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2011-05-03 11:44:03 PM
Sex doesn't belong in the classroom. Keep it in the locker room.
 
2011-05-03 11:45:03 PM
I don't know how well made these filters are today, but when I was in high school they were easily defeated with any web proxy. Anonymizer was big at the time. No one was looking at porn or anything(although it allowed whitehouse.com through, which was rediscovered every three weeks or so. is that still porn?), the filters were so bad that if you wanted to do research there was a good chance your completely legitimate source was blocked.

After a History class spent in the lab doing research for an upcoming paper my teacher asked me to stay back so he could talk to me. I thought I was in trouble for something. It turned out he was taking classes for his Masters at night and wanted to know how to get around the filters so he could work on a paper.
 
2011-05-03 11:45:43 PM

shiattynick: minordisaster: shiattynick: xen0blue: minordisaster: Yup. I put up with this in high school. Organizations like GLAAD, GLSEN and PFLAG were filtered for "gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender content", which was changed to "gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender issues" after I complained. Nice to see something being done about. Hey, ACLU, feel free to come investigate Bridgeport Connecticut's schools and see if that's still happening here, when you're done.

You complained? What a whiny little biatch. It's people like you who make people walk on eggshells day in and day out because you've made political correctness into an institution. fark you.

Seconded!
The school can block what is deemed not proper content for school grounds, you're free to look at whatever you want at your home on your own time. Tired of all kinds of people making an issue out of things that don't even belong in the setting of a school. There is a lesson plan and unless that class was Why does my penis grow when I think about penises 101, there is no reason to be searching for those sites at school. People like this are the same as the damn fundies, none of you are really that special. At least the gays earn the butthurt the old fashioned way, NTTATWWT.

Spoken like a person who truly has no clue what GLSEN is. Good job.

Don't know, don't care. I also don't care if you're gay, straight, or can only orgasm while standing on one foot and dressed in a flamingo costume while getting manually stimulated by a pack of spider monkeys; unless it's part of the curriculum or lesson plan, doesn't matter in the least.


I enjoy your implication that being gay is akin to only being able to orgasm while standing on one foot and dressed in a flamingo costume while getting manually stimulated by a pack of spider monkeys. Though I suppose the way you phrased it also implied that being straight was on the same level as well. Something you want to tell us about? I do hope you weren't bereft of resources to assist you in coming to terms with your identity during those formative high school years.
 
2011-05-03 11:46:52 PM

AbbeySomeone: minordisaster: Yup. I put up with this in high school. Organizations like GLAAD, GLSEN and PFLAG were filtered for "gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender content", which was changed to "gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender issues" after I complained. Nice to see something being done about. Hey, ACLU, feel free to come investigate Bridgeport Connecticut's schools and see if that's still happening here, when you're done.

Quit whining.
When I was in highschool, we had no computers and suspected gays got beat up, bullied and harrassed.


When I was in HS 'the' computer took up the entire floor of an Annex Bldg. the computer was the only one around for many school districts, so our 'puter tabulated attendance & grades for a shiatload of children.

Back then, the gay children were so confused by their feelings (very Catholic area) that most of them married & had children.

After I joined FB past schoolmates came out of the woodwork. There was a crapload of guys telling me about being married for 20,22, 25 years, their children grown into young adults, before they finally came out of the closet. The RC Church does an incredible amount of damage to peoples minds.

when I grew up most Dads were WWII vets that were too farked up to even tell their own children they loved them. sex education was lies you heard on the street. I can't imagine how horrible it must have been for Gay people in the 1940's or 50's.
 
2011-05-03 11:47:18 PM

rubi_con_man: Perhaps the school doesn't feel that any kind of sexuality belongs in school.


But this is a non-starter argument similar to suggesting research regarding Harvey Milk is of a sexual nature. The reason GLAAD or Harvey Milk mention any type of sexuality is the nonsense which is the assumption of heterosexual normalcy, but this is with regards to sexual orientation, this is not sexual in nature. Trying to conflate mention of sexual orientation with regards to overcoming adversity and progression of the civil rights with something sexual is a semantics argument.

Let me ask, the teachers I work with almost all (as far as I have observed) have family pictures which include their husband and children. Is this making a mention of sexuality? What about books where the characters have parents where gender is mentioned, or are pursuing a character for romantic interest? Perhaps we should scrub all mentions of vague relationships to assure no sexuality is mentioned whatsoever. If you argue this, I could find this at least rational if still an unreasonable request to fulfill.
 
2011-05-03 11:52:37 PM

shiattynick: unless it's part of the curriculum or lesson plan, doesn't matter in the least.


Absolutely untrue, or at least untrue in spirit depending on defining "curriculum". The curriculum should involve emotional, social, and physical development as well as the cognitive. Emotionally fulfilled and socially involved students are better learners. Trying to teach children who are fearful of bullying, mentally distressed or depressed, or similar is practically a fool's errand. If we want to say the curriculum is strictly focused on cognitive development then things beyond the curriculum are extremely important.
 
