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(Yahoo)   Ex-Afghan spy chief says he knew where Bin Laden was four years ago but couldn't get Pakistani officials to listen to him. Hey genius, next time how about dropping a dime to the AMERICANS, I guarantee you they'd have been all ears   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 52
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2011-05-16 08:45:24 AM
Yeah maybe, not sure George W and Cheney would have gone after him though.....
 
2011-05-16 09:16:12 AM
I'm sure the americans knew where he was the whole time and just held off and killed him when they were done with taking the oil from the middle east as a coverup. duh
stupid subbyy
 
2011-05-16 09:19:15 AM

Baggins: Yeah maybe, not sure George W and Cheney would have gone after him though.....


Maybe so, but probably not for any conspiratorial reasons. The Bush administration seemed hesitant to upset Pakistan. Obama decided fark them and here we are.
 
2011-05-16 09:45:51 AM
upload.wikimedia.org
ALL EARS, eh?
 
2011-05-16 09:49:16 AM
What an Afghan may look like

www.wardi.dk
 
2011-05-16 09:49:59 AM
Bush and Cheney had no interest in going into Pakistan. Hide and seek is easy when you know where "it" won't look.
 
2011-05-16 09:52:30 AM
Maybe Pakistan didn't want to listen?
 
2011-05-16 09:54:59 AM
you mean like how the US govt was all ears over the 9-11 warnings before 9-11?
 
2011-05-16 09:56:05 AM
The document is about Bin Ladin, we killed Bin Laden - totally different guy.
 
2011-05-16 09:56:53 AM
The Pakistan government ignored him because they already knew.
 
HBK
2011-05-16 09:58:40 AM

choo: ALL EARS, eh?


Did you actually read that document?
 
2011-05-16 10:00:17 AM
This is old news. Very old news. What's going on with the fark admins.
 
2011-05-16 10:00:47 AM
I have a hunch that dropping a dime to the US would be a less than brilliant career move.
 
2011-05-16 10:01:10 AM

Kirk's_Toupee: you mean like how the US govt was all ears over the 9-11 warnings before 9-11?


But we are talking about Pakistan here. All they know about is 7-11.
 
2011-05-16 10:02:01 AM

choo: ALL EARS, eh?


You're talking pre-Sept 11, and the liberal demi-god Bill was in office. You know, the one that farked up time and time again to get him for nearly a decade?

Post Sept 11, Bush wanted him bad. We knew back in 2002 he likely was in Pakistan. By the time he took us to Iraq, anyone with half a brain and knowledge of what was really going on in Afghanistan knew that Bin Laden was no longer anything more than a symbolic figurehead. A face for the movement. That's it. We needed (and still need) Paki cooperation for ongoing ops in Afghan, and to try to get the rest of the farkers that ARE in Pakistan. Yes, Obama got him while Bush obviously didn't. I'm glad Obama finally completed that one small task (OBL shouldn't have lived to see 2002 IMO).

In doing so he's completely farked up our relations with a huge number of countries in an order of magnitude far greated than whatever even the most idiotic of liberal bush haters CLAIM he did.

BTW, I love how morons still think Iraq and Afghanistan are still about oil. Where's all the farkin OIL?!?!?!
 
2011-05-16 10:04:50 AM
OK, I'm getting mixed up here. Which Bush conspiratorial talking point are we on this week? Is it the one where Bush wanted to get bin Laden and knew where he was, but was waiting for an "October Surprise" to actually grab him so as to help the GOP at election time... or the one where Bush didn't care about getting bin Laden because he was too useful as a bogeyman? I need to cherry-pick my references carefully.
 
2011-05-16 10:05:31 AM
If he'd dropped us a dime, we'd have dropped him a cool $25 mil.
 
2011-05-16 10:07:21 AM

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: OK, I'm getting mixed up here. Which Bush conspiratorial talking point are we on this week? Is it the one where Bush wanted to get bin Laden and knew where he was, but was waiting for an "October Surprise" to actually grab him so as to help the GOP at election time... or the one where Bush didn't care about getting bin Laden because he was too useful as a bogeyman? I need to cherry-pick my references carefully.


