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2011-05-23 10:29:08 AM  
It snows in Boston....most of the folks in Florida don't really give a shiat about hockey.
 
2011-05-23 10:50:06 AM  
You sure about that TheYeti? A good portion of Florida residence are retirees from northern states.

/my dad's one of them
 
2011-05-23 10:50:43 AM  
^ (and Canada!)
 
2011-05-23 10:54:33 AM  
It figures that Boston would have a bar named "Do-overs".
 
2011-05-23 12:44:55 PM  

Rufus_T_Firefly: You sure about that TheYeti? A good portion of Florida residence are retirees from northern states.

/my dad's one of them


Oh, the fans are there, it's just different being a hockey fan somewhere like Florida.

I moved to Florida when I was five...many of my friends were in the same boat...moved down just before kindergarten or somewhere near that age. When the Lightning came around we all went to see a few games, but we never really got into it like we did baseball and football, sports we grew up with. It's much harder to build a fan base when a lot of the your potential fan base has never participated in the sport. I mean, even if you never played in an organized league, everybody swung a bat or played football in a dirt lot somewhere. On the other hand, I know lots of folks in Florida that have never been ice skating, ever.
 
2011-05-23 12:47:23 PM  
Well considering the games are played at the arena with the ice rink, I would say that makes it Tampa Bay 1, Boston 0.
 
2011-05-23 12:50:43 PM  
I love Boston fans ripping on Tampa fans, considering that the Bruins were consistently in the bottom of the league in attendance until a few years ago. Boston is the biggest bandwagon town in sports.

And I'll just leave this here:

Average attendance for the Tampa Bay Lightning since 1992 (inception of franchise): 16,542.

Average attendance for Boston Bruins since 1992: 15,700
 
2011-05-23 12:59:49 PM  

notmtwain: It figures that Boston would have a bar named "Do-overs".


It's better than a bar called "Can't Score on A F#cking Power Play" IMO
 
2011-05-23 01:00:54 PM  

Doc Daneeka: I love Boston fans ripping on Tampa fans, considering that the Bruins were consistently in the bottom of the league in attendance until a few years ago. Boston is the biggest bandwagon town in sports.


While I'll admit there is a higher-than-normal bandwagon contingent to Boston sports fandom (all the college kids in town factor in to that), the dip in Bruins attendance was a fan base treating a sh*t ownership they way they should, which is....don't show up to games until they learn to draft and are willing to open up the wallet.

Why "diehard fans" think that swearing on team message boards about ownership is making any f*cking difference while they're still paying tickets is utterly beyond me.
 
2011-05-23 01:02:01 PM  

obzerver: notmtwain: It figures that Boston would have a bar named "Do-overs".

It's better than a bar place called "Can't Score on A F#cking Power Play" IMO


/ftfa
 
2011-05-23 01:06:50 PM  
While I'm at it, anyone who says Blackhawks fans are "bandwagoners" are also in essence saying "why yes, I would gladly patronize the product of a crap owner who would take a dump on us and use our shirts as toilet paper."
 
2011-05-23 01:13:14 PM  

Killer Cars: While I'll admit there is a higher-than-normal bandwagon contingent to Boston sports fandom (all the college kids in town factor in to that), the dip in Bruins attendance was a fan base treating a sh*t ownership they way they should, which is....don't show up to games until they learn to draft and are willing to open up the wallet.


When fans in northern markets (Boston, Chicago, Long Island) don't buy tickets to watch bad teams, it's because they are savvy fans protesting bad ownership and inept management, and are sending a message by refusing to pay money for an inferior on-ice product.

When fans in southern markets (Phoenix, Miami, Atlanta) don't buy tickets to watch bad teams, it's because they are bad fans in a bad market, and the team should probably be contracted or re-located to Canada or something.

Do I have that about right?
 
2011-05-23 01:18:19 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Do I have that about right?


I'm the wrong person to ask, since I'm not part of the knuckledragging contingent who think hockey below the Mason-Dixon line is an affront to all things civilized.
 
2011-05-23 01:19:41 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Killer Cars: While I'll admit there is a higher-than-normal bandwagon contingent to Boston sports fandom (all the college kids in town factor in to that), the dip in Bruins attendance was a fan base treating a sh*t ownership they way they should, which is....don't show up to games until they learn to draft and are willing to open up the wallet.

