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(Oregon Live)   It turns out the mother who claimed her daughters lived in constant medical peril and got a free house from "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition" out of it may have been lying   (oregonlive.com) divider line 157
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2011-05-15 10:56:13 PM  

joe not appearing in this picture: We need the good old days where we could work at a fast food joint flipping burgers and the bank would give you a huge loan to buy a big house. Oh wait that didn't work did it?


If a bank gives such a person a loan, then the bank deserves to be screwed and go out of business.

And no, you ass, the housing collapse was not caused by poor people, no matter what you want to believe.
 
2011-05-15 10:57:00 PM  

Turfshoe: I really want to see a "where are they now?" episode revisiting the families a year later.

How many of the houses have been sold or repossessed?


Yeah, one big problem is the taxes. If someone gives you a house, don't you have to report it as income? That's why you never really want to win a car or something -- most people will just have to sell it -- so the prize might as well just be cash to avoid the hassle.
 
2011-05-15 10:58:47 PM  

Dr. Nick Riviera: During my pediatrics rotation I had to deal with a mother who was obsessed with the idea that her daughter had neurocysticercosis. The kid was 100% fine. I wanted to smack the mom.


FTA - Is it even possible to both:
1. have Primary Immune Deficiency Disease, and
2. Be susceptible to auto-immune disorders
?

Also, slight threadjack since there's a Dr. in the house -
what would the diagnosis be if a patient came into a psych walk-in with a fistful of paperwork and said, "I have Munchausen's syndrome - see, here's all my records from other psychs"?
 
2011-05-15 10:59:12 PM  

jabelar: Turfshoe: I really want to see a "where are they now?" episode revisiting the families a year later.

How many of the houses have been sold or repossessed?

Yeah, one big problem is the taxes. If someone gives you a house, don't you have to report it as income? That's why you never really want to win a car or something -- most people will just have to sell it -- so the prize might as well just be cash to avoid the hassle.


No, that's why YOU don't really want to win a car or something, you are poor. I will take a free car any day of the week.
 
2011-05-15 11:00:42 PM  

jabelar: Turfshoe: I really want to see a "where are they now?" episode revisiting the families a year later.

How many of the houses have been sold or repossessed?

Yeah, one big problem is the taxes. If someone gives you a house, don't you have to report it as income? That's why you never really want to win a car or something -- most people will just have to sell it -- so the prize might as well just be cash to avoid the hassle.


Thats the reason why a lot of contests involving a car giveaway often have a cash option if you don't want the car. If you do the taxes and fees to register it are due before you can take possession.

Its part of the reason why game shows like the Price is Right always gave them away. Many people would probably take the cash. To cover the taxes on all the other stuff they won. Sure the cash is taxable also, but there should be enough left to cover the taxes on the other prizes they won.

And usually the cash award is way less than the actual car. I know there was a local contest here recently where the car they gave away was 60 grand, but if you wanted cash it was only 25 grand.
 
2011-05-15 11:01:32 PM  

fanbladesaresharp: FTA it says their old Vegas home was filled with mold...mold is a problem in Vegas? Is anything there even old enough in 4% humidity to grow mold?


You never heard of dry rot?
 
2011-05-15 11:02:48 PM  

rudemix: People lie in reality and that made it to reality tv? Shocking.


www.tvchannelsfree.com
 
2011-05-15 11:03:24 PM  

darkscout: Zoomaster: More and more are turning out to be frauds. Just like the family that kicked out all the foster kids as soon as they got the new house.

And more and more are being put into this situation:
They said they couldn't afford the increased cost of operating the larger home. By fall 2009, the house was for sale and the family moved to Oregon, where the parents that television producers found so compelling came under scrutiny.

How about building them something reasonable.


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On Easter Sunday 2005, ABC's Extreme Makeover Home Edition aired an especially poignant episode. Five children, ages 14-21, from the Higgins family were orphaned. A couple from their church, with three children of their own, took them in. The result was 10 people living in cramped quarters.