You are supposed to be confused. That's how it works.
 
2011-05-16 10:07:33 AM

NumberFiveIsAlive: You're talking pre-Sept 11, and the liberal demi-god Bill was in office.


this is what republicans actually believe. *facepalm*
 
2011-05-16 10:09:32 AM

NumberFiveIsAlive:
BTW, I love how morons still think Iraq and Afghanistan are still about oil. Where's all the farkin OIL?!?!?!


You mean to say that the fact that this plan did not succeed in bringing us cheap oil proves that it wasn't the idea?

That's rather circuitous logic.
 
2011-05-16 10:10:29 AM

NumberFiveIsAlive: choo: ALL EARS, eh?

You're talking pre-Sept 11, and the liberal demi-god Bill was in office. You know, the one that farked up time and time again to get him for nearly a decade?

Post Sept 11, Bush wanted him bad. We knew back in 2002 he likely was in Pakistan. By the time he took us to Iraq, anyone with half a brain and knowledge of what was really going on in Afghanistan knew that Bin Laden was no longer anything more than a symbolic figurehead. A face for the movement. That's it. We needed (and still need) Paki cooperation for ongoing ops in Afghan, and to try to get the rest of the farkers that ARE in Pakistan. Yes, Obama got him while Bush obviously didn't. I'm glad Obama finally completed that one small task (OBL shouldn't have lived to see 2002 IMO).

In doing so he's completely farked up our relations with a huge number of countries in an order of magnitude far greated than whatever even the most idiotic of liberal bush haters CLAIM he did.

BTW, I love how morons still think Iraq and Afghanistan are still about oil. Where's all the farkin OIL?!?!?!


You don't know what you're talking about.

Bush never intended to go after Bin Laden. Iraq was always his focus.

The only reason Clinton failed to get Bin Laden was because the ISI tipped him off before out cruise missile strike.

Link (new window)
 
2011-05-16 10:13:41 AM

tankjr: The only reason Clinton failed to get Bin Laden was because the ISI tipped him off before out cruise missile strike.


We also had far less reason to go after him in those days. I'm pretty sure that had Clinton known 9/11 would happen he'd have put a bigger effort into it.

/Captain hindsight, awaaaayyyyy!!!
 
2011-05-16 10:16:30 AM
From the 60 Minutes episode last night -
"And according to Saleh, the biggest problem is that Pakistan gives safe haven to Taliban leaders. "The senior Taliban leaders, we would learn about their locations every day. We would have their telephone numbers," he told Logan.

He told Logan that those telephone numbers were passed on to the U.S.

Saleh says many of those numbers were traced to Quetta, Pakistan, where the Taliban's senior leaders, known as the Quetta Shura, are based.

Saleh told Logan no action was ever taken against the Quetta Shura.

"The U.S. could have taken action against senior Taliban leadership...," Logan remarked.

"They can take action tomorrow against ...," Saleh replied.

"They still can?" Logan asked.

"Of course," Saleh said.

"And they don't?" Logan asked.

"They don't," he replied. "That's why I say the surge is not addressing the fundamental question. What do you do with sanctuaries in Pakistan?"

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/13/60minutes/main20062650.shtml#ixzz1MWbN 0bWj
 
2011-05-16 10:22:00 AM
The Bin Ladens are Bush family friends. You don't kill your friends kid.
 
2011-05-16 10:27:04 AM
And there's the matter of the $25,000,000 bonus you'd receive...
 
2011-05-16 10:30:51 AM

Feral_and_Preposterous: And there's the matter of the $25,000,000 bonus you'd receive...


Before tax, so really like $386.14 - which would barely cover meals.
 
2011-05-16 10:33:03 AM
I seem to remember a certain quote by a certain man who was president at the time indicating a certain lack of interest on the whereabouts of a certain most-wanted terrorist.

My memory may be faulty, though.
 
2011-05-16 10:34:45 AM
...TRANSLATION: "The Americans wouldn't pay me big bucks for information that I didn't actually have."
 
2011-05-16 10:37:58 AM
My wife's hairstylist knew where he was too, but nobody would listen to her either.
 
