Do you have adblock enabled?
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Popular Science)   2011: CERN physicists successfully preserve antimatter for 17 minutes. 2021: CERN physicists threaten to blow up the planet if their demands aren't met   (popsci.com) divider line 134
    More: Cool, CERN, antiparticles, antimatters, just a theory, physicists, antiprotons, cold fusion, annihilations  
•       •       •

10857 clicks; posted to Geek » on 04 May 2011 at 5:14 AM (3 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



134 Comments   (+0 »)
   

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | » | Last | Show all
 
2011-05-04 12:53:12 AM  
"and 10,000 times longer than they were previously able to keep antimatter around"

That's simply amazing.

/imagine if we'd hadn't abandoned the SSC
//fark you, farking anti-science-funding... not-steers
 
2011-05-04 12:55:30 AM  

gameshowhost: "and 10,000 times longer than they were previously able to keep antimatter around"

That's simply amazing.

/imagine if we'd hadn't abandoned the SSC
//fark you, farking anti-science-funding... not-steers


Bah! What has science ever done for us?
 
2011-05-04 02:58:06 AM  
Illuminatus!
 
2011-05-04 03:47:53 AM  
So, does this matter or not?
 
2011-05-04 04:53:35 AM  
17 minutes? They probably canna hold her any longerrr.
 
2011-05-04 05:31:43 AM  

PhiloeBedoe: So, does this matter or not?


lolthulhu.com
 
2011-05-04 05:33:41 AM  

2wolves: gameshowhost: "and 10,000 times longer than they were previously able to keep antimatter around"

That's simply amazing.

/imagine if we'd hadn't abandoned the SSC
//fark you, farking anti-science-funding... not-steers

Bah! What has science ever done for us?


given us awesome quotes like this...

"Just a heads up: that coffee we gave you earlier had fluorescent calcium in it so we can track the neuronic activity in your brain. There's a slight chance the calcium could harden and vitrify your frontal lobe. Anyway, don't stress yourself thinking about it. I'm serious, visualizing the scenario while under stress actually triggers the reaction."

i84.photobucket.com

SCIENCE!
 
2011-05-04 06:11:58 AM  
I glad other countries have picked up our slack.
 
2011-05-04 06:58:02 AM  
the gov.
only tells us what they want us to know

-_-
 
2011-05-04 07:01:45 AM  
Wonder if they spent the 17 minutes making "What's the matter? No it's anti-matter"-jokes.
 
2011-05-04 07:25:55 AM  
matter / anti-matter reaction engines in 3... 2... 1...
 
2011-05-04 07:27:05 AM  
images.icanhascheezburger.com
 
2011-05-04 07:29:36 AM  
17 minutes at warp 1 barely gets us to Mars.

Keep trying.
 
2011-05-04 07:29:45 AM  
For instance, it's unknown whether gravity affects antimatter in the same way as it affects normal matter. That is, scientists don't even know if antimatter falls up or falls down.

You've got to be farking kidding me. Of course it falls down and behaves exactly like regular matter in terms of gravity. For it to "fall up" it would have to be composed of antimass (which I seriously doubt exists), which would be anti energy, which means that when matter and antimatter contacted they'd disappear into nothingness instead of releasing double the energy of a single regular particle.
 
2011-05-04 07:32:21 AM  
screenrant.com

Feeeed me, Cern, Moar....
 
2011-05-04 07:32:46 AM  
2012
end-2012.com
 
2011-05-04 07:42:54 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: For instance, it's unknown whether gravity affects antimatter in the same way as it affects normal matter. That is, scientists don't even know if antimatter falls up or falls down.

You've got to be farking kidding me. Of course it falls down and behaves exactly like regular matter in terms of gravity. For it to "fall up" it would have to be composed of antimass (which I seriously doubt exists), which would be anti energy, which means that when matter and antimatter contacted they'd disappear into nothingness instead of releasing double the energy of a single regular particle.


Even assuming that you've personally done some actual theoretical analysis that proves that antimatter behaves identically to matter in a gravity field, the boring work of confirming your analysis in the real world needs to be done -- it's when the real world doesn't fit the model in your analysis that some real science gets done.

What I thought was cool about this is that they claim to have created anti-hydrogen atoms (as opposed to just anti-protons). If that's not just a figment of the journalist's attempt to understand what he was being told, it means that they've figured out a way to capture and store neutrally charged atoms...
 
2011-05-04 07:43:09 AM  
Here's a good LHC video feed

Link (new window)
 
2011-05-04 07:54:45 AM  
I've always wondered how Antimatter behaved at a macroscopic level. Would Anti -hydrogen have the same behavior as hydrogen? Do they bond the same way. would 2 anti-hydrogens and an anti-oxgen, create something that behaves the same as water in regards to other anti matter.

