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(The New Republic)   To celebrate the beatification of Pope John Paul II, the Vatican parties with Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe. You're doing it wrong   (tnr.com ) divider line 54
    More: Sick, Pope John Paul II, Mugabe, Zimbabwe, Vatican, head of state, Holy See, Jesuits, Sarkozy  
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2011-05-16 10:03:22 PM  
Well, at least Mugabe isn't an atheist
 
2011-05-16 10:25:01 PM  
www.tnr.com

Dracula meets Blackula.
 
2011-05-16 10:40:49 PM  
Actually I think he's doing it right.
 
2011-05-16 11:22:18 PM  
Well, the Vatican also promotes the death of millions in Africa, so I can see what they'd have to talk about.
 
2011-05-16 11:23:41 PM  
Quickly, someone name the most recent enterprise the Catholic church has engaged in that wasn't socially maladjusted and toxic.

I will wait.
 
2011-05-17 01:40:35 AM  

ninjakirby: Quickly, someone name the most recent enterprise the Catholic church has engaged in that wasn't socially maladjusted and toxic.

I will wait.


Professed or actual?
 
2011-05-17 02:20:41 AM  
WTF? You know, I really want to give the Vatican the benefit of the doubt sometimes but then they do sh*t like this.
 
2011-05-17 04:34:42 AM  
Gonna party like it's 1979?
 
2011-05-17 04:37:55 AM  
How could the Vatican be content to host such an ignominious figure?

Because they've been doing it for centuries. Non story.
 
2011-05-17 04:39:43 AM  

ninjakirby: Quickly, someone name the most recent enterprise the Catholic church has engaged in that wasn't socially maladjusted and toxic.

I will wait.


Ummmm. Hmmmm, they finally apologized for how they treated Galileo and are going to raise a statue of him inside Vatican City?

/~350 years too late
//and wait...they suspended the building
//nvm, can't think of anything
 
2011-05-17 04:43:38 AM  
What, you mean a doomsday cult that throughout its history has associated with thieves, murderers, rapists and child molesters is holding court with a morally reprehensible man?

I'm shocked. Completely shocked. Well not as shocked as those alter boys that were raped by the Pope's men or the boys who were also raped after the Pope's men were transferred to different churches rather than be reported to the police. Don't want such a wonderful, given and necessary institute such as the Catholic Church to face any consequences.

They just speak for "God" after all. Apparently God is all for raping little boys and murdering indiscriminately. Why else put a Nazi Youth in charge?
 
2011-05-17 04:51:01 AM  

Jamieboy: How could the Vatican be content to host such an ignominious figure?

Because they've been doing it for centuries. Non story.


Overzealous cleric.

/roll vs Wands
//feel so dirty
///you have a room I can clean up in?
////oh it's called a rectory
 
2011-05-17 04:53:38 AM  
Being raised Catholic, it's things like these that ae why I hate my family.
They have no idea about "their" :religion", yet the admonish others at times and claims to be pious.
 
2011-05-17 04:55:21 AM  
A man dies and goes to heaven. While he's waiting to get in, he sees all these signs for the various religionsof the world. Christian, Mormon, Buddhist, Muslim, etc. Then, off to his right he sees this great wall. It goes as high as he can see and as far in either direction he can see. A little while later St Peter shows up and says,"Welcome to heaven. Do you have any questions before we go in?" "Just one. I see all the signs for the various religions of the world, but what's with this big wall over here-". St Peter interrupts him, "SHH! Those are the Catholics. They think they're the only ones up here."
 
2011-05-17 05:00:45 AM  

Savage Belief: A man dies and goes to heaven. While he's waiting to get in, he sees all these signs for the various religionsof the world. Christian, Mormon, Buddhist, Muslim, etc. Then, off to his right he sees this great wall. It goes as high as he can see and as far in either direction he can see. A little while later St Peter shows up and says,"Welcome to heaven. Do you have any questions before we go in?" "Just one. I see all the signs for the various religions of the world, but what's with this big wall over here-". St Peter interrupts him, "SHH! Those are the Catholics. They think they're the only ones up here."


Well, since your joke mentioned Saint Peter, they would have to think that, right ?
 
2011-05-17 05:11:05 AM  

ninjakirby: Quickly, someone name the most recent enterprise the Catholic church has engaged in that wasn't socially maladjusted and toxic.

I will wait.


Sanitation?
 