The show finds families like these and, in the course of a week, rebuilds their home from scratch. The process is edited into a one-hour episode. In the beginning, we are told the tale of woe in as heart-tugging a fashion as possible. Also factoring prominently in every beginning segment are the horrible living conditions and the heroic nature of the people who are flourishing despite the hardship. Then the family is whisked off to a vacation, the house is razed and rebuilt, and the ending segment is the presentation of the house to the always overwhelmed family.

The ending segment is designed to be as heart-tugging as the first. The rebuilt home is always astonishingly beautiful and completely furnished. In the Easter Sunday special, the rebuilt home had nine bedrooms, including one for each child. The show also paid off the mortgage.

The Higgins' happy ending did not last. The family that took them in asked them to leave the beautiful nine-bedroom home because it did not belong to the Higgins.


The eldest child, Charles Higgins, who is also legal guardian for the minor children, contacted the producers of Extreme Makeover: Home Edition, who could not help. Apparently the 24-page single spaced contract did not give the Higgins any right to the home built as a result of their tragedy. It did, however, give ABC the rights to their story and the episode was broadcast complete with happy ending after the Higgins children were already evicted.

/Now I am going to bed, 3:45 comes early
 
2011-05-15 11:04:13 PM  

jst3p: Approves:


Can't believe it took this long to get the Sixth Sense reference in here.

Also:

api.ning.com
 
2011-05-15 11:05:20 PM  

lionfish: mephisto6: ZeroCorpse
You know what sucks about that show? They only help people who ALREADY OWN A HOUSE by GIVING THEM A BETTER F♥CKING HOUSE!

What about us apartment dwellers that can't even get a house these days?...

You know what, I sold my house in CA to move here for a job deal. Sold that house a year later to move closer to the office and now I'm in a 3-bedroom apt. It's a little over-sized, but I like having one for sleeping, one for guests, and an office. Fraction of the cost of a house in Scottsdale too, and I get an overlook of the pool with room on the balcony to grow some herbs, billiards room, indoor basketball, weight room, media center...
Where was I going... oh yeah - apartments aren't all that bad! Especially when you can text the office to change a flippin' light-bulb ;)

/doughnuts and juice at the gates on Fridays!

Who is your property management company? Sounds like someone I used to work for.

Also, i've worked for extreme make over, so I'm getting a kick...


Pillar Communities. They just added carpet cleaning (free) and masseuse (not free) on this year's lease. So thanks for that, if you were involved..

What part of the show were you involved in?
 
2011-05-15 11:05:32 PM  
To me, it's telling that the children seem to WANT to have their disorders. Most children would love any diagnosis refuting their problem, and be like normal kids, while these seem proud of and protective of their label.
 
2011-05-15 11:05:38 PM  

Gyrfalcon: fanbladesaresharp: FTA it says their old Vegas home was filled with mold...mold is a problem in Vegas? Is anything there even old enough in 4% humidity to grow mold?

You never heard of dry rot?


Plus, Vegas isn't 110 and dry in the winter. They don't get much rain, but that doesn't mean they don't get humidity. And if the house was built "too tight" because they want to try to keep the summer heat out, that means the condensation made by pots on the stove, the showers, etc if not properly vented, goes into the drywall and promotes mold growth.

Thats why although you want to wrap your walls with a vapor barrier, you don't want things so airtight that the humidity outside is 5% but inside its 20% (or worse) because nothing can get out....
 
2011-05-15 11:05:42 PM  

Zoomaster: Bathia_Mapes: I wasn't at all surprised that they suspect Munchausen by proxy.

That being said, I hope this doesn't deter Extreme Makeover: Home Edition from helping truly deserving families.

----------

More and more are turning out to be frauds. Just like the family that kicked out all the foster kids as soon as they got the new house.


Or the one here who is directly related to the wealthy family who funded the public library addition and part of the performing arts center and who send their kids to SLC for private music lessons and who claimed they were living in a trailer when they lived in a townhouse up the hill and the trailer showed up a few weeks before the show was confirmed. Now they have a gigantic blue monstrosity plunked in the middle of a historic neighborhood.
 