When fans in northern markets (Boston, Chicago, Long Island) don't buy tickets to watch bad teams, it's because they are savvy fans protesting bad ownership and inept management, and are sending a message by refusing to pay money for an inferior on-ice product.

When fans in southern markets (Phoenix, Miami, Atlanta) don't buy tickets to watch bad teams, it's because they are bad fans in a bad market, and the team should probably be contracted or re-located to Canada or something.

Do I have that about right?


Mostly. In the case of Atlanta, I'd say yes for sure. Atlanta has proven that it cannot support just about any Professional League game, not just failing at Hockey. How many Atlanta Braves PLAYOFF games were BLACKED OUT a few years back? The Falcons do OK, the Hawks, not so much. That's a city that just doesn't seem to be into major sports.

I'm not sure about Phoenix, Miami, or Tampa even. Tampa fans literally only seem to care when their team does good. I'm not sure they ever had that run of terrible ownership that Boston and Chicago had (and Chicago had a couple decades of utterly horrible ownership and sh**ting on fans) but Tampa Bay sure has some solid ownership and leadership now. We will see how their fans respond.
 
2011-05-23 01:25:27 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Killer Cars: While I'll admit there is a higher-than-normal bandwagon contingent to Boston sports fandom (all the college kids in town factor in to that), the dip in Bruins attendance was a fan base treating a sh*t ownership they way they should, which is....don't show up to games until they learn to draft and are willing to open up the wallet.

When fans in northern markets (Boston, Chicago, Long Island) don't buy tickets to watch bad teams, it's because they are savvy fans protesting bad ownership and inept management, and are sending a message by refusing to pay money for an inferior on-ice product.

When fans in southern markets (Phoenix, Miami, Atlanta) don't buy tickets to watch bad teams, it's because they are bad fans in a bad market, and the team should probably be contracted or re-located to Canada or something.

Do I have that about right?



That's about what most of Fark thinks.


media2.myfoxtampabay.com

Ha.
 
2011-05-23 01:28:07 PM  
I never watched the Bruins growing up and I still don't watch them now. Have some self respect bandwagoners.
 
2011-05-23 01:32:23 PM  

recoil47: How many Atlanta Braves PLAYOFF games were BLACKED OUT a few years back?


I'm going to say none, since the NFL is the only pro league that has a television blackout policy based on game attendance.

MLB's TV blackout policy has to do with geography and territorial rights, and nothing to do with ticket sales.
 
2011-05-23 01:33:25 PM  
800 seems like a lot of people to me.
 
2011-05-23 01:36:40 PM  
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2011-05-23 01:38:34 PM  
Who farking cares, Subby?

... And the only pre-game drinking that matters happens at Sullivan's Tap, anyway.


Let's go, Bruins!!!

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2011-05-23 01:39:45 PM  

Doc Daneeka: I love Boston fans ripping on Tampa fans, considering that the Bruins were consistently in the bottom of the league in attendance until a few years ago. Boston is the biggest bandwagon town in sports.


Since you're a Buffalo Sabres fan, I'd be a little more careful about commenting about actions of fans of other hockey teams.

The fans of your team have a rich history and reputation of being the whiniest in professional sports, let alone just hockey.
 
2011-05-23 01:41:24 PM  

recoil47: How many Atlanta Braves PLAYOFF games were BLACKED OUT a few years back?


Zero, because MLB doesn't black out games due to attendance.

However, your general point is accurate - Atlanta has the worst sports fans in the US.
 
2011-05-23 01:42:25 PM  

LessO2: Doc Daneeka: I love Boston fans ripping on Tampa fans, considering that the Bruins were consistently in the bottom of the league in attendance until a few years ago. Boston is the biggest bandwagon town in sports.

Since you're a Buffalo Sabres fan, I'd be a little more careful about commenting about actions of fans of other hockey teams.

The fans of your team have a rich history and reputation of being the whiniest in professional sports, let alone just hockey.



Oh snap.
 
2011-05-23 01:42:54 PM  

Doc Daneeka: recoil47: How many Atlanta Braves PLAYOFF games were BLACKED OUT a few years back?

I'm going to say none, since the NFL is the only pro league that has a television blackout policy based on game attendance.

MLB's TV blackout policy has to do with geography and territorial rights, and nothing to do with ticket sales.


Ok, but not the point. How many Braves playoff games did they not sell out?