If we could answer that it opens the possibility that there are entire anti matter galaxies out there, and we wouldn't know the difference from mere observation, as it would be isolated from normal matter by the vastness in space.


/untrained theoretical physics before coffee, be kind.
 
2011-05-04 07:55:03 AM  
But have the found the higgs boson yet? I know it is what they were looking for. So how does this help them to meet that end point?

At least it lets us know that the material is so unstable and hard to make that people have not yet considered weaponizing it yet, which is what happens when you create material more explosive than a nuke.

If they become too successful, look for a big bully kind of country to invade and take it over as part of a national security operation.
 
2011-05-04 07:55:47 AM  

geedavey: Here's a good LHC video feed

Link (new window)


that was great...
/never do that before I have had my coffee, though
//would be pissed if the world was ending before I finished my first cup
 
2011-05-04 07:58:41 AM  
It's like Superman and Bizarro Superman!
 
2011-05-04 08:02:03 AM  

rev. dave: But have the found the higgs boson yet? I know it is what they were looking for. So how does this help them to meet that end point?

At least it lets us know that the material is so unstable and hard to make that people have not yet considered weaponizing it yet, which is what happens when you create material more explosive than a nuke.

If they become too successful, look for a big bully kind of country to invade and take it over as part of a national security operation.


Looking for the Higgs in the LHC. Not the ALPHA. Different apparatus I believe.
 
2011-05-04 08:03:53 AM  

ObeliskToucher: BraveNewCheneyWorld: For instance, it's unknown whether gravity affects antimatter in the same way as it affects normal matter. That is, scientists don't even know if antimatter falls up or falls down.

You've got to be farking kidding me. Of course it falls down and behaves exactly like regular matter in terms of gravity. For it to "fall up" it would have to be composed of antimass (which I seriously doubt exists), which would be anti energy, which means that when matter and antimatter contacted they'd disappear into nothingness instead of releasing double the energy of a single regular particle.

Even assuming that you've personally done some actual theoretical analysis that proves that antimatter behaves identically to matter in a gravity field, the boring work of confirming your analysis in the real world needs to be done -- it's when the real world doesn't fit the model in your analysis that some real science gets done.

What I thought was cool about this is that they claim to have created anti-hydrogen atoms (as opposed to just anti-protons). If that's not just a figment of the journalist's attempt to understand what he was being told, it means that they've figured out a way to capture and store neutrally charged atoms...


They figured out the antihydrogen synthesis thing last year: Link

This was increasing the capacity and duration of the storage, but creation of antimatter atoms as opposed to particles is a technology about 6 months old now.
 
2011-05-04 08:04:44 AM  

Mose: rev. dave: But have the found the higgs boson yet? I know it is what they were looking for. So how does this help them to meet that end point?

At least it lets us know that the material is so unstable and hard to make that people have not yet considered weaponizing it yet, which is what happens when you create material more explosive than a nuke.

If they become too successful, look for a big bully kind of country to invade and take it over as part of a national security operation.

Looking for the Higgs in the LHC. Not the ALPHA. Different apparatus I believe.


ahh thanks for the clarification.
 
2011-05-04 08:05:04 AM  
WHER
HIGGS BOSON
WHER?
 
2011-05-04 08:06:58 AM  
www.ankurb.info
Watch out for those Opus Dei zealots.
 
2011-05-04 08:14:33 AM  
When will we get red matter?
 
2011-05-04 08:23:21 AM  
Just wait until they discover how to start a resonance cascade.
 
2011-05-04 08:25:00 AM  
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2011-05-04 08:26:47 AM  

Macfine: I've always wondered how Antimatter behaved at a macroscopic level. Would Anti -hydrogen have the same behavior as hydrogen? Do they bond the same way. would 2 anti-hydrogens and an anti-oxgen, create something that behaves the same as water in regards to other anti matter.

If we could answer that it opens the possibility that there are entire anti matter galaxies out there, and we wouldn't know the difference from mere observation, as it would be isolated from normal matter by the vastness in space.


/untrained theoretical physics before coffee, be kind.


when the matter universe collapses into a super massive black hole, and the anti matter universe does the same.... eventually they will collide and... big

BANG!!
 
2011-05-04 08:30:47 AM  

ObeliskToucher: What I thought was cool about this is that they claim to have created anti-hydrogen atoms (as opposed to just anti-protons). If that's not just a figment of the journalist's attempt to understand what he was being told, it means that they've figured out a way to capture and store neutrally charged atoms...