2011-05-17 05:11:52 AM  
csb: Was raised Catholic; parents and grandparents super Catholics. Have a sister who is an ultra super Catholic who believes it's her divine duty to give birth to as many children (Catholics) as God will give her. My nieces and nephews would not recognize me if they saw me on the street because I see them so rarely. The point is, that none of these family members, whom I love and grew up with, would think anything less of their faith after reading about the blatant hypocrisy of the Catholic church. It's just a shame.

/I said "Catholic" a buncha times
 
2011-05-17 05:19:51 AM  

shivashakti: I really want to give the Vatican the benefit of the doubt


Mind if I ask why? What have they done recently to earn it?

Savage Belief: A man dies and goes to heaven. While he's waiting to get in, he sees all these signs for the various religionsof the world. Christian, Mormon, Buddhist, Muslim, etc. Then, off to his right he sees this great wall. It goes as high as he can see and as far in either direction he can see. A little while later St Peter shows up and says,"Welcome to heaven. Do you have any questions before we go in?" "Just one. I see all the signs for the various religions of the world, but what's with this big wall over here-". St Peter interrupts him, "SHH! Those are the Catholics. They think they're the only ones up here."


I've heard that joke before about Baptists and Mormons, but it doesn't really work for Catholics. They are one of the few religions that believes that non-believers can get into heaven.
 
2011-05-17 05:36:18 AM  

Gunther: shivashakti: I really want to give the Vatican the benefit of the doubt

Mind if I ask why? What have they done recently to earn it?

Savage Belief: A man dies and goes to heaven. While he's waiting to get in, he sees all these signs for the various religionsof the world. Christian, Mormon, Buddhist, Muslim, etc. Then, off to his right he sees this great wall. It goes as high as he can see and as far in either direction he can see. A little while later St Peter shows up and says,"Welcome to heaven. Do you have any questions before we go in?" "Just one. I see all the signs for the various religions of the world, but what's with this big wall over here-". St Peter interrupts him, "SHH! Those are the Catholics. They think they're the only ones up here."

I've heard that joke before about Baptists and Mormons, but it doesn't really work for Catholics. They are one of the few religions that believes that non-believers can get into heaven.


Have heard (csb) some folk say that everyone goes to heaven, just there is a better heaven for and that hell is just the worst part of heaven.
 
2011-05-17 05:39:14 AM  

Hand to the Face: Gunther: shivashakti: I really want to give the Vatican the benefit of the doubt

Mind if I ask why? What have they done recently to earn it?

Savage Belief: A man dies and goes to heaven. While he's waiting to get in, he sees all these signs for the various religionsof the world. Christian, Mormon, Buddhist, Muslim, etc. Then, off to his right he sees this great wall. It goes as high as he can see and as far in either direction he can see. A little while later St Peter shows up and says,"Welcome to heaven. Do you have any questions before we go in?" "Just one. I see all the signs for the various religions of the world, but what's with this big wall over here-". St Peter interrupts him, "SHH! Those are the Catholics. They think they're the only ones up here."

I've heard that joke before about Baptists and Mormons, but it doesn't really work for Catholics. They are one of the few religions that believes that non-believers can get into heaven.

Have heard (csb) some folk say that everyone goes to heaven, just there is a better heaven for (those who believe like them) and that hell is just the worst part of heaven.


/
//ftfm
///going to htmhell
 
2011-05-17 05:42:26 AM  
"And the devil`s greatest trick was to convince man he didn`t exist at all"

then he started the catholic church.....

/hell is other people.
 
2011-05-17 05:49:22 AM  
Well, one thing I learned from a childhood in the Baptist church is that who you believe in and align yourself with is more important than what you do, where your heart lies, and why. The Catholic church has illustrated this as well as anyone throughout the years. So, color me shocked now!
 
2011-05-17 06:05:26 AM  
Have heard (csb) some folk say that everyone goes to heaven, just there is a better heaven for (those who believe like them) and that hell is just the worst part of heaven.

/
//ftfm
///going to htmhell


Mormons believe that. For them, there are three levels of heaven: terrestrial, telestial, and celestial.

Hell (or what my Mormon friends called "the outer darkness") is reserved for people who accepted Jesus Christ as their personal lord and savior and then later rejected him.

/they're nice people, and their genealogy stuff is tops
//*sigh* but there's a reason I never told them I was gay
 
2011-05-17 06:17:30 AM  
 
2011-05-17 06:47:03 AM  
Well i totally forgot about the priest sex with kids stuff for a second, so there is that.
 
