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(The Hill)   Because the federal gas tax doesn't already hit those who drive farther the hardest, the Obama administration floats a plan to tax cars by the mile   (thehill.com) divider line 274
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2011-05-05 10:15:46 AM
I've just incorporated as a business that rolls back odometers. It's all we do
 
2011-05-05 10:19:06 AM
You know who will LOVE this? Truckers.
 
2011-05-05 10:20:24 AM
Yeah, History's Greatest Monster strikes again. WTF is that guy's problem.
 
2011-05-05 10:21:26 AM
This would also be a great way to track every car on the road. To keep us safe, of course.
 
2011-05-05 10:23:18 AM
we must all feed the beast. Maybe he thinks there are more voters that don't drive great distances; his primary motivation seems to be to raise income by taxing those that constitute a small minority or that would not vote for him anyway.
 
2011-05-05 10:27:18 AM

nekom: You know who will LOVE this? Truckers.


Trucks would be exempt, I'm sure. They already pay their share of road maintenance through diesel taxes, and they aren't going to convert to batteries anytime soon.

Taxing by the mile solves a small car problem.
 
2011-05-05 10:29:05 AM

Marcus Aurelius: This would also be a great way to track every car on the road. To keep us safe, of course.


I don't think tracking will fly. I won't accept it. I don't think anyone will.
 
2011-05-05 10:34:27 AM

hillbillypharmacist: Marcus Aurelius: This would also be a great way to track every car on the road. To keep us safe, of course.

I don't think tracking will fly. I won't accept it. I don't think anyone will.


I didn't think we would accept people strip searching us, patting down our children in public places, and sending us through x-ray scanners, either, yet, here we are. Whatever. My commute is next to nothing. Sure, hit those folks who have to drive further to get to work. Talk about a regressive tax...
 
2011-05-05 10:36:46 AM

Nabb1: Sure, hit those folks who have to drive further to get to work. Talk about a regressive tax...


Gas taxes are already regressive. And there's no liberal rule that all taxes must be progressive, especially when it would be impossible to do so.
 
2011-05-05 10:38:10 AM
I like to think about all the folks who can't afford to live near the downtown area, and have to live out in the boonies to be able to own a house. They'll really like this idea.
 
2011-05-05 10:38:33 AM

Chindit: his primary motivation seems to be to raise income by taxing those that constitute a small minority or that would not vote for him anyway.



Yeah. That's why he let the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy expire.
 
2011-05-05 10:38:58 AM

Eddy Gurge: I like to think about all the folks who can't afford to live near the downtown area, and have to live out in the boonies to be able to own a house. They'll really like this idea.


Gas taxes already exist.
 
2011-05-05 10:43:13 AM

hillbillypharmacist: Gas taxes already exist.


Yep, but this looks like the possibility of a new tax, on top of what they already budgeted for, unless this will get rid of the gas tax, and be a wash.
 
2011-05-05 10:43:34 AM

hillbillypharmacist: nekom: You know who will LOVE this? Truckers.

Trucks would be exempt, I'm sure. They already pay their share of road maintenance through diesel taxes, and they aren't going to convert to batteries anytime soon.

Taxing by the mile solves a small car problem.


I would think they'd be exempt but TFA makes no mention of it either way.
 
2011-05-05 10:46:54 AM

hillbillypharmacist: Nabb1: Sure, hit those folks who have to drive further to get to work. Talk about a regressive tax...

Gas taxes are already regressive. And there's no liberal rule that all taxes must be progressive, especially when it would be impossible to do so.


Which is another reason not to pile more on top. Like I said, I really don't care, and I think we should put more into public transportation, but it's probably not a good idea overall.
 
2011-05-05 10:51:35 AM
So when we're all homeless and living out of our cars, can we oppose the tracking devices on the grounds that we don't want the government in our bedrooms?
 
2011-05-05 10:52:56 AM

Eddy Gurge: Yep, but this looks like the possibility of a new tax, on top of what they already budgeted for, unless this will get rid of the gas tax, and be a wash.


Nabb1: Which is another reason not to pile more on top.


I'm pretty sure a new tax structure for road maintenance won't be 'on top of' the existing gas taxes. If they do that, then it would be the stupidest move ever.

It only makes sense that it would be one thing or the other, but not both.
 
2011-05-05 10:53:09 AM

Gulper Eel: So when we're all homeless and living out of our cars, can we oppose the tracking devices on the grounds that we don't want the government in our bedrooms?


Not if you're a republican.
 
2011-05-05 10:54:24 AM
Did anyone notice that the proposed legislation isn't to enact a tax based on miles driven, it's a law proposing a study to be set up to study the feasibility of such a law?

Do people not read this shiat anymore?

Also, isn't the mileage tax generally proposed as a replacement for the gas tax?
 