2011-05-03 11:54:20 PM

KrispyKritter: AbbeySomeone: minordisaster: Yup. I put up with this in high school. Organizations like GLAAD, GLSEN and PFLAG were filtered for "gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender content", which was changed to "gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender issues" after I complained. Nice to see something being done about. Hey, ACLU, feel free to come investigate Bridgeport Connecticut's schools and see if that's still happening here, when you're done.

Quit whining.
When I was in highschool, we had no computers and suspected gays got beat up, bullied and harrassed.

When I was in HS 'the' computer took up the entire floor of an Annex Bldg. the computer was the only one around for many school districts, so our 'puter tabulated attendance & grades for a shiatload of children.

Back then, the gay children were so confused by their feelings (very Catholic area) that most of them married & had children.

After I joined FB past schoolmates came out of the woodwork. There was a crapload of guys telling me about being married for 20,22, 25 years, their children grown into young adults, before they finally came out of the closet. The RC Church does an incredible amount of damage to peoples minds.

when I grew up most Dads were WWII vets that were too farked up to even tell their own children they loved them. sex education was lies you heard on the street. I can't imagine how horrible it must have been for Gay people in the 1940's or 50's.


Yep. The only guys that got near computers were pimply faced and socially inept. The computers were something from old movies.
It pisses me off to hear these young idiots with PC entitlement issues cry about how everyone owes them more. fark 'em.
 
2011-05-03 11:55:02 PM

minordisaster: Yup. I put up with this in high school. Organizations like GLAAD, GLSEN and PFLAG were filtered for "gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender content", which was changed to "gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender issues" after I complained. Nice to see something being done about. Hey, ACLU, feel free to come investigate Bridgeport Connecticut's schools and see if that's still happening here, when you're done.


Oh, dude/dudette you grew up in Bridgeport? My sympathy. I'm in Waterbury. My kid brother's going through the system and if he's not bullshiatting me, they're teaching creationism in biology and in history they tried telling him one of the pillars of Islam is jihad. And in he's in the honors classes.

The funny thing about this is that there's a huge Muslim community around here (mostly Albanian), so when his Muslim classmates tried to correct the teacher they just got lip from her about not knowing anything about their own religion.

Anyway. You're not going to keep your kids from being queer, trans, or questioning by keeping this shiat away from them. They're just going to keep on being that way, except they'll think that everything they're feeling is weird and wrong and they're completely alone. That's the kind of thing that leads to suicide and a lot of other damaging behavior. Even if you disagree with it (if you absolutely must "disagree" with something like this) try to operate on a least-harm principle. Kids need to have this shiat around for their own safety, so that they can understand that they're not alone and how other people choose to process it. Even if you don't agree that they should run wild with it and go around injecting hormones or whatever, they need to know that people have dealt with this and have gone on to be comfortable with it, lead happy and safe lives.
 
2011-05-03 11:55:36 PM

Vangor: shiattynick: unless it's part of the curriculum or lesson plan, doesn't matter in the least.

Absolutely untrue, or at least untrue in spirit depending on defining "curriculum". The curriculum should involve emotional, social, and physical development as well as the cognitive. Emotionally fulfilled and socially involved students are better learners. Trying to teach children who are fearful of bullying, mentally distressed or depressed, or similar is practically a fool's errand. If we want to say the curriculum is strictly focused on cognitive development then things beyond the curriculum are extremely important.


This.
 
2011-05-03 11:56:46 PM

Nocens: T-Luv: shiattynick: xen0blue: minordisaster: Yup. I put up with this in high school. Organizations like GLAAD, GLSEN and PFLAG were filtered for "gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender content", which was changed to "gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender issues" after I complained. Nice to see something being done about. Hey, ACLU, feel free to come investigate Bridgeport Connecticut's schools and see if that's still happening here, when you're done.

You complained? What a whiny little biatch. It's people like you who make people walk on eggshells day in and day out because you've made political correctness into an institution. fark you.

Seconded!
The school can block what is deemed not proper content for school grounds, you're free to look at whatever you want at your home on your own time. Tired of all kinds of people making an issue out of things that don't even belong in the setting of a school. There is a lesson plan and unless that class was Why does my penis grow when I think about penises 101, there is no reason to be searching for those sites at school. People like this are the same as the damn fundies, none of you are really that special. At least the gays earn the butthurt the old fashioned way, NTTATWWT.

A fair point, if they are blocking all things that have nothing to do with the curriculum. If they single out certain classes of things, particularly resources for homosexual students to get help coming to terms with their experiences, then there's a problem.


Never attended a school that didn't have a counselor.

They can laugh just as hard at them as we do on the internet and it'll be far more personal interaction.


That has nothing to do with how stupid it is to say "well they can block whatever they want as long as it isn't in the curriculum." First off, what if a student wants to do a research project about the history of gay rights in culture or something similar? Should they not be allowed access to resources that help them? Just because gay people are the subject matter doesn't mean people can't learn about it. Second, if you are going to screen out gay materials, but not other things that aren't in the curriculum, you kind of defeat the whole argument that they are just keeping things not in the curriculum off limits. It seems more like they're picking things that they don't want students to learn about and making them off limits. In a free society, people should be allowed to learn about whatever they want. The government that already treats gay people differently than straight people doesn't even allow people to research the issue in school. Sounds pretty farked up to me.
 
