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2003-08-13 11:39:31 AM  
sroth
you'd see with this kind of legislation, soon there would be no Boobie links for you, some kid, or anyone to look at.
wrong, there just won't be big naked boobies on the link taking you to the boobie page.
And I disagree with you that less porn is a bad thing.
 
2003-08-13 11:39:38 AM  
You can have my porn when you pry it from my cold dead sticky hand!
 
2003-08-13 11:40:59 AM  
If you ban alcohol... people will not drink it
If you ban pot.... people will not smoke it
If you ban prostitution... people will not pay for sex


Pot is banned?!?!? Uh oh...
 
2003-08-13 11:41:04 AM  
The .xxx and .kids TLDs are silly ideas. Only the US could force US companies to use those domains. The rest of the world can and will ignore it. The internet cannot be regulated like TV unless the government wants to get in to true internet censorship like forcing everyone to use a government-logged proxy server for all http requests. Very Orwellian.
 
2003-08-13 11:41:09 AM  
JamieD77

Go back and read your own post. The problem isn't sex. The problem is bad parenting. You said it yourself.

Childrens minds are already being warped just from watching the crap we have on BASIC cable these days

Maybe a better parent would go outside and play ball with little Johnny instead of plopping him down in front of the b00b tube.
 
2003-08-13 11:41:10 AM  
2003-08-13 11:33:59 AM Byrd


Normally, I would be against the gov't getting their fingers into stuff like this, but I think this is actually a good thing to be doing.

I would agree with jay_vee's earlier post about the uncle installing the software and monitoring his kids, and I will probably do the same, however the fact is that this stuff is so rampant on the internet that most people don't have the technical expertise to avoid it, let alone set up something to protect their kids from it.

Imagine going to the video store and having every other movie be some sort of porn. That's where the internet pretty much is. You can search google for just about anything and generate some sort of pornographic search results. All they're trying to do here is make it so that those movies don't have nudity on the cover. The content will still be the same.


You can change that. Google has parental search features. There's search engines built for kids, and parental controls. Sex is everywhere. Turn on a TV. If you want to stop your kids from looking at porn, then its YOUR responsibility. Simple as that.
 
2003-08-13 11:41:11 AM  
Again, even supposing these laws were enacted and upheld, they are unenforceable because the internet extends far beyond U.S. jurisdiction.
 
2003-08-13 11:41:12 AM  
Sort of funny how certain "left of center" individuals want to join the "personal responsibility" choir (in this case parental responsibility) when it come to p0rn. In most other cases, gov't knows best.

/not really ha-ha funny though
 
2003-08-13 11:41:12 AM  
Cola: The difference is that pictures of dead and maimed people are consistently considered against community standards, but porn is not. Yes, that depends on the community, but dead bodies are able to be regulated now, porn is free speech/expression/press...

I guess that helps make your point to an extent, but the comparison just ain't there.
 
2003-08-13 11:41:15 AM  
however the fact is that this stuff is so rampant on the internet that most people don't have the technical expertise to avoid it, let alone set up something to protect their kids from it.

So because they're not willing to learn to protect their children the government should do it for them? Interesting.
 
2003-08-13 11:41:31 AM  
Emperor-Jay :

Sweet rant!! So true, also.

/All for forced sterilization. #1 in line.
 
2003-08-13 11:41:54 AM  
If I ever have a kid, I would gladly let them watch "classic" 70's porn.
Sex and carchases. Nothing harmful. No animals. no shiat eating (why are Germans into that?).
 
2003-08-13 11:42:07 AM  
The one thing I dont get is where all these bible bangers get the time to worry so much about what other people are doing, I barely have enough time to take care of my own shiat, let alone yours.

"Now go home and raise your kid, before he robs me in 10 years." - Chris Rock
 
2003-08-13 11:42:51 AM  
Glad to be in israel...

/age of consent=16
 
2003-08-13 11:42:52 AM  
THIS LAW IS NOT ABOUT BANNING PORN. IT'S ABOUT MAKING THE LINKS TO PORN SITES ON NON-PORN SITES UNEXPLICIT

/read the article
 
2003-08-13 11:43:25 AM  
Persnickety
You are quite simply dead wrong.

The issue that we keep seeing here is that we allow ourselves (thanks to the ideology of panic that we Americans seem to love so much) to fall into the "think of the children" trap.

Fact is, most of us are not children. This is simply nothing more than an attempt to control what adults see, read, hear, and/or think...all in the name of "protecting children." We are being infantilized by our government and its cronies. Once the children are "protected" (though "insulated," "sheltered," or "kept in the dark" would all be better terms), then we're next. That's honestly what it's all about.

