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2011-05-04 05:53:22 PM  

Epiphany: Using the term "birthers" to represent the people who "won't believe this" shows your severe lack of insight into how the world perceives the USA. Pretending that releasing this is like releasing the birth certificate is straight up retarded.

Also, it's not just "extreme fundie clerics" who want to see proof he was handled in a proper way, it's also the average Muslim.

Link (new window)


I was going to point out that I didn't use "birthers" to represent the people who wouldn't believe in the veracity of any released photos, I used "birthers" as an example (my exact word) of the mindset of those who will believe what they want to believe regardless of the evidence, but after you called me retarded and then proceeded to link to an article whose writer cited as his sources representatives of Middle Eastern news organizations, who I'm sure have no vested interest whatsoever in advocating a position that would result in increased viewership, I decided it wasn't worth the effort.

*exhale*
 
2011-05-04 05:53:47 PM  

Giltric: The left doesn't want to see pictures of a dead cultural hero who stuck it to the corporate whore USA.

They sure as hell were chomping at the bit to see the coffins of dead American soldiers though.

Trust the media, they reinforce the story of Osama being dead....just like they reinforced Bush and the WMD lies.


Its a vast conspiracy like the government killing JFK, killing MLK, the fake moon landings, and blowing up the WTC.
 
2011-05-04 05:54:20 PM  
Did free republic close up for the night? The derp levels have sky rocketed since my last refresh
 
2011-05-04 05:56:30 PM  
If this whole thing was made up and Bin Laden is still running around out there alive, don't you think he would have released a tape telling everybody that America is lying?
 
2011-05-04 05:57:26 PM  
Okay. New conspiracy. Rumors are going around saying that Osama was captured alive, and executed in front of his family while begging for his life. The body was dumped and the pictures aren't being released because they would show the burns next to the bullet hole at his temple.

/Looks good?
 
2011-05-04 05:57:27 PM  

Befuddled: maskedloser: This should go without saying, but clearly it does not: The decision not to release the Bin Laden photos would not have been made to placate the crazies. It would have been made to leave space for moderates in that region to remain at least neutral, without essentially forcing them to pick a side by treating Bin Laden's body like a farking war trophy.

And I would hazard a guess that almost every person - there might be a precious few exceptions - saying, "Well, screw the moderates" has no intention of serving in the military any time soon.

I want my government to be responsive to me, not those halfway around the world. Our government shouldn't be hiding information from us about their claims, even if that information makes others upset.


Well...how does it feel to want?

As stated earlier. He's dead. Old news. We're going through his stuff to find his friends, and soon they'll be dead too. This isn't an ongoing struggle against our arch-nemesis in his secret lair - this is cold blooded men with helicopters and automatic weapons hunting down enemies of the state.

Yeah, if it had been me in the room the communication would have sounded like a Black Ops game on X-box live - but it wasn't me. It was a professional, so the communication was curt, precise, and businesslike.

You can want whatever you want - but me, I'm pretty glad that the people actually doing the business of going after the enemies of this country aren't acting like extras in an action movie. Demanding proof is calling them liars - and I'm not inclined to do that.
 
2011-05-04 05:57:55 PM  

Wow. Obama's REALLY on the ropes here.
Maybe some Farkers could help the POTUS out?

www.topnews.in

PHOTOSHOP THIS QUESTIONABLE CADAVER




Yes we can!
 
2011-05-04 05:59:00 PM  
If President Bush had claimed he had killed Bin Laden back in 2007, would people have demanded proof?
 
2011-05-04 06:00:42 PM  

styckx: Did free republic close up for the night? The derp levels have sky rocketed since my last refresh


Y'know, I noticed that, too.

I was actually thinking that rational discourse about the wisdom of not releasing the photos now had actually swayed some people -- Epiphany, for instance, has not posted recently -- then bam! derporama.
 
2011-05-04 06:01:24 PM  

ongbok: If this whole thing was made up and Bin Laden is still running around out there alive, don't you think he would have released a tape telling everybody that America is lying?


The government isn't America.

Also, this event is cause to accuse the Pakistani government of aiding and abetting bin Laden.

So they are saying all this happened, blaming the government of Pakistan of hiding bin Laden and then offering zero evidence that any of it is true.
 
2011-05-04 06:01:53 PM  

muck4doo: Okay. New conspiracy. Rumors are going around saying that Osama was captured alive, and executed in front of his family while begging for his life. The body was dumped and the pictures aren't being released because they would show the burns next to the bullet hole at his temple.

/Looks good?



I think they're more likely to be worried about freezer burn.