2011-05-04 12:10:05 AM

minordisaster: shiattynick: minordisaster: shiattynick: xen0blue: minordisaster: Yup. I put up with this in high school. Organizations like GLAAD, GLSEN and PFLAG were filtered for "gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender content", which was changed to "gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender issues" after I complained. Nice to see something being done about. Hey, ACLU, feel free to come investigate Bridgeport Connecticut's schools and see if that's still happening here, when you're done.

You complained? What a whiny little biatch. It's people like you who make people walk on eggshells day in and day out because you've made political correctness into an institution. fark you.

Seconded!
The school can block what is deemed not proper content for school grounds, you're free to look at whatever you want at your home on your own time. Tired of all kinds of people making an issue out of things that don't even belong in the setting of a school. There is a lesson plan and unless that class was Why does my penis grow when I think about penises 101, there is no reason to be searching for those sites at school. People like this are the same as the damn fundies, none of you are really that special. At least the gays earn the butthurt the old fashioned way, NTTATWWT.

Spoken like a person who truly has no clue what GLSEN is. Good job.

Don't know, don't care. I also don't care if you're gay, straight, or can only orgasm while standing on one foot and dressed in a flamingo costume while getting manually stimulated by a pack of spider monkeys; unless it's part of the curriculum or lesson plan, doesn't matter in the least.

I enjoy your implication that being gay is akin to only being able to orgasm while standing on one foot and dressed in a flamingo costume while getting manually stimulated by a pack of spider monkeys. Though I suppose the way you phrased it also implied that being straight was on the same level as well. Something you want to tell us about? I do hope you weren't bereft of resources to assist you in coming to terms with your identity during those formative high school years.


Nope, I had the same fumbling attempts as any teenager. Dealt with rejection and success, the awkwardness of figuring out if I was sending or receiving the right signals, the whole lot of it; but none of it really had anything to do with my scholarly education.
If I recall correctly, and I may be a bit off since it was a while back, Sex Ed was basically explaining to us the changes that were going to take place in our bodies. It dealt with hormones, adolescence, and changes to our sexual organs - all of which are the same whether you're straight or gay. The only thing I recall that dealt with what you would consider straight sex was learning about pregnancy, how it happened and the maturation of a fetus into a baby, childbirth, etc. Considering that pregnancy is how we all arrived on this planet and is the natural result of unprotected hetero sex, it's a rather important bodily function to cover. I think the only other item that was covered was protect your junk while having sex so you don't get nasty diseases and that's neither straight nor gay, just good advice. Never do I recall a how-to manual for any kind of sex, nor do I think they should have been teaching us "Meaning of Life" style on straight or gay sex.
Growing up and learning the ways of sex is awkward for all of us, and should be achieved in the backseats of cars, behind skating rinks and arcades, or sneaking into your paramours bedroom through the window, just like everyone else in the world.
 
2011-05-04 12:13:31 AM
Sounds like internet entitlement to me. Reading, writing, and arithmetic. Offer some advanced science classes, and that should be all. There is way to much fluff in schools today.

As far as research, we NEVER did all our research at the school library. It used to be expected to do work outside of school. Go do your research at the local library or at home. The school shouldn't have to provide everything for you.
 
2011-05-04 12:14:38 AM
School system wrongly filters out age appropriate, family friendly, lesbian, gay, bi-sexual, and transgendered online content.

wonder if they could filter this comic out, and yes that is a lady gaga comic

blogs.villagevoice.com

sheesh I wish that was filtered out of my mind
 
2011-05-04 12:14:45 AM

minordisaster: shiattynick: minordisaster: shiattynick: xen0blue: minordisaster: Yup. I put up with this in high school. Organizations like GLAAD, GLSEN and PFLAG were filtered for "gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender content", which was changed to "gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender issues" after I complained. Nice to see something being done about. Hey, ACLU, feel free to come investigate Bridgeport Connecticut's schools and see if that's still happening here, when you're done.

You complained? What a whiny little biatch. It's people like you who make people walk on eggshells day in and day out because you've made political correctness into an institution. fark you.

Seconded!
The school can block what is deemed not proper content for school grounds, you're free to look at whatever you want at your home on your own time. Tired of all kinds of people making an issue out of things that don't even belong in the setting of a school. There is a lesson plan and unless that class was Why does my penis grow when I think about penises 101, there is no reason to be searching for those sites at school. People like this are the same as the damn fundies, none of you are really that special. At least the gays earn the butthurt the old fashioned way, NTTATWWT.

Spoken like a person who truly has no clue what GLSEN is. Good job.

Don't know, don't care. I also don't care if you're gay, straight, or can only orgasm while standing on one foot and dressed in a flamingo costume while getting manually stimulated by a pack of spider monkeys; unless it's part of the curriculum or lesson plan, doesn't matter in the least.

I enjoy your implication that being gay is akin to only being able to orgasm while standing on one foot and dressed in a flamingo costume while getting manually stimulated by a pack of spider monkeys. Though I suppose the way you phrased it also implied that being straight was on the same level as well. Something you want to tell us about? I do hope you weren't bereft of resources to assist you in coming to terms with your identity during those formative high school years.


