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(Oregon Live)   It turns out the mother who claimed her daughters lived in constant medical peril and got a free house from "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition" out of it may have been lying   (oregonlive.com) divider line 157
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2011-05-15 06:26:33 PM  
I wasn't at all surprised that they suspect Munchausen by proxy.

That being said, I hope this doesn't deter Extreme Makeover: Home Edition from helping truly deserving families.
 
2011-05-15 10:06:09 PM  
That show is creepy and seems like the least efficient, and maximally cynical way to help people. "I just love being able to GIVE BACK with Tyvek(tm) sheetrock and Behr Home Paints."
 
2011-05-15 10:06:10 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: I wasn't at all surprised that they suspect Munchausen by proxy.

That being said, I hope this doesn't deter Extreme Makeover: Home Edition from helping truly deserving families.


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More and more are turning out to be frauds. Just like the family that kicked out all the foster kids as soon as they got the new house.
 
2011-05-15 10:09:25 PM  
but the show makes middle American republicans FEEL better! They don't need the government to help poor people, corporations can do that!
 
2011-05-15 10:09:50 PM  
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Sometimes people lie to get free stuff.
 
2011-05-15 10:10:13 PM  
Yeah, take struggling, dysfunctional families and just give them a huge house with huge property taxes because that'll solve all their problems. Instead of, you know, maybe paying some medical bills, hiring a therapist, or even a financial advisor to help them live within their means.
 
2011-05-15 10:10:43 PM  

StopLurkListen: That show is creepy and seems like the least efficient, and maximally cynical way to help people. "I just love being able to GIVE BACK with Tyvek(tm) sheetrock and Behr Home Paints."


Yeah they even mentioned in the article they had to move because they couldn't afford their "free" home thanks to the maintenance. What a nutty way to help the needy.

Also if the home really was "mold-filled" like the article mentioned only once, then it was worth replacing.

Both of those are separate from the mother's screwball behavior.
 
2011-05-15 10:11:48 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: That being said, I hope this doesn't deter Extreme Makeover: Home Edition from helping truly deserving families.


I haven't seen the show in a really long time but on the last episode that I watched they had built a needy family a large house with highly specific (to their interests) bedrooms that seemed like they would make the house really difficult to sell in the future without extensive renovations.

It's nice to see such families get a house makeover but I can't help but think that it might screw them over eventually.

/I say this without knowing exactly how they are provided for financially as far as the house and payments go
 
2011-05-15 10:11:54 PM  
Wow, really interesting article. Too bad this thread will be filled with morons giving their opinions about some crap TV show.
 
2011-05-15 10:12:08 PM  
This show built a house for a family in my neighborhood about a year ago. They're nice folks and the house is pretty cool.

/CSB
 
2011-05-15 10:13:23 PM  

Zoomaster: More and more are turning out to be frauds. Just like the family that kicked out all the foster kids as soon as they got the new house.


And more and more are being put into this situation:
They said they couldn't afford the increased cost of operating the larger home. By fall 2009, the house was for sale and the family moved to Oregon, where the parents that television producers found so compelling came under scrutiny.

How about building them something reasonable.
 
2011-05-15 10:14:15 PM  
A modern mother over-estimating the fragility of her kids? People lying to get expensive, cool stuff for free? Damn, who would've thought?
 
2011-05-15 10:14:43 PM  
I really want to see a "where are they now?" episode revisiting the families a year later.

How many of the houses have been sold or repossessed?
 
2011-05-15 10:15:50 PM  
Next you'll tell me that kids are getting pregnant just to get on some MTV show.
 
2011-05-15 10:16:03 PM  
The comments from some of the posters are weapons-grade Woo Crazy.
 
2011-05-15 10:16:15 PM  
The real problem is that these type of "mothers" often will actually poison their kids in order to make them sick. So you can't even trust the diagnoses because she could have been causing them.

I blame the dad in this case though. He should be able to figure out if his wife is acting weird. I can see where he might have let it get out of hand, but once child welfare was asking questions he should have been too. Seems like he's leaving all the parenting to the wife, to the detriment of the kids.
 
2011-05-15 10:17:33 PM  
If you had problems with breathing would you move from Las Vegas to Oregon?
Humid spore filled damp air?
 
2011-05-15 10:20:37 PM  
FTA it says their old Vegas home was filled with mold...mold is a problem in Vegas? Is anything there even old enough in 4% humidity to grow mold?
 
2011-05-15 10:20:44 PM  
This is child abuse. Why the judge allowed the mother to retain custody is just baffling.
 
2011-05-15 10:21:45 PM  
Are there ever any follow-up shows showing how the family in need paid the taxes on the new house (which, if it's more valuable than their old one, counts as income)? Getting something for free is great, but only until tax season.

"You've won a brand new house!" = "You owe thousands more in income taxes this year!"
 
2011-05-15 10:21:48 PM  

joe not appearing in this picture: If you had problems with breathing would you move from Las Vegas to Oregon?
Humid spore filled damp air?


I imagine she moved to Oregon so she could indulge her medical fetish on the taxpayer's dime, courtesy of the Oregon Health Plan.
 
2011-05-15 10:21:57 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: I wasn't at all surprised that they suspect Munchausen by proxy.

That being said, I hope this doesn't deter Extreme Makeover: Home Edition from helping truly deserving families.


Yeah, it would be a shame to lose Extreme Makeover: Home Edition over something so trivial as this.
 
2011-05-15 10:22:05 PM  
During my pediatrics rotation I had to deal with a mother who was obsessed with the idea that her daughter had neurocysticercosis. The kid was 100% fine. I wanted to smack the mom.
 
2011-05-15 10:22:49 PM  
Approves:
mimg.ugo.com
 
2011-05-15 10:23:19 PM  
I forgot new show,
Extreme Whack over, Crack pot edition.
(I blame Svengoolie for my humor.)
 
2011-05-15 10:23:34 PM  

Dr. Nick Riviera: During my pediatrics rotation I had to deal with a mother who was obsessed with the idea that her daughter had neurocysticercosis. The kid was 100% fine. I wanted to smack the mom.


WebMD has basically done more harm than good by this point, what with all the nutty moms projecting all sorts of symptoms onto their kids.
 
2011-05-15 10:24:43 PM  

fanbladesaresharp: FTA it says their old Vegas home was filled with mold...mold is a problem in Vegas? Is anything there even old enough in 4% humidity to grow mold?


She kept the swamp cooler on 24 hours a day, all year? That would probably make the kids sick all by itself.
 
2011-05-15 10:25:44 PM  
They were just asking for trouble when they gave Rachel Corrie that bungalow in Gaza.
 
2011-05-15 10:28:37 PM  
You know what sucks about that show? They only help people who ALREADY OWN A HOUSE by GIVING THEM A BETTER F♥CKING HOUSE!

What about us apartment dwellers that can't even get a house these days? How about you build some of these free houses for us? How about instead of incredible, gadget-wonder houses for people who already have a place to live, you make twice as many nice, normal, new houses for people who don't already have a house?

Like I want to watch a show where people who have a house whine about being sick, or having a bad roof, or some other thing so they can get an improved house for free? F♥ck that.

You might as well just make a show on ABC about finding wealthy people and giving them a big f♥cking bag of money.
 
2011-05-15 10:28:44 PM  
So, I actually went and read the article. Its disheartening to see that mom is legally allowed to pick up and run with the kids and subject them to court and medically determined unnecessary procedures. I hope it doesn't kill the girls and I hope, at some point, they are able to escape and see their mom for who she is.
 
2011-05-15 10:29:19 PM  
I absolutely despise that show.
 
2011-05-15 10:30:50 PM  

Longtime Lurker: but the show makes middle American republicans FEEL better! They don't need the government to help poor people, corporations can do that!


Seriously? You make some Olympic-level mental gymnastics in a lame attempt to turn this into a political thread? Really?

/Put down the bong once in a while and maybe not so much Chomsky and Michael Moore. You'll feel better.
 
2011-05-15 10:33:56 PM  

gadian: So, I actually went and read the article. Its disheartening to see that mom is legally allowed to pick up and run with the kids and subject them to court and medically determined unnecessary procedures. I hope it doesn't kill the girls and I hope, at some point, they are able to escape and see their mom for who she is.


So, I actually did too. This family is farrkkked up. Those poor kids. But I guess Oregon can't intervene out of state. That's exactly what we don't need--CPS agencies with interstate jurisdiction, fighting with each other. They're scary enough already.
 
2011-05-15 10:35:24 PM  
They built an Extreme Makeover house around the block from my former place. Beautiful home, which stuck out like a sore thumb in the neighborhood. The building process was a PITA for residents of the neighborhood (closed streets, traffic afterward, all kinds of shiat). I didn't really know the family before or after, but some of the gang of a million people they had living in their home went to school with my daughter.

/Cool story, sis
 
2011-05-15 10:35:26 PM  
I liked the episode where they blew up the old house with 300 sticks of tnt.
A little, OK a LOT of showboating. I think they overdo the size of the house most of the time.
 
2011-05-15 10:35:43 PM  

gadian: Yeah, take struggling, dysfunctional families and just give them a huge house with huge property taxes because that'll solve all their problems.


JerkStore: Are there ever any follow-up shows showing how the family in need paid the taxes on the new house


This show built a house in my neighborhood a while ago and the family is still in it. They don't really seem like the type that would lose their house to something like not paying property taxes.