Six or eight years in cold storage can be rough on a body.
 
2011-05-04 06:02:56 PM  

muck4doo: Okay. New conspiracy. Rumors are going around saying that Osama was captured alive, and executed in front of his family while begging for his life.


Works for me. I hope he was crying, begging, and the last thing he saw was the US flag on the shoulder of whomever pulled the trigger.
 
2011-05-04 06:03:58 PM  

Befuddled: If President Bush had claimed he had killed Bin Laden back in 2007, would people have demanded proof?


Yes. He put out pictures too. Uday, Qusay, and Zarqawi come to mind.
 
2011-05-04 06:04:16 PM  

signine: austin_millbarge: You forgot the part where Osama, on hearing the news he's been murdered, goes and makes a new video holding up the New York Times front page claiming he was killed.

Unphotoshopped pics or it didn't happen.


That's what I'm saying.... it didn't happen, because he's FARKING DEAD!
 
2011-05-04 06:05:28 PM  

Farker T: muck4doo: Okay. New conspiracy. Rumors are going around saying that Osama was captured alive, and executed in front of his family while begging for his life. The body was dumped and the pictures aren't being released because they would show the burns next to the bullet hole at his temple.

/Looks good?


I think they're more likely to be worried about freezer burn.

Six or eight years in cold storage can be rough on a body.


But his nipples would be perky.
 
2011-05-04 06:05:45 PM  

Farker T: I think they're more likely to be worried about freezer burn.

Six or eight years in cold storage can be rough on a body.


Only if the body is exposed to air.

I'm sure the government has one of these:

s4.hubimg.com
 
2011-05-04 06:06:19 PM  

Farker T: I think they're more likely to be worried about freezer burn.

Six or eight years in cold storage can be rough on a body.


Nice use of what Alex Jones believes.
 
2011-05-04 06:07:37 PM  

Befuddled: maskedloser: This should go without saying, but clearly it does not: The decision not to release the Bin Laden photos would not have been made to placate the crazies. It would have been made to leave space for moderates in that region to remain at least neutral, without essentially forcing them to pick a side by treating Bin Laden's body like a farking war trophy.

And I would hazard a guess that almost every person - there might be a precious few exceptions - saying, "Well, screw the moderates" has no intention of serving in the military any time soon.

I want my government to be responsive to me, not those halfway around the world. Our government shouldn't be hiding information from us about their claims, even if that information makes others upset.


1) Your government IS being responsive to you - or at least to the needs of armed forces members who defend you. They don't want formerly neutral parties taking pot-shots at service members just so a bunch of blood-thirsty nutbars back in the United States could get their rocks off.

2) The United States is part of the world. Shocking, I know, but true. In case you want proof, here's a handy link to some maps.

3) You won't take the Obama administration at its word, but you'd believe the photos??? Seriously? What - you don't think the feds have access to Photoshop? You're better off - seriously - pushing for the government to release a sample of Bin Laden's DNA for testing by a neutral third party, if you're genuinely interested in evidence. (Of course, your being motivated by a genuine interest in evidence, rather than merely by the desire to jizz all over the images, would put you in a group no larger than 0.00000000000001% of all the people demanding to see pictures of OBL's mangled corpse.)
 
2011-05-04 06:07:46 PM  

muck4doo: Okay. New conspiracy. Rumors are going around saying that Osama was captured alive, and executed in front of his family while begging for his life. The body was dumped and the pictures aren't being released because they would show the burns next to the bullet hole at his temple.

/Looks good?


Too late, it's already going around. Speculation that the SEAL team went all Judge Dredd, shot OBL, the witnesses, then burned the compound. Hence the quick dump and hiding photos..Can't let the world know our SEAL team executed an unarmed "combatant". Warcrimes, you know.

And really, we only have the mission statements and such to go on. Mistakes happen in the heat of combat you know. Maybe he did fall backwards, onto some bullets.
 
2011-05-04 06:08:16 PM  

jigger: ongbok: If this whole thing was made up and Bin Laden is still running around out there alive, don't you think he would have released a tape telling everybody that America is lying?

The government isn't America.

Also, this event is cause to accuse the Pakistani government of aiding and abetting bin Laden.

So they are saying all this happened, blaming the government of Pakistan of hiding bin Laden and then offering zero evidence that any of it is true.



Well, if the government of Pakistan was indeed guilty of hiding Osama, I'd say that's a good enough excuse to bomb the shiate out of a few hundred thousand of their citizens.

Wouldn't you?
 
