keylock71 :

can we use the term "freedom ticklers"? thanks.

mortisthecat


damn, damn, damn. beat by 19sec.

can we use the term "freedom ticklers"? thanks.


How about "frog feathers."

JamieD77:

I don't have time to address all your rantings point by point, but the "research" you're endlessly quoting seems to be straight out of the "create a sex/violence/abuse victim for psychological services profits" field manual.

The entire set of phenomena you claim exists is nothing more than same series of tired, canned, and utterly smashed and disproven spew that has been coming from anti-pornography funded "research groups", femi-Nazi radicals, and politico correctos for years.

You mindless drolls hang your hats on unproven causes or effects, there is a complete lack of direct evidence for any of your wildly exaggeratd claims, and you yourselves use childern as a leverage tool for your statements in a totally whorish manner for nothing more than shock value.

Tell you what though...since you seemed so concerned this for some reason....if you really want to do something about children being raped, exposed to pedophiles, and otherwise exploited...do your community a favor and start at your farking Catholic Church.

Well, for all you folks that missed the "Cognative Parenting" class... "You don't know nuthin bout raisin' no babies!"

Adios TGP's and free pr0n

I bet the vast majority of criminals, rapists and pedophiles were exposed to Christianity at an early age, either on TV, on the news, in sports, or in extreme cases their school or family.

That kind of strong correlation between exposure to organized Christian religion and a life of deviant behavior leads me to the only rational conclusion: Christianity must be banned from all public places, all media, and all sites on the Internet.

Christian filters can be devised to filter out words such as "Jesus," "Lord," and "Ashcroft."

Only through a strong focus on the family can we hope to overcome the scourge of on-line Christianity, and its negative effect on our youth -- the leaders of tomorrow.

Say, do we really want the guy who drank and snorted his way through college and got his daddy to fudge his criminal records telling us how to raise our kids?

AliceInWonderland :

On Fark, 19 seconds is a lifetime.....

Persnickety
Society needs shared morals since all laws are based on a set moral beliefs. In the USA we determine these morals via majority and sometimes super-majority votes.
Do you have any idea of the danger of what you've said?

Shared morals? Who will decide whose morals will be the standard for all? Oh, the majority vote. I don't remember voting about whether I thought murder was good or bad. If what you're talking about is any kind of legislation of morality, you run into the blatanly obvious point that one philosophy of what is moral and immoral (and how to drive away that immorality) will be enforced on perfectly rational, normal people whose views may not agree. Your model imposes (and if history is any indicator, quite forcefully) an effective theocracy that determines what is fit for the minds of its subjects.

Renting a DVD allows access only to that DVD, not all DVDs. The internet ain't like that.
Even worse analogy. Content is not forced at you. You must actively access it. The World Wide Web is just that...worldwide. There are good and bad parts of town. You can be reasonably sure that Yahoo!, MSN, ESPN, CNN, Amazon, eBay, and the like are not going to have pornographic popups and banners. Other sites will not be so selective in their advertising. Stick to the "tourist areas," and you'll be just fine. No imposing your morals on anyone else.

If you're talking about email, it's even easier.
Turn off the preview pane, and delete the obvious spam. It's not hard to do. Will the kids get some spam on their own accounts? Could be...now, do we follow some basic precautions to keep this to a bare minimum, and talk about (both proactively and reactively) the kind of things one might see? Or do we erect the bars and gates to make sure that nothing disturbing creeps into our ivory tower?

This is not 24/7 hawk-like vigilance. This is talking to your kids...a little bit every day. If you can't manage the time to pencil in a chat with your own children (not you specifically), you've got more serious issues to deal with.

Jeezus...porno isn't all hardcore shiat-eating beastiality lesbian bullshiat. It is, for the most part, just peeners and gines. It serves a great purpose....it enhances the masturbatory experience for single farkers and provides a hell of an enhancement for couples. Porn is not inherently evil! Stop acting like its only purpose is to corrupt kids and turn them into rapist murderer freaks.

Gone With The Wind...
Rhett forces Scarlett into sex by picking her up and carrying her to her room.
Today, that is RAPE.
Back then, it was good cinema.
Where did we go so wrong?

I think it was when we decided that women didn't need a good farking now and then. That's bullshiat. Every now and then every woman needs a good farking from Clark Gable and/or some equally rugged devilishly handsome man. I'll start.