And this is in Mississipppi which (as all farkers like to assume) is the poorest and stupidest of all states.

/And don't mind starting sentences with articles.
 
2011-05-15 10:36:57 PM  

ZeroCorpse: What about us apartment dwellers that can't even get a house these days?


Have you tried getting a job?

:P

/Love IHC BTW.
 
2011-05-15 10:38:24 PM  

32oz High Life: ZeroCorpse: What about us apartment dwellers that can't even get a house these days?

Have you tried getting a job?

:P

/Love IHC BTW.


Getting a job is harder than getting a house these days.
 
2011-05-15 10:41:29 PM  
ZeroCorpse
You know what sucks about that show? They only help people who ALREADY OWN A HOUSE by GIVING THEM A BETTER F♥CKING HOUSE!

What about us apartment dwellers that can't even get a house these days?...


You know what, I sold my house in CA to move here for a job deal. Sold that house a year later to move closer to the office and now I'm in a 3-bedroom apt. It's a little over-sized, but I like having one for sleeping, one for guests, and an office. Fraction of the cost of a house in Scottsdale too, and I get an overlook of the pool with room on the balcony to grow some herbs, billiards room, indoor basketball, weight room, media center...
Where was I going... oh yeah - apartments aren't all that bad! Especially when you can text the office to change a flippin' light-bulb ;)

/doughnuts and juice at the gates on Fridays!
 
2011-05-15 10:45:40 PM  
gadian: Yeah, take struggling, dysfunctional families and just give them a huge house with huge property taxes because that'll solve all their problems.

My understanding is that in addition to the new home, they are given money for increased expenses, such as higher property taxes and utilities. Perhaps a decade down the road when that money runs out they'll have an issue, but not immediately.
 
2011-05-15 10:47:50 PM  

jst3p: Approves:


Leaving satisfied.
 
2011-05-15 10:48:50 PM  
We need the good old days where we could work at a fast food joint flipping burgers and the bank would give you a huge loan to buy a big house. Oh wait that didn't work did it?
 
2011-05-15 10:48:54 PM  

mephisto6: ZeroCorpse
You know what sucks about that show? They only help people who ALREADY OWN A HOUSE by GIVING THEM A BETTER F♥CKING HOUSE!

What about us apartment dwellers that can't even get a house these days?...

You know what, I sold my house in CA to move here for a job deal. Sold that house a year later to move closer to the office and now I'm in a 3-bedroom apt. It's a little over-sized, but I like having one for sleeping, one for guests, and an office. Fraction of the cost of a house in Scottsdale too, and I get an overlook of the pool with room on the balcony to grow some herbs, billiards room, indoor basketball, weight room, media center...
Where was I going... oh yeah - apartments aren't all that bad! Especially when you can text the office to change a flippin' light-bulb ;)

/doughnuts and juice at the gates on Fridays!


Who is your property management company? Sounds like someone I used to work for.

Also, i've worked for extreme make over, so I'm getting a kick...
 
2011-05-15 10:49:35 PM  

joe not appearing in this picture: I liked the episode where they blew up the old house with 300 sticks of tnt.
A little, OK a LOT of showboating. I think they overdo the size of the house most of the time.


I don't watch this show, but the few times I've caught some of it, the houses seem ridiculous. They have all kinds of tacky crap for the kids (aren't they going to grow out of that in a few years?), and dumb faddy touches that no average person would want in their homes forever. And the houses are way too big. Maybe the 'average' American thinks he should live in a 4000-square house, but come on. Give these people something realistic, not a fantasy house with a fish pond in the living room.
 
2011-05-15 10:50:45 PM  

darkscout: Zoomaster: More and more are turning out to be frauds. Just like the family that kicked out all the foster kids as soon as they got the new house.

And more and more are being put into this situation:
They said they couldn't afford the increased cost of operating the larger home. By fall 2009, the house was for sale and the family moved to Oregon, where the parents that television producers found so compelling came under scrutiny.

How about building them something reasonable.


=======================
FROM WIKI, I know not the best source, but I'm right and going to bed now.

/play nice


Another criticism aimed at the show surrounds financial issues that some of the families have had after receiving the home makeover, the majority of which have been found to be grossly exaggerated or completely untrue altogether. The most common allegation is that most of the families have sold their houses due to their inability to pay for them, and that some have even gone into foreclosure. In fact, as of November 2010, all but three of the 150+ families helped by the show still reside in the houses given to them. Two of the families, the Hebert and Hassall Families, sold their houses voluntarily, while the third family, the Harper Family, did lose their house to foreclosure, but not because they could not afford it. The family decided to start a construction business and, in order to secure the loan needed to do so, they used their house as collateral with their bank. Due to the recent recession, the business failed, and the house was auctioned off. A few other families, including the Wofford, Vardon and Marrero families, have had some struggles, but most sources specifically point out that these troubles have little to do with the show or the makeover. Most, like those of millions of other American families, are due to the recent recession
 
2011-05-15 10:51:08 PM  
There have been too many episodes where the house they demolish looks pretty damn good already.
 
2011-05-15 10:51:33 PM  
Actually, hold on.

FTFA: "The TV program paid to demolish the family's mold-filled house and replace it with an opulent new home that included high-quality air filtration systems, an elevator, solar-heated swimming pool, gourmet kitchen and floor-to-ceiling stone fireplace."

Um, why? I can understand the air filtration system, if the girls actually had the autoimmune disease, but why the rest? What is the benefit? And if the girls really could be harmed by the air, why a fireplace?

I don't understand the excess.
 
2011-05-15 10:52:56 PM  

Turfshoe: I really want to see a "where are they now?" episode revisiting the families a year later.

How many of the houses have been sold or repossessed?


This.

/follow up show
//I can haz?
 
2011-05-15 10:53:17 PM  
www.artst.org


etc.usf.eduwww.transferonline.com
 
2011-05-15 10:55:45 PM  
People lie in reality and that made it to reality tv? Shocking.
 
2011-05-15 10:56:13 PM  

joe not appearing in this picture: We need the good old days where we could work at a fast food joint flipping burgers and the bank would give you a huge loan to buy a big house. Oh wait that didn't work did it?


If a bank gives such a person a loan, then the bank deserves to be screwed and go out of business.

And no, you ass, the housing collapse was not caused by poor people, no matter what you want to believe.
 
2011-05-15 10:57:00 PM  

Turfshoe: I really want to see a "where are they now?" episode revisiting the families a year later.

How many of the houses have been sold or repossessed?


Yeah, one big problem is the taxes. If someone gives you a house, don't you have to report it as income? That's why you never really want to win a car or something -- most people will just have to sell it -- so the prize might as well just be cash to avoid the hassle.
 
2011-05-15 10:58:47 PM  

Dr. Nick Riviera: During my pediatrics rotation I had to deal with a mother who was obsessed with the idea that her daughter had neurocysticercosis. The kid was 100% fine. I wanted to smack the mom.


FTA - Is it even possible to both:
1. have Primary Immune Deficiency Disease, and
2. Be susceptible to auto-immune disorders
?

Also, slight threadjack since there's a Dr. in the house -
what would the diagnosis be if a patient came into a psych walk-in with a fistful of paperwork and said, "I have Munchausen's syndrome - see, here's all my records from other psychs"?
 
2011-05-15 10:59:12 PM  

jabelar: Turfshoe: I really want to see a "where are they now?" episode revisiting the families a year later.

How many of the houses have been sold or repossessed?

Yeah, one big problem is the taxes. If someone gives you a house, don't you have to report it as income? That's why you never really want to win a car or something -- most people will just have to sell it -- so the prize might as well just be cash to avoid the hassle.


No, that's why YOU don't really want to win a car or something, you are poor. I will take a free car any day of the week.
 
2011-05-15 11:00:42 PM  

jabelar: Turfshoe: I really want to see a "where are they now?" episode revisiting the families a year later.

How many of the houses have been sold or repossessed?

Yeah, one big problem is the taxes. If someone gives you a house, don't you have to report it as income? That's why you never really want to win a car or something -- most people will just have to sell it -- so the prize might as well just be cash to avoid the hassle.


Thats the reason why a lot of contests involving a car giveaway often have a cash option if you don't want the car. If you do the taxes and fees to register it are due before you can take possession.

Its part of the reason why game shows like the Price is Right always gave them away. Many people would probably take the cash. To cover the taxes on all the other stuff they won. Sure the cash is taxable also, but there should be enough left to cover the taxes on the other prizes they won.

And usually the cash award is way less than the actual car. I know there was a local contest here recently where the car they gave away was 60 grand, but if you wanted cash it was only 25 grand.
 
2011-05-15 11:01:32 PM  

fanbladesaresharp: FTA it says their old Vegas home was filled with mold...mold is a problem in Vegas? Is anything there even old enough in 4% humidity to grow mold?


You never heard of dry rot?
 
2011-05-15 11:02:48 PM  

rudemix: People lie in reality and that made it to reality tv? Shocking.


www.tvchannelsfree.com
 
2011-05-15 11:03:24 PM  

darkscout: Zoomaster: More and more are turning out to be frauds. Just like the family that kicked out all the foster kids as soon as they got the new house.

And more and more are being put into this situation:
They said they couldn't afford the increased cost of operating the larger home. By fall 2009, the house was for sale and the family moved to Oregon, where the parents that television producers found so compelling came under scrutiny.