OH! You're a young teacher with ideas and entitlement issues?
Well goddamn, you straighten us all out now, and tell us what is right from your perspective.
Spend more time with your pensive glamour shots.
We all look forward to seeing your mugshot when one of your 'misunderstood and confused' students rolls over on you out of vengeance, and because you are easy prey.
 
2011-05-04 12:26:16 AM

Vangor: shiattynick: unless it's part of the curriculum or lesson plan, doesn't matter in the least.

Absolutely untrue, or at least untrue in spirit depending on defining "curriculum". The curriculum should involve emotional, social, and physical development as well as the cognitive. Emotionally fulfilled and socially involved students are better learners. Trying to teach children who are fearful of bullying, mentally distressed or depressed, or similar is practically a fool's errand. If we want to say the curriculum is strictly focused on cognitive development then things beyond the curriculum are extremely important.


Answers like this are why I seconded the Weeners, we are turning this nation into a bunch of precious snowflakes who think it's their right to have their emotional issues treated as sacrosanct at school. Listen, it's a freaking high school - where you learn math, english, history, science, etc. It's a big box filled with a ton of different types of people who are expected to learn the same damn things - that's all it is. If you're interested in learning about certain other things that aren't in the curriculum, you can research them in a million different ways. If you want to major in any area of specifics that wasn't taught in your high school, there is certainly a college that you can go to and specialize in that subject. High school is a basic background for your education that is basically one size fits all, that's why there are no doctors or lawyers graduating from high school.
 
2011-05-04 12:28:46 AM
It's about time.

How long is it going to take for people to realize that being gay is normal, socially accept, and here to stay?

Prior to this decade, the opposition of gay oppression was a passive resistance. Things have changed -- gays now have the power to use brute force.

Don't believe me? We've infiltrated your military. Proposition 8 is well on it's way to being repealed. California schools are now required to teach gay history. We've taking it a step farther and are now *REQUIRING* your children be exposed to homosexual behaviors.

Remember, it's no longer okay to not tolerate homosexuals. It's probably a good idea for those of you pansies "on the fence" to jump over to the winning side, or go into hiding.

You've been warned.
 
2011-05-04 12:29:48 AM
LOL Filter pwned, an appropriate one at that!
 
2011-05-04 12:32:26 AM

shiattynick: minordisaster: shiattynick: xen0blue: minordisaster: Yup. I put up with this in high school. Organizations like GLAAD, GLSEN and PFLAG were filtered for "gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender content", which was changed to "gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender issues" after I complained. Nice to see something being done about. Hey, ACLU, feel free to come investigate Bridgeport Connecticut's schools and see if that's still happening here, when you're done.

You complained? What a whiny little biatch. It's people like you who make people walk on eggshells day in and day out because you've made political correctness into an institution. fark you.

Seconded!
The school can block what is deemed not proper content for school grounds, you're free to look at whatever you want at your home on your own time. Tired of all kinds of people making an issue out of things that don't even belong in the setting of a school. There is a lesson plan and unless that class was Why does my penis grow when I think about penises 101, there is no reason to be searching for those sites at school. People like this are the same as the damn fundies, none of you are really that special. At least the gays earn the butthurt the old fashioned way, NTTATWWT.

Spoken like a person who truly has no clue what GLSEN is. Good job.

Don't know, don't care. I also don't care if you're gay, straight, or can only orgasm while standing on one foot and dressed in a flamingo costume while getting manually stimulated by a pack of spider monkeys; unless it's part of the curriculum or lesson plan, doesn't matter in the least.


Too bad it sometimes DOES matter, you buffoon.

Gay issues were a topic in some classes.

Stonewall Riots in History, and the upcoming (at the time) case of Lawrence V. Texas in my Government class.

I also recall homosexuals being discussed pertaining to the Holocaust, because - surprise - a lot of them got killed in Europe.

You may wish to think before you "decide" school policy.
 
2011-05-04 12:34:32 AM

shiattynick: Vangor: shiattynick: unless it's part of the curriculum or lesson plan, doesn't matter in the least.

Absolutely untrue, or at least untrue in spirit depending on defining "curriculum". The curriculum should involve emotional, social, and physical development as well as the cognitive. Emotionally fulfilled and socially involved students are better learners. Trying to teach children who are fearful of bullying, mentally distressed or depressed, or similar is practically a fool's errand. If we want to say the curriculum is strictly focused on cognitive development then things beyond the curriculum are extremely important.

Answers like this are why I seconded the Weeners, we are turning this nation into a bunch of precious snowflakes who think it's their right to have their emotional issues treated as sacrosanct at school. Listen, it's a freaking high school - where you learn math, english, history, science, etc. It's a big box filled with a ton of different types of people who are expected to learn the same damn things - that's all it is. If you're interested in learning about certain other things that aren't in the curriculum, you can research them in a million different ways. If you want to major in any area of specifics that wasn't taught in your high school, there is certainly a college that you can go to and specialize in that subject. High school is a basic background for your education that is basically one size fits all, that's why there are no doctors or lawyers graduating from high school.