2011-05-04 06:09:10 PM  

muck4doo: Okay. New conspiracy. Rumors are going around saying that Osama was captured alive, and executed in front of his family while begging for his life. The body was dumped and the pictures aren't being released because they would show the burns next to the bullet hole at his temple.

/Looks good?


Is this an actual conspiracy theory? On a variety of levels, it is unfathomable that Osama begged the Navy Seals not to kill him.
 
2011-05-04 06:09:21 PM  

Befuddled: If President Bush had claimed he had killed Bin Laden back in 2007, would people have demanded proof?



If the circumstances were the same, no. We have photos of the blood-soaked rooms in the house, pieces of one of our wrecked helicopters in the yard, local citizens in the area live-Tweeting the whole thing, and the only people denying it happened is Al Qaeda.

I think the photos should be released simply because I don't think the government should censor things for us because they think something is "too gruesome." We deserve to see the photos, but not because I question that it happened.
 
2011-05-04 06:11:11 PM  
we aren't getting the photos, but the live video feed will be in IMAX theaters this summer...and in 3D!!!
 
2011-05-04 06:12:25 PM  

davidphogan: Farker T: I think they're more likely to be worried about freezer burn.

Six or eight years in cold storage can be rough on a body.

Nice use of what Alex Jones believes.



I heard that Alex Jones also believes that Barack H. Obama is president of the United States.

Can he be trusted?
 
2011-05-04 06:13:40 PM  

muck4doo: Farker T: muck4doo: Okay. New conspiracy. Rumors are going around saying that Osama was captured alive, and executed in front of his family while begging for his life. The body was dumped and the pictures aren't being released because they would show the burns next to the bullet hole at his temple.

/Looks good?


I think they're more likely to be worried about freezer burn.

Six or eight years in cold storage can be rough on a body.

But his nipples would be perky.



www.thevarguy.com
 
2011-05-04 06:13:48 PM  
If he were alive, all Osama would have to do is put out a video proving he is alive to blow the US government out of the water. For some reason, there are complete morons out there that don't think Osama and AQ wouldn't jump at the chance to do just that.
 
2011-05-04 06:14:39 PM  
Not that logic applies to conspiracy theorists, but if I was OBL and reports of my death were coming out, I'd just release a proof of life video to screw with the administration.
 
2011-05-04 06:15:22 PM  

jasimo: styckx: Did free republic close up for the night? The derp levels have sky rocketed since my last refresh

Y'know, I noticed that, too.

I was actually thinking that rational discourse about the wisdom of not releasing the photos now had actually swayed some people -- Epiphany, for instance, has not posted recently -- then bam! derporama.


I have seen no rational discourse for not releasing the photographs. I have seen non stop repetition of categorically wrong statements, and the majority of Farkers comparing a birth certificate to proof of the death of the most wanted man in the world for the last 10 years.

I just chose to stop saying the same thing over and over again, while no one responded to the points I laid out, and everyone kept rehashing the same shiat.

I also have to strongly believe that this photo will be leaked, because if it isn't, then there's something completely farked up happening here. I know he's dead, but the way they disposed of the body and refused to release the picture leads me to believe something farked up happened with him that we don't know about.
 
2011-05-04 06:15:31 PM  

JustGetItRight: muck4doo: Okay. New conspiracy. Rumors are going around saying that Osama was captured alive, and executed in front of his family while begging for his life.

Works for me. I hope he was crying, begging, and the last thing he saw was the US flag on the shoulder of whomever pulled the trigger.


You think there's even the remotest possibility that Osama Bin Laden begged the Navy SEALs for his life?

Hey, I've got this bridge to sell you. And if you don't want that, might I interest you in a plot of land on the Moon?
 
2011-05-04 06:15:54 PM  

maskedloser: You won't take the Obama administration at its word, but you'd believe the photos?


Photos would be something to verify the claims. Since I haven't seen them, I can't say whether or not they'd be enough to end the speculation. As it is now, the claims are unsupported except for Obama's good name.

I just don't like my government making claims without providing the minimum of proof regardless of who is in charge. I have no reason to disbelieve the Obama Administration's version of events, but I still want some proof.
 
2011-05-04 06:16:49 PM  

IsThatYourFinalAnswer: muck4doo: Okay. New conspiracy. Rumors are going around saying that Osama was captured alive, and executed in front of his family while begging for his life. The body was dumped and the pictures aren't being released because they would show the burns next to the bullet hole at his temple.

/Looks good?

Too late, it's already going around. Speculation that the SEAL team went all Judge Dredd, shot OBL, the witnesses, then burned the compound. Hence the quick dump and hiding photos..Can't let the world know our SEAL team executed an unarmed "combatant". Warcrimes, you know.

