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2011-05-03 10:35:13 AM
Then President George Bush, six months after 9/11:

"Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not. We haven't heard from him in a long time. The idea of focusing on one person really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. He's just a person who's been marginalized. ... I don't know where he is. I really just don't spend that much time on him, to be honest with you."
 
2011-05-03 10:53:45 AM
She's right on both counts, actually.

In the grand scheme of the GWOT or whatever it's called these days, it doesn't really matter. The fact, however, killing the mastermind of the 9/11 (and other) attacks is huge.

/drtfa
 
2011-05-03 11:15:43 AM
It's huge in a symbolic way, but I doubt it's going to change much of our foreign policy. It's not like the wars are over now.
 
2011-05-03 11:19:44 AM

Jack's Cracker: Then President George Bush, six months after 9/11:

"Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not. We haven't heard from him in a long time. The idea of focusing on one person really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. He's just a person who's been marginalized. ... I don't know where he is. I really just don't spend that much time on him, to be honest with you."


Yeah, call me back when PJM gives a shiat about this quote. They can't bludgeon liberals with it, so they'll ignore it.
 
2011-05-03 12:43:52 PM

kingoomieiii: Jack's Cracker: Then President George Bush, six months after 9/11:

"Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not. We haven't heard from him in a long time. The idea of focusing on one person really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. He's just a person who's been marginalized. ... I don't know where he is. I really just don't spend that much time on him, to be honest with you."

Yeah, call me back when PJM gives a shiat about this quote. They can't bludgeon liberals with it, so they'll ignore it.


In Bush's defense, in context this quote is exactly the same thing that Pelosi is saying- OBL is big symbolically, but it's hardly the end of the war on terror, or even the most important piece of that.

Both sides are arguing that they're right, when they're both right. And simultaneously both wrong.

/so vote Republican
 
2011-05-03 01:50:27 PM
I'll accept that it was a pretty dumb thing to say, regardless of who said it.
 
2011-05-03 02:21:26 PM
President Bush, 2001: Killing Osama is our top priority
President Bush, 2008: Osama who?
 
2011-05-03 02:40:19 PM

cmunic8r99: She's right on both counts, actually.

In the grand scheme of the GWOT or whatever it's called these days, it doesn't really matter. The fact, however, killing the mastermind of the 9/11 (and other) attacks is huge.

/drtfa


So then Bush was right too?
 
2011-05-03 02:41:43 PM

cmunic8r99: The fact, however, killing the mastermind of the 9/11 (and other) attacks is huge.


The mastermind of 9/11 is alive in Gitmo, goofus.
 
2011-05-03 02:41:53 PM
This bombshell will surely affect Nancy Pelosi's huge support among readers of Pajamas Media.
 
2011-05-03 02:42:24 PM

GoldSpider: cmunic8r99: She's right on both counts, actually.

In the grand scheme of the GWOT or whatever it's called these days, it doesn't really matter. The fact, however, killing the mastermind of the 9/11 (and other) attacks is huge.

/drtfa

So then Bush was right too?


It's already been established that Bush didn't really give a shiat about bin Laden.
 
2011-05-03 02:43:22 PM

GoldSpider: So then Bush was right too?


As in the oft trotted out quote of him saying he is not too concerned about OBL? I would have to say yes in that if you can't, or won't (debatable) arrest/capture/kill your opposition, the best thing you can do is marginalize them. Makes them appear weak and makes them more likely to give themselves away by trying to AW more.
 
2011-05-03 02:43:55 PM
It is huge in that we could never leave Afghanistan without getting Usama because if we left without getting him, then we'd look like we were defeated. There are a number of things that need to be done before we can leave. I don't think anyone knows what the list is or how long it is. With Usama dead, the to-do list is at least one item shorter.

Big Win for Obama!!
 
2011-05-03 02:44:38 PM
Meh


www.vanityfair.com

27.media.tumblr.com


It is hilarious to watch Republicans struggle to find something negative. There is a lot of clinging and flailing about going on these days.
 
