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(Daily Mail)   Workers in the US joke about calling in dead. Workers at the iPad factory in China have to sign an agreement not to commit suicide   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 75
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2011-05-03 03:14:44 PM
FTFA: And they were made to promise that if they did, their families would only seek the legal minimum in damages.

That's the real reason. The old policy used to allow families to collect 10 years worth of salary after a suicide.
 
2011-05-03 03:32:00 PM
Wokers at the iPad factory

mit.zenfs.com
 
2011-05-03 04:00:12 PM
How does a company enforce a contract like that in the event that you do choose to kill yourself?
 
2011-05-03 04:00:21 PM
Now I'm hungry for some stir-fry.
 
2011-05-03 04:01:18 PM
Did we have this story not too long ago, except it was the iPhone? (3GS, I believe)
 
2011-05-03 04:01:33 PM
"During peak periods of demand for the iPad, workers were made to take only one day off in 13."

Sounds like my 3 year stint with Microsoft back in the late 90's
 
2011-05-03 04:01:46 PM
I assume it's a lot like Amityville. I mean, that's a lot of concentrated i-evil in one place, the voices are inevitable.
 
2011-05-03 04:01:52 PM

madgonad: How does a company enforce a contract like that in the event that you do choose to kill yourself?


They take it out on your family.
 
2011-05-03 04:02:47 PM
BUT I NEED MY iWhatever NOW!

/another reason not to buy Apple
 
2011-05-03 04:03:06 PM

madgonad: How does a company enforce a contract like that in the event that you do choose to kill yourself?


Well, according to the article, if you commit suicide, your family is only entitled to the bare essential payout. This, as opposed to hundreds of 1000s of dollars, I suppose.
There apparently is a real and binding recourse for taking yourself out.
 
2011-05-03 04:04:09 PM
Forced to stand, except for the chairs in TFA.

/Didn't the NY Times article last year say they get 2,000 applications a day to work there?
 
2011-05-03 04:04:41 PM
And if you do, what do they do, fire you?

TOO LATE MOTHERFARKERS
 
2011-05-03 04:06:02 PM
iDantesInferno?

YAY CEOs! You shipped our jobs to slave laborers in China to fatten your own paychecks. Livin the dream
 
2011-05-03 04:06:09 PM
I just promised not to kill myself. I didn't sign ANYTHING requiring me to wear pants to work.
 
2011-05-03 04:06:32 PM
Wokers because people in china use woks? or wokers because subby forgot an r?

you decide!
 
2011-05-03 04:07:07 PM

Jupiter's Thunder: The voices are inevitable.


The voices are ALWAYS inevitable! ... mine are pretty mild, though. They usually say things like, "One more beer isn't going to hurt." and "She totally won't care if you grab her cute roommate's ass." They get me into trouble, but not much.
 
2011-05-03 04:07:33 PM
Apple's supplier code of conduct demands that employees are treated with respect and dignity, but its own audit reports suggest suppliers in China may not meet up to (sic) these standards.

The human race would like that liver back, Steve.
 
2011-05-03 04:07:37 PM

Gig103: FTFA: And they were made to promise that if they did, their families would only seek the legal minimum in damages.

That's the real reason. The old policy used to allow families to collect 10 years worth of salary after a suicide.


Ooh... so they're basically just taking notes from insurance companies, and following along?

/Off yourself? All benefits are denied.
//We kid... we were going to deny everything anyway.
 
2011-05-03 04:08:14 PM
Wokers
 
2011-05-03 04:08:57 PM

durbnpoisn: madgonad: How does a company enforce a contract like that in the event that you do choose to kill yourself?

Well, according to the article, if you commit suicide, your family is only entitled to the bare essential payout. This, as opposed to hundreds of 1000s of dollars, I suppose.
There apparently is a real and binding recourse for taking yourself out.


You mean that that if you 'accidentally' get yourself killed in a factory in China they actually do something besides call another drone in to fill your spot?

I thought that was the entire point of offshoring manufacturing to Asia, disposable people.
 
2011-05-03 04:09:26 PM

Butterflew: Wokers because people in china use woks? or wokers because subby forgot an r?

you decide!


Don't be wacist.
 