2011-05-15 11:08:36 PM  
ABC has started a followup on this to air during the November sweeps rating period. "Extreme Makeover- State lockup" and "CSI- Fraud Squad" follow the family through the judicial system and incarceration.
 
2011-05-15 11:13:56 PM  
StopLurkListen: That show is creepy and seems like the least efficient, and maximally cynical way to help people. "I just love being able to GIVE BACK with Tyvek(tm) sheetrock and Behr Home Paints."

Not to mention that they now have a house that costs WAY more in utilities, taxes and insurance than their previous home.

"Congratulations! You've got a free house!"

"But if we couldn't afford a new house, how will we afford the utilities and taxes for it?"

"Uhhh...Look over there! A pie!" *runs away*
 
2011-05-15 11:14:35 PM  

ghare: joe not appearing in this picture: We need the good old days where we could work at a fast food joint flipping burgers and the bank would give you a huge loan to buy a big house. Oh wait that didn't work did it?

If a bank gives such a person a loan, then the bank deserves to be screwed and go out of business.

And no, you ass, the housing collapse was not caused by poor people, no matter what you want to believe.


What's with you? Never said it was. First, take a joke pal. Second, it didn't help the banks GAVE OUT loans with no regard to common sense.
 
2011-05-15 11:16:04 PM  

Sliding Carp: FTA - Is it even possible to both:
1. have Primary Immune Deficiency Disease, and
2. Be susceptible to auto-immune disorders
?

Also, slight threadjack since there's a Dr. in the house -
what would the diagnosis be if a patient came into a psych walk-in with a fistful of paperwork and said, "I have Munchausen's syndrome - see, here's all my records from other psychs"?


It's impossible to say, because Primary Immune Deficiency Disease is not a diagnosis. It is a blanket term for a group of disorders. Saying that someone has Primary Immune Deficiency Disease is roughly akin to saying someone has Respiratory Disease. It gives you a vague description but doesn't tell you what the problem actually is.

As for the latter, it really depends on why the person is walking into the ED, whether or not they think their symptoms are real, and what they hope to gain from it. If they know that they are not sick but are trying to get admitted to the hospital to assume the sick role, they have factitious disorder. If they know that they are not sick and are looking for secondary gain (like to get free food or avoid the cops), they are malingering. There are a bunch of variations and I don't feel like typing them all out.
 
2011-05-15 11:16:24 PM  
I like the show where they remodeled peoples trailer homes
 
2011-05-15 11:17:55 PM  

Dr. Nick Riviera: As for the latter, it really depends on why the person is walking into the ED,


I think you missed a joke, the answer would be a diagnosis of Munchausen's by proxy (the proxy being the other doctors who diagnosed him).
 
2011-05-15 11:18:15 PM  

icam: Bathia_Mapes: That being said, I hope this doesn't deter Extreme Makeover: Home Edition from helping truly deserving families.

I haven't seen the show in a really long time but on the last episode that I watched they had built a needy family a large house with highly specific (to their interests) bedrooms that seemed like they would make the house really difficult to sell in the future without extensive renovations.

It's nice to see such families get a house makeover but I can't help but think that it might screw them over eventually.

/I say this without knowing exactly how they are provided for financially as far as the house and payments go


We all screw up our homes to the best of our ability in an effort to reflect our personal tastes. Tell me you haven't painted a room some variation of plumb, red, violet, pink, or this year's fad color, yellow. Maybe you got hooked on fung-she, country, or Tuscany. We do these things to our home because it's what keeps us happy or comfortable. What limits how extensive we modify is the limitations of our spending.

About the only time our "common sense" decorating sense kicks in is about the time we decide to sell our house.

The purpose of this make over is to tailor the home to the family's needs and personality- not give it a remodel so they can unload it after th cameras are shut off.

The renovation process which these homes undergo severely drive up the tax burden its occupants are required to pay. Knowing this, there is probably some sort of provision made to offset the costs made between the show's producers and the tax collection agents.