How about building them something reasonable.


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On Easter Sunday 2005, ABC's Extreme Makeover Home Edition aired an especially poignant episode. Five children, ages 14-21, from the Higgins family were orphaned. A couple from their church, with three children of their own, took them in. The result was 10 people living in cramped quarters.

The show finds families like these and, in the course of a week, rebuilds their home from scratch. The process is edited into a one-hour episode. In the beginning, we are told the tale of woe in as heart-tugging a fashion as possible. Also factoring prominently in every beginning segment are the horrible living conditions and the heroic nature of the people who are flourishing despite the hardship. Then the family is whisked off to a vacation, the house is razed and rebuilt, and the ending segment is the presentation of the house to the always overwhelmed family.

The ending segment is designed to be as heart-tugging as the first. The rebuilt home is always astonishingly beautiful and completely furnished. In the Easter Sunday special, the rebuilt home had nine bedrooms, including one for each child. The show also paid off the mortgage.

The Higgins' happy ending did not last. The family that took them in asked them to leave the beautiful nine-bedroom home because it did not belong to the Higgins.


The eldest child, Charles Higgins, who is also legal guardian for the minor children, contacted the producers of Extreme Makeover: Home Edition, who could not help. Apparently the 24-page single spaced contract did not give the Higgins any right to the home built as a result of their tragedy. It did, however, give ABC the rights to their story and the episode was broadcast complete with happy ending after the Higgins children were already evicted.

/Now I am going to bed, 3:45 comes early
 
2011-05-15 11:04:13 PM  

jst3p: Approves:


Can't believe it took this long to get the Sixth Sense reference in here.

Also:

api.ning.com
 
2011-05-15 11:05:20 PM  

lionfish: mephisto6: ZeroCorpse
You know what sucks about that show? They only help people who ALREADY OWN A HOUSE by GIVING THEM A BETTER F♥CKING HOUSE!

What about us apartment dwellers that can't even get a house these days?...

You know what, I sold my house in CA to move here for a job deal. Sold that house a year later to move closer to the office and now I'm in a 3-bedroom apt. It's a little over-sized, but I like having one for sleeping, one for guests, and an office. Fraction of the cost of a house in Scottsdale too, and I get an overlook of the pool with room on the balcony to grow some herbs, billiards room, indoor basketball, weight room, media center...
Where was I going... oh yeah - apartments aren't all that bad! Especially when you can text the office to change a flippin' light-bulb ;)

/doughnuts and juice at the gates on Fridays!

Who is your property management company? Sounds like someone I used to work for.

Also, i've worked for extreme make over, so I'm getting a kick...


Pillar Communities. They just added carpet cleaning (free) and masseuse (not free) on this year's lease. So thanks for that, if you were involved..

What part of the show were you involved in?
 
2011-05-15 11:05:32 PM  
To me, it's telling that the children seem to WANT to have their disorders. Most children would love any diagnosis refuting their problem, and be like normal kids, while these seem proud of and protective of their label.
 
2011-05-15 11:05:38 PM  

Gyrfalcon: fanbladesaresharp: FTA it says their old Vegas home was filled with mold...mold is a problem in Vegas? Is anything there even old enough in 4% humidity to grow mold?

You never heard of dry rot?


Plus, Vegas isn't 110 and dry in the winter. They don't get much rain, but that doesn't mean they don't get humidity. And if the house was built "too tight" because they want to try to keep the summer heat out, that means the condensation made by pots on the stove, the showers, etc if not properly vented, goes into the drywall and promotes mold growth.

Thats why although you want to wrap your walls with a vapor barrier, you don't want things so airtight that the humidity outside is 5% but inside its 20% (or worse) because nothing can get out....
 
2011-05-15 11:05:42 PM  

Zoomaster: Bathia_Mapes: I wasn't at all surprised that they suspect Munchausen by proxy.

That being said, I hope this doesn't deter Extreme Makeover: Home Edition from helping truly deserving families.

----------

More and more are turning out to be frauds. Just like the family that kicked out all the foster kids as soon as they got the new house.


Or the one here who is directly related to the wealthy family who funded the public library addition and part of the performing arts center and who send their kids to SLC for private music lessons and who claimed they were living in a trailer when they lived in a townhouse up the hill and the trailer showed up a few weeks before the show was confirmed. Now they have a gigantic blue monstrosity plunked in the middle of a historic neighborhood.
 
2011-05-15 11:08:36 PM  
ABC has started a followup on this to air during the November sweeps rating period. "Extreme Makeover- State lockup" and "CSI- Fraud Squad" follow the family through the judicial system and incarceration.
 
2011-05-15 11:13:56 PM  
StopLurkListen: That show is creepy and seems like the least efficient, and maximally cynical way to help people. "I just love being able to GIVE BACK with Tyvek(tm) sheetrock and Behr Home Paints."

Not to mention that they now have a house that costs WAY more in utilities, taxes and insurance than their previous home.

"Congratulations! You've got a free house!"

"But if we couldn't afford a new house, how will we afford the utilities and taxes for it?"

"Uhhh...Look over there! A pie!" *runs away*
 
2011-05-15 11:14:35 PM  

ghare: joe not appearing in this picture: We need the good old days where we could work at a fast food joint flipping burgers and the bank would give you a huge loan to buy a big house. Oh wait that didn't work did it?

If a bank gives such a person a loan, then the bank deserves to be screwed and go out of business.

And no, you ass, the housing collapse was not caused by poor people, no matter what you want to believe.


What's with you? Never said it was. First, take a joke pal. Second, it didn't help the banks GAVE OUT loans with no regard to common sense.
 
2011-05-15 11:16:04 PM  

Sliding Carp: FTA - Is it even possible to both:
1. have Primary Immune Deficiency Disease, and
2. Be susceptible to auto-immune disorders
?

Also, slight threadjack since there's a Dr. in the house -
what would the diagnosis be if a patient came into a psych walk-in with a fistful of paperwork and said, "I have Munchausen's syndrome - see, here's all my records from other psychs"?


It's impossible to say, because Primary Immune Deficiency Disease is not a diagnosis. It is a blanket term for a group of disorders. Saying that someone has Primary Immune Deficiency Disease is roughly akin to saying someone has Respiratory Disease. It gives you a vague description but doesn't tell you what the problem actually is.

As for the latter, it really depends on why the person is walking into the ED, whether or not they think their symptoms are real, and what they hope to gain from it. If they know that they are not sick but are trying to get admitted to the hospital to assume the sick role, they have factitious disorder. If they know that they are not sick and are looking for secondary gain (like to get free food or avoid the cops), they are malingering. There are a bunch of variations and I don't feel like typing them all out.
 
2011-05-15 11:16:24 PM  
I like the show where they remodeled peoples trailer homes
 
2011-05-15 11:17:55 PM  

Dr. Nick Riviera: As for the latter, it really depends on why the person is walking into the ED,


I think you missed a joke, the answer would be a diagnosis of Munchausen's by proxy (the proxy being the other doctors who diagnosed him).
 
2011-05-15 11:18:15 PM  

icam: Bathia_Mapes: That being said, I hope this doesn't deter Extreme Makeover: Home Edition from helping truly deserving families.

I haven't seen the show in a really long time but on the last episode that I watched they had built a needy family a large house with highly specific (to their interests) bedrooms that seemed like they would make the house really difficult to sell in the future without extensive renovations.

It's nice to see such families get a house makeover but I can't help but think that it might screw them over eventually.

/I say this without knowing exactly how they are provided for financially as far as the house and payments go


We all screw up our homes to the best of our ability in an effort to reflect our personal tastes. Tell me you haven't painted a room some variation of plumb, red, violet, pink, or this year's fad color, yellow. Maybe you got hooked on fung-she, country, or Tuscany. We do these things to our home because it's what keeps us happy or comfortable. What limits how extensive we modify is the limitations of our spending.

About the only time our "common sense" decorating sense kicks in is about the time we decide to sell our house.

The purpose of this make over is to tailor the home to the family's needs and personality- not give it a remodel so they can unload it after th cameras are shut off.

The renovation process which these homes undergo severely drive up the tax burden its occupants are required to pay. Knowing this, there is probably some sort of provision made to offset the costs made between the show's producers and the tax collection agents.

I'm not sure why the hate here. Someone mentioned that there was an excessive amount of promoting for certain brand names- WTF, did it ever occur to you that these companies hand over an ungodly amout of materiel during these renovations and an occasional pitch is not too much to ask for in return.

What these people do to help is a good thing. Not having to worry about the condition/safety of your dwelling is probably a huge bonus to some of these people who for the most part, seem to have gotten the shorter end of life's stick.
 
2011-05-15 11:19:02 PM  

Setion: To me, it's telling that the children seem to WANT to have their disorders. Most children would love any diagnosis refuting their problem, and be like normal kids, while these seem proud of and protective of their label.


If it's their best/only way to get attention from their mother, I'm not surprised they'd hang on to the labels for dear life. Once they're no longer serving as valuable props for Mom's dramatics, what use will they be to her? The fallout from this is going to be epic - something tells me their mother isn't thinking ahead to when her daughters are forty and so messed up in the head that they can't hold down jobs or live independently.