2011-05-16 10:44:00 AM
Hey, have confidence in the CIA. It's a safe bet that CIA had a line on anything Pakistani intelligence knew. If ISI knew where OBL was hiding, the State Department told them not to act on it.
 
2011-05-16 10:51:35 AM

nekom: tankjr: The only reason Clinton failed to get Bin Laden was because the ISI tipped him off before out cruise missile strike.

We also had far less reason to go after him in those days. I'm pretty sure that had Clinton known 9/11 would happen he'd have put a bigger effort into it.

/Captain hindsight, awaaaayyyyy!!!


a half-dozen cruise missiles at a million a pop to take out one guy counts as a pretty spectacular effort in my book. His miracle escape for that strike always stunk to high heaven to me. But then again, seeing as how the ISI created the Taliban, is anyone really surprised at the news that they protected Bin laden too?
 
2011-05-16 10:55:38 AM

URAPNIS: Kirk's_Toupee: you mean like how the US govt was all ears over the 9-11 warnings before 9-11?

But we are talking about Pakistan here. All they know about is 7-11.


Nice.

And that's racist.
 
2011-05-16 10:56:01 AM

HBK: Did you actually read that document?


I know who didn't! (Hint: He was president of the US at the time)
 
2011-05-16 10:56:09 AM

NumberFiveIsAlive: You're talking pre-Sept 11, and the liberal demi-god Bill was in office. You know, the one that farked up time and time again to get him for nearly a decade?


That very, very far from the truth. The US had pretty much one opportunity to get bin Laden, and that was right before he was expelled from Sudan in May of 1995. The Sudanese Defense minister allegedly (and I say allegedly because the 9/11 Commission found no evidence of this and the person the offer was allegedly made to, the US Ambassador to Sudan denied it) offered to give bin Laden to the US if charges were brought against him. The US then allegedly said no.

Now, even if that were true the first time that anyone in the US intelligence community heard the name "al-Qaeda" and about the network of training camps and sleeper cells was November, 1995 when interrogating an al-Qaeda member who turned state's evidence because he stole $100,000 from bin Laden--six months later. Until then, they thought bin Laden was a wealthy financier of terrorism, not the man behind the curtain.

The only other time the US had a potential opportunity to get bin Laden was during Operation Infinite Reach when the US fired Tomahawk cruise missiles at his training camps in Afghanistan after the embassy bombings. Bin Laden escaped death only because he went to Kabul instead of Khost, where intelligence said he'd be.

Why yes, I did finish reading The Looming Tower yesterday.
 
2011-05-16 10:56:33 AM

Magorn: a half-dozen cruise missiles at a million a pop to take out one guy counts as a pretty spectacular effort in my book. His miracle escape for that strike always stunk to high heaven to me. But then again, seeing as how the ISI created the Taliban, is anyone really surprised at the news that they protected Bin laden too?


Anyone can narrowly avert an explosion through sheer dumb luck. Such luck doesn't seem to ever come up when a SEAL team shows up for a visit.
 
2011-05-16 11:02:26 AM

choo: HBK: Did you actually read that document?

I know who didn't! (Hint: He was president of the US at the time)


Even if he had, the pissing contest between the CIA and the FBI and the NSA meant that everyone had one piece of the puzzle but no one could put them together. Hearing that bin Laden was determined to strike in the US is fine and dandy, but when the CIA is sitting on the evidence that the mastermind of the USS Cole bombing was seen with two al-Qaeda operatives right before they came to the US while the FBI is simultaneously looking for those same two operatives, not realizing they were in the country, how are you going to put 2 and 2 together?
 
2011-05-16 11:03:56 AM
Ok; everyone say it with me.

The united states was waving around billions of dollars, like a monkey in the zoo waving its private parts.

Your pakistan; you are dirt poor; one step away from using cow pies as a national currency. Your fancy american friend says, "I'll give you $10 million for information about obl"

Do you:
A) refuse the money; and hand over obl because he's a mass murderer and he's threatened your country

B) take the money; and hand over obl; because it's the right thing to do; and you want the $10 million

Or

C) take the money; never hand over obl; and take money for the next 10 years; and tell your fancy american friend some b.s. about caves. And with the money; you build your nuke program; because you hate india
 
2011-05-16 11:08:10 AM
So someone shop glasses on the guy and caption it "You just heard where bin Laden is?"
 
