Good old Bush. Never afraid to crush individual rights or start wars to further his preverse ultra-conservative, fundamentalist, born-again christian agenda.

I'm so glad we have a man that believes that Jesus personally speaks to him and commands him to do his bidding.

Well, as Bush said, he's mindful that "we're all sinners."

Wonderful.

I really liked this quote from the article fb posted above:

"God squats in his brainpan and tells him what to do."

Classic. Must be a small pan.

Reporter at 1988 convention: "Dubya, what do you and your dad talk about when you're alone?"

Dubya: "Pussy" (link).

As long as they don't chat on the web about it, they're legal.

Porn law? WTF?

/off to read this article.

Read the article...

"Olson said the main target was commercial pornographers who use sexually explicit "teasers" to lure customers."

How many of you enjoy NSFW spam and popups?

NyQuiLlama

Teasers as in web site clips, etc. Not spam/popups, specifically. This should be the parent's responsibility, not Ashcroft's. I'm tired of this 'think of the kids' bullcrap that's out there.

To parents:
Put up or shut up. If its shut up, don't put out.

weemill-

Please explain what a "web site clip, etc." is.

I'm pretty sure they mean pop-ups.

In these times of crisis, I hope all farkers can come together, just this once, and voice our unanimous cry:

Ashcroft no! Boobies yes!

2003-08-13 09:58:05 AM NyQuiLlama


weemill-

Please explain what a "web site clip, etc." is.

I'm pretty sure they mean pop-ups.

Most porn sites have some type of 'entry disclaimer' to let you know you're entering a porn haven. For nonmembers, there's always teaser films, and pictures, so you can be enticed to join. This is what I believe (read: speculation) they're talking about. I'm going to look up the case soon, and see what i can find out, re: specifics, but i'm kinda lazy and busy at work. Hopefully, i'll find something, though.

2003-08-13 10:04:06 AM Dancin_In_Anson


Good call weemill but minor problem. To explain:

We cam back from vacation and in the course of checking our email boxes, my 11 year old son had spam from all kinds of porn sites, many with some serious graphic shots. Our fav was the beastiality sites. Being good (we hope) parents, we pulled their email accounts and watch their time on the machine. Granted, we won't be able to shield them from everything, and we don't mind discussing such things with our kids but 11 is a bit early to be asking about hot horny honeys and their hung hounds.

that's the biggest problem with this law, though. There's no way to get the criminals involved. Most of them are from other countries and, as we all know, email spamming is the hardest crime to actually trace. There's no way to get around this, specifically, and there's already laws against spamming, so it would be a little redundant, wouldn't it? I hope i didn't insinuate that you're a bad parent, Dancin, as technology advances faster than human comprehension, usually. But there's services like net Nanny, cybersitter, etc. You can also put blocks on your son's email if their mail contains profane words, and also allow him to only get text based emails. You should be (relatively speaking) fine, then. Its hard though, i would agree. I'm still trying to find out where my herbal viagra is, if that's any consolation. Should be in the mail......

weemill

Okay, so we've both proven that the article isn't specific enough to back an arguement either way. Once we no more about the case we can form opinions related to it.

The case aside I say...

YES, stop those farkers from spamming smut in my email and pop-ups. Actually, while they are at it, stop all pop-ups (I know, I know, get Opera... whatever I have "Pop-up Stopper").

NO, don't require everyone to get an "AdultPass" membership to see some wholesome pornography.

I am conservative and it is idiotic reasons like this that makes it downright emberassing to be conservative right now. Bush is too busy running his religious right, Jeebus-endorsed agenda and taking away what civil liberties Americans have left.

OMG, I meant "know," not "no." I always think ppl that do that are sooo dumb. Now I'm in the club.

The meaning behind the law is good.. it's just the execution of it.

Web teasers are the 10 second mpg and wmv files you get when you go to sites like thehun.com and snakesworld.com

Not that i'm familiar with that...

Anyway... you could remedy the porn site problem for most kids with one of those website blockers they sell for parents.

Eudora has a beta version of it's mail program with a bayesian filter... porn spam is another problem... which is already being battled in court.

Prognosis? The law won't pass... Ashcroft is still using archaic thinking. Please remove him and the Bush Administration from the White House, thanks.

SuperCMC

Please, the name is "Jesus," have some respect.

2003-08-13 10:17:23 AM NyQuiLlama


weemill

Okay, so we've both proven that the article isn't specific enough to back an arguement either way. Once we no more about the case we can form opinions related to it.

