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2011-05-18 12:56:57 PM  
Hey, Fred Baughman, fark you.

It's most certainly over diagnosed and over medicated for, but it also most definitely exists.
 
2011-05-18 01:02:12 PM  
That's a large load of horseshiat.

It is overdiagnosed, but that doesn't mean that it isn't real.
 
2011-05-18 01:02:39 PM  
Psychiatry is the specialty dealing with emotional and behavioural things which are not actual, physical diseases - things like depression, anxiety, panic, and so on.

I doubt anything in the rest of the article is worthwhile after reading that line.
 
2011-05-18 01:20:53 PM  

HalEmmerich: It's most certainly over diagnosed and over medicated for, but it also most definitely exists.


So much this. That it is misdiagnosed and overused as an excuse by many really grinds my gears, but it IS a real thing.
 
2011-05-18 01:21:18 PM  

Blues_X: That's a large load of horseshiat.

It is overdiagnosed, but that doesn't mean that it isn't real.


This.
I mean, I know lots of people that

SQUIRREL!
 
2011-05-18 01:21:47 PM  
I don't understand why a 9 year old who can't sit still for 8 hours and focus on a text book is considered abnormal.
 
2011-05-18 01:25:19 PM  
Please allow me to retort,,,oh wait a shiny thing.
 
2011-05-18 01:26:42 PM  

nekom: HalEmmerich: It's most certainly over diagnosed and over medicated for, but it also most definitely exists.

So much this. That it is misdiagnosed and overused as an excuse by many really grinds my gears, but it IS a real thing.


My Mom was a schoolteacher from the early fifties to the late 80's, and her observation was that 75% would probably lose most of their symptoms if they had their sugar and caffeine levels drastically cut (Think about it-before the 80's did kids routinely drink 32+ oz of caffeinated soda at a clip?)

The remaining 25% have legitimate issues.
 
2011-05-18 01:28:18 PM  

Barbigazi: I don't understand why a 9 year old who can't sit still for 8 hours and focus on a text book is considered abnormal.


Because we regularly deny the blatantly obvious and hammer on that round-hole-square-peg set until it fits, dammit. Our hubris requires us to bend reality until it fits desires and opinions. Anglophone nations, for some inexplicable reason, respond to failure by doing the exact same thing over again, they just do it harder this time.
 
2011-05-18 01:37:13 PM  
ADD is most certainly real, and very likely linked to the same sorts of early trauma that can cause autism, i.e. excessive vaccines that chemically and emotionally scar infants. Another example of early childhood trauma that can scar infants is circumcision, and numerous studies may in the future show indisputable links between parents the mutilations caused by this barbaric practice and later ADD diagnoses.

Other possible factors include children being forced to breastfeed in public. Mothers who simply want an excuse to whip out their boobs in public may be traumatizing their children and causing them to become attention deficit. Bringing children on airplanes, too, in addition to being a clear sign of bad parenting that should require immediate Social Services intervention and/or imprisonment, could conceivably cause significant inner ear disruptions that result in ADD.

There are other possible factors as well. Some might suggest a higher incidence of ADD among the children of atheists, who themselves have unsettled minds unable to focus on a single belief system. Choosing a non-standard name, like anything with "ayden" in it or something too ethnic, can also cause children to retreat into their own minds and lose their ability to focus. Exposing children to unhealthy environments, like (for example) letting them sit on bar stools, is also a very likely cause.

The bottom line is that there are probably many root causes of ADD. This does not mean it's not real.
 
2011-05-18 01:40:13 PM  
img217.imageshack.us

Disagrees
 
2011-05-18 01:43:55 PM  
WHAT?

Next I suppose you're going to tell me Restless Leg Syndrome is made-up, and I've been suffering medication side effects of rectal bleeding and brain mold for nothing??
 
2011-05-18 01:44:38 PM  
Hey, if it makes the helicopter parents feel better about their breeding results, they can call it ADD, Asperger, or whatever floats their boat. It doesn't hurt me one bit.
 
2011-05-18 01:46:29 PM  

Pocket Ninja: ADD is most certainly real, and very likely linked to the same sorts of early trauma that can cause autism, i.e. excessive vaccines that chemically and emotionally scar infants. Another example of early childhood trauma that can scar infants is circumcision, and numerous studies may in the future show indisputable links between parents the mutilations caused by this barbaric practice and later ADD diagnoses.

Other possible factors include children being forced to breastfeed in public. Mothers who simply want an excuse to whip out their boobs in public may be traumatizing their children and causing them to become attention deficit. Bringing children on airplanes, too, in addition to being a clear sign of bad parenting that should require immediate Social Services intervention and/or imprisonment, could conceivably cause significant inner ear disruptions that result in ADD.

