Question:

Every time we get one of these guys, the big cheeses now including the head goat Farker bin laden, they're in Pakistan.

I do believe we have known he was there, somewhere all along. President Bush, had he had a location, would have killed bin laden as well. President Obama, with actionable intelligence, pulled the trigger without even telling the Pakistanis. Gutsy as hell.

The question is now what? The country aiding and abetting the terror movement is CLEARLY pakistan. A country with nukes. Now what? I'm curious as to what people think we should do moving forward.

Thank you to President Obama. Thank you too President Bush (still not your biggest fan) and god bless the US Navy Seals.

I'd like to point out that we wouldn't have gotten any of this intel cache if we would have taken a cruise missile to the place as many suggested we do.

gilgigamesh: Big Al: Well the news reports did say a lot of information was taken from the compound including important names and phone numbers on OBL himself. So yeah, I'm sure this organization will be farked for quite some time.

Which means it's a great time to GET THE FARK OUT OF IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN and just concentrate on hunting AQ. Stop wasting our tax dollars and more innocent lives, America.

If anything, the fact that OBL was found hiding out in a villa in Pakistan, no doubt with the full knowledge and assistance of the Pakistani government, shows exactly why we have to stay in Afghanistan basically forever.

Pakistan is a failed state in all but name. THEY are the real threat. And they have a couple hundred nukes at their disposal. We need a jumping off point to lay waste to Islamibad if and when the nuclear threat becomes extant. And we just happen to be in one.

Sorry to say: we are never leaving Afghanistan. Not as long as Pakistan has a nuclear arsenal anyway.

Yup

osama was probably bankrolling alot of these folks, now they got no more money

gilgigamesh Quote 2011-05-04 05:40:07 PM

If anything, the fact that OBL was found hiding out in a villa in Pakistan, no doubt with the full knowledge and assistance of the Pakistani government, shows exactly why we have to stay in Afghanistan basically forever.

Pakistan is a failed state in all but name. THEY are the real threat. And they have a couple hundred nukes at their disposal. We need a jumping off point to lay waste to Islamibad if and when the nuclear threat becomes extant. And we just happen to be in one.

Sorry to say: we are never leaving Afghanistan. Not as long as Pakistan has a nuclear arsenal anyway.


That's retarded. The only reason Pakistan has such a large army and nuclear arsenal are because America has been financing them for decades. Without our billions in aid each year, they would have nothing.

Staying in Afghanistan basically means you keep enriching Pakistan so they can be the terrorist supporters you tell us to be afraid about.

And if you want to disarm Pakistan, you make deals with them and India to mutually disarm. Staying in Afghanistan distorts the process and causes the entire region to be heavily militarized and breeds more radicals.

Unfortunately it's your narrow minded viewpoint that is so prevalent in red state mentality

Hey Jackpot777 .. that's priceless! Well done.

Rumor has it the SEALS took a metric farkton of documents, files, and misc intel from Osama Bin Laden's stronghold. US Intelligence weenies are probably pissing themselves with excitement as they get their hands on these files and I'm assuming Al Qaeda deputies all over the place are getting really nervous.

heinekenftw: While at Guantanamo, Mohammed al-Qahtani, 32, was reportedly subjected to severe U.S. torture,

Oh wtf. That's disgraceful.

Yea, I'm honestly surprised this guy gave himelf in. If my brother was captured and being tortured somewhere, I would probably want revenge too. Almost feel sorry for this guy.

Waxing_Chewbacca: The country aiding and abetting experiencing shincter-tightening fear at the potential for local reprisals from the terror movement is CLEARLY pakistan

/ftfy...
//maybe sphincters are now resting?

Waxing_Chewbacca: I do believe we have known he was there, somewhere all along. President Bush, had he had a location, would have killed bin laden as well. President Obama, with actionable intelligence, pulled the trigger without even telling the Pakistanis. Gutsy as hell.

In December of 2001, a Delta team were in perfect position to lay waste to Osama and his men in the mountains of Tora Bora. They requested permission to kill, their request was denied.

He fled to Pakistan, everyone knew he fled to Pakistan, Bush invaded Iraq.

Aww, corrected only one of em. You know what I mean.

