Bin Laden kill may reopen CIA interrogation debate

No, no it won't. Debate is over. Torture fans lost. Good day, Sir!

The fact that they waterboarded that dude 183 times is definitely old news.

And it still yielded nothing of value.

Should have gone for 184.

Pieces of reliable intel gained by torture: 1
Other: 182

People who knew this already: 6.5 billion
People who didn't: Subby, apparently.

Maybe this submission came from a Gitmo detainee who wasn't aware we all knew, yet.

How many times has this come up on Fark in the past??

cameroncrazy1984: Actually its:

Pieces of reliable intel gained by torture: 0
Other: 183.

According to DONALD FREAKING RUMSFELD.

COOL OUT, DUDE.

If you intentionally misread a Leon Panetta interview from today, he TOTALLY admitted the courier stuff came during a waterboarding session! For realz! Suck it libs!

rodeofrog: Why do I always think of Juicy Fruit when I hear the term waterboarding?



Gooooooooooood Vibrations! (new window)



The taste is gonna, gonna, gonna mooooove ya! (new window)

/Surf's up!

The argument is that since the guy was water-boarded several years prior to giving up the information, that means water-boarding must have worked? Really?

ShawnDoc: The argument is that since the guy was water-boarded several years prior to giving up the information, that means water-boarding must have worked? Really?

The new argument tomorrow, just to get you ready, will be that Leon Panetta admitted to NBC's Brian Williams tonight that it came during waterboarding.

Waterboarding them to get information is totally useless

Doing it out of schadenfreude, however...

cameroncrazy1984: Quasar: Pieces of reliable intel gained by torture: 1
Other: 182

Actually its:

Pieces of reliable intel gained by torture: 0
Other: 183.

According to DONALD FREAKING RUMSFELD.

The Donald Rumsfeld who was tieing Iraq and AQ together on the afternoon of sept. 11th, or the Donald Rumsfeld who reinforces your view on torture?

bikerdiva: Link



"I want to lay you down by the fiiiire!"

Wow Talk about a reporter desperately trying to twist the facts to fit his thesis:


And at the time the information surfaced, the CIA had already abandoned some of its most controversial interrogation techniques, including waterboarding, in which water is poured over the face of an interrogation subject to simulate drowning, current and former U.S. officials told Reuters.

But the possibility that detainees who at some point were subjected to physical coercion later gave up information leading to bin Laden's discovery is sparking discussion among intelligence experts as to whether he could have been found without them.

Reporter's thesis: well this certainly vindicates all that torturing we were doing

actual fact: he was tortured 183 times and gave us nothing. Once they started using the more normal psychological interrogation techniques that every police dept uses, he gave us the intel that led to bin Laden

bikerdiva: Oooh good to know, was making snacks tomorrow when I wake up tomorrow! (2am here)

ThisNameSux: CIA chief: Waterboarding aided bin Laden raid (new window)

See? Thanks, liberal media!

A lot of people are thrilled by this and will now use this as an example of how harsh and, might I say, unlawful interrogation techniques work to extract intel. Here's my spin on it. If I were to be captured would I want to be waterboarded or have bamboo shoved up my fingernails? The LOAC and the Geneva Conventions exist for a reason. If we continue to shiat all over them then what the fark are we really proving? Are we really better than the enemy?

Amusing? Fark you subby.

bikerdiva: Liberal who with that what? I just wanted snacks to enjoy the stupid that will ensue. Don't judge.

I'm mocking the idea that there's this great liberal media boogeyman out there when they're going to run that as the headline considering Panetta didn't actually say that.

tenpoundsofcheese: WTF is this obsession with being "better than the enemy"?

If you aren't better than your enemy, what are you fighting for? The fun of it? Fark you.

tenpoundsofcheese: Smokey the Bare: If we continue to shiat all over them then what the fark are we really proving? Are we really better than the enemy?

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WTF is this obsession with being "better than the enemy"?

Fark you touchy feely people who are obsessed with your self image. I want to defeat the enemy. Period.

Yes because we should continue to set the precedent across the world that you can do whatever the hell you want to all POW's because you want to defeat the enemy.