I'm not sure why the hate here. Someone mentioned that there was an excessive amount of promoting for certain brand names- WTF, did it ever occur to you that these companies hand over an ungodly amout of materiel during these renovations and an occasional pitch is not too much to ask for in return.

What these people do to help is a good thing. Not having to worry about the condition/safety of your dwelling is probably a huge bonus to some of these people who for the most part, seem to have gotten the shorter end of life's stick.
 
2011-05-15 11:19:02 PM  

Setion: To me, it's telling that the children seem to WANT to have their disorders. Most children would love any diagnosis refuting their problem, and be like normal kids, while these seem proud of and protective of their label.


If it's their best/only way to get attention from their mother, I'm not surprised they'd hang on to the labels for dear life. Once they're no longer serving as valuable props for Mom's dramatics, what use will they be to her? The fallout from this is going to be epic - something tells me their mother isn't thinking ahead to when her daughters are forty and so messed up in the head that they can't hold down jobs or live independently.

I've known a few people whose children have had very serious diagnoses, some of them terminal. Any of them would have given everything they had to find out that their child would be all right after all. The kind of attention-whoring the mother in the article is engaged in is just disgusting. She has NO idea.
 
2011-05-15 11:19:03 PM  

Onkel Buck: I like the show where they remodeled peoples trailer "homes"


FTFM
 
2011-05-15 11:20:15 PM  
gadian: Yeah, take struggling, dysfunctional families and just give them a huge house with huge property taxes because that'll solve all their problems. Instead of, you know, maybe paying some medical bills, hiring a therapist, or even a financial advisor to help them live within their means.


Sensible ideas don't create ratings.
 
2011-05-15 11:22:21 PM  
Headline: "... may have been lying"

If she "may", then she has permission, so no problem, right?

Of course not. The word is "might" when you mean it's possible. Why the fark is everyone doing this now? I guess saying you "may not go", or "you may not smoke" has fallen out of favour and is being replaced by "can't".

Our society seems infatuated with the feminine "a" sounds (as ending every other damned car model name in the last decade in that letter). It reflects a more passive tone in general. So, it looks like the harder edged "might" will lose out to "may", in terms of the possible, and the sense of permission will fall to "can" and "can't".

It all blows goats but it seems as unstoppable as it is false, at this point. I think people feel it adds a touch more "form" to their speech. In fact, like so many things, it is mere affect.
 
2011-05-15 11:22:58 PM  
I can't help but wonder what happens to their lives when the news article comes out in the local rag and the entire town in which they live reads it. How do you go on from there?
 
2011-05-15 11:23:01 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: I wasn't at all surprised that they suspect Munchausen by proxy.

That being said, I hope this doesn't deter Extreme Makeover: Home Edition from helping truly deserving families.


That being said is annoying. Please stop.
 
2011-05-15 11:23:58 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Onkel Buck: I like the show where they remodeled peoples trailer "homes"

FTFM


I'd be happy if someone remodeled my trailer into a home...
 
2011-05-15 11:24:12 PM  
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Onkel Buck: I like the show where they remodeled peoples trailer "homes"

FTFM


danploon, is that you?
 
2011-05-15 11:24:25 PM  

32oz High Life: ZeroCorpse: What about us apartment dwellers that can't even get a house these days?

Have you tried getting a job?

:P

/Love IHC BTW.


homepath.com That will help you find a reasonable house cheaper than renting.
 
2011-05-15 11:25:28 PM  

barefoot in the head: In fact, like so many things, it is mere aeffect.


FTFY
 
2011-05-15 11:27:56 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: That being said, I hope this doesn't deter Extreme Makeover: Home Edition from helping truly deserving families.


I used to watch the show because the premise was something worthwhile watching, until I realized very quickly that the houses they were moving into were palaces fit for a king. I've read story upon story of families who get these houses for free, end up moving out within a year or two, because the property value is so ridiculously high, they can't afford to actually live *IN* the house afterwards, and God forbid if something were to break - can you imagine having to fix a leak for an in-ground swimming pool?