Big Al: gilgigamesh Quote 2011-05-04 05:40:07 PM

If anything, the fact that OBL was found hiding out in a villa in Pakistan, no doubt with the full knowledge and assistance of the Pakistani government, shows exactly why we have to stay in Afghanistan basically forever.
Pakistan is a failed state in all but name. THEY are the real threat. And they have a couple hundred nukes at their disposal. We need a jumping off point to lay waste to Islamibad if and when the nuclear threat becomes extant. And we just happen to be in one.
Sorry to say: we are never leaving Afghanistan. Not as long as Pakistan has a nuclear arsenal anyway.

That's retarded. The only reason Pakistan has such a large army and nuclear arsenal are because America has been financing them for decades. Without our billions in aid each year, they would have nothing.
Staying in Afghanistan basically means you keep enriching Pakistan so they can be the terrorist supporters you tell us to be afraid about.
And if you want to disarm Pakistan, you make deals with them and India to mutually disarm. Staying in Afghanistan distorts the process and causes the entire region to be heavily militarized and breeds more radicals.
Unfortunately it's your narrow minded viewpoint that is so prevalent in red state mentality

We should make Afghanistan the 58th state.

Dan the Schman: Waxing_Chewbacca: I do believe we have known he was there, somewhere all along. President Bush, had he had a location, would have killed bin laden as well. President Obama, with actionable intelligence, pulled the trigger without even telling the Pakistanis. Gutsy as hell.

In December of 2001, a Delta team were in perfect position to lay waste to Osama and his men in the mountains of Tora Bora. They requested permission to kill, their request was denied.

He fled to Pakistan, everyone knew he fled to Pakistan, Bush invaded Iraq.

From what I read the last time anyone saw Bin Laden was at a tribal meeting in Jalalabad on the night of November 19, 2001. He was not in Tora Bora when Delta arrived December 3-4 and when bombing started on the 7th.

Not defending the Bush Administration's sluggishness, just noting that we were never close to getting him.

Dan the Schman: In December of 2001, a Delta team were in perfect position to lay waste to Osama and his men in the mountains of Tora Bora. They requested permission to kill, their request was denied.

He fled to Pakistan, everyone knew he fled to Pakistan, Bush invaded Iraq.

This week, new files leaked from the U.S. military tell a very different story. The intelligence reports, compiled by officials at Guantanamo Bay, suggest that the real series of events was remarkably different from what was reported around the world at the time.
. . .
Perhaps the most startling twist revealed this week, though, is that it appears Bin Laden did not flee to Pakistan, but, incredibly, found his way through the coalition lines and escaped north into Afghanistan, aided by a local militant commander.

You know what would be a shiatstorm?

What if Osama pre-recorded a video before his death where he calls out America and says that it's a lie and that he's still alive? I'm sure it wouldn't convince the people in charge, but it would convince enough of the world to have at least a few places in flames.

Or, what if it was more like The Prestige where the guy has had an identical twin brother his entire life but no-one else knows because it's super effective?

Darth Macho: I'm thinking now might be a good time for Obama to announce to Al Qaeda members, big or small, that they have 72 hours to surrender to their local authorities, since we now have Bin Laden's records and know where they live. Even if we don't know who they are the amnesty program might spook them out into the open.

Even if we don't have any good intel from Osama's computers (which I doubt is the case), it's a great idea. The Al Qaeda people have no idea what we know, so now would be a really good time to bluff.

Dan the Schman: Waxing_Chewbacca: I do believe we have known he was there, somewhere all along. President Bush, had he had a location, would have killed bin laden as well. President Obama, with actionable intelligence, pulled the trigger without even telling the Pakistanis. Gutsy as hell.

In December of 2001, a Delta team were in perfect position to lay waste to Osama and his men in the mountains of Tora Bora. They requested permission to kill, their request was denied.

He fled to Pakistan, everyone knew he fled to Pakistan, Bush invaded Iraq.

what was the official bush-cheney reason for the denial (since the original day of 9/11 denial was 'the lawyers') this time?

HMS_Blinkin: Darth Macho: I'm thinking now might be a good time for Obama to announce to Al Qaeda members, big or small, that they have 72 hours to surrender to their local authorities, since we now have Bin Laden's records and know where they live. Even if we don't know who they are the amnesty program might spook them out into the open.

Even if we don't have any good intel from Osama's computers (which I doubt is the case), it's a great idea. The Al Qaeda people have no idea what we know, so now would be a really good time to bluff.