2011-05-03 04:09:27 PM
I dunno...I kinda like my ipad even more now that I know it's fueled by the souls of dead chinese slave laborers.
 
2011-05-03 04:09:52 PM
you forgot the "l".
 
2011-05-03 04:10:10 PM

Butterflew: Wokers because people in china use woks? or wokers because subby forgot an r?

you decide!


Duh?

That's the joke, and you woked right into it.
 
2011-05-03 04:10:48 PM
You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your farking khakis. You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world. T Durden
 
2011-05-03 04:10:50 PM
The Daily Fail is blocked for me, but if this is Foxconn, they installed suicide nets on all of the buildings to catch people as they jumped to their doom.

Foxconn is a huge manufacturer of almost everything Apple. It resembles the old company scrip institutions that we used to have here, only not quite as bad.
 
2011-05-03 04:11:13 PM
 
2011-05-03 04:11:14 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
Who told you to die? Keep fighting!
Commissar Otto Xavier
 
2011-05-03 04:11:17 PM
At least 14 workers at Foxconn factories in China have killed themselves in the last 16 months as a result of horrendous working conditions.

So every month 1 out of 500,000 people commit suicide and the Daily Mail not only know what the cause is in each case, but knows it is Foxconn's working conditions. Not depression from being away from home, not a failed relationship, not teenage angst, not some mental condition, but the working conditions specific to Foxconn.
 
2011-05-03 04:12:15 PM
That will teach those communist slave labourers to read the end user agreement
 
2011-05-03 04:12:52 PM
the only way this news could make me happier was if I found out that Apple was capturing the souls of those suicides and hammering their ectoplasmic essence into the CPU of every iPad they ever made.

snazzy electronics powered by the screaming souls of the dead? HELLS ya! sign me up for one of those things!
 
2011-05-03 04:14:44 PM

Big_Fat_Liar: At least 14 workers at Foxconn factories in China have killed themselves in the last 16 months as a result of horrendous working conditions.

So every month 1 out of 500,000 people commit suicide and the Daily Mail not only know what the cause is in each case, but knows it is Foxconn's working conditions. Not depression from being away from home, not a failed relationship, not teenage angst, not some mental condition, but the working conditions specific to Foxconn.


There's 500,000 people working at the Foxconn plant? Holy cow, that's huge...
 
2011-05-03 04:17:25 PM
In less-enlightened times, they'd have hung you for it.
www.modsandrockers.com
 
2011-05-03 04:21:41 PM

Big_Fat_Liar: At least 14 workers at Foxconn factories in China have killed themselves in the last 16 months as a result of horrendous working conditions.

So every month 1 out of 500,000 people commit suicide and the Daily Mail not only know what the cause is in each case, but knows it is Foxconn's working conditions. Not depression from being away from home, not a failed relationship, not teenage angst, not some mental condition, but the working conditions specific to Foxconn.


yeah, I was wondering if that's a lot by whatever the applicable standard is.
 
2011-05-03 04:24:22 PM
At least managers in Chinese factories care whether the workers kill themselves.
 
2011-05-03 04:25:06 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-05-03 04:27:46 PM

Weaver95: the only way this news could make me happier was if I found out that Apple was capturing the souls of those suicides and hammering their ectoplasmic essence into the CPU of every iPad they ever made.

snazzy electronics powered by the screaming souls of the dead? HELLS ya! sign me up for one of those things!


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2011-05-03 04:29:35 PM
newledger.com


Approves
 
2011-05-03 04:37:55 PM
Not all douchebags have ipads; but if you have an ipad, you're probably a douchebag.
 
2011-05-03 04:39:08 PM
Big_Fat_Liar
At least 14 workers at Foxconn factories in China have killed themselves in the last 16 months as a result of horrendous working conditions.

So every month 1 out of 500,000 people commit suicide and the Daily Mail not only know what the cause is in each case, but knows it is Foxconn's working conditions. Not depression from being away from home, not a failed relationship, not teenage angst, not some mental condition, but the working conditions specific to Foxconn.