And really, we only have the mission statements and such to go on. Mistakes happen in the heat of combat you know. Maybe he did fall backwards, onto some bullets.


Damn. I'm always too late. :/
 
2011-05-04 06:17:37 PM  
... to make wingnuts look stupid now that he's laid to rest most of that birther nonsense.
 
2011-05-04 06:18:04 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Befuddled: If President Bush had claimed he had killed Bin Laden back in 2007, would people have demanded proof?


If the circumstances were the same, no. We have photos of the blood-soaked rooms in the house, pieces of one of our wrecked helicopters in the yard, local citizens in the area live-Tweeting the whole thing, and the only people denying it happened is Al Qaeda.

I think the photos should be released simply because I don't think the government should censor things for us because they think something is "too gruesome." We deserve to see the photos, but not because I question that it happened.


You realize that none of the things you just mentioned is "proof" right?

Without his death photo, there is no proof that he was in that house, we could have just killed his couriers and brother in a failed raid to capture him when he wasn't there. The US government itself said it only had circumstantial evidence he was even there.

I believe he's dead, but its a leap of faith to believe it, there is no proof that has been released.
 
2011-05-04 06:18:59 PM  

tulpen: muck4doo: Okay. New conspiracy. Rumors are going around saying that Osama was captured alive, and executed in front of his family while begging for his life. The body was dumped and the pictures aren't being released because they would show the burns next to the bullet hole at his temple.

/Looks good?

Is this an actual conspiracy theory? On a variety of levels, it is unfathomable that Osama begged the Navy Seals not to kill him.


Why? Do you think he's a brave man? He's been hiding for years, and always sent tools out to do his dirty work.
 
2011-05-04 06:19:45 PM  

Surool: If he were alive, all Osama would have to do is put out a video proving he is alive to blow the US government out of the water. For some reason, there are complete morons out there that don't think Osama and AQ wouldn't jump at the chance to do just that.


Who says he's still alive?
 
2011-05-04 06:20:14 PM  

Befuddled: If President Bush had claimed he had killed Bin Laden back in 2007, would people have demanded proof?


Yes. What's your point?
 
2011-05-04 06:20:17 PM  

LavenderWolf: ... to make wingnuts look stupid now that he's laid to rest most of that birther nonsense.


The wingnuts are the only people who didn't think they looked completely retarded.
 
2011-05-04 06:20:23 PM  

Surool: If he were alive, all Osama would have to do is put out a video proving he is alive to blow the US government out of the water. For some reason, there are complete morons out there that don't think Osama and AQ wouldn't jump at the chance to do just that.



I don't doubt that he's dead, but the way that ObamaCo is handling gives one pause to wonder whether the official accounts of when, where and how this Super Boogieman died are credible.

Another possibility is that they're TROLLING - working their asses off to intentionally create controversy - like they did by stalling on the release of the birth certificate for years.
 
2011-05-04 06:21:13 PM  
If people are so damn interested in seeing a dead body, maybe they could just sign up at their local military recruitment office.

If people really believe some whackjob conspiracies, then photos are not going to prove anything.

And besides, the photos will be released/leaked someday, just not now. I agree with the decision, and the narrative that was created. That narrative is that we are different from the "terrorists", we are civil and humane, and we are respectful. Has everyone forgotten the disgusting behavior of Al Qaeda in Iraq, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia in torturing, then filming the gruesome murders of innocent civilians, then posting that with glee on the internet? SO what the f**k is wrong with people, I do not want to be like them, I want my country to stand up proudly and state we are better than them, we are different.

The short term and long term benefits of this decision clearly outweigh the idea that somehow releasing these photos will do anything but satisfy a few morbid sickos. Something tells me the people really clamoring for this s**t are the kind that sit and jerk off to torture porn movies and think they are art.
 
2011-05-04 06:22:25 PM  

jigger: Surool: If he were alive, all Osama would have to do is put out a video proving he is alive to blow the US government out of the water. For some reason, there are complete morons out there that don't think Osama and AQ wouldn't jump at the chance to do just that.

Who says he's still alive?


Why are people demanding to see the photos if they don't think he's still alive? AQ says he's dead. What does seeing the photos get you if you think he's dead? Why is it a big deal?
 
2011-05-04 06:24:11 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Befuddled: If President Bush had claimed he had killed Bin Laden back in 2007, would people have demanded proof?


If the circumstances were the same, no. We have photos of the blood-soaked rooms in the house, pieces of one of our wrecked helicopters in the yard, local citizens in the area live-Tweeting the whole thing, and the only people denying it happened is Al Qaeda.