PoorNographer:

Im sorry.. Im sure you'd like for us to raise a bunch of sex crazed perverts to fund your so called business

Myrnaminkoff:
"I think it was when we decided that women didn't need a good farking now and then. That's bullshiat. Every now and then every woman needs a good farking from Clark Gable and/or some equally rugged devilishly handsome man. I'll start."



I know I have said this before, but what are you doing tonight?

Using JamieD77's reasoning, I present the following:
On hot days, reseach shows that violent crimes go up a lot.
Research also shows that people are consuming ice cream in vast quantities on hot days.
On hot days, both ice cream consumption and violent crime increase vastly.
Obviously, ice cream causes violent crime! We must put forth legislation before congress to ban the evil, evil effects of ice cream!
I scream, you scream, we DON'T scream for violent crime.

Myrna Minkoff,
I'd be willing to take you up on that but I think my wife would protest and we might get arrested for all the deviant things we could do.

({to my wife}"It's a joke, honey... I swear")

JamieD77
I'm so sorry that I asked you to post your source. You do realize that you've completely and utterly sunk your own argument by linking to Donna Rice? Yes, Senator Gary Hart's Donna Rice. After she got busted boinking with a Presidential candidate, she vanished from site (oh, if only Jessica Hahn had done the same) then re-emerged as a born-again Christian with a "save the kids from sex" agenda. She has absolutely zero credibility.

GrandFool:

I would assume that it was the heat that caused the problem..

Say, do we really want the guy who drank and snorted his way through college and got his daddy to fudge his criminal records telling us how to raise our kids?

Holy Fark Dissent. Best. Post. Yet. LMAO

Persnickety
Society needs shared morals since all laws are based on a set moral beliefs. In the USA we determine these morals via majority and sometimes super-majority votes.

What ever happened to the tyranny of the majority? C'mon, even you can't believe this one. If i somehow convinced all americans that, hmm, wearing multithreaded fibers was, well, i dunno, lets say....a sin, do you really expect that you should have to do it?

keylock71
Without porn, I would never be able to open a jar of Gerkins.

Jerkin for gerkin?

3Horn

2003-08-13 03:18:10 PM JamieD77


GrandFool:

I would assume that it was the heat that caused the problem..

So we should make it illegal for people to go out to the beach on hot summer days, then, I assume? Or to leave their homes at all? Or that all cars be air conditioned? Or any myriad of stupid other laws to reduce crime?

How about we simply make illegal the offender (the criminals) and leave all the other bullshiat aside. Children aren't supposed to enter those websites, if that's what their parents want. Parents decide what their children get to see. Simple as that, isn't it?

JamieD77
Im sorry.. Im sure you'd like for us to raise a bunch of sex crazed perverts to fund your so called business

Well, I can assure you, that the more sheltered you keep your children from the real world, the more likely they are to steal your credit card and become one of his biggest customers.

3Horn

"You don't always have to fark her hard
In fact sometimes it's not right to do"

mortis, tonight I'm being balled discreetly by my rugged devilishly handsome boyfriend. At least, I hope I am.

JamieD77

You still have yet to lay out your exact stance on the matter.

keylock71
ROFL

JamieD77
"Photographs, videos, magazines, virtual games, and Internet pornography that depict rape and the dehumanization of females in sexual scenes constitute powerful but deforming tools of sex education. The danger to children stems at least partly from the disturbing changes in attitude that are facilitated by pornography."

Key words: "at least partly" and "facilitated".
IOW, there are a lot more factors and if parents (or other mitigating factors such as role models, siblings, etc) step in and actually talk to and educate the kids, the kids can actually make the socially acceptable decision. Go figure.

The problem of internet porn or whatever else is "immoral", by whoever's standards it doesn't really matter, is easily solved. All we have to do is look to our friend and ally China! They block everything they don't want their citizens to see. Now thats what I call a happy ending!

As to renaming sites .xxx or .kids. Where does it end? .catholic, .islam, .might be innapropriate for some kids whose parents are puritan zealots.

Porn, and porn spam are two entirely different things. The only way to stop it is to make it illegal in the US, and then block all e-mails from outside the US.

I can't believe how many people have kids and are AFRAID to
parent!! The fact of the matter is that you're aren't worried that your child will see porn, you're worried that society and your community, and maybe your church (if you swing that way), will see you as a horrible parent and blame you for what little johnny or jenny does. Then you in turn will blame society or anything else to alleviate your guilt.

Hmmm. I thought that the problem with the original Internet Decency Act was the fact that the U.S. can't legislate law that governs the entire internet, because the internet isn't entirely in the U.S.
Has Shrub found a way around that now?
WORST PRESIDENT EVER.