2011-05-17 07:01:53 AM  
The fifth Beatle?

John
Paul
George
Ringo
John Paul?

/Doesn't roll of the tongue.
//Like your Mom.
 
2011-05-17 07:11:57 AM  
Well it's not as if the Catholic Church is corrupt or anything ..........
 
2011-05-17 07:19:12 AM  
At this point it might be more reasonable to assume the Catholic Church is just trolling everyone.
 
2011-05-17 07:38:30 AM  
When the head of your church is a child molester protecting, vampire, Nazi you can pretty much do what ever you want I guess.
 
2011-05-17 07:42:29 AM  
From the linked article within TFA:

He then returned to Rome in 2008, travelling under the auspices of the United Nations (UN), for a summit of the UN's Food and Agriculture Organisation.

More on that fun (and superbly catered) meeting here.

So Mugabe starves his people and the UN invites him to a hunger summit...obviously, the Holy See is just being consistent with the UN's sterling example of the finest humanity has to offer.
 
2011-05-17 07:59:27 AM  

Gulper Eel: So Mugabe starves his people and the UN invites him to a hunger summit...obviously, the Holy See is just being consistent with the UN's sterling example of the finest humanity has to offer.


Criticizing the UN is so 2002. Like, they represent the world, and stuff.

/TNR's new editorial slogan: "Trolling. Duh."
//They invite Raul Castro and Hugo Chavez, too?
 
2011-05-17 08:10:16 AM  
If he gives them enough money, they'll make him a saint.

But heaven forbid some poor family uses birth control to avoid becoming completely destitue. That's a sin!
 
2011-05-17 08:42:22 AM  
"Only God who appointed me will remove me," Mugabe said in 2008, as he stole yet another election. "Even Romans 13 says leaders are appointed by God. I am an image of God, who appointed me to my current position."

You know, for a guy who quotes his Bible like this, you'd think he'd remember the part about "do not tempt the Lord thy God".
 
2011-05-17 09:07:10 AM  

shivashakti: WTF? You know, I really want to give the Vatican the benefit of the doubt sometimes but then they do sh*t like this.


Times like this I miss JPII, women and gay issues aside.

On the other hand, Ratzinger did finally get me out of the church once and for all, so there's that.

/agnostic humanist whatever now
 
2011-05-17 09:10:16 AM  
I cant recall which pope it was.. He denied Gravity saying that it "reduced God's control". Ironically he died when the building collapsed and the roof fell on him.

/Gavity 1
/God 0
 
2011-05-17 09:15:05 AM  
Perhaps we could convince Sarkozy to invade Italy and depose the pope.
 
2011-05-17 09:28:08 AM  

Gunther: Mind if I ask why? What have they done recently to earn it?


I want the Church to do the right thing. I respect and love the Church, despite having left it many years ago.
 
2011-05-17 09:30:04 AM  

shivashakti: Gunther: Mind if I ask why? What have they done recently to earn it?

I want the Church to do the right thing. I respect and love the Church, despite having left it many years ago.


not that I am asking you to defend your position, but how can you love a church that has done so much harm to society?
 
2011-05-17 09:30:30 AM  
People are surprised that Emperor Palpatine hangs with Robert Mugabe...why? Is Mugabe too penny-ante or something?
 
2011-05-17 09:51:52 AM  
www.global-air.com

(new window)
 
2011-05-17 10:35:20 AM  
FTA: Among the invited guests, sitting in the front row, no less, was Robert Mugabe, president-for-life of Zimbabwe, responsible for the deaths of untold thousands.


However, according to this BBC article, Mugabe was not personally invited, but could attend because he was a head of state.

Link (new window)

He still shouldn't have been there, but I had to pick out the author's error. His ambiguous wording makes it seem that Mugabe was invited.

/Slightly off topic
//Hates poor journalism
 
2011-05-17 10:43:56 AM  

Farker T: Dracula meets Blackula.


lmao.
 
2011-05-17 10:46:16 AM  

Hand to the Face: Have heard (csb) some folk say that everyone goes to heaven, just there is a better heaven for and that hell is just the worst part of heaven.


That theology doesn't quite work out. A heaven with no Catholics seems like it's the better part.
 
2011-05-17 10:56:59 AM  

ninjakirby: Quickly, someone name the most recent enterprise the Catholic church has engaged in that wasn't socially maladjusted and toxic.