I think the photos should be released simply because I don't think the government should censor things for us because they think something is "too gruesome." We deserve to see the photos, but not because I question that it happened.



The government isn't releasing the photos because they think they are to gruesome for you. They aren't releasing them so they can't be passed around and used as a recruiting tool and rally cry for Jihadist to turn up their intensity another notch.
 
2011-05-04 06:25:39 PM  

muck4doo: tulpen: muck4doo: Okay. New conspiracy. Rumors are going around saying that Osama was captured alive, and executed in front of his family while begging for his life. The body was dumped and the pictures aren't being released because they would show the burns next to the bullet hole at his temple.

/Looks good?

Is this an actual conspiracy theory? On a variety of levels, it is unfathomable that Osama begged the Navy Seals not to kill him.

Why? Do you think he's a brave man? He's been hiding for years, and always sent tools out to do his dirty work.


Bravery has nothing to do with it. He was a religious zealot, and plenty willing to do his own bloody dirty work back in the late 80s while part of the mujahideen. I doubt he would have begged for his life even if the SEALS had cut all his digits off before killing him; otherwise he might have lost merit with his god.
 
2011-05-04 06:25:48 PM  
Figures. Now we have to just take your word for it. You might just as well have said you killed bigfoot. Pics? nuuu...sorry but..we double swear on the bible we did.
 
2011-05-04 06:26:13 PM  

Surool: jigger: Surool: If he were alive, all Osama would have to do is put out a video proving he is alive to blow the US government out of the water. For some reason, there are complete morons out there that don't think Osama and AQ wouldn't jump at the chance to do just that.

Who says he's still alive?

Why are people demanding to see the photos if they don't think he's still alive? AQ says he's dead. What does seeing the photos get you if you think he's dead? Why is it a big deal?


Or..

1. He was killed well before and the body either destroyed or kept on ice.

2. He died while still in hiding and his body will never be found.

3. He was captured alive.

etc.

There are more than the two options of 'he was killed the other day and his body was dumped in the ocean' and 'he's still alive and in hiding.'
 
2011-05-04 06:27:20 PM  
I can see why Palin is pissed about the photos not being leaked. When she had something to do w/ someone getting shot in the head her victory photo's weren't published either
 
2011-05-04 06:28:12 PM  
Add in, what does a photograph prove? Nothing really. I'm sure, if need be, Obama can have someone shoop up something to release. I mean, he did it for his long form BC (amidoinitrite?)


But for reals, the only way to get definitive proof would have been to be on-ground, take a tissue sample at time of death, maintain physical custody through the entire testing procedure, etcetc. Anything else could be faked, see?
 
2011-05-04 06:28:12 PM  

Farker T: Surool: If he were alive, all Osama would have to do is put out a video proving he is alive to blow the US government out of the water. For some reason, there are complete morons out there that don't think Osama and AQ wouldn't jump at the chance to do just that.


I don't doubt that he's dead, but the way that ObamaCo is handling gives one pause to wonder whether the official accounts of when, where and how this Super Boogieman died are credible.

Another possibility is that they're TROLLING - working their asses off to intentionally create controversy - like they did by stalling on the release of the birth certificate for years.


Who cares about the official accounts if you think he's dead? No one completely believes official accounts of military actions. What do you think you can prove with the photo of a dead guy?
 
2011-05-04 06:29:31 PM  

vento: I'm not a huge fan of Obama, but I'm perfectly OK with this. I agree with his reasoning for not releasing the pictures and I also give him full credit for an amazingly gutsy call on the raid.

/credit where credit is due


lets not forget the call to headshot those asshole pirates who had one of our boat captains.

I'd say Obama is building a solid resume for having big brass balls.
 
2011-05-04 06:31:22 PM  

ssa5: If people really believe some whackjob conspiracies, then photos are not going to prove anything.


Most people on the conspiracy boards I've been watching have already said if one's released, it'll be photoshopped/years old/some other dead guy who looks like him. Releasing it won't shut up a lot of people.

I'm in favor of releasing it to shut people up, I just don't think it will stop most of the doubters.
 
2011-05-04 06:31:23 PM  

PawisBetlog: vento: I'm not a huge fan of Obama, but I'm perfectly OK with this. I agree with his reasoning for not releasing the pictures and I also give him full credit for an amazingly gutsy call on the raid.

/credit where credit is due

lets not forget the call to headshot those asshole pirates who had one of our boat captains.

I'd say Obama is building a solid resume for having big brass balls.



If ordering others to kill means you have big brass balls, what do you think of Bush's balls?
 
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