2011-05-05 10:56:13 AM

RexTalionis: Did anyone notice that the proposed legislation isn't to enact a tax based on miles driven, it's a law proposing a study to be set up to study the feasibility of such a law?


Exactly. The law is to figure out how best to change the tax structure so that vehicles of all fuel types are fairly charged for road maintenance. But it doesn't actually DO it. That part will come later.
 
2011-05-05 10:59:23 AM

RexTalionis: Do people not read this shiat anymore?


Did we ever read this shiat?
 
2011-05-05 10:59:56 AM

Eddy Gurge: Yep, but this looks like the possibility of a new tax, on top of what they already budgeted for, unless this will get rid of the gas tax, and be a wash.


Actually it would benefit people who drive lower mileage vehicles. If you have a Prius and a Hummer that drive the same number of miles, the Hummer owner pays a lot more in taxes via the gas tax than the Prius owner does, simply because he uses a lot more gas. By the mile, they'd both pay the same.
 
2011-05-05 11:01:08 AM
I think it'd be neato if the government could track my car everywhere, and even better if there were cameras streaming the interior of the car and any conversations back to a central location so the police would know I'm such a nice guy.

Better yet, maybe a little screen on the dashboard that would inform me of how much was just automatically deducted from my checking account for the fine levied when I was going 56 in a 55MPH zone. And if that put me over the points limit on my license, the car would just shut off. That would be extra handy.
 
2011-05-05 11:03:02 AM

hillbillypharmacist: Gas taxes already exist.


Think of it as a Leaf tax.
 
2011-05-05 11:05:47 AM

Chindit: we must all feed the beast. Maybe he thinks there are more voters that don't drive great distances; his primary motivation seems to be to raise income by taxing those that constitute a small minority or that would not vote for him anyway.


Remember the tanning tax? yeah that is a hidden tax on white people
 
2011-05-05 11:06:40 AM

Eddy Gurge: Yep, but this looks like the possibility of a new tax, on top of what they already budgeted for, unless this will get rid of the gas tax, and be a wash.


Oh, and I forgot to say:

But it won't be a wash, even if the revenue is exactly the same. Using less gasoline will address some environmental concerns, and make us less dependent on oil. Good things.
 
2011-05-05 11:13:49 AM

DozeNutz: Chindit: we must all feed the beast. Maybe he thinks there are more voters that don't drive great distances; his primary motivation seems to be to raise income by taxing those that constitute a small minority or that would not vote for him anyway.

Remember the tanning tax? yeah that is a hidden tax on white people


HAHAHAHAHA...sure.
 
2011-05-05 11:17:21 AM

DozeNutz: Chindit: we must all feed the beast. Maybe he thinks there are more voters that don't drive great distances; his primary motivation seems to be to raise income by taxing those that constitute a small minority or that would not vote for him anyway.

Remember the tanning tax? yeah that is a hidden tax on white orange people


Who gives a fark? Skin cancer will eventually remove them from the workforce/tax base before their time.
 
2011-05-05 11:50:37 AM

Chindit: we must all feed the beast.


I thought you were one of the "starve the beast" guys. Only opposed to income tax?
 
2011-05-05 11:59:49 AM
Sweet Melissa- I'm a lifelong Republican, which, in the sheer black and white world of TF makes me, well something... I believe everyone should pay something. It's easy to whine about "my taxes" which I don't,I pay them- Income (plus self employment) property, sales, gasoline, capital gain (not today,thanks dow) and all the others. I vote for people that promise to lower mine,and am always disapointed. It's not so easy to watch a bloated federal government find another way to monitor and control behavior using the Federal Tax code as both carrot and stick. Making us equally uneducated and poor doesn't make us all better.
 
2011-05-05 12:49:25 PM

Chindit: Making us equally uneducated and poor doesn't make us all better.


Whoah whoah whoah. The government has been offering tax credits to people who don't go to college?
 
2011-05-05 01:24:45 PM

hillbillypharmacist: Using less gasoline will address some environmental concerns


I must be missing something then. This doesn't seem to discourage gasoline usage, it just raises the taxes on folks who drive further, whether it is the guy in the Prius driving 40 miles to work, or the guys commuting from way out it the boonies who want to come and trim my tree with the big dead branch.
 
2011-05-05 01:32:45 PM

Eddy Gurge: This doesn't seem to discourage gasoline usage, it just raises the taxes on folks who drive further


Yeah, my comment was muddled.

I'm not saying that a tax-by-mile structure would discourage gasoline use. Climbing gas prices are going to discourage gasoline use. And when it does, we'll need a different road tax to replace the current scheme. And after implementation, even if the revenues are precisely the same, it'll be better than a wash.
 