Such a waste of resources in the end - but that's not what you see on TV. Seriously, if the producers really wanted to help people in peril, why not build them a home that they can afford to keep. Unfortunately, mediocrity doesn't get the big ratings and advertisers.

Who the hell *NEEDS* a solar heated swimming pool?
 
2011-05-15 11:28:52 PM  

themasterdebater: I've read story upon story of families who get these houses for free, end up moving out within a year or two, because the property value is so ridiculously high,


Really? Can you cite these stories?
 
2011-05-15 11:29:42 PM  

themasterdebater: because the property value is so ridiculously high, they can't afford to actually live *IN* the house afterwards


Property taxes. Isn't government great?
 
2011-05-15 11:31:00 PM  

FuryOfFirestorm: StopLurkListen: That show is creepy and seems like the least efficient, and maximally cynical way to help people. "I just love being able to GIVE BACK with Tyvek(tm) sheetrock and Behr Home Paints."

Not to mention that they now have a house that costs WAY more in utilities, taxes and insurance than their previous home.

"Congratulations! You've got a free house!"

"But if we couldn't afford a new house, how will we afford the utilities and taxes for it?"

"Uhhh...Look over there! A pie!" *runs away*


Hell, if the show paid down medical bills and helped setup an annunity for the children (paired with financial planning sessions with a professional), it'd do MUCH more good than a brand new house that a working poor family can only dream of. But "Accounting/Tax Planning Makeover" doesn't exactly sound exciting.
 
2011-05-15 11:31:26 PM  

Penman: rudemix: People lie in reality and that made it to reality tv? Shocking.


Came here to post the same photo. Glad I didn't have too.
 
2011-05-15 11:33:46 PM  
This is the 'EHM' house that was done near me. It doesn't help when you take out a $450,000 second mortgage on it when you can't even come close to being able to afford it.

Link
 
2011-05-15 11:36:23 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Wow, really interesting article. Too bad this thread will be filled with morons giving their opinions about some crap TV show.


Well, DUH.


Longtime Lurker: but the show makes middle American republicans FEEL better! They don't need the government to help poor people, corporations can do that!


A bit over the top, but I agree, for the most part. It sickens me that our social safety net has been so degraded a TV show has to step in and pick up the slack.
 
2011-05-15 11:36:49 PM  

Gyrfalcon: fanbladesaresharp: FTA it says their old Vegas home was filled with mold...mold is a problem in Vegas? Is anything there even old enough in 4% humidity to grow mold?

You never heard of dry rot?


Yeah on plastics, rubber, silicone....Not the variety you normally find in wet climes.
 
2011-05-15 11:41:36 PM  

32oz High Life: gadian: Yeah, take struggling, dysfunctional families and just give them a huge house with huge property taxes because that'll solve all their problems.

JerkStore: Are there ever any follow-up shows showing how the family in need paid the taxes on the new house

This show built a house in my neighborhood a while ago and the family is still in it. They don't really seem like the type that would lose their house to something like not paying property taxes.

And this is in Mississipppi which (as all farkers like to assume) is the poorest and stupidest of all states.

/And don't mind starting sentences with articles.


Give yourself some credit, 'Ol Miss! Y'all are #1 in alcoholism, illiteracy, animal abuse, kiddie diddling and the heartbreak of psoriasis.
 
2011-05-15 11:41:54 PM  

Penman: barefoot in the head: In fact, like so many things, it is mere aeffect.

FTFY


No, I don't mean "effect", because it adapting word use for effect is empty - it has no effect, and that is the point of my comments. Speech is becoming more and more passive to reflect modern abstraction - which are empty.

I really meant "affectation". Affectation is often about "affect" which refers to concealing feeling, consciously or otherwise. Almost all of WASP society is busy doing this, because feeling is BAD and only reason is king. The rationalists did us all a great disservice making reason the new religion. Peoples feelings have become a mostly robotic set of reactions and habits, coloured by the odd affectation.