2011-05-16 11:15:33 AM
Now that bin Laden has been found EVERYONE knew where he was for the past four years.

/hindsight
//20
///20
 
2011-05-16 11:27:00 AM
I did have a big argument typed up to counter all those who have picked up my previous posts, but since my browser reset and I LOST it all and I don't want to re-type it, I'll just reply with a general:

NUH UH! I'M A SUPER SECRIT SPEC-OPS MARINE CORPSE SOLDIER WITH ACCESS TO CLASSIFIED ABOVE TOP SECRIT AND YOU'RE WRONG!!!!

/That's actually kinda fun
 
2011-05-16 11:28:32 AM
Subby: you, sir, are a racist!

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-05-16 11:37:35 AM

nekom: Magorn: a half-dozen cruise missiles at a million a pop to take out one guy counts as a pretty spectacular effort in my book. His miracle escape for that strike always stunk to high heaven to me. But then again, seeing as how the ISI created the Taliban, is anyone really surprised at the news that they protected Bin laden too?

Anyone can narrowly avert an explosion through sheer dumb luck. Such luck doesn't seem to ever come up when a SEAL team shows up for a visit.


I don;t know this for a fact but I know a lot about the cruise missiles since my dad worked on designing them when I was growing up. I would lay money that the Tomahawks fired at Bin Laden's training camp weren't the standard 1,000lb bullpup warhead configuration, but rather the sub-munitions warhead. Each of those can drop six independently targeted "sub-munition" packs about the size of a six pack of beer. Each of the packs include an explosive charge, followed by something much a like a claymore mine, followed by an incendiary charge (projectiles are designed to penetrate fuel tanks and suchlike and then the incendiary lights it all on fire). After all six packs have been dropped the Tomahawk can be set to to a "terminal dive" on a hard target using any of it's remaining jet fuel as an explosive.

Six of those (dropping 36 munition packs total) over his training camp would have turned the place into a killing ground. If he'd been anywhere inside he wouldn't have made it out.
 
2011-05-16 11:38:17 AM
Fat chance.

There were about 300 people in the world who knew where he was, but we didn't want to do anything about it until Obamavich was down in the polls and needed a good publicity stunt.

If they had taken him alive and he had started blabbing everything he knew, there would have been hell to pay.
 
2011-05-16 12:04:04 PM

Magorn: Six of those (dropping 36 munition packs total) over his training camp would have turned the place into a killing ground. If he'd been anywhere inside he wouldn't have made it out.


Probably not, but all he'd need is 5 minutes warning.
 
2011-05-16 12:26:28 PM

NumberFiveIsAlive: choo: ALL EARS, eh?

You're talking pre-Sept 11, and the liberal demi-god Bill was in office. You know, the one that farked up time and time again to get him for nearly a decade?

Post Sept 11, Bush wanted him bad. We knew back in 2002 he likely was in Pakistan. By the time he took us to Iraq, anyone with half a brain and knowledge of what was really going on in Afghanistan knew that Bin Laden was no longer anything more than a symbolic figurehead. A face for the movement. That's it. We needed (and still need) Paki cooperation for ongoing ops in Afghan, and to try to get the rest of the farkers that ARE in Pakistan. Yes, Obama got him while Bush obviously didn't. I'm glad Obama finally completed that one small task (OBL shouldn't have lived to see 2002 IMO).

In doing so he's completely farked up our relations with a huge number of countries in an order of magnitude far greated than whatever even the most idiotic of liberal bush haters CLAIM he did.

BTW, I love how morons still think Iraq and Afghanistan are still about oil. Where's all the farkin OIL?!?!?!


Bill Clinton at least kept trying to kill him while Bush gave up in 2002 according to his own words.
 
2011-05-16 12:41:59 PM

deadcrickets: NumberFiveIsAlive: choo: ALL EARS, eh?