There are other possible factors as well. Some might suggest a higher incidence of ADD among the children of atheists, who themselves have unsettled minds unable to focus on a single belief system. Choosing a non-standard name, like anything with "ayden" in it or something too ethnic, can also cause children to retreat into their own minds and lose their ability to focus. Exposing children to unhealthy environments, like (for example) letting them sit on bar stools, is also a very likely cause.

The bottom line is that there are probably many root causes of ADD. This does not mean it's not real.


img525.imageshack.us
 
2011-05-18 01:46:38 PM  

gilgigamesh: WHAT?

Next I suppose you're going to tell me Restless Leg Syndrome is made-up, and I've been suffering medication side effects of rectal bleeding and brain mold for nothing??


Not for nothing.. we've collected some really funny moments that will go into a highlight reel for our next executive retreat!

Thanks,
PharmaCEO
 
2011-05-18 01:46:55 PM  

Pocket Ninja: ADD is most certainly real, and very likely linked to the same sorts of early trauma that can cause autism, i.e. excessive vaccines that chemically and emotionally scar infants. Another example of early childhood trauma that can scar infants is circumcision, and numerous studies may in the future show indisputable links between parents the mutilations caused by this barbaric practice and later ADD diagnoses.

Other possible factors include children being forced to breastfeed in public. Mothers who simply want an excuse to whip out their boobs in public may be traumatizing their children and causing them to become attention deficit. Bringing children on airplanes, too, in addition to being a clear sign of bad parenting that should require immediate Social Services intervention and/or imprisonment, could conceivably cause significant inner ear disruptions that result in ADD.

There are other possible factors as well. Some might suggest a higher incidence of ADD among the children of atheists, who themselves have unsettled minds unable to focus on a single belief system. Choosing a non-standard name, like anything with "ayden" in it or something too ethnic, can also cause children to retreat into their own minds and lose their ability to focus. Exposing children to unhealthy environments, like (for example) letting them sit on bar stools, is also a very likely cause.

The bottom line is that there are probably many root causes of ADD. This does not mean it's not real.


I'm not suffering from the gushing Pocket Ninja fanboism that seems to afflict most farkers, but this is ouytstanding.
 
2011-05-18 01:48:45 PM  

Blues_X: That's a large load of horseshiat.

It is overdiagnosed, but that doesn't mean that it isn't real.


Yep, and for those of you not familiar with Fred Baughman, he's a medical expert for the Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), an advocacy group established in 1969 by the Church of Scientology.
 
2011-05-18 01:50:07 PM  
 
2011-05-18 01:50:09 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Blues_X: That's a large load of horseshiat.

It is overdiagnosed, but that doesn't mean that it isn't real.

Yep, and for those of you not familiar with Fred Baughman, he's a medical expert for the Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), an advocacy group established in 1969 by the Church of Scientology.


Broken clock, blah blah blah.
 
2011-05-18 01:50:36 PM  

Pocket Ninja: The bottom line is that there are probably many root causes of ADD. This does not mean it's not real.



At first I was all

"wat."

And then I was

www.fishingrodprices.com
 
2011-05-18 01:52:53 PM  
The problem with ADD as a diagnosed condition is it exists on a continuum, where you declare the outliers as having a disorder. Until someone finds a biological marker or mechanism where we can absolutely test and see the kids have too high/low levels of this marker or that, it's just gonna be a bullshiat diagnosis.

And there's the stupidity of trying to say a kid isn't paying enough attention or is too hyper. Really? They're kids, it's what they do.

I won't say ADD or ADHD is a lie but I will say we should probably err on the side of not diagnosing and treating it with powerful psychiatric drugs when we're not really sure.
 
2011-05-18 01:53:17 PM  
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Discuss
 
2011-05-18 01:55:54 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Blues_X: That's a large load of horseshiat.

It is overdiagnosed, but that doesn't mean that it isn't real.

Yep, and for those of you not familiar with Fred Baughman, he's a medical expert for the Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), an advocacy group established in 1969 by the Church of Scientology.


You know, as I was reading that I actually thought to myself, this guys sounds like a Scientologist, so that doesn't surprise me at all.
 
2011-05-18 02:10:41 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Yep, and for those of you not familiar with Fred Baughman, he's a medical expert for the Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), an advocacy group established in 1969 by the Church of Scientology.


Well THERE'S your problem.
 
2011-05-18 02:20:55 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Blues_X: That's a large load of horseshiat.

It is overdiagnosed, but that doesn't mean that it isn't real.

Yep, and for those of you not familiar with Fred Baughman, he's a medical expert for the Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), an advocacy group established in 1969 by the Church of Scientology.