Do you seriously think that John Ashcroft, Jerry Falwell, Donald Wildmon, et al. give a tinker's damn about your kids (much less their own)? No, they have a very specific political/moral agenda that matters more to them than anything else in the world. To acheive their goals (as directly revealed to them by the Almighty Himself, no doubt), they will obliterate every single inconvenient law, right, and protection that is the basis for our country.

And yes, I am a parent. On the list of horrible things that could happen to my wonderful daughter, seeing a penis on a computer is pretty far down the list. No matter how pervasive my parental control might be, some stuff is going to slip through. What really matters is how I deal with it. To me, it's far more realistic that I would discuss "objectionable" things (whatever they may be) than to try to prevent her from knowing that they ever existed in the first place.
 
2003-08-13 11:43:41 AM  
why does it not surprise me that this thread is huge?
 
2003-08-13 11:43:41 AM  
Hell, the whole supreme court has been neutered.

Well, almost. Some Justices speak their minds, like Justice Kennedy, who spoke out against mandatory minimum sentences Not surprisingly, most of the media failed to report anything about this. So it might not be the Supreme Court is neutered, just under-estimated. Or, as a great idiot once said, "misunderestimated"
 
2003-08-13 11:43:54 AM  
As a good pron custiomer myself. i am still bafled that no one has of yet cracked dowen on NSFW pop ups and e-mails. Dancin' in Anson had a case where his child e-mail got spammed with graphic pics that supplied no warning...you pop the mail open and there it si a huge black (ding song)in some blonde girls mouth....

even at stores where kids are allowed they require a wrapper to cover everything.

so in summary...i love all the nakedness i can get, see, surf, etc. I just dson't like that some guy can send me an unsolcited mail with it in it withiut me asking.
 
2003-08-13 11:44:02 AM  
That said I don't think that most porn is child-friendly.

Uh, yeah, but that stuff will get you put in prison. ;0
 
2003-08-13 11:44:33 AM  
Demetrius
Can anyone tell me when looking at porn started turning kids into homicidal maniacs? I remember looking at a few 'Playboys' and 'Penthouses' when I was a kid, but I've yet to kill anyone, or do anything remotely bad enough to get me arrested.

What about the kitten?
 
2003-08-13 11:44:36 AM  
"Mom and Dad had far too many chores to keep a 24/7 watch on Junior."

Uh NO, Mom and Dad made Junior DO chores. Maybe you should make your lazy ass kids do a thing or two once in a while, and then you wouldn't have to worry about all this spare time they have to surf the web while you watch TV, I mean, while you are working on your parenting books.
 
2003-08-13 11:44:46 AM  
Hell, the whole supreme court has been neutered.

No, a couple of prostate surgeries does not a neutered Supreme Court make.
 
2003-08-13 11:44:54 AM  
Let me just chime in and offer a couple of comments on this.

1) The problems that most people associate with porn sites (spam, endless popups, dialers, etc.) ARE NOT coming from the United States adult site operators. The REAL problems are coming from sites run out of the former soviet states in eastern Europe. Attempting to legislate U.S. adult site operators in the hopes of addressing the spectrum of these problems is both stupid and futile.

2) Accessing free tours, free content, hell, even the right to enter one of my sites, already requires the person to affirm and acknowledge that they are:

a) over 18;
b) not in a place of setting where other may be offended by adult content;
c) that they are aware of their community standards for the delivery or possession of adult content.

3. As a site operator, I have absolutely NO CONTROL over little Billy if he steals a valid credit card from mommy or daddy and then enters my sites or buys my products. I'm sorry, but there is no way I can held responsible for the actions of your kid. If a parent calls us and informs us of such a situation, I'm even likely to refund your money. And since I'm a nice guy, most times I promise not to file criminal fraud charges against your kid.

4. No filter, no laws, and no blocking of content can ever replace parental care and proper adult supervision while your children are online.

Don't worry folks....there are those of us in the adult business who are working dilligently to assure that there will be boobies for a long, long time, and that Ashcroft and his rights-smashing regeime are kept at a safe distance through a series of common-sense legal arguements involving personal responsibility.
 
2003-08-13 11:44:57 AM  
You people obviously dont care if your kids grow up to be rapist, pedophiles or any of the other mental disfuctions that psychologist have associated with exposure to pornography at a young age..

Got some proof of that, 'cause I call bullshiat. Anyone who grows up to be a pedophile or a rapist has either been raped or molested in most cases or has other serious pychological problems. Veiwing people having sex at a young age is not going to turn you into a rapist or a molester.