My translation - In the real world no one will kiss your ass unless you have something they want.IE: Money, a nice body, great ideas, or superb skills.
Get used to it or you will spend your life feeling like a victim.
 
2011-05-04 12:37:59 AM

kukukupo: Sounds like internet entitlement to me. Reading, writing, and arithmetic. Offer some advanced science classes, and that should be all. There is way to much fluff in schools today.

As far as research, we NEVER did all our research at the school library. It used to be expected to do work outside of school. Go do your research at the local library or at home. The school shouldn't have to provide everything for you.


Translation: "History and civics are for queers."
 
2011-05-04 12:38:44 AM
There sure is some dicks in this thread. FSM forbid that someone goes online on a school computer for something outside your curriculum to deal with an emotional problem. Scumbags.
 
2011-05-04 12:43:40 AM
I love the accusation of "political correctness".

No, what's "politically correct" is blocking this content so that "precious snowflake" parents don't get their knickers in a twist.
 
2011-05-04 12:44:51 AM

video man: There sure is some dicks in this thread. FSM forbid that someone goes online on a school computer for something outside your curriculum to deal with an emotional problem. Scumbags.


You read Rand and feel that publicly funded schools should deal with your emotional issues? Really?
Ayn Rand?
I'd say this thread is bringing out those maladjusted victims with emotional baggage that are still blaming others for their inability to deal with their own sh*t.
 
2011-05-04 12:47:26 AM

AbbeySomeone: video man: There sure is some dicks in this thread. FSM forbid that someone goes online on a school computer for something outside your curriculum to deal with an emotional problem. Scumbags.

You read Rand and feel that publicly funded schools should deal with your emotional issues? Really?
Ayn Rand?
I'd say this thread is bringing out those maladjusted victims with emotional baggage that are still blaming others for their inability to deal with their own sh*t.


Serious question: by that rationale, do you advocate firing every school counselor? I remember them helping a lot of kids with screwed up home lives and emotional problems, but I guess they weren't bootstrappy enough.
 
2011-05-04 12:48:29 AM

AbbeySomeone: video man: There sure is some dicks in this thread. FSM forbid that someone goes online on a school computer for something outside your curriculum to deal with an emotional problem. Scumbags.

You read Rand and feel that publicly funded schools should deal with your emotional issues? Really?
Ayn Rand?
I'd say this thread is bringing out those maladjusted victims with emotional baggage that are still blaming others for their inability to deal with their own sh*t.


IDEA says they are obligated to, and what's more Rand than the federal government?
 
2011-05-04 12:53:15 AM

FerneJohn:

Too bad it sometimes DOES matter, you buffoon.

Gay issues were a topic in some classes.

Stonewall Riots in History, and the upcoming (at the time) case of Lawrence V. Texas in my Government class.

I also recall homosexuals being discussed pertaining to the Holocaust, because - surprise - a lot of them got killed in Europe.

You may wish to think before you "decide" school policy.


There must be something up your ass, because you really sound irritated. If the curriculum includes those things, they will be taught. History is always changing and the books are updated all the time. Don't try to tell me that you can't google Stonewall Riots or Harvey Milk and get information that isn't from a gay support site.
What really has all of you getting your panties in a wad is the fact that there isn't any coddling towards what you want in school, which is to have a million pats on the back for how special you are because of your sexual identity and you feel the need to be a protected class.
Life's rough, suck it up and do your own thing and hope you can make it through. Do you think it's any easier for the ugly kid? the fat kid? the girl with no boobs? or the guy who's still 5' tall in the 11th grade? Are you saying we now need to have a special curriculum covering fat, ugly, short people in history so that they don't feel so left out and the rest of us can identify with them? Get over yourself. Idiot.
 
2011-05-04 12:55:39 AM

FerneJohn: AbbeySomeone: video man: There sure is some dicks in this thread. FSM forbid that someone goes online on a school computer for something outside your curriculum to deal with an emotional problem. Scumbags.

You read Rand and feel that publicly funded schools should deal with your emotional issues? Really?
Ayn Rand?
I'd say this thread is bringing out those maladjusted victims with emotional baggage that are still blaming others for their inability to deal with their own sh*t.

Serious question: by that rationale, do you advocate firing every school counselor? I remember them helping a lot of kids with screwed up home lives and emotional problems, but I guess they weren't bootstrappy enough.


No, I don't advocate that. People need resources and many of these kids, sadly, don't have supportive families.
Schools are running short of funding, and you know as well as I do that these kids don't always use the internet time for the right purpose. Libraries are everywhere.
 
2011-05-04 01:00:18 AM

shiattynick: There must be something up your ass, because you really sound irritated. If the curriculum includes those things, they will be taught.


And teaching typically requires subsequent research on independent topics by the student. Did you honestly not have to write an essay in your life?

the books are updated all the time.

HA!

Don't try to tell me that you can't google Stonewall Riots or Harvey Milk and get information that isn't from a gay support site.

What if the "gay support" site has good information? Should it be blocked and prohibited? On what basis?

Do you think it's any easier for the ugly kid? the fat kid? the girl with no boobs? or the guy who's still 5' tall in the 11th grade?