People who say "I may" when they mean "I might" are revealing something about how the active/passive duality is working internally.
 
2011-05-15 11:42:52 PM  

JerkStore: Are there ever any follow-up shows showing how the family in need paid the taxes on the new house (which, if it's more valuable than their old one, counts as income)? Getting something for free is great, but only until tax season.

"You've won a brand new house!" = "You owe thousands more in income taxes this year!"


Wrong. They show leases the home from the owners prior to the renovation. The improvements are therefore "tenant improvements' and are not a gift or prize for the owners, and are not taxed.

There may be, in some jurisdictions, an increase in the property tax, but that would be it.

They also often have sponsors that pay off any mortgages and/or provide cash to cover the higher taxes.
 
2011-05-15 11:43:04 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: I wasn't at all surprised that they suspect Munchausen by proxy.


I never knew how suspected Zooey was!

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-05-15 11:43:07 PM  

jst3p: themasterdebater: I've read story upon story of families who get these houses for free, end up moving out within a year or two, because the property value is so ridiculously high,

Really? Can you cite these stories?


'Extreme' home now on the market (new window)
Family has to sell "Extreme Makeover" Home - can't afford taxes & utilities (new window)
Extreme Makeover House Going To Foreclosure (new window)

There are more, but this is what I quickly found in 5 minutes.
 
2011-05-15 11:44:37 PM  

gadian: Yeah, take struggling, dysfunctional families and just give them a huge house with huge property taxes because that'll solve all their problems. Instead of, you know, maybe paying some medical bills, hiring a therapist, or even a financial advisor to help them live within their means.


Exactly.

Completely apart from the cheating Munchausen's angle, TFA mentions that the reason they had to move out of their new house was because they couldn't afford the maintenance (read: property taxes, mainly) of the new palace.

It's all feel good for the 60 minutes or however long the show is on, but not so benign in the larger scheme of things.
 
2011-05-15 11:45:29 PM  

SharkTrager: There may be, in some jurisdictions, an increase in the property tax, but that would be it.


Yeah, but that can be substantial.
 
2011-05-15 11:47:01 PM  

Setion: To me, it's telling that the children seem to WANT to have their disorders. Most children would love any diagnosis refuting their problem, and be like normal kids, while these seem proud of and protective of their label.


they've grown up with it since they were 4yo; for them crazy IS normal.

/I get suspicious when people start doctor shopping. I have gotten second opinions for a real diagnosis but traveling all over the US...
//of course the kids could have gotten better if they were living in a moldy house and then moved out...
 
2011-05-15 11:49:29 PM  
Malingerer. There's a word I had forgotten about. I'll be using that one.
 
2011-05-15 11:50:42 PM  

Longtime Lurker: but the show makes middle American republicans FEEL better! They don't need the government to help poor people, corporations can do that!


THIS
 
2011-05-15 11:51:31 PM  

itazurakko: Completely apart from the cheating Munchausen's angle, TFA mentions that the reason they had to move out of their new house was because they couldn't afford the maintenance (read: property taxes, mainly) of the new palace.


Government can't allow people to live outside their class. That's why more people are becoming sovreign.
 
2011-05-15 11:54:00 PM  

darkscout: How about building them something reasonable.


Because the home audience doesn't want to see anything so boring, never mind how boring it would be if the families were only given money for respite services or the like.

No, they want to see DREAMS!!!! COME!!! TRUE!!! no matter how unrealistic it is.

Then there's a new family next week.

clowncar on fire: Tell me you haven't painted a room some variation of plumb, red, violet, pink, or this year's fad color, yellow.


I have a purple kitchen. But I paid for it with my own wages, and the house is cheap cheap cheap to begin with (and owned entirely by me, no mortgage). So it wasn't a quick upgrade on a house I'd soon be leaving.

People who expect to be flipping their houses or moving on in short order tend to stick to nice tame beige (which is what makes it so funny when they whine about renters not having individuality in their buildings - the upwardly mobile set do the same damn thing).
 
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