For the record, I don't think anyone hear is suggesting kids watch hardcore porno. This isn't the government's problem, it's a parent's problem.
 
2003-08-13 11:45:12 AM  
Excuse me, but how does a porn site expose a child to porn? Does the porn site force it's self on a child while he/she is on the internet? Doens't the child go to the porn site? Isn't it up to the parent to stop their children from going to porn sites? Is this not a parents job? Shouldn't we be going after the parents instead for not raising their children the right way?

Oh wait, I am sorry, parents are not allowed to raise their children anymore thank to our government.
 
2003-08-13 11:45:22 AM  
Bukharin, the Germans aren't the bad ones, it's the Japanese. I remember a video series on consumptionjunction a couple years ago entitled "An Evening with the Japanese" Parts 1-6. It came with a disclaimer telling people not to watch the first one unless they were prepared to see the rest. Highly disturbing.
 
2003-08-13 11:45:43 AM  
Drew,

You get that age verification system in place yet?

The following items are required to get access:

Drivers License, Credit Card, Blood Test, three letters of consent from neighbors and clergy, oath to Satan written in Yak Blood and a picture of the registrant kissing the pope on the ass while stroking off the Shrub.
 
2003-08-13 11:45:50 AM  
Young_Fart
we'll probably all be getting our National Logon IDs soon

God, I hope not... My company can't even keep my network logon operational. How's it gonna be when I have to rely on the DMV to keep my authorizations updated???

/"Attention Citizen Val H. Customer! Access to Grocery Store is DENIED. Please lay face-down on the ground and wait for your captors to arrive. Thank you, Citizen `Val Hued Customer`."
 
2003-08-13 11:45:53 AM  
I knew I smelled Asscroft in there somewhere while reading that article.

Get these bible-thumpers outta office. It's just as bad as the mullah's using religion to stir up moslems.
 
2003-08-13 11:46:19 AM  
2003-08-13 11:42:51 AM dimerman


Glad to be in israel...


You know... I'm really resisting making a joke about this.
 
2003-08-13 11:46:23 AM  
compy486 - I'm kind of like the terminator - righty, but pro-choice/drugs/rights/help anti-gun/govt
 
2003-08-13 11:46:32 AM  
the_essdog
"THIS LAW IS NOT ABOUT BANNING PORN. IT'S ABOUT MAKING THE LINKS TO PORN SITES ON NON-PORN SITES UNEXPLICIT

/read the article"


LET US RANT!! IT FEELS GOOD!!!
 
2003-08-13 11:46:45 AM  
kpar90
Cola: The difference is that pictures of dead and maimed people are consistently considered against community standards, but porn is not.


And yet I see far more dead and maimed people on my television than I do porn. Go figure...

3Horn
 
2003-08-13 11:47:02 AM  
You people obviously dont care if your kids grow up to be rapist, pedophiles or any of the other mental disfuctions that psychologist have associated with exposure to pornography at a young age.. But dont let a little thing like that interfere with you consider your rights

Do you have a link to that study? The one that links mental dysfunctions to exposure to pornography?

Sort of funny how certain "left of center" individuals want to join the "personal responsibility" choir (in this case parental responsibility) when it come to p0rn. In most other cases, gov't knows best.

Sort of funny how certain "right of center" individuals want to join the "gov't knows best" choir (in this case absolving parental responsibility) when it come to p0rn. In most other cases, personal responsibility.

Rarr.
 
2003-08-13 11:47:04 AM  
quote unquote conservitives:

Go attack TV then. Being honest, I can say once you seen boobies, the little blurry thinggy doesnt stop much. Seen it once, see it a million times, that simple. ITS EVERYWHERE, is my point. BTW
 
2003-08-13 11:47:23 AM  
If children are too sheltered, they grow up weak and naive.
We should slowly expose children, so they understand how the world works.

Think of alcohol.
In the US, people bing drink at 21 because they can.
In Europe the binge drinking is much lower because they were brought up in a non-"binge" type drinking enviroment.
 
2003-08-13 11:47:36 AM  
JamieD77

You people obviously dont care if your kids grow up to be rapist, pedophiles or any of the other mental disfuctions that psychologist have associated with exposure to pornography at a young age

Lessee...I first saw porn (the real stuff, not just boobies) when I was 11 and have been spanking it ever since. I have a very large right bicep. BUT, I am not a rapist, pedophile nor do I have mental disfunctions. I just like to look at pictures of people doing the nasty.
 
2003-08-13 11:47:39 AM  
Vavliven

I've killed the kitten.
 
2003-08-13 11:47:52 AM  
NyQuiLlama
YES, stop those farkers from spamming smut in my email and pop-ups. Actually, while they are at it, stop all pop-ups (I know, I know, get Opera... whatever I have "Pop-up Stopper").


