads are frequent and loud. I have no problems with PBS recognizing sponsors as bookends to their programming instead of every 7 minutes.
 
2011-05-23 05:36:56 PM

Generation_D: Explain to me again why we're still subsidizing PBS?


I bet you want the Department of Education shut down, too.
 
2011-05-23 05:42:08 PM

Generation_D: Explain to me again why we're still subsidizing PBS?


Because it's the only intelligent thing worth watching?
 
2011-05-23 05:46:26 PM

Infobahn: Generation_D: Explain to me again why we're still subsidizing PBS?

I bet you want the Department of Education shut down, too.


They should do this and spurn gov'ment financing. That way they wouldn't have to worry about people claiming they are 'biased'

And yes the Dept of Edu should be shut down and it's functions left to the states themselves.
 
2011-05-23 05:58:24 PM
I guess it gives you an opportunity to pee, but I still don't like the idea.
 
2011-05-23 06:06:15 PM

cig-mkr: Generation_D: Explain to me again why we're still subsidizing PBS?

Because it's the only intelligent thing worth watching?


Yeah, look at History, A&E, Bravo, and TLC and tell me that the "free market" is working.
 
2011-05-23 06:07:08 PM
CujoQuarrel 2011-05-23 05:46:26 PM

They should do this and spurn gov'ment financing. That way they wouldn't have to worry about people claiming they are 'biased'

And yes the Dept of Edu should be shut down and it's functions left to the states themselves.


How did the Articles of Confederation work out for America?
 
2011-05-23 06:22:41 PM

UNC_Samurai: cig-mkr: Generation_D: Explain to me again why we're still subsidizing PBS?

Because it's the only intelligent thing worth watching?

Yeah, look at History, A&E, Bravo, and TLC and tell me that the "free market" is working.


Are you implying American Choppers is not quality programing?

Really it's just like Nova, or Frontline just give yourself a lobotomy and you'll never notice the difference.
 
2011-05-23 06:30:37 PM
If they don't do PSAs every other hour for 2-3 months leading up to this, they will have a lot of pissed off people on their hands.
 
2011-05-23 06:35:11 PM
Potty
Breaks
Set up
 
2011-05-23 06:42:44 PM
Let me know when Ow My Balls premieres on PBS.
 
2011-05-23 06:43:45 PM
BROUGHT TO YOU BY CARLS JR.

What a hellscape.
 
2011-05-23 06:50:25 PM

Pants full of macaroni!!: Let me know when Ow My Balls premieres on PBS.


American Masterpieces: Egad, My Testicles!
 
2011-05-23 06:53:57 PM
I wouldn't mind this. I love Antiques Roadshow and Nova, but we don't have cable or a recorder. It sucks having to miss some of the show for a snack or bathroom break.
 
2011-05-23 06:58:56 PM

Big Al: CujoQuarrel 2011-05-23 05:46:26 PM

They should do this and spurn gov'ment financing. That way they wouldn't have to worry about people claiming they are 'biased'

And yes the Dept of Edu should be shut down and it's functions left to the states themselves.


How did the Articles of Confederation work out for America?


Wow. That's a weird stretch.
 
2011-05-23 07:04:02 PM

FireBreathingLiberal: There is a difference between "commercials" and underwriter credits.


and that is...?

/oh, i get it, they aren't as entertaining?
 
2011-05-23 07:05:17 PM
This is exactly why I do not watch TV.
 
2011-05-23 07:09:47 PM
Our local PBS station can be rather dicky with the fundraising. They used to play Celtic Woman specials all day and interrupt those, which was fine, as my desire to watch a Celtic Woman special was nil.

Then, one time, they started to promote the hell out of a Sesame Street marathon. They ran promos for it non-stop. The day arrived, it was rainy, and we had run out of things to do, so I turned on the Sesame Street marathon. The show would run for about ten minutes, and then some bald farker would talk for about fifteen, and so on. It pissed the kids off, which, in turn, pissed me off.
 
2011-05-23 07:11:34 PM
Tell me one completely privately funded broadcast medium that is superior to the CPB or the BBC. Saying it's only about left vs. right is a cop out. There are sources that are objectively superior to others when it comes to news.
 