I've known a few people whose children have had very serious diagnoses, some of them terminal. Any of them would have given everything they had to find out that their child would be all right after all. The kind of attention-whoring the mother in the article is engaged in is just disgusting. She has NO idea.
 
2011-05-15 11:19:03 PM  

Onkel Buck: I like the show where they remodeled peoples trailer "homes"


FTFM
 
2011-05-15 11:20:15 PM  
gadian: Yeah, take struggling, dysfunctional families and just give them a huge house with huge property taxes because that'll solve all their problems. Instead of, you know, maybe paying some medical bills, hiring a therapist, or even a financial advisor to help them live within their means.


Sensible ideas don't create ratings.
 
2011-05-15 11:22:21 PM  
Headline: "... may have been lying"

If she "may", then she has permission, so no problem, right?

Of course not. The word is "might" when you mean it's possible. Why the fark is everyone doing this now? I guess saying you "may not go", or "you may not smoke" has fallen out of favour and is being replaced by "can't".

Our society seems infatuated with the feminine "a" sounds (as ending every other damned car model name in the last decade in that letter). It reflects a more passive tone in general. So, it looks like the harder edged "might" will lose out to "may", in terms of the possible, and the sense of permission will fall to "can" and "can't".

It all blows goats but it seems as unstoppable as it is false, at this point. I think people feel it adds a touch more "form" to their speech. In fact, like so many things, it is mere affect.
 
2011-05-15 11:22:58 PM  
I can't help but wonder what happens to their lives when the news article comes out in the local rag and the entire town in which they live reads it. How do you go on from there?
 
2011-05-15 11:23:01 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: I wasn't at all surprised that they suspect Munchausen by proxy.

That being said, I hope this doesn't deter Extreme Makeover: Home Edition from helping truly deserving families.


That being said is annoying. Please stop.
 
2011-05-15 11:23:58 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Onkel Buck: I like the show where they remodeled peoples trailer "homes"

FTFM


I'd be happy if someone remodeled my trailer into a home...
 
2011-05-15 11:24:12 PM  
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Onkel Buck: I like the show where they remodeled peoples trailer "homes"

FTFM


danploon, is that you?
 
2011-05-15 11:24:25 PM  

32oz High Life: ZeroCorpse: What about us apartment dwellers that can't even get a house these days?

Have you tried getting a job?

:P

/Love IHC BTW.


homepath.com That will help you find a reasonable house cheaper than renting.
 
2011-05-15 11:25:28 PM  

barefoot in the head: In fact, like so many things, it is mere aeffect.


FTFY
 
2011-05-15 11:27:56 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: That being said, I hope this doesn't deter Extreme Makeover: Home Edition from helping truly deserving families.


I used to watch the show because the premise was something worthwhile watching, until I realized very quickly that the houses they were moving into were palaces fit for a king. I've read story upon story of families who get these houses for free, end up moving out within a year or two, because the property value is so ridiculously high, they can't afford to actually live *IN* the house afterwards, and God forbid if something were to break - can you imagine having to fix a leak for an in-ground swimming pool?

Such a waste of resources in the end - but that's not what you see on TV. Seriously, if the producers really wanted to help people in peril, why not build them a home that they can afford to keep. Unfortunately, mediocrity doesn't get the big ratings and advertisers.

Who the hell *NEEDS* a solar heated swimming pool?
 
2011-05-15 11:28:52 PM  

themasterdebater: I've read story upon story of families who get these houses for free, end up moving out within a year or two, because the property value is so ridiculously high,


Really? Can you cite these stories?
 
2011-05-15 11:29:42 PM  

themasterdebater: because the property value is so ridiculously high, they can't afford to actually live *IN* the house afterwards


Property taxes. Isn't government great?
 
2011-05-15 11:31:00 PM  

FuryOfFirestorm: StopLurkListen: That show is creepy and seems like the least efficient, and maximally cynical way to help people. "I just love being able to GIVE BACK with Tyvek(tm) sheetrock and Behr Home Paints."

Not to mention that they now have a house that costs WAY more in utilities, taxes and insurance than their previous home.

"Congratulations! You've got a free house!"

"But if we couldn't afford a new house, how will we afford the utilities and taxes for it?"

"Uhhh...Look over there! A pie!" *runs away*


Hell, if the show paid down medical bills and helped setup an annunity for the children (paired with financial planning sessions with a professional), it'd do MUCH more good than a brand new house that a working poor family can only dream of. But "Accounting/Tax Planning Makeover" doesn't exactly sound exciting.
 
2011-05-15 11:31:26 PM  

Penman: rudemix: People lie in reality and that made it to reality tv? Shocking.


Came here to post the same photo. Glad I didn't have too.
 
2011-05-15 11:33:46 PM  
This is the 'EHM' house that was done near me. It doesn't help when you take out a $450,000 second mortgage on it when you can't even come close to being able to afford it.

Link
 
2011-05-15 11:36:23 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Wow, really interesting article. Too bad this thread will be filled with morons giving their opinions about some crap TV show.


Well, DUH.


Longtime Lurker: but the show makes middle American republicans FEEL better! They don't need the government to help poor people, corporations can do that!


A bit over the top, but I agree, for the most part. It sickens me that our social safety net has been so degraded a TV show has to step in and pick up the slack.
 
2011-05-15 11:36:49 PM  

Gyrfalcon: fanbladesaresharp: FTA it says their old Vegas home was filled with mold...mold is a problem in Vegas? Is anything there even old enough in 4% humidity to grow mold?

You never heard of dry rot?


Yeah on plastics, rubber, silicone....Not the variety you normally find in wet climes.
 
2011-05-15 11:41:36 PM  

32oz High Life: gadian: Yeah, take struggling, dysfunctional families and just give them a huge house with huge property taxes because that'll solve all their problems.

JerkStore: Are there ever any follow-up shows showing how the family in need paid the taxes on the new house

This show built a house in my neighborhood a while ago and the family is still in it. They don't really seem like the type that would lose their house to something like not paying property taxes.

And this is in Mississipppi which (as all farkers like to assume) is the poorest and stupidest of all states.

/And don't mind starting sentences with articles.


Give yourself some credit, 'Ol Miss! Y'all are #1 in alcoholism, illiteracy, animal abuse, kiddie diddling and the heartbreak of psoriasis.
 
2011-05-15 11:41:54 PM  

Penman: barefoot in the head: In fact, like so many things, it is mere aeffect.

FTFY


No, I don't mean "effect", because it adapting word use for effect is empty - it has no effect, and that is the point of my comments. Speech is becoming more and more passive to reflect modern abstraction - which are empty.

I really meant "affectation". Affectation is often about "affect" which refers to concealing feeling, consciously or otherwise. Almost all of WASP society is busy doing this, because feeling is BAD and only reason is king. The rationalists did us all a great disservice making reason the new religion. Peoples feelings have become a mostly robotic set of reactions and habits, coloured by the odd affectation.

People who say "I may" when they mean "I might" are revealing something about how the active/passive duality is working internally.
 
2011-05-15 11:42:52 PM  

JerkStore: Are there ever any follow-up shows showing how the family in need paid the taxes on the new house (which, if it's more valuable than their old one, counts as income)? Getting something for free is great, but only until tax season.

"You've won a brand new house!" = "You owe thousands more in income taxes this year!"


Wrong. They show leases the home from the owners prior to the renovation. The improvements are therefore "tenant improvements' and are not a gift or prize for the owners, and are not taxed.

There may be, in some jurisdictions, an increase in the property tax, but that would be it.

They also often have sponsors that pay off any mortgages and/or provide cash to cover the higher taxes.
 
2011-05-15 11:43:04 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: I wasn't at all surprised that they suspect Munchausen by proxy.


I never knew how suspected Zooey was!

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-05-15 11:43:07 PM  

jst3p: themasterdebater: I've read story upon story of families who get these houses for free, end up moving out within a year or two, because the property value is so ridiculously high,

Really? Can you cite these stories?


'Extreme' home now on the market (new window)
Family has to sell "Extreme Makeover" Home - can't afford taxes & utilities (new window)
Extreme Makeover House Going To Foreclosure (new window)

There are more, but this is what I quickly found in 5 minutes.
 
2011-05-15 11:44:37 PM  

gadian: Yeah, take struggling, dysfunctional families and just give them a huge house with huge property taxes because that'll solve all their problems. Instead of, you know, maybe paying some medical bills, hiring a therapist, or even a financial advisor to help them live within their means.


Exactly.

Completely apart from the cheating Munchausen's angle, TFA mentions that the reason they had to move out of their new house was because they couldn't afford the maintenance (read: property taxes, mainly) of the new palace.

It's all feel good for the 60 minutes or however long the show is on, but not so benign in the larger scheme of things.
 
2011-05-15 11:45:29 PM  

SharkTrager: There may be, in some jurisdictions, an increase in the property tax, but that would be it.


Yeah, but that can be substantial.
 
2011-05-15 11:47:01 PM  

Setion: To me, it's telling that the children seem to WANT to have their disorders. Most children would love any diagnosis refuting their problem, and be like normal kids, while these seem proud of and protective of their label.


they've grown up with it since they were 4yo; for them crazy IS normal.

/I get suspicious when people start doctor shopping. I have gotten second opinions for a real diagnosis but traveling all over the US...
//of course the kids could have gotten better if they were living in a moldy house and then moved out...
 