I saw show on Cspan where Mike Daisey had spent a number of weeks at Foxconn. He stood outside the gates of the factories and interviewed hundreds of workers. His conclusion was the suicides were somewhat related to the working conditions but were primarily attributable to the way the workers were viewed by mgmt. Not so much as humans but were viewed as just cogs. He said that Tiawanese companies treat the chinese workers even worse. Its not just Apple that employs these chinese factories, its every tech company so there is no moral high ground unless you want to give up every commnication device you own.
 
2011-05-03 04:55:46 PM
It just works.
 
2011-05-03 04:56:07 PM
I'm the first? For shame...

osxdaily.com

/Hot.
 
2011-05-03 04:59:45 PM

Big_Fat_Liar: At least 14 workers at Foxconn factories in China have killed themselves in the last 16 months as a result of horrendous working conditions.

So every month 1 out of 500,000 people commit suicide and the Daily Mail not only know what the cause is in each case, but knows it is Foxconn's working conditions. Not depression from being away from home, not a failed relationship, not teenage angst, not some mental condition, but the working conditions specific to Foxconn, suicides and working conditions.


Some good statistical info in the comments to this BoingBoing link (pops) to a Wired article (pops) about Foxconn.

In short, the suicide rate among Foxconn workers is much lower than the average rate in China, and the rate it much, much lower than the rate of US teens.

Statistically speaking, Foxconn should be commended for such a low suicide rate (yeah, yeah, any suicide is bad...) among it's workers versus most any average population - average for China, US, Korea, etc. I don't think the no-suicide provision in the contract nor the anti-suicide nets around the Foxconn buildings do much to prevent someone determined to take their life.
 
2011-05-03 05:06:43 PM

Buffalo77: Big_Fat_Liar
At least 14 workers at Foxconn factories in China have killed themselves in the last 16 months as a result of horrendous working conditions.

So every month 1 out of 500,000 people commit suicide and the Daily Mail not only know what the cause is in each case, but knows it is Foxconn's working conditions. Not depression from being away from home, not a failed relationship, not teenage angst, not some mental condition, but the working conditions specific to Foxconn.

I saw show on Cspan where Mike Daisey had spent a number of weeks at Foxconn. He stood outside the gates of the factories and interviewed hundreds of workers. His conclusion was the suicides were somewhat related to the working conditions but were primarily attributable to the way the workers were viewed by mgmt. Not so much as humans but were viewed as just cogs. He said that Tiawanese companies treat the chinese workers even worse. Its not just Apple that employs these chinese factories, its every tech company so there is no moral high ground unless you want to give up every commnication device you own.


Foxconn builds some products for the company I work at. We've seen the pictures from fellow employees that had to spend some time over there. The scale is incredible. They have farms! The Daily Mail story is a little whacky. 98 hours per month overtime is not bad, particularly since it is voluntary. The Daily Mail can't fathom that and seems to think it really isn't voluntary. If you resided at Foxconn you would probably want to work that 25 hours per week OT rather than do nothing in your dorm. The whole point of going to the big factory is to make as much money as you can and then return to your family, maybe take a year off, and then return to the city to work for another year.
 
2011-05-03 05:09:33 PM
So all these Chinese cooks are killing themselves?
 
2011-05-03 05:18:53 PM

Buffalo77: Its not just Apple that employs these chinese factories, its every tech company so there is no moral high ground unless you want to give up every commnication device you own.


Meh. I don't know about you, but the fact that other humans toiled their entire lives just to make my phone gives it some panache.

It's like my phone becomes Matt Damon, and the useless human worker who kills himself becomes Tom Hanks.

/earn it.
 
2011-05-03 05:28:45 PM
So, should I feel bad for owning an iPhone?
 
2011-05-03 05:46:53 PM

highendmighty: So, should I feel bad for owning an iPhone?


Nah this was an inspirational article to those of us that don't work in a factory most of our lives
 
2011-05-03 05:51:46 PM
Anti-suicide nets were put up around the dormitory buildings on the advice of psychologists.

i.dailymail.co.uk

Do those work?
I mean, it looks like fun. Plus, if there's a crowd in the elevators/stairwells, it's a MUCH faster way to get down.

/gotta get to work on time, ya know
 
2011-05-03 05:55:38 PM

madgonad: How does a company enforce a contract like that in the event that you do choose to kill yourself?


They reanimate you and kill you a second time.
 
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