Like seriously, it's the farking post-season. How do you not pack the place to the gills?
 
2011-05-23 01:46:18 PM  

LessO2: The fans of your team have a rich history and reputation of being the whiniest in professional sports, let alone just hockey.


imagemacros.files.wordpress.com

I don't think that fans of your team should criticize the fans of my team when we criticize the fans of third team for criticizing the fan of yet another team.
 
2011-05-23 01:46:46 PM  

Doc Daneeka: I love Boston fans ripping on Tampa fans, considering that the Bruins were consistently in the bottom of the league in attendance until a few years ago. Boston is the biggest bandwagon town in sports.

And I'll just leave this here:

Average attendance for the Tampa Bay Lightning since 1992 (inception of franchise): 16,542.


Average attendance for Boston Bruins since 1992: 15,700


Using your numbers:

Tampa has 19,758 seats for NHL games
That equates to 83.7% of capacity

The TD Garden has 17,565 for NHL games (1995-Present)89.1% capacity
Boston Garden had 14,448 for NHL games (1992-1994) 108.7% capacity
Combined is 98.9% capacity.

Tampa average = 83.7% of capacity
Boston average = 98.9% of capacity
 
2011-05-23 01:48:55 PM  

drkdstryer: Doc Daneeka: recoil47: How many Atlanta Braves PLAYOFF games were BLACKED OUT a few years back?

I'm going to say none, since the NFL is the only pro league that has a television blackout policy based on game attendance.

MLB's TV blackout policy has to do with geography and territorial rights, and nothing to do with ticket sales.

Ok, but not the point. How many Braves playoff games did they not sell out?

Like seriously, it's the farking post-season. How do you not pack the place to the gills?


Dunno. Ask the Tampa Bay Rays. Oh wait, I'm supposed to be comparing and contrasting against the greater Tampa region..
 
2011-05-23 01:51:37 PM  

Doc Daneeka: I don't think that fans of your team should criticize the fans of my team when we criticize the fans of third team for criticizing the fan of yet another team.



lsnhs.leesummit.k12.mo.us

Man... Why's everybody got to be so critical?!?
 
2011-05-23 01:52:49 PM  
800 Fans show up at airport to support Tampa Bay Lightning. 800? In Boston we call that pre-game at Mulligans

Huh? What kind of point is subby trying to make?
 
2011-05-23 01:54:01 PM  

haplo53: 800 Fans show up at airport to support Tampa Bay Lightning. 800? In Boston we call that pre-game at Mulligans

Huh? What kind of point is subby trying to make?


There's at least 800 people in Boston preparing to forget what will happen following an 8 pm puck drop.
 
2011-05-23 01:57:18 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Killer Cars: While I'll admit there is a higher-than-normal bandwagon contingent to Boston sports fandom (all the college kids in town factor in to that), the dip in Bruins attendance was a fan base treating a sh*t ownership they way they should, which is....don't show up to games until they learn to draft and are willing to open up the wallet.

When fans in northern markets (Boston, Chicago, Long Island) don't buy tickets to watch bad teams, it's because they are savvy fans protesting bad ownership and inept management, and are sending a message by refusing to pay money for an inferior on-ice product.

When fans in southern markets (Phoenix, Miami, Atlanta) don't buy tickets to watch bad teams, it's because they are bad fans in a bad market, and the team should probably be contracted or re-located to Canada or something.

Do I have that about right?


By all accounts, Nassau Coliseum is a nasty, terrible place to watch a game. The Islanders have everything going against them - facility-wise and poor management. Of course, Toronto is the perfect example of a franchise that enjoys taking a hot diarrhetic shiat on its fans, knowing that those chumps will queue up for season tickets anyway.

I can't speak to the quality and relative value of seeing a game in Phoenix, Atlanta, or Miami. I know that the Hurricanes and Gale Force have kept ticket and concession prices relatively reasonable (it's cheaper to go to a 'Canes game than a Bobcats game), and attendance has been solid despite the team's roller-coaster fortunes the last couple of years. The occasional playoff run gives the fan base enough of a shot in the arm.
 
2011-05-23 02:08:36 PM  
800 Fans show up at airport to support Tampa Bay Lightning. 800? In Boston we call that pre-game at Mulligans

But in Tampa they call that "Evan Longoria Bobblehead Night," so it's all relative.
 