I will wait.


To name two recent things off the top of my head...

How about the Catholic charity from the Fark link a week or two ago that provides compassionate, progressive harm-reduction care for alcoholics?

How about the clergy actually -in- Zimbabwe who are getting thrown under the bus for speaking out against Mugabe's atrocities?

I'm an atheist and not a particular fan of the Catholic Church, but to act as if they are incapable of any good is as naïve as being their unquestioning follower.
 
2011-05-17 11:02:00 AM  
To celebrate the beatification of Pope John Paul II...

Why are they beating John Paul II? Waste of time, IMHO.
1) He's dead and won't feel it.
2) He seemed nice.
 
2011-05-17 11:10:24 AM  

Inchoate: ninjakirby: Quickly, someone name the most recent enterprise the Catholic church has engaged in that wasn't socially maladjusted and toxic.

I will wait.

To name two recent things off the top of my head...

How about the Catholic charity from the Fark link a week or two ago that provides compassionate, progressive harm-reduction care for alcoholics?

How about the clergy actually -in- Zimbabwe who are getting thrown under the bus for speaking out against Mugabe's atrocities?

I'm an atheist and not a particular fan of the Catholic Church, but to act as if they are incapable of any good is as naïve as being their unquestioning follower.


The trick is to find something good that a religious person did that a secular person wouldnt be able to do.

/good people are good, etc
 
2011-05-17 11:11:08 AM  

Gulper Eel: So Mugabe starves his people and the UN invites him to a hunger summit...obviously, the Holy See is just being consistent with the UN's sterling example of the finest humanity has to offer.


img155.imageshack.us

Forget it, they're on a roll. Don't interrupt them with facts.


cbackous: I cant recall which pope it was.. He denied Gravity saying that it "reduced God's control". Ironically he died when the building collapsed and the roof fell on him.


[pics or it didn't happen]


planes: imageshack.us Eppur si muove myth (new window)



The Galileo myth was adopted by the French Enlightenment to discredit the Catholic Church. Their first choice for martyr was Isaac Newton. Unfortunately, Newton was a religious fanatic in their eyes. So they picked Galileo instead and rewrote significant aspects of his biography (like the obvious fact that he was religious) so as to make the Church the darkest of villains.

The reality.....
After Galileo went back to Padua, the leading scientific mediocrities started complaining. It was the scientists who said that challenging Aristotle was heresy - not the Church. Secular Academics enlisted the aid of the Dominicans to denounce Galileo.

Ref: Robert Nisbet, PhD, founder of the Department of Sociology at U.C. Berkeley
Prejudices : a Philosophical Dictionary
Harvard University Press, 1983
http://www.worldcat.org/isbn/067470066X
 
2011-05-17 11:32:21 AM  

cbackous: The trick is to find something good that a religious person did that a secular person wouldnt be able to do.

/good people are good, etc


So...you would contend that the Methodist Church isn't a good relief organization because the Red Cross and the US Marines also exist? I'm not buying it. They're all good organizations, because they all do good things.

The Catholic church, it's hard to say. They do good things and bad things. I'm not sure which side outweighs the other.
 
2011-05-17 11:45:43 AM  

James Harrison will taste Manflesh: cbackous: The trick is to find something good that a religious person did that a secular person wouldnt be able to do.

/good people are good, etc

So...you would contend that the Methodist Church isn't a good relief organization because the Red Cross and the US Marines also exist? I'm not buying it. They're all good organizations, because they all do good things.

The Catholic church, it's hard to say. They do good things and bad things. I'm not sure which side outweighs the other.


No. Religious groups can (and do) do good things. However, history has shown that religion has resulted in alot of bad things. (justified by religious beliefs)

The good things that religious groups do, can just as easily be done by secular groups. Secular groups would have a hard time doing bad things and justifying them.
 
2011-05-17 12:01:33 PM  

fenianfark: FTA: Among the invited guests, sitting in the front row, no less, was Robert Mugabe, president-for-life of Zimbabwe, responsible for the deaths of untold thousands.


However, according to this BBC article, Mugabe was not personally invited, but could attend because he was a head of state.

Link (new window)

He still shouldn't have been there, but I had to pick out the author's error. His ambiguous wording makes it seem that Mugabe was invited.

/Slightly off topic
//Hates poor journalism


You're a good man, feinanfark. I wish to favorite you as a token of gratitude.
 
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