No. I also don't think sites on body image problems should be blocked from school. I recall studying anorexia nervosa and similar problems during Psychology and Health classes, not to mention the issue of poor diet and lack of exercise that was also a focus of Health and gym outlets in the school

You honestly are digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole here. You were wrong, your arguments are illogical at best, and you should honestly fess up to that.
 
2011-05-04 01:05:59 AM

AbbeySomeone: No, I don't advocate that. People need resources and many of these kids, sadly, don't have supportive families.


All the more reason to allow these sites. They're helpful.

Schools are running short of funding

How is that pertinent?

and you know as well as I do that these kids don't always use the internet time for the right purpose.

True. But how do you know most of these kids aren't visiting the computer labs or libraries on their free time for this? After school, at lunch, etc. And what if they do visit these sites and they're relevant to schoolwork?

I recall kids goofing off during computer lab/library time back in high school. It was a minority, however, and most folks used it properly.

Your supposition seems narrow and throws the baby out with the bathwater to some extent.
 
2011-05-04 01:10:34 AM

FerneJohn: AbbeySomeone: No, I don't advocate that. People need resources and many of these kids, sadly, don't have supportive families.

All the more reason to allow these sites. They're helpful.

Schools are running short of funding

How is that pertinent?

and you know as well as I do that these kids don't always use the internet time for the right purpose.

True. But how do you know most of these kids aren't visiting the computer labs or libraries on their free time for this? After school, at lunch, etc. And what if they do visit these sites and they're relevant to schoolwork?

I recall kids goofing off during computer lab/library time back in high school. It was a minority, however, and most folks used it properly.

Your supposition seems narrow and throws the baby out with the bathwater to some extent.


Whatever.
have you ever seen anyone that does an internet self diagnosis and suddenly becomes stricken with multiple diseases?; or maybe those that fall into the wrong type of chatrooms and make a suicide pact because no one IRL understands them?
 
2011-05-04 01:13:07 AM

AbbeySomeone:
I'd say this thread is bringing out those maladjusted victims with emotional baggage that are still blaming others for their inability to deal with their own sh*t.


Winner, Winner, Chicken Dinner!

Being gay in today's America is pretty much mainstream, and guess what? Most of us don't care if you are or you aren't. I'm sorry if some of you have gone through schools where it was allowed for you to be treated poorly because you were gay, but it is against the law and against the school rules. Many of us were treated poorly as well for a variety of reasons, but it was our job to grow up and get through life the best we could; it's your job as well.
 
2011-05-04 01:30:21 AM

shiattynick: It's a big box filled with a ton of different types of people who are expected to learn the same damn things - that's all it is.


Part of the problem of public schools is expectations for the children to learn the same damn thing and the corollary of all children learning identically. While a broad, basic understanding is necessary and expected, an inability to provide individualized curriculum and enrichment is what causes certain bodies of students to fail, to not progress in certain subjects, or to not fulfill potential.

shiattynick: Answers like this are why I seconded the Weeners, we are turning this nation into a bunch of precious snowflakes who think it's their right to have their emotional issues treated as sacrosanct at school.


They are children. They are not adults. I do not expect others to kowtow to the emotional issues of adults, and I expect adults to understand people have differing perspectives. Until they graduate and for at least a little time afterward, those are still children who should be under the care of all adults. This is not to say you coddle them, but this is to say you work to treat emotional, social, etc., issues in a way which will best benefit the student on into their adult life. For students currently embroiled in an identity crisis, you provide a safe, welcoming environment by providing affirmation and presenting an open, non-judgmental demeanor. An inability to do this is an inability to teach.

shiattynick: but it is against the law and against the school rules.


Oh, against the law you say? Well good, I was afraid children had killed themselves over bullying due to a lack of parental and teacher involvement in the emotional and social development of their children/students, but knowing this is against the law should have every child personally confident in themselves in a snap.
 
2011-05-04 01:36:58 AM
meh, the word gay does not automatically make a site a sexual site or a sexually explicit site. It's frustrating sometimes... there are school districts around here that still block sites like trevorproject.org (suicide prevention for gay teens) because the words gay and homosexual appear in the site several times.
 
2011-05-04 01:40:02 AM

shiattynick: AbbeySomeone:
I'd say this thread is bringing out those maladjusted victims with emotional baggage that are still blaming others for their inability to deal with their own sh*t.

Winner, Winner, Chicken Dinner!

Being gay in today's America is pretty much mainstream, and guess what? Most of us don't care if you are or you aren't. I'm sorry if some of you have gone through schools where it was allowed for you to be treated poorly because you were gay, but it is against the law and against the school rules. Many of us were treated poorly as well for a variety of reasons, but it was our job to grow up and get through life the best we could; it's your job as well.


Pretty much mainstream works fine... until you can't see someone you love in a hospital because a nurse has a moral objection... until you can't make a medical decision for someone because someone who disowned them and hasn't talked to them for a decade is considered, by law, to be the reasonable choice for decision making. It works fine until some guys pick you up and tie you to a fence, beat you, and leave you there to die.
 