Ah. OK, next thread.
 
2011-05-18 02:25:36 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Blues_X: That's a large load of horseshiat.

It is overdiagnosed, but that doesn't mean that it isn't real.

Yep, and for those of you not familiar with Fred Baughman, he's a medical expert for the Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), an advocacy group established in 1969 by the Church of Scientology.


Came here to say this. Fred Baughman is a vocal Scientology anti-psychiatry "expert". He is not a respected scientist and he's been doing this anti-ADHD thing for decades.
 
2011-05-18 02:33:00 PM  

Blues_X: That's a large load of horseshiat.

It is overdiagnosed, but that doesn't mean that it isn't real.


Kids are still stupid though.
 
2011-05-18 02:39:46 PM  
If a kid is diagnosed with ADD and Aspergers, does that mean they act normal?
 
2011-05-18 03:17:21 PM  

Pocket Ninja: ADD is most certainly real, and very likely linked to the same sorts of early trauma that can cause autism, i.e. excessive vaccines that chemically and emotionally scar infants. Another example of early childhood trauma that can scar infants is circumcision, and numerous studies may in the future show indisputable links between parents the mutilations caused by this barbaric practice and later ADD diagnoses.

Other possible factors include children being forced to breastfeed in public. Mothers who simply want an excuse to whip out their boobs in public may be traumatizing their children and causing them to become attention deficit. Bringing children on airplanes, too, in addition to being a clear sign of bad parenting that should require immediate Social Services intervention and/or imprisonment, could conceivably cause significant inner ear disruptions that result in ADD.

There are other possible factors as well. Some might suggest a higher incidence of ADD among the children of atheists, who themselves have unsettled minds unable to focus on a single belief system. Choosing a non-standard name, like anything with "ayden" in it or something too ethnic, can also cause children to retreat into their own minds and lose their ability to focus. Exposing children to unhealthy environments, like (for example) letting them sit on bar stools, is also a very likely cause.

The bottom line is that there are probably many root causes of ADD. This does not mean it's not real.


You sir, are a scholar and a gentleman.
 
2011-05-18 03:38:28 PM  

nekom: HalEmmerich: It's most certainly over diagnosed and over medicated for, but it also most definitely exists.

So much this. That it is misdiagnosed and overused as an excuse by many really grinds my gears, but it IS a real thing.


indeed. autism is the new add/adhd
 
2011-05-18 03:38:31 PM  
excessive vaccines that chemically and emotionally scar infants

You freakin' wacko.
 
2011-05-18 03:39:07 PM  

Ninja_Pancakes: Pocket Ninja: ADD is most certainly real, and very likely linked to the same sorts of early trauma that can cause autism, i.e. excessive vaccines that chemically and emotionally scar infants. Another example of early childhood trauma that can scar infants is circumcision, and numerous studies may in the future show indisputable links between parents the mutilations caused by this barbaric practice and later ADD diagnoses.

Other possible factors include children being forced to breastfeed in public. Mothers who simply want an excuse to whip out their boobs in public may be traumatizing their children and causing them to become attention deficit. Bringing children on airplanes, too, in addition to being a clear sign of bad parenting that should require immediate Social Services intervention and/or imprisonment, could conceivably cause significant inner ear disruptions that result in ADD.

There are other possible factors as well. Some might suggest a higher incidence of ADD among the children of atheists, who themselves have unsettled minds unable to focus on a single belief system. Choosing a non-standard name, like anything with "ayden" in it or something too ethnic, can also cause children to retreat into their own minds and lose their ability to focus. Exposing children to unhealthy environments, like (for example) letting them sit on bar stools, is also a very likely cause.

The bottom line is that there are probably many root causes of ADD. This does not mean it's not real.

You sir, are a scholar and a gentleman.


You talking to yourself again Pocket Ninja Pancakes?
 
2011-05-18 03:39:43 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: If a kid is diagnosed with ADD and Aspergers, does that mean they act normal?


Nope. I was diagnosed with both and was told I acted 'atypical' for BOTH diagnoses (for instance, I have never in my life been hyperactive, and I'm highly sociable and understanding of other people!). Possibly as a result I have a degree in psychology. So I could understand myself.
 
2011-05-18 03:40:20 PM  
It is probably real but I sometimes
 
2011-05-18 03:42:19 PM  

gilgigamesh: I'm not suffering from the gushing Pocket Ninja fanboism that seems to afflict most farkers, but this is ouytstanding.


I was rather impressed by it myself as well.
 
2011-05-18 03:43:07 PM  
I am sorry there is no ADHD it is just that you normal people bore the Hades out of us.
 