Just get the Google Toolbar v. 2.0 - it stopped almost ALL of the popups and it's quite unobtrusive. As a matter of fact, the toolbar is handy because Google is always available.

For some damn reason, it doesn't stop the damn airline ticket services, though. I don't know why. They must be using a advanced popup.
 
2003-08-13 11:48:13 AM  
wrong, there just won't be big naked boobies on the link taking you to the boobie page.

OR, once this legislation is passed banning pop-up adds, new legislation is passed making it harder to view porn of any type, followed by more legislation banning porn pages altogether. Give 'em an inch, and they take a mile. More gov't is not what is needed in this situation, more responsibility on a personal level is what is needed.
 
2003-08-13 11:48:22 AM  
2003-08-13 11:42:51 AM dimerman
Glad to be in israel...
You know... I'm really resisting making a joke about this.


Here's one for you, from my own little life:

My first wife was 16 when we got married. The shotgun her dad was holding was older than she was.

/it's funny, cause it's true.
 
2003-08-13 11:48:56 AM  
This law is not banning or censoring anything. Take a gas station that sells Playboy. They usually have them on the top rack with a black sleeve covering up everything but the title. That's all this little law/proposal thing is suggesting, except on the internet. The difference is, instead of Playboy they're covering up, it's a wide variety of internet porn that is far more graphic. So what's the problem?
 
2003-08-13 11:49:00 AM  
2003-08-13 11:46:45 AM 3horn


kpar90
Cola: The difference is that pictures of dead and maimed people are consistently considered against community standards, but porn is not.

And yet I see far more dead and maimed people on my television than I do porn. Go figure...

3Horn


And not only that, but violence cannot be "obscene". Only sex can.
 
2003-08-13 11:49:00 AM  
Nice close bold tag on that last one.

Try again:

NyQuiLlama
YES, stop those farkers from spamming smut in my email and pop-ups. Actually, while they are at it, stop all pop-ups (I know, I know, get Opera... whatever I have "Pop-up Stopper").



Just get the Google Toolbar v. 2.0 - it stopped almost ALL of the popups and it's quite unobtrusive. As a matter of fact, the toolbar is handy because Google is always available.

For some damn reason, it doesn't stop the damn airline ticket services, though. I don't know why. They must be using a advanced popup.
 
2003-08-13 11:49:15 AM  
For all of you out there that feel the state should raise your children... by that logic shouldn't the state pay for their health care and their higher education? I'm tired of the buffet-style politics that come into play. If you're gonna pass such inanane laws governing my morality, I better have a roof over my head and three hot meals a day, courtesy of the morality nazis.

The thinking so far... "Our country has rising unemployment, a so-so healthcare system, and rampant poverty-related crimes. It must be because they see porn on the internet."
 
2003-08-13 11:49:18 AM  
I would take a driver stoned to the bone, before I would bet on a drunkard.

/drunkard
 
2003-08-13 11:49:22 AM  
A few days ago, I thought Arnold Schwarzenegger made the stupidest, most obvious political comment ever when he said
"I'm for children!" Really? You are? Hehe, I thought "Ya, it's pretty obvious everyone's for children."

Then I came to fark. "Screw your children! If they want to use the internet, they're gonna have to deal with asian whore sex threesomes! I mean, this stuff has been happening for thousands of years, its normal! I want my porn, and if you want your child shielded from the *reality* of this porn, then you're a Christian religious fundie who'll destroy us all!"

Of course, there's some valid debate going on if this law will work as intended and if its constitutional. That's fine. I'm just amazed at those pathetic morons with the hippie liberal attitude of despising any legal attempts to protect children from porn.
 
2003-08-13 11:49:23 AM  
"Don't worry folks....there are those of us in the adult business who are working dilligently to assure that there will be boobies for a long, long time, and that Ashcroft and his rights-smashing regeime are kept at a safe distance through a series of common-sense legal arguements involving personal responsibility."



I....I love you, too.

/wiping away single tear on cheek.
 
2003-08-13 11:49:31 AM  
Politics is compromise. No politician or party is going to do exactly what you want. Hold your nose and pick the one least offensive to you.

You seem to be under the impression that there is much substantive difference between the two big parties. There isn't. Did the Clinton era usher in a 'broad renewal of freedom'? Hardly -- the drug wars were expanded to unprecedented levels and asset forfeiture became the buzzword to police depts. everywhere. Can you honestly say that this was a step forward?

Maybe Americans have lost the ability for political thought beyond aligning themselves with either repucrats or demoblicans...
 
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