Yeah, I can´t remember where I saw the other article, but it was definitely antihydrogen. I´d say this kind of discredits the pushy anti-gravity falls up crazy hypothesis some were wondering about as well since it seems to mean they´ve figured how to balance every force pretty well
 
2011-05-04 08:30:50 AM  
like, omg...

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-05-04 08:31:21 AM  
From TFA:

...before it disappeared in burst(sic) of particle-on-particle annihilations.

Sounds hot.
 
2011-05-04 08:33:26 AM  

ObeliskToucher: the boring work of confirming your analysis in the real world needs to be done


No, it really doesn't. I think the author either misunderstood something, or got that part from some bad sci-fi, or some random idiot. I explained exactly why it has to be true, and matter antimatter reactions have already been studied for quite some time. Antimatter falls down, not up.
 
2011-05-04 08:35:33 AM  
What happens to the neutrons in a matter-antimatter reaction?
There aren't anti-neutrons!
 
2011-05-04 08:48:55 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Antimatter falls down, not up.


A more useful question would be is antimatter repulsed by normal matter in a way proportional to the attraction non anti-matter would experience.

Which, unless you have an experiment to cite to actually answer this, is a perfectly valid question. Smashing two bits together and seeing what happens is quite different than letting one float and see what happens.

If we imagine gravity to be a distortion in space/time analogous to pulling down on a bed sheet causing objects on the bed sheet to roll towards each other, it is not completely off base to question if the inverse of those objects would be on the other side of that sheet (for the purposes of the analogy) and thus repelled by that same movement.

All that, of course, assuming you don't have an actual experiment to cite.
 
2011-05-04 08:51:06 AM  

jayessell: There aren't anti-neutrons!


Go here.
 
2011-05-04 08:51:45 AM  
I'm waiting for CERN to change their name to NERV and start with the giant, crazy robots.
 
2011-05-04 08:52:34 AM  

jayessell: There aren't anti-neutrons!


yes there are.
 
2011-05-04 08:52:37 AM  
I was thinking about Dan Brown's "Angels and Demons" - I think the whole plot thing about the Vatican vs. CERN was ridiculous. The Vatican should be fully in support of this research, because you can't have mass without the Higgs boson.
 
2011-05-04 08:52:53 AM  
No problem, the biologists will just unleash their fleshy minions on CERN.
 
2011-05-04 08:54:42 AM  
You know who else finds the potential implications most amusing?

upload.wikimedia.org

/ Hot like an antimatter reaction.
 
2011-05-04 08:55:19 AM  

DeadintheShadows: I'm waiting for CERN to change their name to NERV and start with the giant, crazy robots.


Mr. Ikari has no comment on this.
 
2011-05-04 08:56:02 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: jayessell: There aren't anti-neutrons!

yes there are.


An anti-neutron goes into an anti-bar and orders an anti-drink. When he asks "how much" the anti-bartender says "for you, no charge."
 
2011-05-04 09:00:00 AM  
So my anti-ex-girlfriend is still my girlfriend in this dimension?

/shivers
 
2011-05-04 09:04:10 AM  

NkThrasher: All that, of course, assuming you don't have an actual experiment to cite.


How many different ways do I have to say this? We ALREADY have matter/antimatter interactions in laboratories, they release energy in accordance with e=mc^2(it's been observed on pretty much a daily basis for decades, that's your experiment), that energy release being equivalent to double the mass of a single proton, which means there is positive energy in antimatter which is equal to the mass of a proton, which means positive mass which means it behaves exactly as regular matter does in terms of gravitational interactions.

Anti charge does not equal anti mass.
 
2011-05-04 09:09:35 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Anti charge does not equal anti mass.


How do you make an anti charge?

Giver her a credit card.
 
2011-05-04 09:10:05 AM  

SuperT: "Just a heads up: that coffee we gave you earlier had fluorescent calcium in it so we can track the neuronic activity in your brain. There's a slight chance the calcium could harden and vitrify your frontal lobe. Anyway, don't stress yourself thinking about it. I'm serious, visualizing the scenario while under stress actually triggers the reaction."


"Just a heads up, we're gonna have a super conductor turned up full blast and pointed at you for the duration of this next test. I'll be honest, we're throwing science at the walls here to see what sticks. No idea what it'll do."
 
2011-05-04 09:12:56 AM  
Submitter likes Stephen Baxter, I see. Very well played, Subby.
 
Displayed 50 of 134 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | » | Last | Show all



This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
Advertisement
On Twitter





In Other Media


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report