JamieD77
Of course you are, but that's just a classic text book example of how you can prove a link between just about anything, but the link itself doesn't necessarily prove anything.
The studies that you present smack of poor research. They are generally:
1.) Conducted with a preconceived biased. The best research is at least somewhat impartial. If you set out with an agenda, you will find ways to make the data say what you want.
2.) Poor methods of survey: Self-reports aren't the most reliable methods of analysis. People tend to fudge or exaggarate when describing their own behavior.
3.) Clear bias. If a conservative family values group is doing a study, and the survey participants are aware of what the study is trying to prove, it has been shown in the past that the participants will unwittingly try to skew their own self-reports so as to 'satisfy' the researcher.
4.) Once again, CORRELATION DOES NOT MEAN CAUSATION
5.) Unfortunately, these researchers didn't look at #4. I see a correlation, but I don't see any proof that the correlation is still statistically significant even when all other relevant contributing factors are accounted for.
6.) See #4. Sit there and say it over and over again to yourself until you figure it out.

oh, and btw, JamieD77 , very clever of you to change my name so as to make it into an insult. What a pithy jape! You made my monocle pop, sir!
Nice that you're resorting to insults, considering that i've given you the logical smackdown multiple times, and other people on here have been owning you even more severely than I have.

2003-08-13 12:01:33 PM allanhowls


ElwoodCuse
And not only that, but violence cannot be "obscene". Only sex can.
obscene P Pronunciation Key (b-sn, b-)
adj.

In other words, you're totally wrong. Definition #1 applies to whatever is repellent to the local standards. It is not just about sex.

No, I am 100% correct. Miller v. California is the basis for the obscenity statutes in every state, and in every statute, the definition requires the depiction of SEXUAL content.

MyrnaMinkoff
"mortis, tonight I'm being balled discreetly by my rugged devilishly handsome boyfriend. At least, I hope I am."



You ALWAYS say that when I ask you out! Damn your rugged devilishly handsome boyfriend! Damn him to hell!!!


Just kidding. About the damning, that is.

Generation_D-

Holy good goddamn yer on a roll!

JamieD77-

STFU. Your fear of reality is scaring me...
Your shiatty little brats are gonna giggle/grimace at necrobeastiality whether you like it or not.

GrandstandFoolosopher:

The highly reputable source, Gallup Polls, Inc.,
surveyed 1009 Americans during the month of October and asked them, "Do you believe correlation implies causation?" An overwhelming 64% of American's answered "YES", while only 38% replied "NO". Another 8% were undecided. This result threatens to shake the foundations of both the scientific and mainstream community

All we have to do is show the kids one tubgirl and they'll never look at porn again!!! :D :D :D

"so sayeth the shepard! so sayeth the flock!"

JamieD77?

I am taking a poll: How many Farkers think JamieD77 is a shmuck?

GrandstandFoolosopher:

The highly reputable source, Gallup Polls, Inc.,
surveyed 1009 Americans during the month of October and asked them, "Do you believe correlation implies causation?" An overwhelming 64% of American's answered "YES", while only 38% replied "NO". Another 8% were undecided.

Because they believed it, doesn't make it true. Ask 1009 kindergarten kids if they believe that there's a correlation between santa claus and christmas presents, a good 64 of them, at least, will say yes.

Blacks are poor, stupid people are usually poor too, i guess black people are stupid. That explains it, I'm stupid, and that's why i'm debating this nonsense with you. But does that me black?

JamieD77

seriously, lay off the crack/caffine/coke/sugar/choclate/speed. A good flame war is one thing, what you are doing is just down right weird.

moristhecat
One vote for: "Aye"

Hey everyone, if you guess the movie quote, you get a cookie!

"Mr. Merriweather, you don't know when you're licked"
"I'm not licked, boy, I'm tarred and feathered!"

All the smart kids go to password sites... Legislate away...

JamieD77

This result threatens to shake the foundations of both the scientific and mainstream community

no it doesnt. it makes them wrong.

JamieD77

You gotta be shiatting me, that was a fake article used by the Univ of Michigan's Psychology Dept as a flyer for it's weekly happy hour!

3Horn

mortisthecat

my vote is for schmuck

SirSuperSouthern
Yeah, thanks, now if we could just get John Olerud to get on a roll!

(I warm up on politics then switch over to what really matters, Seattle sports :)