It could easily backfire. If you go into Kansas, of all places, you'll find a 'branch' of the Crips. Now these people have every sporting mark of the gang, but it's not like they sent a letter to Tookie and asked for franchise recognition.

I'll wager that a large bunch of Al Qaeda is working independently and without orders, simply following the ideals and applying name recognition. They'll publicly call the bluff without even having to admit why they know we are bluffing, because our only means of reaction would be to tip our hand... which would prove them right.

It's a gamble. I'd stick with 'we will find you' as opposed to 'we know where you are'. That's just me.

ExperianScaresCthulhu: what was the official bush-cheney reason for the denial (since the original day of 9/11 denial was 'the lawyers') this time?

By 2004, when Kerry was bringing this up, they were saying Bin Laden probably wasn't in Tora Bora anyways.

And then of course, in 2005, Bush shut down the Bin Laden search team.

"Khaled al-Qahtani"

Isn't that the name of the Soup Nazi?

aug3: osama was probably bankrolling alot of these folks, now they got no more money

That is the bigger win. It's like when Gotti and his lieutenants went to prison. Suddenly, his family went from contract killings to hijacking trucks for VCRs. Within 10 years, they were regulated to being a bunch of low-rent thugs.

The ones that won't go into hiding now that the CIA has their info will probably move on to more lucrative pastures.

Organized crime is like any other job. Folks aren't going to stick around if they're not getting paid.

mrshowrules: Gyrfalcon: Atillathepun: If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.

It's a field goal from half-court in the bottom of the ninth. SCOOOOOOOOOORRREEEEE!!!!

and all these tea baggers want to calling him on icing even though he stuck the landing after this 10 year marathon.

Did you see the Lakers game? Man, that Gretzky sure can punt. I love baseball!
/not mine
//saw it here on Fark

Namahs: Rumor has it the SEALS took a metric farkton of documents, files, and misc intel from Osama Bin Laden's stronghold. US Intelligence weenies are probably pissing themselves with excitement as they get their hands on these files and I'm assuming Al Qaeda deputies all over the place are getting really nervous.

heinekenftw: While at Guantanamo, Mohammed al-Qahtani, 32, was reportedly subjected to severe U.S. torture,

Oh wtf. That's disgraceful.

Yea, I'm honestly surprised this guy gave himelf in. If my brother was captured and being tortured somewhere, I would probably want revenge too. Almost feel sorry for this guy.

It is funny because you think there is torture occurring.

Oxygen_Thief Quote 2011-05-05 03:18:48 AM

It is funny because you think there is torture occurring.


>>>

Want to experience this yourself? That can be arranged, you may then change your tune.

Lionel Mandrake: I'd like to thank President Bush for establishing the apparatus that lead to this man's surrender.

Stop trolling.

Oxygen_Thief: Namahs: Rumor has it the SEALS took a metric farkton of documents, files, and misc intel from Osama Bin Laden's stronghold. US Intelligence weenies are probably pissing themselves with excitement as they get their hands on these files and I'm assuming Al Qaeda deputies all over the place are getting really nervous.

heinekenftw: While at Guantanamo, Mohammed al-Qahtani, 32, was reportedly subjected to severe U.S. torture,

Oh wtf. That's disgraceful.

Yea, I'm honestly surprised this guy gave himelf in. If my brother was captured and being tortured somewhere, I would probably want revenge too. Almost feel sorry for this guy.

It is funny because you think there is torture occurring.

???

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/13/AR2009011303372 . html
http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pmed.1001028
http://ccrjustice.org/files/Report_ReportOnTorture.pdf

Let the truth, and not your emotions and biases, drive your opinions.

Waxing_Chewbacca: President Bush, had he had a location, would have killed bin laden as well. President Obama, with actionable intelligence, pulled the trigger without even telling the Pakistanis. Gutsy as hell.

Yep, and now folks should understand why Mossad does what it does. Sometimes, ya just got to man up and off the muthafarker.

nekom: StoneColdAtheist: Yep, and now folks should understand why Mossad does what it does. Sometimes, ya just got to man up and off the muthafarker.

It's a lot easier to ask for forgiveness than permission. But that kind of cowboying around can lead to political problems.

Point taken, which is why it shouldn't be done either casually or as the default solution. Applied judiciously, though, it can certainly be effective.