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(The New Republic)   To celebrate the beatification of Pope John Paul II, the Vatican parties with Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe. You're doing it wrong   ( tnr.com) divider line
    More: Sick, Pope John Paul II, Mugabe, Zimbabwe, Vatican, head of state, Holy See, Jesuits, Sarkozy  
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2011-05-17 12:12:30 PM  

Inchoate: To name two recent things off the top of my head...

How about the Catholic charity from the Fark link a week or two ago that provides compassionate, progressive harm-reduction care for alcoholics?

How about the clergy actually -in- Zimbabwe who are getting thrown under the bus for speaking out against Mugabe's atrocities?

I'm an atheist and not a particular fan of the Catholic Church, but to act as if they are incapable of any good is as naïve as being their unquestioning follower.


Individually, of course. I'm talking about the Church; il Vaticano and all that. When was the last time the Catholic church as an organization did something socially positive?

The charity story comes close, but IIRC that place had been running for like twenty years hadn't it?
 
2011-05-17 12:15:30 PM  

cbackous: No. Religious groups can (and do) do good things. However, history has shown that religion has resulted in alot of bad things. (justified by religious beliefs)

The good things that religious groups do, can just as easily be done by secular groups. Secular groups would have a hard time doing bad things and justifying them.

If you eliminated all religious charities, I do not think enough secular charities would emerge to fill the void. For the most part, "good" people do good things because they are motivated in some way to do so. Their motives vary. If belief in God convinces them to be good, their actions are just as good as anyone else who does the same thing for other reasons.

Also, many people who volunteer with secular charities are religious.

As for bad acts, there are secular groups who engage in war, terrorism and genocide. They're called governments and drug cartels.
 
2011-05-17 12:55:58 PM  

James Harrison will taste Manflesh:

cbackous: No. Religious groups can (and do) do good things. However, history has shown that religion has resulted in alot of bad things. (justified by religious beliefs)

The good things that religious groups do, can just as easily be done by secular groups. Secular groups would have a hard time doing bad things and justifying them.


If you eliminated all religious charities, I do not think enough secular charities would emerge to fill the void. For the most part, "good" people do good things because they are motivated in some way to do so. Their motives vary. If belief in God convinces them to be good, their actions are just as good as anyone else who does the same thing for other reasons.

Also, many people who volunteer with secular charities are religious.

As for bad acts, there are secular groups who engage in war, terrorism and genocide. They're called governments and drug cartels.



Exactly. Don't confuse moral views or ideology with charitable acts of philanthropy and involvement with social services.

Studies show religious people are active greater numbers and donate more in charitable giving to secular social organizations than atheists and non-religious counterparts. Over 85% of religious households supported secular social organizations. Fifty-two percent (52%) of all households gave to both religious congregations and secular organizations, but those households account for 81 percent of all donations.

You may even find they do it more efficiently and provide higher quality than their secular counterparts
 
2011-05-17 02:06:22 PM  
Didn't know mugabe was a pedophile. Why else would the church like him so much?
 
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