You're talking pre-Sept 11, and the liberal demi-god Bill was in office. You know, the one that farked up time and time again to get him for nearly a decade?

Post Sept 11, Bush wanted him bad. We knew back in 2002 he likely was in Pakistan. By the time he took us to Iraq, anyone with half a brain and knowledge of what was really going on in Afghanistan knew that Bin Laden was no longer anything more than a symbolic figurehead. A face for the movement. That's it. We needed (and still need) Paki cooperation for ongoing ops in Afghan, and to try to get the rest of the farkers that ARE in Pakistan. Yes, Obama got him while Bush obviously didn't. I'm glad Obama finally completed that one small task (OBL shouldn't have lived to see 2002 IMO).

In doing so he's completely farked up our relations with a huge number of countries in an order of magnitude far greated than whatever even the most idiotic of liberal bush haters CLAIM he did.

BTW, I love how morons still think Iraq and Afghanistan are still about oil. Where's all the farkin OIL?!?!?!

Bill Clinton at least kept trying to kill him while Bush gave up in 2002 according to his own words.


Bill Clinton "tried" but not really. He actually had several opportunities to get him, including having some afghan rebels kill him with the aid of a couple CIA officers. At just about the last minute, Bill called it off because he didn't think the rebels could do it. The rebels in fact wanted to do it, and the tactics they were planning on using were the exact same ambush tactics they used time and time again on the Soviets. They didn't carry it out anyway, because they didn't want to lose the money the CIA was giving them in cooperation.

Bush gave up because he was no longer in a country that we needed for anything. He was in Pakistan, which we did and still need for various reasons. Kinda like the evil harpy wife you keep around because she does at least SOME of the things you need her for.

/I don't wanna see THAT alimony bill
 
2011-05-16 12:49:31 PM

NumberFiveIsAlive: deadcrickets: NumberFiveIsAlive: choo: ALL EARS, eh?

You're talking pre-Sept 11, and the liberal demi-god Bill was in office. You know, the one that farked up time and time again to get him for nearly a decade?

Post Sept 11, Bush wanted him bad. We knew back in 2002 he likely was in Pakistan. By the time he took us to Iraq, anyone with half a brain and knowledge of what was really going on in Afghanistan knew that Bin Laden was no longer anything more than a symbolic figurehead. A face for the movement. That's it. We needed (and still need) Paki cooperation for ongoing ops in Afghan, and to try to get the rest of the farkers that ARE in Pakistan. Yes, Obama got him while Bush obviously didn't. I'm glad Obama finally completed that one small task (OBL shouldn't have lived to see 2002 IMO).

In doing so he's completely farked up our relations with a huge number of countries in an order of magnitude far greated than whatever even the most idiotic of liberal bush haters CLAIM he did.

BTW, I love how morons still think Iraq and Afghanistan are still about oil. Where's all the farkin OIL?!?!?!

Bill Clinton at least kept trying to kill him while Bush gave up in 2002 according to his own words.

Bill Clinton "tried" but not really. He actually had several opportunities to get him, including having some afghan rebels kill him with the aid of a couple CIA officers. At just about the last minute, Bill called it off because he didn't think the rebels could do it. The rebels in fact wanted to do it, and the tactics they were planning on using were the exact same ambush tactics they used time and time again on the Soviets. They didn't carry it out anyway, because they didn't want to lose the money the CIA was giving them in cooperation.

Bush gave up because he was no longer in a country that we needed for anything. He was in Pakistan, which we did and still need for various reasons. Kinda like the evil harpy wife you keep around because she does at least SOME of the things you need her for.

/I don't wanna see THAT alimony bill


Citation needed. Sorry, I'm Libertarian and I'd like to see the proof of the Bill Clinton statements.
 
2011-05-16 01:35:05 PM

NumberFiveIsAlive: WHARGARBLE


That there is some fine trollin', son.
 
2011-05-16 03:03:53 PM
www.perfectpeople.net

I'm all ears
 
2011-05-16 05:17:43 PM
as a genius trying to tell people an important truth, i got a kick out of that headline.
 
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