The case aside I say...

YES, stop those farkers from spamming smut in my email and pop-ups. Actually, while they are at it, stop all pop-ups (I know, I know, get Opera... whatever I have "Pop-up Stopper").

NO, don't require everyone to get an "AdultPass" membership to see some wholesome pornography.

Actually, I use zonealarm, and don't get popups at home. I'd suggest the same, its free. People don't need to legislate their disdain for marketing, imho, unless its a complete disregard for personal sanctity, such as telemarketers (and only then, its because its become such a large overgrown problem, i think). Spamming laws exist, so why replicate them? Enforcement should be our next issue, and i think justly so, because its a drain on our dollars (bandwidth costs, hd space, etc.). Popups, imho, are like junk mail. Just tear it up and move on. If you can stop it completely (zonealarm, thank you), you're doing even better.

just my .02

Oh, Dancin, Nyquil

Just thought about it! ZoneAlarm's full version, also stops access to certain categories of web sites-chat, porn, etc. Its such a beautiful thing, man!

Just know, as children get older, they get smarter (faster than parents) and will be finding 'workarounds' for zonealarm's abilities. Kids do anything to see boobage...anything

From victoria's secret to scrambled porn, i did it all.

/thank god for HBO's real sex.

I always thought the adultpass was a good idea... requiring a credit card to access the meat of the site is pretty smart... except they usually have the goat-farking going on the main page though

weemill

I'm familiar with ZoneAlarm, I've used it. It is a good proggie and all but, for me the "training" and maintenance were too much of a hastle. Becides, my systems live behind a genuine HARDWARE firewall. Anywho, what stops a kid from simply closing ZoneAlarm... that would be a pretty damn easy work-around. And if you have a proxy server blocking pr0n, why not just go into Internet Options and disable the proxy server... the fact is most adults don't know how to safegaurd their children from the horrible thigs that reside on the Interweb. The kids know way more about operating the machine then they do.

the fact is most adults don't know how to safegaurd their children from the horrible thigs that reside on the Interweb. The kids know way more about operating the machine then they do.

Then learn. Adapt or get left behind. Don't blame Kodos.

Well, that's the problem Smookyfufu, adults don't want to learn so they either a) alow their 11-year olds free range, or b) don't alow the kids to use the InterWeb.

Option b) is a real travisty because, look at all the wonderful things we can learn and do on the InterWeb... like spend our entire day "farking"... argh... there goes my argument. ;)

2003-08-13 10:32:51 AM NyQuiLlama


weemill

I'm familiar with ZoneAlarm, I've used it. It is a good proggie and all but, for me the "training" and maintenance were too much of a hastle. Becides, my systems live behind a genuine HARDWARE firewall. Anywho, what stops a kid from simply closing ZoneAlarm... that would be a pretty damn easy work-around. And if you have a proxy server blocking pr0n, why not just go into Internet Options and disable the proxy server... the fact is most adults don't know how to safegaurd their children from the horrible thigs that reside on the Interweb. The kids know way more about operating the machine then they do.

That's true. But now, with Win2k/XP, you can set childrens' accounts as users, and actual, as you said it, hardware firewalls, its a lot easier to protect kids from pornography. It may take a little more work, but its well worth the safety. I think we're in agreement, though. There are tons of ways to protect kids from pornography. It just takes a little bit of work, and these laws won't, imho, stop it.

If you're that worried that your kid will work around your blocks, then put in a BIOS password and just don't let them use the machine unless you're around.

You can also buy Windows 2000 or XP and have the lovely fellas over at Best Buy (or your computer geek of choice) set it up for you so that you are the admin and your kid is a user and you control what applications the kid can use. This would let them use Word and other applications they may need for school while not allowing them to go online. IIRC, you can even let them go online, but only to specific sites. If you can't configure your stuff, hire a guy to do it for you.

Bottom line is - you are the parent. It is your job to protect your kids. I should not have to pay for your child with my personal freedom.

2003-08-13 10:38:09 AM NyQuiLlama


Well, that's the problem Smookyfufu, adults don't want to learn so they either a) alow their 11-year olds free range, or b) don't alow the kids to use the InterWeb.

Option b) is a real travisty because, look at all the wonderful things we can learn and do on the InterWeb... like spend our entire day "farking"... argh... there goes my argument. ;)

Best.bad rebuttal.ever!!!