2011-05-05 02:21:32 PM
So, the exemption list would be truckers, ambulances, government vehicles, school buses, people who for for the government who are traveling on business, electric/hybrid owners, people with disabilities, active/reserve military, ...
 
2011-05-05 02:26:01 PM

DarthBrooks: So, the exemption list would be truckers, ambulances, government vehicles, school buses, people who for for the government who are traveling on business, electric/hybrid owners, people with disabilities, active/reserve military, ...


The exemption would probably be for any vehicle that required a CDL to drive, as they are unlikely to be vehicles that run on batteries.
 
2011-05-05 02:27:21 PM
We should subsidize energy to make it artificially cheap, that way our entire economic infrastructure, from how things are made and transported, to how people live and travel, are built around a paradigm that will crash hard if energy sources are finite and under increasing demand from an every increasing world populace that is also becoming more affluent, like in India and China.
 
2011-05-05 02:41:16 PM
"This is not an administration proposal," White House spokeswoman Jennifer Psaki said. "This is not a bill supported by the administration. This was an early working draft proposal that was never formally circulated within the administration, does not taken into account the advice of the president's senior advisers, economic team or Cabinet officials, and does not represent the views of the president."


Thanks, Subby.
 
2011-05-05 02:46:34 PM
the feasibility of this law rests on having a government-operated GPS tracker in every car.

good farking luck with that.

/will never happen
//unless a republican can make it a national security pitch...
 
2011-05-05 02:48:07 PM
Ask me about how I ride my bike pretty much everywhere and spend about $10 a month in gas. (and also about how I don't own a TV...)

I hope gas goes up to $10/gallon.


Feels good to be so smug...
 
2011-05-05 02:49:37 PM
Christ, raise the gas tax or put an extra federal tax on tires. Taxing by the mile is a giant clusterfark.
 
2011-05-05 02:50:13 PM
The average American net taxpayer pays over 50% of his income to some form of tax. This is a great idea, since this will help bankrupt this country even faster and cause a collapse of the system.
 
2011-05-05 02:50:19 PM

impaler: We should subsidize energy to make it artificially cheap, that way our entire economic infrastructure, from how things are made and transported, to how people live and travel, are built around a paradigm that will crash hard if energy sources are finite and under increasing demand from an every increasing world populace that is also becoming more affluent, like in India and China.


The Chinese! Those sandal-wearing, goldfish tenders!? Pish-posh. Flim-flam.
 
2011-05-05 02:50:21 PM
Step 1: Encourage people to drive more fuel efficient vehicles.
Step 2: Increase the tax on drivers of more fuel efficient vehicles.
Step 3: Profit.
 
2011-05-05 02:50:28 PM

kingoomieiii: "This is not an administration proposal," White House spokeswoman Jennifer Psaki said. "This is not a bill supported by the administration. This was an early working draft proposal that was never formally circulated within the administration, does not taken into account the advice of the president's senior advisers, economic team or Cabinet officials, and does not represent the views of the president."


Thanks, Subby.


Whackadoodles lying through their teeth and/or failing to read? Who woulda thunk it.
 
2011-05-05 02:51:02 PM
1. Drive to work in reverse
2. ?
3. PROFIT
 
2011-05-05 02:51:53 PM

BillSmith70: The average American net taxpayer pays over 50% of his income to some form of tax. This is a great idea, since this will help bankrupt this country even faster and cause a collapse of the system.


It's theft is what it is! They're stealing from me. Why should I pay a tax on gas to use roads? It doesn't make any sense.
 
2011-05-05 02:51:55 PM

Kim-Chi_and_Blaze: Christ, raise the gas tax or put an extra federal tax on tires. Taxing by the mile is a giant clusterfark.


No it is a great idea. Next we can wear things around our necks(or better yet, implants) that measures how many time a day we breath air. Taxes are FUN!!!
 
2011-05-05 02:52:12 PM
As state in TFA and above, this was not a proposal, but simply an idea.

However, It's being thought about because cars will diversify into other fuels besides gasoline. It could be better to tax by the mile when so many different methods of energy can be used. The implementing of the idea is the hard part.

I bought my last vehicle two years ago. It is my last motor vehicle. I rarely drive it. I ride a bike almost everywhere. When that truck is gone, I won't drive unless I'm traveling, then I'll rent a car.

/ I don't fly either
 
2011-05-05 02:52:19 PM

RexTalionis: Also, isn't the mileage tax generally proposed as a replacement for the gas tax?


Generally, yes. The various talking heads have discussed for years how ruinous increased gas mileage and the possibility of electric or hybrid vehicles becoming common would be to their tax income.

This is just something they've been talking about to make damn sure that any future hippies that invent a car that runs on wind pay their taxes to use the roads.
 
2011-05-05 02:55:19 PM
Why would the government need to install a tracking device in cars ... how would it differ from the odometer?
 
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