2011-05-15 11:49:29 PM  
Malingerer. There's a word I had forgotten about. I'll be using that one.
 
2011-05-15 11:50:42 PM  

Longtime Lurker: but the show makes middle American republicans FEEL better! They don't need the government to help poor people, corporations can do that!


THIS
 
2011-05-15 11:51:31 PM  

itazurakko: Completely apart from the cheating Munchausen's angle, TFA mentions that the reason they had to move out of their new house was because they couldn't afford the maintenance (read: property taxes, mainly) of the new palace.


Government can't allow people to live outside their class. That's why more people are becoming sovreign.
 
2011-05-15 11:54:00 PM  

darkscout: How about building them something reasonable.


Because the home audience doesn't want to see anything so boring, never mind how boring it would be if the families were only given money for respite services or the like.

No, they want to see DREAMS!!!! COME!!! TRUE!!! no matter how unrealistic it is.

Then there's a new family next week.

clowncar on fire: Tell me you haven't painted a room some variation of plumb, red, violet, pink, or this year's fad color, yellow.


I have a purple kitchen. But I paid for it with my own wages, and the house is cheap cheap cheap to begin with (and owned entirely by me, no mortgage). So it wasn't a quick upgrade on a house I'd soon be leaving.

People who expect to be flipping their houses or moving on in short order tend to stick to nice tame beige (which is what makes it so funny when they whine about renters not having individuality in their buildings - the upwardly mobile set do the same damn thing).
 
2011-05-15 11:54:54 PM  

Penman: That's why more people are becoming sovreign.


Woah - there's people who actually buy into that sovereign citizen crap?

There is not enough popcorn in the WORLD.
 
2011-05-15 11:56:10 PM  

StopLurkListen: That show is creepy and seems like the least efficient, and maximally cynical way to help people. "I just love being able to GIVE BACK with Tyvek(tm) sheetrock and Behr Home Paints."


Tyvek is a water barrier wrap, not sheetrock.
 
2011-05-15 11:56:59 PM  

itazurakko: Penman: That's why more people are becoming sovreign.

Woah - there's people who actually buy into that sovereign citizen crap?

There is not enough popcorn in the WORLD.


If the government was going to take your house you'd think differently.
 
2011-05-15 11:58:59 PM  

Penman: If the government was going to take your house you'd think differently.


And get arrested for tax evasion, sure.

Makes for good shortwave listening though, I'll admit.

But yeah, I pay my property taxes. Amazingly enough, they're affordable, since I didn't go buying some house outside my price range. You have to consider the taxes as a long term part of the price of the house, it's called planning.
 
2011-05-16 12:01:23 AM  
Home Makeover is only nominally about helping people and primarily about advertising.
 
2011-05-16 12:05:11 AM  

barefoot in the head: Headline: "... may have been lying"

If she "may", then she has permission, so no problem, right?

Of course not. The word is "might" when you mean it's possible. Why the fark is everyone doing this now? I guess saying you "may not go", or "you may not smoke" has fallen out of favour and is being replaced by "can't".

Our society seems infatuated with the feminine "a" sounds (as ending every other damned car model name in the last decade in that letter). It reflects a more passive tone in general. So, it looks like the harder edged "might" will lose out to "may", in terms of the possible, and the sense of permission will fall to "can" and "can't".

It all blows goats but it seems as unstoppable as it is false, at this point. I think people feel it adds a touch more "form" to their speech. In fact, like so many things, it is mere affect.


"Might" was originally the past tense of "may," according to the Online Etymology Dictionary. That means the words have had the same meaning for 1,500 years and the one that you picked is actually the more recent one.

"Can" and "can't", same deal. They've been used for permission longer than "may." Words are allowed to have more than one meaning, you know.

There's no such thing as a "feminine a" sound, and anyway, the "ay" in "may" is an /e/ and the endings on cars are /a/s. /e/ does not reflect a "passive tone." In fact, in giving this semantics rant about hypercorrection, you've outed yourself as being a part of the recent trend of applying the term "passive" to anything you don't like in language and creating a bizarre alternate meaning for the term "passive voice" that has nothing to do with its real, linguistic meaning.

So long story short, you MAY have the best intentions but if you're going to be a grammar Nazi, you MAY want to crack a linguistics textbook.
 
2011-05-16 12:05:29 AM  

Enigmamf: StopLurkListen: That show is creepy and seems like the least efficient, and maximally cynical way to help people. "I just love being able to GIVE BACK with Tyvek(tm) sheetrock and Behr Home Paints."

Tyvek is a water barrier wrap, not sheetrock.


I thought Tyvek was the fake carpenter who hosts the show
 
2011-05-16 12:11:55 AM  
The Oregon Child Protection Services are very corrupt. Because they get more funding for the more kids they have in their care, they have a policy of remove first, verify later. When young children show signs of anxiety typical of being removed from their family, they are called autistic, medicated, and the lack of prior diagnosis is used as evidence of neglect. It's sick, truly sick.

No way in hell I'm raising kids in this state.
 
2011-05-16 12:16:21 AM  

themasterdebater: jst3p: themasterdebater: I've read story upon story of families who get these houses for free, end up moving out within a year or two, because the property value is so ridiculously high,

Really? Can you cite these stories?

'Extreme' home now on the market (new window)
Family has to sell "Extreme Makeover" Home - can't afford taxes & utilities (new window)
Extreme Makeover House Going To Foreclosure (new window)

There are more, but this is what I quickly found in 5 minutes.


Zoomaster: darkscout: Zoomaster: More and more are turning out to be frauds. Just like the family that kicked out all the foster kids as soon as they got the new house.

And more and more are being put into this situation:
They said they couldn't afford the increased cost of operating the larger home. By fall 2009, the house was for sale and the family moved to Oregon, where the parents that television producers found so compelling came under scrutiny.

How about building them something reasonable.

=======================
FROM WIKI, I know not the best source, but I'm right and going to bed now.

/play nice


Another criticism aimed at the show surrounds financial issues that some of the families have had after receiving the home makeover, the majority of which have been found to be grossly exaggerated or completely untrue altogether. The most common allegation is that most of the families have sold their houses due to their inability to pay for them, and that some have even gone into foreclosure. In fact, as of November 2010, all but three of the 150+ families helped by the show still reside in the houses given to them. Two of the families, the Hebert and Hassall Families, sold their houses voluntarily, while the third family, the Harper Family, did lose their house to foreclosure, but not because they could not afford it. The family decided to start a construction business and, in order to secure the loan needed to do so, they used their house as collateral with their bank. Due to the recent recession, the business failed, and the house was auctioned off. A few other families, including the Wofford, Vardon and Marrero families, have had some struggles, but most sources specifically point out that these troubles have little to do with the show or the makeover. Most, like those of millions of other American families, are due to the recent recession



funny that you found three...
 
2011-05-16 12:16:55 AM  
Shahab: Home Makeover is only nominally about helping people and primarily about advertising.

And giving Ty an excuse to mince around with his shirt off.

//Shave off the soul patch- you look like a douche.
 
2011-05-16 12:18:33 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Dr. Nick Riviera: During my pediatrics rotation I had to deal with a mother who was obsessed with the idea that her daughter had neurocysticercosis. The kid was 100% fine. I wanted to smack the mom.

WebMD has basically done more harm than good by this point, what with all the nutty moms projecting all sorts of symptoms onto their kids.


Don't be knocking WebMD. At least now I know I am probably going to die from a brain tumor. This one time I was walking in the grocery store and I got dizzy. Now it could of been the fact there was an earthquake but I am leaning towards a non operable terminal brain tumor. You never know.
 
2011-05-16 12:25:15 AM  

Penman: Government can't allow people to live outside their class. That's why more people think they are becoming sovreign but are still subject to the same rules as every other U.S. Citizen


FTFY
 
2011-05-16 12:25:59 AM  

clowncar on fire: icam: Bathia_Mapes: That being said, I hope this doesn't deter Extreme Makeover: Home Edition from helping truly deserving families.

I haven't seen the show in a really long time but on the last episode that I watched they had built a needy family a large house with highly specific (to their interests) bedrooms that seemed like they would make the house really difficult to sell in the future without extensive renovations.

It's nice to see such families get a house makeover but I can't help but think that it might screw them over eventually.

/I say this without knowing exactly how they are provided for financially as far as the house and payments go

We all screw up our homes to the best of our ability in an effort to reflect our personal tastes. Tell me you haven't painted a room some variation of plumb, red, violet, pink, or this year's fad color, yellow. Maybe you got hooked on fung-she, country, or Tuscany. We do these things to our home because it's what keeps us happy or comfortable. What limits how extensive we modify is the limitations of our spending.

About the only time our "common sense" decorating sense kicks in is about the time we decide to sell our house.

The purpose of this make over is to tailor the home to the family's needs and personality- not give it a remodel so they can unload it after th cameras are shut off.

The renovation process which these homes undergo severely drive up the tax burden its occupants are required to pay. Knowing this, there is probably some sort of provision made to offset the costs made between the show's producers and the tax collection agents.

I'm not sure why the hate here. Someone mentioned that there was an excessive amount of promoting for certain brand names- WTF, did it ever occur to you that these companies hand over an ungodly amout of materiel during these renovations and an occasional pitch is not too much to ask for in return.