2011-05-18 03:44:30 PM  
His main argument appears to be that it's not a disease. I don't think there was ever an argument about that. It ISN'T a disease, it's a disorder. It's right there in the name. Diseases and disorders are different, and also, I would expect a neurologist to know that they're starting to discover the physical causes within the brain that causes ADD.

I won't deny at all that it's extremely over-diagnosed and over-medicated, especially as someone who actually has a severe case of it which has been repeatedly diagnosed. I don't take the drugs anymore because the dexedrine they had me on was turning me into a tweeker, but it's this blatant overdiagnosis that makes it so that no one takes me seriously when I tell them about it, or how badly its impacted my life.

And for the record, I'm far from dumb, despite how I might seem on the interbutts.
 
2011-05-18 03:46:22 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Whaarrrgharbl.


That was actually one of your better efforts.

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2011-05-18 03:46:46 PM  

gilgigamesh: Next I suppose you're going to tell me Restless Leg Syndrome is made-up, and I've been suffering medication side effects of rectal bleeding and brain mold for nothing??


My bf had severe fatigue, and the sleep clinic at U of Chicago told him he wasn't sleeping well because he had Restless Leg Syndrome. Then they billed him almost $4000.
 
2011-05-18 03:46:46 PM  

Barbigazi: I don't understand why a 9 year old who can't sit still for 8 hours and focus on a text book is considered abnormal.


Use bigger nails.
 
2011-05-18 03:47:06 PM  
Back in my day, there was only one treatment for the symptoms of ADD/ADHD.

It worked every time, and it didn't involve getting kids dependent on the pharmaceutical industry at an early age.

/pharmaceuticals were strictly voluntary
 
2011-05-18 03:47:10 PM  

HalEmmerich: Hey, Fred Baughman, fark you.

It's most certainly over diagnosed and over medicated for, but it also most definitely exists.


Sounds like someone has a stupid child :)
 
2011-05-18 03:47:32 PM  
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2011-05-18 03:47:34 PM  
In between 8 and 9th grade we took a family trip to the keys. One evening while my parents watched the news (some vacation) we saw a story on 20/20 by Barbara Walters about ADD. The symptoms they described fit me to a tee/t?. When we got back we went to our family doctor and I was diagnosed and prescribed medication. I went from not being able to pass classes in middle school to taking honors classes by my senior year. I have no doubt that I would not have passed HS without it and I am thankful EVERY day for it. I am scared to think how my life would have ended up had I not been given medication.

I can't describe how frustrating it is to know that you should be getting great grades but no matter how much you try you still end up failing.
 
2011-05-18 03:47:54 PM  

bobbette: Came here to say this. Fred Baughman is a vocal Scientology anti-psychiatry "expert". He is not a respected scientist and he's been doing this anti-ADHD thing for decades


So, either the autism spectrum is real, or Scientology is right?
 
2011-05-18 03:48:20 PM  
Oh, this shiat again...

It's real, but rather rare. So is autism, the latest darling "diagnosis" to turn childhood into a disease.
 
2011-05-18 03:48:47 PM  

HalEmmerich: Hey, Fred Baughman, fark you.

It's most certainly over diagnosed and over medicated for, but it also most definitely exists.


Blues_X: That's a large load of horseshiat.

It is overdiagnosed, but that doesn't mean that it isn't real.


Done and done.
 
2011-05-18 03:49:44 PM  
You're glib Lester, you don't know the history of psychology, I do.
 
2011-05-18 03:49:56 PM  

Jake Havechek: excessive vaccines that chemically and emotionally scar infants

You freakin' wacko.


surely you are not serious here.
 
2011-05-18 03:50:03 PM  
No, it is definitely NOT a disease.

But if you don't think it's real, then please feel free to eat a bag of dicks. It is a neurological condition that has many advantages and is present in many very creative and influential people. It's just that many of our social institutions, especially grade school and university, are set up in such a way that is does become debilitating.

--CSB time---

Getting diagnosed with ADHD at the age of 22 was the best thing that ever happened to me. I had pretty much skated through school by having high test grades and teachers who really didn't want to see me fail because they believed I had potential, so they let me turn in papers and projects late all the time. Their hearts were in the right place, but that probably didn't help me. When I got to University, I failed miserably and was out of school in a year. I went back to school when I was 21 and it was a huge struggle, but I was passing.

Then I got diagnosed. I had to go through a battery of tests that ruled out other possibility, and my family and friends had to fill out long and detailed questionnaires, but it was pretty obvious I fit the profile. You can look at my transcripts and pretty much draw a line at exactly when this happened. The medicine definitely helped, but the coping strategies my psychologist helped me develop were even more beneficial. At this point in my life you could call them habits.
 
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