The only thing that can stop it is everyone becoming a total computer nerd, which will take about 25 years. Therefore we'll have an entire generation of pervs.

2003-08-13 10:44:16 AM nightbreed


If you're that worried that your kid will work around your blocks, then put in a BIOS password and just don't let them use the machine unless you're around.

You can also buy Windows 2000 or XP and have the lovely fellas over at Best Buy (or your computer geek of choice) set it up for you so that you are the admin and your kid is a user and you control what applications the kid can use. This would let them use Word and other applications they may need for school while not allowing them to go online. IIRC, you can even let them go online, but only to specific sites. If you can't configure your stuff, hire a guy to do it for you.

Bottom line is - you are the parent. It is your job to protect your kids. I should not have to pay for your child with my personal freedom.

Very well put. I think we're all saying the exact same thing. This must be a fark first. Bring on the babes.

Here's a good site btw (NSFW, of course) www.bigtitsroundasses.com

great stuff!

Cover up that boob!

Ashcroft, not the statue of course.

Maybe this will keep the heat off the headshops for a bit. (Calls to order some custom glass)

weemill

I'm with you, I think this is a fark first, especially with the headline being so politically dividing.

Let's celebrate by turning this thread into a boobies-a-thon.

It's for the protection of children, and I am all for it. If you are the age of consent, look at all the online porn you want. I dont want my kids getting emails with porn links on them, and parental protection on browsers is a joke. Bash Bush all ya want, but the law protecting kids is a good one.

That's one hell of a leader your nation has. Remember, when porn is outlawed, only outlaws will have porn.

The previous administration gave it up because of constitutional concerns, but this sort of thing is evidently not important in this administration.

I'm starting to really sympathize with the "regime change begins at home" people...

Politically dividing, yes...but look at our sample here. Look at the main audience, and look at the content Fark is famous for.

2003-08-13 10:56:41 AM nothingyet


It's for the protection of children, and I am all for it. If you are the age of consent, look at all the online porn you want. I dont want my kids getting emails with porn links on them, and parental protection on browsers is a joke. Bash Bush all ya want, but the law protecting kids is a good one.

sounds like someone needs to be a better parent.

NyQuiLlama

Agreement was nice, while it lasted, eh, bro?

Is this guy on a mission to alienate himself from the entire human race or what?

Ah, the power of Jes.

Hooray for christian politicians.

Fark declares war on the republican party

It's for the protection of children, and I am all for it.

Keep your damn kids off the net then. I'm not willing to sacrifice in order to accomodate your inability to control your kids.

Do you know what the best filter is?

ITS CALLED PARENTING!!!

God forbid someone take responsibility for their own children. It doesnt take a village it takes, one (1) just one parent to get off their ass, kick their kid out the door and turn the tv/computer/video games off.
H Clinton is the anti-christ.

To recap. no village, just parent

Even if they did pass this law, overseas pr0n purveyors would laugh at it and continue to do business as usual.

Keep in mind that this law could be used to prosecute spammers...

NyQuiLlama

How many of you enjoy NSFW spam and popups?

How many of you think this law will stop NSFW spam and popups? The only thing the law will do is put an end to free/available/quality porn. The daily messages featuring giant wangs and nasty asian piss porn will continue to assault my inbox. The popups might become less common, but do you think most operators who send countless porno popups to your desktop once you open up a given page care about laws? They're probably peddling mp3's or illegal software or something similar.

This might actually cause more illegal acts like credit card fraud and identity theft. Now there will be fewer sites that don't ask for sensitive info and the not-so-tech-savy perverts will be more inclined to give out things like cc #'s, SSN's, addresses, etc..

Too bad i can't get to your site [FriendGirl] Websense sucks. And since we are talking about a war on porn how's that war on drugs going?

2003-08-13 11:00:31 AM AHeitman


Do you know what the best filter is?

ITS CALLED PARENTING!!!

God forbid someone take responsibility for their own children. It doesnt take a village it takes, one (1) just one parent to get off their ass, kick their kid out the door and turn the tv/computer/video games off.
H Clinton is the anti-christ.

To recap. no village, just parent

Not to split hairs, but i do think it takes a village (in the best of all worlds). This one, though, doesn't take a village, if by "village" you mean "legislation."

Fark Ayatollah Bushmani, and his Sharia laws....

Why is everybody biatching about the teasers going away? Who has time to masterbate to them anyway......find some real free porn on the net and stop complaining, pussies