What these people do to help is a good thing. Not having to worry about the condition/safety of your dwelling is probably a huge bonus to some of these people who for the most part, seem to have gotten the shorter end of life's stick.


Oh please. Pull the stick out of your hole. You are trying to turn my comment from me trying to say that I'm happy that people get a better home into me belittling them.

Regarding your comment, I was referring to the episode with the Sugg family (I believe that's the correct episode). There's a difference between a family moving into a home and painting a bedroom eggplant purple and a down and out family moving from a run down house into a substantially larger house with a bedroom decked out like it's an underground fighting arena.

I already said that I am not sure of the financial agreements between the show and the people the homes are built for but if these families have to move than I'll assume that it will cost them a lot more to renovate themed rooms than to just add a new coat of paint.
 
2011-05-16 12:26:43 AM  

32oz High Life: This show built a house for a family in my neighborhood about a year ago. They're nice folks and the house is pretty cool.

/CSB


Helped build one of these in Montana. That family was deserving. I remember them mentioning later they liked the old house better.

/Also csb.
 
2011-05-16 12:40:31 AM  
There's no such thing as a "feminine a" sound

There most certainly is, and marketers know it. As to the may/might argument, you are correct and now I can shut up about it.
 
2011-05-16 12:46:49 AM  
Ah, the tautological economy.

When the only the only thing that matters is getting more money, the things that you do to get it make the quality of life you're working to attain, non-existent.

It never ceases to astound me the degree to which people have no concept of trying to climb out of a sewer by sh*tting in it.

Morals weren't some vestigial collection of antiquated notions designed to keep us from "achieving". The evolved. Think about it.
 
2011-05-16 12:46:52 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: I wasn't at all surprised that they suspect Munchausen by proxy.

That being said, I hope this doesn't deter Extreme Makeover: Home Edition from helping truly deserving families.


aragonphx: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Dr. Nick Riviera: During my pediatrics rotation I had to deal with a mother who was obsessed with the idea that her daughter had neurocysticercosis. The kid was 100% fine. I wanted to smack the mom.

WebMD has basically done more harm than good by this point, what with all the nutty moms projecting all sorts of symptoms onto their kids.

Don't be knocking WebMD. At least now I know I am probably going to die from a brain tumor. This one time I was walking in the grocery store and I got dizzy. Now it could of been the fact there was an earthquake but I am leaning towards a non operable terminal brain tumor. You never know.


Yep, you can pretty much tell if a kid really has something like that as soon as you walk into the room. Incidentally, that little girl looks fine even when she is using the breathing apparatus. I love the quote in the article, "if the kid can scream, they can breathe." It's true, the really sick ones are the ones that don't have the energy to make a fuss.
 
2011-05-16 12:58:42 AM  

themasterdebater: Bathia_Mapes: That being said, I hope this doesn't deter Extreme Makeover: Home Edition from helping truly deserving families.

I used to watch the show because the premise was something worthwhile watching, until I realized very quickly that the houses they were moving into were palaces fit for a king. I've read story upon story of families who get these houses for free, end up moving out within a year or two, because the property value is so ridiculously high, they can't afford to actually live *IN* the house afterwards, and God forbid if something were to break - can you imagine having to fix a leak for an in-ground swimming pool?

Such a waste of resources in the end - but that's not what you see on TV. Seriously, if the producers really wanted to help people in peril, why not build them a home that they can afford to keep. Unfortunately, mediocrity doesn't get the big ratings and advertisers.

Who the hell *NEEDS* a solar heated swimming pool?


Definitely true. As in the article, they could have easily done mould abatement on their old house. Tear out the old drywall/spray and seal any structural surfaces (wood) with mould. Then figure out where the excessive moisture was coming from and fix it. Then work on the ventilation. Install an HRV to pump fresh air in the girl's room/remove moisture from bathrooms/kitchen/laundry room (so less risk of future mould problems. and a simple MERV 13 (or whatever) media air filter and you are done. Suppose you could also add a dehumidifier if their A/C unit is waay oversized/they need even more dehumidification. No need to go to these stupid extremes.


Though, wanted to add one thing. "in-ground" swimming pools really aren't that different from their above ground cousins. Most have a membrane of some sort so that, if there is a leak, it you just buy a new one. Not anymore expensive in that respect. Some are still concrete/tile, but even those, if they do leak/can't be easily fixed, are easily converted. As for the solar heat, we had a system for our above ground pool, nothing too fancy, just a bunch of black plastic that the water went through, did a good job too. My boy scout camp had a ghetto version. they basically had some black piping that was coiled in the sun. Solar heat really isn't that ridiculous. Now if they had a fancy heat pump system, I'd be more critical.
 
2011-05-16 01:03:48 AM  

gadian: Yeah, take struggling, dysfunctional families and just give them a huge house with huge property taxes because that'll solve all their problems. Instead of, you know, maybe paying some medical bills, hiring a therapist, or even a financial advisor to help them live within their means.


And just how the fark is Sears supposed to sponsor that shiat?!

My fiancee loves that stupid show, because she likes to see what they build after they tear down the houses. All I have to do is make fun of the disabled people they're "helping" until she asks me to leave.
 
2011-05-16 01:07:29 AM  
Chuck and Terri Cerda beamed as they viewed the haven, but their joy didn't last long.

They said they couldn't afford the increased cost of operating the larger home. By fall 2009, the house was for sale and the family moved to


I've often wondered about that happening. In CT the taxes on any of those McMansions would be astronomical (never mind the operating costs) and if the parents aren't engaged in energy speculation, there's no way for them to afford the tax bill.
 
2011-05-16 01:13:21 AM  

Be Well: Gyrfalcon: fanbladesaresharp: FTA it says their old Vegas home was filled with mold...mold is a problem in Vegas? Is anything there even old enough in 4% humidity to grow mold?

You never heard of dry rot?

Plus, Vegas isn't 110 and dry in the winter. They don't get much rain, but that doesn't mean they don't get humidity. And if the house was built "too tight" because they want to try to keep the summer heat out, that means the condensation made by pots on the stove, the showers, etc if not properly vented, goes into the drywall and promotes mold growth.

Thats why although you want to wrap your walls with a vapor barrier, you don't want things so airtight that the humidity outside is 5% but inside its 20% (or worse) because nothing can get out....


20% is fine. Humidity can be up to 50% and cause no problems. Well, it can, but only if you live in a cold climate where air infiltrates out and condenses. With vegas being so dry, you'd have to either never vent anything, or have a humidifier running to get mould issues. Florida/the houston area is another story, things will just mould.
 
2011-05-16 01:18:13 AM  

Penman: itazurakko: Penman: That's why more people are becoming sovreign.

Woah - there's people who actually buy into that sovereign citizen crap?

There is not enough popcorn in the WORLD.

If the government was going to take your house you'd think differently.


So... avoid taxation by relocating your assets to Fantasy-land?
 
2011-05-16 01:29:48 AM  

joe not appearing in this picture: We need the good old days where we could work at a fast food joint flipping burgers and the bank would give you a huge loan to buy a big house. Oh wait that didn't work did it?


We need the good old days when a guy making burgers could afford to buy a modest house for his wife and kids. Back before the right sold us all down the river to the crony capitalists and foreign multinationals
 
2011-05-16 01:34:25 AM  

Sliding Carp: Dr. Nick Riviera: During my pediatrics rotation I had to deal with a mother who was obsessed with the idea that her daughter had neurocysticercosis. The kid was 100% fine. I wanted to smack the mom.

FTA - Is it even possible to both:
1. have Primary Immune Deficiency Disease, and
2. Be susceptible to auto-immune disorders
?

Also, slight threadjack since there's a Dr. in the house -
what would the diagnosis be if a patient came into a psych walk-in with a fistful of paperwork and said, "I have Munchausen's syndrome - see, here's all my records from other psychs"?


Eh it's possible for an auto-immune disorder to knock out selected portions of the immune system. For example, mess up the thymus and your t-cells are pretty much screwed. Their are also cases of the immune cells just being defective and thus doing inappropriate things, while still sucking at killing invaders. So they can be linked. Of course it is much more common for auto-immune conditions to result in other, non-primary, immune deficiencies (for example patients who needed their spleen removed due to auto-immune blood cell destruction).

That said, it sounded like these kids never ended up as inpatients. I'm sorry, but if they were as sick as the mother claimed they would have a few week long hospital stays already.
 
2011-05-16 01:41:33 AM  

Gyrfalcon: You never heard of dry rot?


You do know dry rot doesn't have anything to do with being in a dry environment, right? It's rot that happens in dried wood, due to moisture intrusion. Wiki is your friend: It would appear to be a paradoxical term seemingly indicating decay of a substance without the presence of water. However, its historical usage dates back to the distinction between decay of cured wood in construction, i.e. dry wood, versus decay of wood in living or newly felled trees, i.e. wet wood.
 
2011-05-16 01:47:04 AM  

mephisto6: lionfish: mephisto6: ZeroCorpse
You know what sucks about that show? They only help people who ALREADY OWN A HOUSE by GIVING THEM A BETTER F♥CKING HOUSE!

What about us apartment dwellers that can't even get a house these days?...