2011-05-04 01:42:31 AM

Vangor: shiattynick: It's a big box filled with a ton of different types of people who are expected to learn the same damn things - that's all it is.

Part of the problem of public schools is expectations for the children to learn the same damn thing and the corollary of all children learning identically. While a broad, basic understanding is necessary and expected, an inability to provide individualized curriculum and enrichment is what causes certain bodies of students to fail, to not progress in certain subjects, or to not fulfill potential.

shiattynick: Answers like this are why I seconded the Weeners, we are turning this nation into a bunch of precious snowflakes who think it's their right to have their emotional issues treated as sacrosanct at school.

They are children. They are not adults. I do not expect others to kowtow to the emotional issues of adults, and I expect adults to understand people have differing perspectives. Until they graduate and for at least a little time afterward, those are still children who should be under the care of all adults. This is not to say you coddle them, but this is to say you work to treat emotional, social, etc., issues in a way which will best benefit the student on into their adult life. For students currently embroiled in an identity crisis, you provide a safe, welcoming environment by providing affirmation and presenting an open, non-judgmental demeanor. An inability to do this is an inability to teach.

shiattynick: but it is against the law and against the school rules.

Oh, against the law you say? Well good, I was afraid children had killed themselves over bullying due to a lack of parental and teacher involvement in the emotional and social development of their children/students, but knowing this is against the law should have every child personally confident in themselves in a snap.


And if they were 15 or older and the school had provided internet access to,or an environment that had incited violence , these 'children' that murdered someone could be tried as adults, and schools could be sued for providing this incentive.
 
2011-05-04 01:45:11 AM
You seem to be pretty good at picking out half of a sentence and parading it as the full idea, seems to fit your agenda rather nicely. Nothing you have said in your replies above requires any change in curriculum, just a good teacher who shows concern in the students ability to learn and a devotion to their well being. That is always a bonus, but not a given.
If you are a teacher, it sounds like you need to know where to draw the line with your students when it comes to dealing with their emotional issues. You could find yourself out of a job or sued or even worse if you start getting involved in why Dave doesn't like Billy even though Billy likes him.
 
2011-05-04 01:48:06 AM
^ directed at Vangor
 
2011-05-04 01:51:49 AM
Discuss further amongst yourselves, I'm out for the night. I didn't have any plans to debate all the gay teachers on Fark tonight, how the hell did I end up here?
 
2011-05-04 02:02:02 AM
I worked at a Bank with the most aggressive filters I've ever seen. They didn't have a blacklist or whitelist, they filtered everything by keywords. So when I went to do a verification of employment for a client who was a VP at an LGBT network, no dice. I couldn't even view the results page on Google. Yes, because Google had "unapproved" words in the result, the page was blocked.

Another time I had to go in on a Sunday to work with a client. But the document I mailed in contained his name "Hedgecock.xls", and the stupid filter caught it and deleted it... I sat there at work without my document like a dick.

I hate nannies... well, not all nannies, I like hot, younger ones.
 
2011-05-04 02:03:41 AM

shiattynick: You seem to be pretty good at picking out half of a sentence and parading it as the full idea


Did I misconstrue any of your sentences? I quoted pertinent portions of this for our discussion; if you feel I am taking you out of context, I apologize but my intent is to simply let you know what idea I am responding to, not have us reread your comment. Besides, I feel as though I responded to the idea of each of those statements.

shiattynick: Nothing you have said in your replies above requires any change in curriculum


Correct. This discussion is not about change in curriculum but the change in what is considered the purview of school, which most use the word "curriculum".

shiattynick: That is always a bonus, but not a given.


Yes, but this should be a given rather than a bonus.

shiattynick: it sounds like you need to know where to draw the line with your students when it comes to dealing with their emotional issues.


I do know. This is actually part of what I am trained for: identifying and resolving issues in child development, especially those more common in or might have a greater impact with Gifted students.

shiattynick: You could find yourself out of a job or sued or even worse if you start getting involved in why Dave doesn't like Billy even though Billy likes him.


You seem to continue to misinterpret what I say as coddling despite my explicitly mentioning not being this. Students dislike each other for a myriad of reasons. This is normal and rather a part of healthy human development. When something is unhealthy, I intercede. Students feeling mental distress due to bullying, home life, media, etc., is unhealthy, and I intercede.

Be mindful, this began with you suggesting the only thing which was important was the curriculum itself. This is flatly untrue, and all you have been arguing is children should essentially walk it off and deal with a one-size-fits-all approach to education. I do not need the concern of one such as yourself for my career.
 
2011-05-04 02:39:22 AM
For all the posters who are arguing 'life's a crock of shiat, we had to deal with it', are you really that bitter that you don't actually think 'I had a bad time, but hopefully we can stop the next generation of kids from having a bad time'?

Allowing sites like gay suicide prevention, support for teens etc. isn't going to do anything (read: ANYTHING) but help. What could it possibly do? It's not porn. It's not graphic images. It's not a site that could be particularly interesting to look at during a class (I know that lots of kids still manage to find flash game sites that are unblocked), and in fact the relative privacy of a school library after hours is a much more likely viewing place than a packed classroom of the peers who have been bullying you.