2011-05-23 07:15:06 PM

CujoQuarrel: Big Al: CujoQuarrel 2011-05-23 05:46:26 PM

They should do this and spurn gov'ment financing. That way they wouldn't have to worry about people claiming they are 'biased'

And yes the Dept of Edu should be shut down and it's functions left to the states themselves.


How did the Articles of Confederation work out for America?

Wow. That's a weird stretch.


Not really, since one of the reasons the Articles failed was because of a weak federal government and bickering between states.
 
2011-05-23 07:18:15 PM

Pants full of macaroni!!: Let me know when Ow My Balls premieres on PBS.


How long did it take TLC, Discovery Channel, Bravo, & History start showing "when things blow up" and "blue collar guys cussing at each other"?
 
2011-05-23 07:24:56 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Pants full of macaroni!!: Let me know when Ow My Balls premieres on PBS.

American Masterpieces: Egad, My Testicles!


Masterpiece Theatre Presents a Cockney classic: Blimey, Me Bollocks!
 
2011-05-23 07:33:13 PM

RandomExcess: This is exactly why I do not watch TV.


I turn on the tv maybe once a week and it takes about 45 minutes before I want to put my fist through it.
 
2011-05-23 07:49:38 PM

hammettman: FirstNationalBastard: Pants full of macaroni!!: Let me know when Ow My Balls premieres on PBS.

American Masterpieces: Egad, My Testicles!

Masterpiece Theatre Presents a Cockney classic: Blimey, Me Bollocks!


...starring Benny Hill?
 
2011-05-23 07:57:41 PM
CujoQuarrel 2011-05-23 06:58:56 PM

Wow. That's a weird stretch.


Huh? You're the one advocating a powerless federal government and strong state governments. So I'm asking you how that worked out in the past. Try using logic before you make such stupid comments like the feds should stop doing anything about education.
 
2011-05-23 08:02:32 PM

UNC_Samurai: cig-mkr: Generation_D: Explain to me again why we're still subsidizing PBS?

Because it's the only intelligent thing worth watching?

Yeah, look at History, A&E, Bravo, and TLC and tell me that the "free market" is working.


So much This. When cable first came out the wingnuts all claimed that all the educational and artistic programming on PBS would soon be found on the cable channels, so PBS wasn't necessary. Like all their predictions, it didn't happen.
 
2011-05-23 08:03:53 PM

CujoQuarrel: Infobahn: Generation_D: Explain to me again why we're still subsidizing PBS?

I bet you want the Department of Education shut down, too.

They should do this and spurn gov'ment financing. That way they wouldn't have to worry about people claiming they are 'biased'

And yes the Dept of Edu should be shut down and it's functions left to the states themselves.


While I think this idea is bad, the hijinx generated by comparing the average intelligence of HS grads from different states would be totally worth it.

/don't worry (state of your choice that you hate), at least you're in the top 50!
 
2011-05-23 08:10:56 PM
Only stupid people of any stripe watch TV for anything beyond entertainment and poor entertainment at that...PBS is an establishment codpiece, btw. Still, I miss the days before History and Discovery Channels turned from legit documentaries to this edutainment BS. Too many people got cable, and it went to the lowest common denominator.

Still, kill PBS, NPR, etc...are their supporters really stupid (or bent) enough to not get the fact that the market will support it if there is enough interest/$ in it...Sesame Street is a winner no matter what network broadcasts it.

The only people who step up to defend PBS/NPS funding are the elitist paternalistic assholes who think subsidies are not to be used for what the people want (which they have been know to pay for themselves directly)...but for what the people largely don't want but ought to have in their humble, snort, opinions.
 
2011-05-23 08:16:23 PM
They're gonna mess with my Antiques Roadshow?

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Bad enough you know that at the :45-:50 mark they always have the big-ticket appraisal, now that's probably gonna change too.

I got 2 PBS affiliates here, and they aren't as cool as WNET was in New York.

/bring back HISTORY DETECTIVES
//AND RED GREEN!
 
2011-05-23 08:20:54 PM

UNC_Samurai: cig-mkr: Generation_D: Explain to me again why we're still subsidizing PBS?

Because it's the only intelligent thing worth watching?