You know what, I sold my house in CA to move here for a job deal. Sold that house a year later to move closer to the office and now I'm in a 3-bedroom apt. It's a little over-sized, but I like having one for sleeping, one for guests, and an office. Fraction of the cost of a house in Scottsdale too, and I get an overlook of the pool with room on the balcony to grow some herbs, billiards room, indoor basketball, weight room, media center...
Where was I going... oh yeah - apartments aren't all that bad! Especially when you can text the office to change a flippin' light-bulb ;)

/doughnuts and juice at the gates on Fridays!

Who is your property management company? Sounds like someone I used to work for.

Also, i've worked for extreme make over, so I'm getting a kick...

Pillar Communities. They just added carpet cleaning (free) and masseuse (not free) on this year's lease. So thanks for that, if you were involved..

What part of the show were you involved in?


I worked for a few days on the house they did in vacaville Ca. I helped wherever i could from helping tear out the old house, set forms for the foundation to handing out water and driving folks around.

Ty is a super cool compassionate guy in my experiance. Michael the designer? not so much. He's an ass, a hatefilled ass.

Also, Paul and Ty, hate each other.
/Was the most well organised thing i've ever seen. We took over 4 blocks.
//Fun fact. The families know. The houses are built and inspected off site and brought in sections. then sheetrock is added.
 
2011-05-16 01:48:49 AM  
Also, being there for the reveal is truly a great thing. You can feel the love for real when that goes down. It's hard to describe.
 
2011-05-16 01:50:57 AM  
She should just go back and face the peril.
 
2011-05-16 02:13:53 AM  

lionfish: mephisto6: lionfish: mephisto6: ZeroCorpse
You know what sucks about that show? They only help people who ALREADY OWN A HOUSE by GIVING THEM A BETTER F♥CKING HOUSE!

What about us apartment dwellers that can't even get a house these days?...

You know what, I sold my house in CA to move here for a job deal. Sold that house a year later to move closer to the office and now I'm in a 3-bedroom apt. It's a little over-sized, but I like having one for sleeping, one for guests, and an office. Fraction of the cost of a house in Scottsdale too, and I get an overlook of the pool with room on the balcony to grow some herbs, billiards room, indoor basketball, weight room, media center...
Where was I going... oh yeah - apartments aren't all that bad! Especially when you can text the office to change a flippin' light-bulb ;)

/doughnuts and juice at the gates on Fridays!

Who is your property management company? Sounds like someone I used to work for.

Also, i've worked for extreme make over, so I'm getting a kick...

Pillar Communities. They just added carpet cleaning (free) and masseuse (not free) on this year's lease. So thanks for that, if you were involved..

What part of the show were you involved in?

I worked for a few days on the house they did in vacaville Ca. I helped wherever i could from helping tear out the old house, set forms for the foundation to handing out water and driving folks around.

Ty is a super cool compassionate guy in my experiance. Michael the designer? not so much. He's an ass, a hatefilled ass.

Also, Paul and Ty, hate each other.
/Was the most well organised thing i've ever seen. We took over 4 blocks.
//Fun fact. The families know. The houses are built and inspected off site and brought in sections. then sheetrock is added.


I don't know the people (ty, paul, michael) you speak of, but admire your selfless effort to help your fellow man.
Nicely done, brother. Nicely done.
I tip my hat

/if I had a hat
 
2011-05-16 02:29:39 AM  
I'm betting that Ty Pennington doesn't give a damn, because that smug mo'fo gets paid either way. Anyone ever notice how he looks like he could be George W. Bush's kid? Seriously, he kinda looks like a young GWB Jr., it's creepy.
 
2011-05-16 02:32:24 AM  

Sliding Carp: Dr. Nick Riviera: During my pediatrics rotation I had to deal with a mother who was obsessed with the idea that her daughter had neurocysticercosis. The kid was 100% fine. I wanted to smack the mom.

FTA - Is it even possible to both:
1. have Primary Immune Deficiency Disease, and
2. Be susceptible to auto-immune disorders
?

Also, slight threadjack since there's a Dr. in the house -
what would the diagnosis be if a patient came into a psych walk-in with a fistful of paperwork and said, "I have Munchausen's syndrome - see, here's all my records from other psychs"?


It's possible. Some forms of primary immune deficiency make it so that the immune system works less like a police force and more like retarded berserkers with ADHD. I have a form of PIDD that basically means I won't develop an immunity to anything until the third or fourth time I catch it, and every time my immune system gets riled up, it's going to attack something it's not supposed to, as well. It sucks having white cells that take the short bus to battle.
 
2011-05-16 03:27:17 AM  
A friend of mine got a free house and $50,000 from Ty and Co. and it quite nearly ruined his life. 5 years later the action of giving a mansion to a poor person is still percussing.
 
2011-05-16 03:42:03 AM  
PS not saying they all end that way but just his did; he is actually mentioned earlier in the thread.
 
2011-05-16 04:56:25 AM  
If their old house really was bad with mold, that could cause all sorts of stuff by itself- just moving to a new house may have alleviated all their problems over time.
 
2011-05-16 05:05:00 AM  
God, bulljive like this just burns me up when girls with real medical problems have trouble raising a few grand.

\ Knows the family
\\ They never got an answer from the Extreme Makeover folks, but that's just life
 
2011-05-16 06:47:43 AM  
I watched the first season of this show rapt, but since then my cynical-meter has gone off the charts. Instead of building one obnoxiously large 7,500 sf home, why not go in and build 5 reasonably priced 1,500 sf homes for 5 deserving families? Oh, because product placement and ratings. Right. This is more of a lottery than public service.
 
2011-05-16 07:45:25 AM  
Last night when I read this article I was all like "OMG she's hurting her kids" and then I remembered two things...

1) Oregon is where those social workers kidnapped that Canadian kid a few years back over a missing bike helmet.
2) My mom got sick when I was a child. Our family doctor told her that her symptoms were entirely mental. She got a second opinion... at the Mayo clinic, and was diagnosed with an more uncommon variant of a common ailment. Some doctors are just lazy.

After remembering these two things, I'll give the mom in the article the benefit of the doubt.
 
2011-05-16 07:54:28 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: I wasn't at all surprised that they suspect Munchausen by proxy.

That being said, I hope this doesn't deter Extreme Makeover: Home Edition from helping truly deserving families.


It does sound like Munchausen by Proxy. But I'm no medical doctor, I just watch one on TV. I did have Extreme Makeover on last week and this one family (a mom with 3 daughters) had their house demolished and replaced with a farkin' mansion. They included a spa and one of the daughters had a bedroom that had LCD tv's in the floor. Seriously, WTF. It's one thing to help out and fix a broken down house, it's another to pimp that crib out to the point where a normal person would do a spit-take when viewing it on tv.
 
2011-05-16 08:01:40 AM  
So, this is my problem with that show. I worked on the night shift when they rebuilt the place in Lena, IL

First, the execs expected EVERYTHING to be donated, down to the last nail, screw, 2X4 and sandwich. Everything. They pretty much refused to pay for anything.

Second, the on-air "talent" was nothing but a bunch of whiny pussies. Except David Duchovney. He actually wanted to know about the family and the area and I got to give him a ride in my tractor (insert innuendo here).

Third, the family that got the house has now put it up on the market since mom and dad got divorced and the kids moved out. Now, it's on the market for about $750,000 in an area where houses are around the $75,000 range.

But, on the bright side I did get to help tear a house apart with a tractor. I've always wanted to do that.
 
2011-05-16 08:15:17 AM  

hockeychick: So, this is my problem with that show. I worked on the night shift when they rebuilt the place in Lena, IL

First, the execs expected EVERYTHING to be donated, down to the last nail, screw, 2X4 and sandwich. Everything. They pretty much refused to pay for anything.

Second, the on-air "talent" was nothing but a bunch of whiny pussies. Except David Duchovney. He actually wanted to know about the family and the area and I got to give him a ride in my tractor (insert innuendo here).

Third, the family that got the house has now put it up on the market since mom and dad got divorced and the kids moved out. Now, it's on the market for about $750,000 in an area where houses are around the $75,000 range.

But, on the bright side I did get to help tear a house apart with a tractor. I've always wanted to do that.


I'm putting tractor driving and demolition on my list of things I need to do.

/minor envy
 
2011-05-16 08:17:17 AM  
Submitter, it doesn't appear the mother (or parents) were lying. They behaved very much as though they believed their own claims. So either they were mistaken, or they were delusional. It looks to me like a mental disorder on part of the mother, and something like that should be approached from a medical perspective, i.e. she has an illness and should be treated. It is not normal to be so concerned with one's environment as to live in perpetual fear and and anxiety of one's health, so, yea, she needs help, and until that gets resolved, she's an unfit mother (I wouldn't say abusive, however).
 
2011-05-16 08:18:18 AM  

lisarenee3505: I'm betting that Ty Pennington doesn't give a damn, because that smug mo'fo gets paid either way. Anyone ever notice how he looks like he could be George W. Bush's kid? Seriously, he kinda looks like a young GWB Jr., it's creepy.


I don't see any resemblance to GWB.

I have this fantasy of bending Ty over a saw horse and............. you get the picture.
 
2011-05-16 08:26:09 AM  

xkillyourfacex: Submitter, it doesn't appear the mother (or parents) were lying. They behaved very much as though they believed their own claims. So either they were mistaken, or they were delusional. It looks to me like a mental disorder on part of the mother, and something like that should be approached from a medical perspective, i.e. she has an illness and should be treated. It is not normal to be so concerned with one's environment as to live in perpetual fear and and anxiety of one's health, so, yea, she needs help, and until that gets resolved, she's an unfit mother (I wouldn't say abusive, however).