If anyone can give me a rational reason why sites exactly like the ones I described should not be allowed, for viewing outside of lessons, I'd be amazed. Reasons why they should not. Not suggestions of other ways the kids can find this stuff out. An actual reason why the school shouldn't provide this. 'We had a hard time' doesn't cut it. If you had a hard time, don't you want your kids to have it better?
 
2011-05-04 02:46:25 AM

Penman: KingVJ: So the ACLU went to the media before the school received the letter.

motive?

Ca$h money. Better call up Jesse Jackson


No. Suing them first would garner them cash money. Putting public pressure on these schools, who recognizing he problem address it before a warning letter even arrives loses potential profit


...but it does help people.
 
2011-05-04 02:57:06 AM

JohnAnnArbor: What happens if you try to watch a clip from "Glee"?


You lose an IQ point.
 
2011-05-04 04:05:28 AM
I don't see a real-world problem with this. Then again, I've never seen a high school computer with any kind of privacy screening or other similar furniture.

What, you think a kid wants to be seen by their classmates looking up alternate sexuality stuff? fark no, you do it on your own time, at home or in the local library.

/ girls have cooties anyway
 
2011-05-04 04:51:12 AM

tankjr: minordisaster: Yup. I put up with this in high school. Organizations like GLAAD, GLSEN and PFLAG were filtered for "gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender content", which was changed to "gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender issues" after I complained. Nice to see something being done about. Hey, ACLU, feel free to come investigate Bridgeport Connecticut's schools and see if that's still happening here, when you're done.

Wow you had the Internet in high school? Did you get your mommy's permission to post on Fark?

/off my lawn


I had the internets in junior high and high school, and I'm over 30.

/getting off lawn now, sir
 
2011-05-04 06:03:30 AM

starsrift: I don't see a real-world problem with this. Then again, I've never seen a high school computer with any kind of privacy screening or other similar furniture.

What, you think a kid wants to be seen by their classmates looking up alternate sexuality stuff? fark no, you do it on your own time, at home or in the local library.

/ girls have cooties anyway


This might make me subject to the most 'getting off my lawn'ness of the thread, but when I left school last year, they were starting to put special filters over the screens in IT classrooms so that to anyone not directly in front of the screen it would appear black. They started to do it for exams, but when I left they'd decided to put it on all the computers in the school.

/ Also after hours/ breaktime school libraries exist.
 
2011-05-04 07:25:41 AM

spamdog: I love the accusation of "political correctness".

No, what's "politically correct" is blocking this content so that "precious snowflake" parents don't get their knickers in a twist.


Don't you know ANYTHING? It's only "politically correct" (= bad), when it's something the righties don't like. Statements like "We're a Christian nation." or "Life begins at conception." or "Homosexuality is an abomination." or "Marriage is between one man and one woman." aren't examples of right-wing political correctness. Not in the least.
 
2011-05-04 07:51:06 AM
Might as well complain that you can't get boogers included in your school lunch. And those of you that said that access to children was the next step on the homosexual agenda, it appears you can collect your prize now.
 
2011-05-04 09:09:32 AM

shiattynick: AbbeySomeone:
I'd say this thread is bringing out those maladjusted victims with emotional baggage that are still blaming others for their inability to deal with their own sh*t.

Winner, Winner, Chicken Dinner!

Being gay in today's America is pretty much mainstream, and guess what? Most of us don't care if you are or you aren't. I'm sorry if some of you have gone through schools where it was allowed for you to be treated poorly because you were gay, but it is against the law and against the school rules. Many of us were treated poorly as well for a variety of reasons, but it was our job to grow up and get through life the best we could; it's your job as well.


Tell that to Matt Sheperd, Tyler Clemente, Lawrence King, and the other "mainstream" kids who were killed by their peers or killed themselves as a direct result of their peer's behavior due to their sexuality. Idiot.
 
2011-05-04 09:32:51 AM

shiattynick: xen0blue: minordisaster: Yup. I put up with this in high school. Organizations like GLAAD, GLSEN and PFLAG were filtered for "gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender content", which was changed to "gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender issues" after I complained. Nice to see something being done about. Hey, ACLU, feel free to come investigate Bridgeport Connecticut's schools and see if that's still happening here, when you're done.

You complained? What a whiny little biatch. It's people like you who make people walk on eggshells day in and day out because you've made political correctness into an institution. fark you.

Seconded!
The school can block what is deemed not proper content for school grounds, you're free to look at whatever you want at your home on your own time. Tired of all kinds of people making an issue out of things that don't even belong in the setting of a school. There is a lesson plan and unless that class was Why does my penis grow when I think about penises 101, there is no reason to be searching for those sites at school. People like this are the same as the damn fundies, none of you are really that special. At least the gays earn the butthurt the old fashioned way, NTTATWWT.


Actually I heard this story a couple of weeks ago from one of the ACLU lawyers on Dan Savage's podcast because they were just working on the case. The complaint wasn't that they had just blocked GLADD and PFLAG and other similar sites. It was that they blocked them but didn't filter out sites from churches or religious organizations that would "counsel" the gay out of you.
 
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