2011-05-23 02:08:38 PM  
I've been in Atlanta for about 11 years and I can attest to the meh of the fan base regarding pro teams. I'll only go to Thrashers or Hawks game if it's free, so I end up going to a few games of each every season.

I'll pay for Braves games, but that's mostly about relaxing outside in the summer.

People are very into college football here. Far more than any other place I've been. That's where the sports money goes.
 
2011-05-23 02:11:12 PM  
When can the game thread start so I can call Kaberle a piece of shiat? I can pretty much guarentee this sack of crap will be hanging his head after another skittery turnover and goal tonight.

/B's fan
 
2011-05-23 02:12:20 PM  

S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: When can the game thread start so I can call Kaberle a piece of shiat? I can pretty much guarentee this sack of crap will be hanging his head after another skittery turnover and goal tonight.

/B's fan



Seconded.
 
2011-05-23 02:16:27 PM  

Killer Cars: the dip in Bruins attendance was a fan base treating a sh*t ownership they way they should, which is....don't show up to games until they learn to draft and are willing to open up the wallet.


FWIW, this is the excuse "real fans" use to justify not showing when the team sucks. Literally, this is the exact same excuse I've heard from Pittsburgh, Buffalo, and Chicago fans when confronted with the exact same phenomenon.

The reality is that this kind of behavior among fan bases in the NHL is the rule, and the only people who really defy this as an exception are Montreal Fans.
 
2011-05-23 02:17:22 PM  

S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: When can the game thread start so I can call Kaberle a piece of shiat? I can pretty much guarentee this sack of crap will be hanging his head after another skittery turnover and goal tonight.

/B's fan


Heh... Toronto's getting revenge for the Kessel trade.

I'd love to see him benched. Bring back Hnidy... he couldn't be any worse!
 
2011-05-23 02:17:34 PM  

The Homer Tax: Killer Cars: the dip in Bruins attendance was a fan base treating a sh*t ownership they way they should, which is....don't show up to games until they learn to draft and are willing to open up the wallet.

FWIW, this is the excuse "real fans" use to justify not showing when the team sucks. Literally, this is the exact same excuse I've heard from Pittsburgh, Buffalo, and Chicago fans when confronted with the exact same phenomenon.

The reality is that this kind of behavior among fan bases in the NHL is the rule, and the only people who really defy this as an exception are Montreal Fans.



I'm surprised more Montreal fans don't dive off the bandwagon.
 
2011-05-23 02:18:16 PM  
Some TFer please go into the queue and tell me when the playoff thread is to hit the sports tab, that is if they greened one. Thanks.
 
2011-05-23 02:25:55 PM  

obzerver:
Using your numbers:

Tampa has 19,758 seats for NHL games
That equates to 83.7% of capacity

The TD Garden has 17,565 for NHL games (1995-Present)89.1% capacity
Boston Garden had 14,448 for NHL games (1992-1994) 108.7% capacity
Combined is 98.9% capacity.

Tampa average = 83.7% of capacity
Boston average = 98.9% of capacity


Holy Fark, did you really take percentage of capacity over a 2 year period, percentage of capacity over a 17 year period and *average* them?

recoil47: but Tampa Bay sure has some solid ownership and leadership now.


The Bolts literally just got a new Owner, Coach, and GM this year.

Combined with the blackout thing and your post has an amazingly high percentage of wrong.
 
2011-05-23 02:28:54 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I've been in Atlanta for about 11 years and I can attest to the meh of the fan base regarding pro teams. I'll only go to Thrashers or Hawks game if it's free, so I end up going to a few games of each every season.

I'll pay for Braves games, but that's mostly about relaxing outside in the summer.

People are very into college football here. Far more than any other place I've been. That's where the sports money goes.


darlin, I'm southern born and bred and we don't really give a shiat about "yankee sports" or even NBA. NCAA Football and basketball are what we non/ bad baptists have as religion. So, go
play hockey...we don't care.

PS Atlanta is no longer the South.
 
2011-05-23 02:30:39 PM  

Panty Sniffer: Some TFer please go into the queue and tell me when the playoff thread is to hit the sports tab, that is if they greened one. Thanks.


3:51
 
2011-05-23 02:43:54 PM  

haplo53: 800 Fans show up at airport to support Tampa Bay Lightning. 800? In Boston we call that pre-game at Mulligans

Huh? What kind of point is subby trying to make?