Yeah, look at History, A&E, Bravo, and TLC and tell me that the "free market" is working.


If by saying the "free market" isn't working, you mean the rest of your fellow americans have poor taste, then yes. Your problem isn't the marketplace; it is that you think the rest of your fellow americans are schmucks by choosing cable packages with these channels and watching their programing. In other words, you are an elitist, perhaps with a justifiable reason. If you conclude, government should step in an be involved in something as trivial as this...than you are an elitist idiot.

Choose your battles...
 
2011-05-23 08:36:59 PM

Generation_D: Explain to me again why we're still subsidizing PBS?


So we don't end up with a nation full of morons like yourself?
 
2011-05-23 08:37:05 PM

Big Al: CujoQuarrel 2011-05-23 06:58:56 PM

Wow. That's a weird stretch.


Huh? You're the one advocating a powerless federal government and strong state governments. So I'm asking you how that worked out in the past. Try using logic before you make such stupid comments like the feds should stop doing anything about education.


No advocating

1) PBS not being funded by the federal gov. Let it raise it's own funds and do whatever programming it wants. Since the amount of money provided by the feds is small compared to it's overall budget this shouldn't be a problem.
2) Education being controlled by the states. Since that is not one of the listed powers reserved for the federal gov it should be left to the states aka the 10th amendment.
 
2011-05-23 08:38:11 PM

Amagi: Too many people got cable, and it went to the lowest common denominator.


. . . thereby saving TV. Idiots watch the reality crap, making room for damn good shows: The Wire, BSG, Deadwood, Mad Men, Rome, and many others. Thank god for Survivor or all these shows would have been dumbed down.

PBS dramas are mostly crap (although often they borrow good BBC stuff), but Nova, POV, Nature and sometimes the political shows are doing stuff the commercial networks ought to do, but instead we get morans babbling about other morans on CNN, FOX, etc.

My point? The U.S. mix of commercial and public TV works rather well - considering the sensibilities of its audiences (why shouldn't people who want crap get crap?). No reason to go after either.
 
2011-05-23 08:40:46 PM

CujoQuarrel: Let it raise it's own funds and do whatever programming it wants.


That's not how commercial television works guy. The whole point of public television is to have independent content. Commercial stations don't 'play what they want' they play what sells.
 
2011-05-23 08:42:22 PM
PBS has had corporate sponsors for years. It's time for PBS to get away from Federal money.
 
2011-05-23 08:46:20 PM

Amagi: If by saying the "free market" isn't working, you mean the rest of your fellow americans have poor taste, then yes. Your problem isn't the marketplace; it is that you think the rest of your fellow americans are schmucks by choosing cable packages with these channels and watching their programing. In other words, you are an elitist, perhaps with a justifiable reason. If you conclude, government should step in an be involved in something as trivial as this...than you are an elitist idiot.



We have a system of public libraries for the same reason, because not everything of value is a marketable commodity.
 
2011-05-23 08:50:42 PM
Grammar Lesson:

CujoQuarrel: Let it raise it's =[it is] own funds and do whatever programming it wants. Since the amount of money provided by the feds is small compared to it's =[it is] overall budget this shouldn't be a problem.


Saying things like "Let is raise it is own money" does not really make you very convincing.
 
2011-05-23 08:50:51 PM
watching antiques roadshow right now so im not getting a kick out of this.
 
2011-05-23 09:04:40 PM

CujoQuarrel: Big Al: CujoQuarrel 2011-05-23 05:46:26 PM

They should do this and spurn gov'ment financing. That way they wouldn't have to worry about people claiming they are 'biased'

And yes the Dept of Edu should be shut down and it's functions left to the states themselves.


How did the Articles of Confederation work out for America?

Wow. That's a weird stretch.


no it really isn't. having an educated electorate is on of the necessary (but not sufficient) conditions for a democracy to function. the federal dept of ed is very weak - it doesn't even enforce a national curriculum standard.

you know what the result is? teabaggers and randites. people so ignorant of the history of their own country, and of how that government works that they're a cancer on society.
 
2011-05-23 09:11:45 PM
NO NO NO! You leave my Nova alone! As a PBS donor, I'm quite perturbed by this development.
 
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