Living with mold can truly f*ck up your health, but perhaps the mother took her concerns too far.
Also, doctors have way too much power to intervene and wreak havoc on your life and don't like their 'expertise' or authority being disregarded.
 
2011-05-16 08:26:41 AM  
In light of all the scandal with this show I recommend a new path for the home makeovers. Do it for extremely vain, rich, or people with no need for a home makeover, yet want to flaunt their fortune on TV. For instance, I'm in good health and working yet I would like a new house with all the newfangled state of the art in home entertainment and amenities custom-tailored to my peculiar nature. Of course it'd piss people off. People would scream at the TV when total assholes get this treatment, but they'd tune in every week to see which undeserving sonovabiatch gets the next dream castle.
 
2011-05-16 09:03:40 AM  
Don't laugh, I know how it is...

Everyday I worry that my next ingrown toenail will be my last.


/she's insane.
 
JTW
2011-05-16 09:21:07 AM  
FTA: "and instilled unwarranted fears that could cause emotional and psychological harm,"

If this is the new standard for taking children away from the parents . . . the state now can take any child away!
 
2011-05-16 09:33:38 AM  
I like the ones with black families, where the mom/ grandma do the pretend fainting thing when the bus moves off and they get to see their house for the first time.
 
2011-05-16 10:01:05 AM  
cdn.media.abc.go.com

Last week's was about a coach and the 3 daughters she adopted. Seriously, a day spa and a bedroom with LCD tvs in the floor?
 
2011-05-16 10:02:07 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: I wasn't at all surprised that they suspect Munchausen by proxy.

That being said, I hope this doesn't deter Extreme Makeover: Home Edition from helping truly deserving families.


Doesn't stop them from cutting corners or destroying neighbors' property whilst in the midst of construction- then leaving the repair work to pro-bono construction outfits who can't be bothered to finish the job once their 15 minutes of fame is over, either.

Come to think of it, it also doesn't stop 'em from posting pencil-necked security guards all around your property- which you so graciously donated for the purposes of the show setting up a much-needed staging area for their "humanitarian" efforts- who hassle your wife about walking the dog when he needs to do his business either... and despite it being hundreds of yards from any on-going camerawork.

Doesn't stop Ty Pennington from telling your local Pastor something to the effect of "we don't need no stinking benediction from you, Father," even though the family might have quite liked it after the deaths of their father and eldest son.

Grandstanding douchebag.

Yeah, I live next door- right next door- to one of these houses here in CT. The family was deserving, to be sure. A fire had gutted their only home and eight months later the father drowned in a nearby lake, with the oldest son giving his life in a fatal attempt to rescue his father.

But don't be too quick to think that the show is ALL about charity. The people who run it are quite a bit less than charitable off-camera, as I think nearly anyone whose had run-ins with them is bound to attest to.
 
2011-05-16 10:48:47 AM  

jst3p: themasterdebater: jst3p: themasterdebater: I've read story upon story of families who get these houses for free, end up moving out within a year or two, because the property value is so ridiculously high,

Really? Can you cite these stories?

'Extreme' home now on the market (new window)
Family has to sell "Extreme Makeover" Home - can't afford taxes & utilities (new window)
Extreme Makeover House Going To Foreclosure (new window)

There are more, but this is what I quickly found in 5 minutes.

Zoomaster: darkscout: Zoomaster: More and more are turning out to be frauds. Just like the family that kicked out all the foster kids as soon as they got the new house.

And more and more are being put into this situation:
They said they couldn't afford the increased cost of operating the larger home. By fall 2009, the house was for sale and the family moved to Oregon, where the parents that television producers found so compelling came under scrutiny.

How about building them something reasonable.

=======================
FROM WIKI, I know not the best source, but I'm right and going to bed now.

/play nice


Another criticism aimed at the show surrounds financial issues that some of the families have had after receiving the home makeover, the majority of which have been found to be grossly exaggerated or completely untrue altogether. The most common allegation is that most of the families have sold their houses due to their inability to pay for them, and that some have even gone into foreclosure. In fact, as of November 2010, all but three of the 150+ families helped by the show still reside in the houses given to them. Two of the families, the Hebert and Hassall Families, sold their houses voluntarily, while the third family, the Harper Family, did lose their house to foreclosure, but not because they could not afford it. The family decided to start a construction business and, in order to secure the loan needed to do so, they used their house as collateral with their bank. Due to the recent recession, the business failed, and the house was auctioned off. A few other families, including the Wofford, Vardon and Marrero families, have had some struggles, but most sources specifically point out that these troubles have little to do with the show or the makeover. Most, like those of millions of other American families, are due to the recent recession


funny that you found three...


==============

That was the point, the people CAN afford the houses, they just kicked out the foster kids after they got it, or they lied to begin with.
 
2011-05-16 10:55:01 AM  

Mi-go amigo: God, bulljive like this just burns me up when girls with real medical problems have trouble raising a few grand.

\ Knows the family
\\ They never got an answer from the Extreme Makeover folks, but that's just life


=========================



Like this girl? (new window)
 
2011-05-16 10:59:33 AM  

Zoomaster: jst3p: themasterdebater: jst3p: themasterdebater: I've read story upon story of families who get these houses for free, end up moving out within a year or two, because the property value is so ridiculously high,

Really? Can you cite these stories?

'Extreme' home now on the market (new window)
Family has to sell "Extreme Makeover" Home - can't afford taxes & utilities (new window)
Extreme Makeover House Going To Foreclosure (new window)

There are more, but this is what I quickly found in 5 minutes.

Zoomaster: darkscout: Zoomaster: More and more are turning out to be frauds. Just like the family that kicked out all the foster kids as soon as they got the new house.

And more and more are being put into this situation:
They said they couldn't afford the increased cost of operating the larger home. By fall 2009, the house was for sale and the family moved to Oregon, where the parents that television producers found so compelling came under scrutiny.

How about building them something reasonable.

=======================
FROM WIKI, I know not the best source, but I'm right and going to bed now.

/play nice


Another criticism aimed at the show surrounds financial issues that some of the families have had after receiving the home makeover, the majority of which have been found to be grossly exaggerated or completely untrue altogether. The most common allegation is that most of the families have sold their houses due to their inability to pay for them, and that some have even gone into foreclosure. In fact, as of November 2010, all but three of the 150+ families helped by the show still reside in the houses given to them. Two of the families, the Hebert and Hassall Families, sold their houses voluntarily, while the third family, the Harper Family, did lose their house to foreclosure, but not because they could not afford it. The family decided to start a construction business and, in order to secure the loan needed to do so, they used their house as collateral with their bank. Due to the recent recession, the business failed, and the house was auctioned off. A few other families, including the Wofford, Vardon and Marrero families, have had some struggles, but most sources specifically point out that these troubles have little to do with the show or the makeover. Most, like those of millions of other American families, are due to the recent recession


funny that you found three...

==============

That was the point, the people CAN afford the houses, they just kicked out the foster kids after they got it, or they lied to begin with.



I don't know if I'd be so quick to render that judgment quite so generally on families who've been helped by the show. Another thing that goes on off-camera that isn't really made much of in the show is financial counseling and advisement for those families- who until recently, likely haven't had a lot of money- in order to prevent them from spending it recklessly.

You could as easily argue that these results suggest it works in a fair number of cases- unlike that of many lotto jackpot winners...
 
2011-05-16 12:47:14 PM  

Zoomaster: Mi-go amigo: God, bulljive like this just burns me up when girls with real medical problems have trouble raising a few grand.

\ Knows the family
\\ They never got an answer from the Extreme Makeover folks, but that's just life

=========================



Like this girl? (new window)


Good heavens! If ever a link needed a Hero tag...
 
2011-05-16 01:00:46 PM  

Dr. Nick Riviera: I wanted to smack the mom.


can I pretend to be be that mom?

/yes I am a sick puppy
//medically healthy though...
///except for a few annoying allergies
 
2011-05-16 01:06:05 PM  
SkunkWerks

You should try being on the crew...
 
2011-05-16 05:21:50 PM  

hockeychick: SkunkWerks

You should try being on the crew...


Considering the stories I heard from a fair number of the local contractors working on my neighbor's place- concluding most profoundly that- if given the choice,- they would not work with Extreme Makeover Home Edition again- I can sympathize easy enough.

As for me, I had my own personal well-water locked onto by their RV town sitting out my back door- and despite specific and clear language in the contract that this very thing was NOT to happen under any circumstances. My lawn looks like a cross between a minefield and a landing strip- assuming that landing strip fielded the Hindenburg disaster. I had rocks, and other demo debris strewn around my property (and am still picking them up). I had to beg to get the pro-bono cleanup crew to remove a "christmas tree" that the build team had decided to dig a four foot post hole for, sink into the middle of my lawn, then leave the corpse to look pretty for MONTHS afterwards. I'm now nearly two years after the build and very little was ever done to heal my hurt.

But I live next to a "castle".

Best of all is probably that said Castle only looks "palatial" up to the limits of where they filmed. After that it's a mud-hole.

Classy.
 
2011-05-16 05:25:47 PM  
Oh, and I had Pennington's fat-ass RV blocking my driveway for close to a week.

Move that Bus indeed.
 
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