Not sure.

A) The Bolts fans were in an airport parking lot as opposed to a bar (which would YOU rather go to?)
B) It wasn't before a game

Show me 801 or more Boston fans making a giant B in the Logan parking lot and then you might just have a point.
 
2011-05-23 02:53:48 PM  

The Homer Tax: Holy Fark, did you really take percentage of capacity over a 2 year period, percentage of capacity over a 17 year period and *average* them?


Not only that, he appears to have applied the overall average attendance to the old Boston Garden capacity when figuring out the percentage.

According to my calculations, the Bruins played to 98.4% capacity at the old Boston Garden and 90.4% at their current arena (through 09-10 season) for a total of 91.6% capacity overall.
 
2011-05-23 02:57:54 PM  

The Homer Tax: obzerver:
Using your numbers:

Tampa has 19,758 seats for NHL games
That equates to 83.7% of capacity

The TD Garden has 17,565 for NHL games (1995-Present)89.1% capacity
Boston Garden had 14,448 for NHL games (1992-1994) 108.7% capacity
Combined is 98.9% capacity.

Tampa average = 83.7% of capacity
Boston average = 98.9% of capacity

Holy Fark, did you really take percentage of capacity over a 2 year period, percentage of capacity over a 17 year period and *average* them?


This is the best thing I've read all day. I didn't notice it when reading his comment, so thanks!

B/c I like math:
Tampa average = 83.7% of capacity
Boston average =~ 91.4% of capacity

Let's not forget, obzerver, that we're talking about an Original Six franchise vs. an early 90s sunbelt expansion team (from its inception!). The fact that figures are even close speaks volumes about both fanbases
 
2011-05-23 02:58:12 PM  

LessO2: The fans of your team have a rich history and reputation of being the whiniest in professional sports, let alone just hockey.


Citation? Or, are you simple expressing an opinion?

obzerver: Tampa average = 83.7% of capacity
Boston average = 98.9% of capacity


You fail at math.
 
2011-05-23 03:07:23 PM  
Remember last year when there was that article saying that Boston would win the Superbowl and NBA Championship and Stanley Cup and World Series in 2011? And the Boston fans were all into it?

Good times man.
 
2011-05-23 03:08:42 PM  

Killer Cars: the dip in Bruins attendance was a fan base treating a sh*t ownership they way they should, which is....don't show up to games until they learn to draft and are willing to open up the wallet


This. I have three friends whose families had season tickets for years. All three dumped the season tickets for the reason you mentioned: ownership. It was a huge problem with this team for a while.
 
2011-05-23 03:11:56 PM  
Meanwhile the Canucks had 5000 fans at their last two games in San Jose.

Likely because it was cheaper to fly down there, get a hotel room and tickets to the game than try and pay the extortionist prices up here, but still.

Loomy: The Homer Tax: obzerver:
Using your numbers:

Tampa has 19,758 seats for NHL games
That equates to 83.7% of capacity

The TD Garden has 17,565 for NHL games (1995-Present)89.1% capacity
Boston Garden had 14,448 for NHL games (1992-1994) 108.7% capacity
Combined is 98.9% capacity.

Tampa average = 83.7% of capacity
Boston average = 98.9% of capacity

Holy Fark, did you really take percentage of capacity over a 2 year period, percentage of capacity over a 17 year period and *average* them?

This is the best thing I've read all day. I didn't notice it when reading his comment, so thanks!

B/c I like math:
Tampa average = 83.7% of capacity
Boston average =~ 91.4% of capacity

Let's not forget, obzerver, that we're talking about an Original Six franchise vs. an early 90s sunbelt expansion team (from its inception!). The fact that figures are even close speaks volumes about both fanbases


obzerver tends to get a little bit lost in these sorts of arguments.
 
2011-05-23 03:14:08 PM  

fatalvenom: LessO2: Doc Daneeka: I love Boston fans ripping on Tampa fans, considering that the Bruins were consistently in the bottom of the league in attendance until a few years ago. Boston is the biggest bandwagon town in sports.

Since you're a Buffalo Sabres fan, I'd be a little more careful about commenting about actions of fans of other hockey teams.

The fans of your team have a rich history and reputation of being the whiniest in professional sports, let alone just hockey.


Oh snap.


Wait, isnt that the Bills?
 
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