2011-05-03 02:45:06 PM

Jake Havechek: GoldSpider: cmunic8r99: She's right on both counts, actually.

In the grand scheme of the GWOT or whatever it's called these days, it doesn't really matter. The fact, however, killing the mastermind of the 9/11 (and other) attacks is huge.

/drtfa

So then Bush was right too?

It's already been established that Bush didn't really give a shiat about bin Laden.


Only in your partisan ganglion, Nancy.
 
2011-05-03 02:46:04 PM

notShryke: Jake Havechek: GoldSpider: cmunic8r99: She's right on both counts, actually.

In the grand scheme of the GWOT or whatever it's called these days, it doesn't really matter. The fact, however, killing the mastermind of the 9/11 (and other) attacks is huge.

/drtfa

So then Bush was right too?

It's already been established that Bush didn't really give a shiat about bin Laden.

Only in your partisan ganglion, Nancy.


Go find a dictionary and look up 'context', slappy.
 
2011-05-03 02:46:56 PM

GoldSpider: So then Bush was right too?


Bush was right after he flip-flopped.
 
2011-05-03 02:47:09 PM
So they're attacking her for agreeing with Bush? WTF am I reading?
 
2011-05-03 02:49:51 PM
YOUR BLOG SUCKS
 
2011-05-03 02:50:16 PM
George Bush 2003: Really couldn't give one fark about killing Osama Bin Ladin

Republicans 2011: George Bush killed Osama Bin Ladin.
 
2011-05-03 02:50:22 PM
Trying hard to care. Failing.

Honestly, I want this damn Iraq/Afghanistan adventure done with and our troops home. NOW.

Everything else is just details. HOME. NOW.
 
2011-05-03 02:51:22 PM
She once said something, but now she acknowledged something! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE
 
2011-05-03 02:52:05 PM

ObamaTheOmnipotent: It is hilarious to watch Republicans struggle to find something negative. There is a lot of clinging and flailing about going on these days.


They can't. It is a great victory for Obama. Usama was vilified by Bush and the GOP for 10 years and Obama nabbed him. Instead of saying it was a bad thing, the narrative is that either, 1) it is no big deal or 2) you shouldn't be happy that Usama is dead.
 
2011-05-03 02:52:20 PM
And the butthurt goes on...
 
2011-05-03 02:52:41 PM
t3.gstatic.com

In 2006 she was just trying to make Bush feel better.
 
2011-05-03 02:54:16 PM

sweetmelissa31: It's huge in a symbolic way, but I doubt it's going to change much of our foreign policy. It's not like the wars are over now.


It's not like we're getting our civil liberties back.
 
2011-05-03 02:55:48 PM
Come on you partisan hacks. Even Rush was able to thank Obama for his role in catching Bin Laden. When you are an even bigger partisan shill than Rush Limbaugh, you must be pretty out there.
 
2011-05-03 02:57:06 PM

DarnoKonrad: So they're attacking her for agreeing with Bush? WTF am I reading?


Butthurt conservative opinion. They aren't coping well with the fact that a wimpy liberal demonrat usurper outright stole their grand prize in the war on terror. A Republican president can never make the announcement Obama just did and I wouldn't doubt if a few of them weeped into their eagle-embroidered hankies. They just want their country and their political wins back :(
 
2011-05-03 02:57:19 PM

lilbjorn: sweetmelissa31: It's huge in a symbolic way, but I doubt it's going to change much of our foreign policy. It's not like the wars are over now.

It's not like we're getting our civil liberties back.


It's not like the GOP is gonna stop trying to pass laws based on their fear of Muslims.
 
2011-05-03 02:58:21 PM
Why can't conservatives just say "Good job Sir. Let's now see how to fix the economy and create jobs together"?
 
2011-05-03 02:58:48 PM
Hmm. they "accidentally" didn't link to that first "quote."

Oh, and great article!
 
2011-05-03 02:58:49 PM
subby fails for even thinking she's still truly relevant to even the left wing.
 
2011-05-03 02:59:29 PM

T-Luv: Come on you partisan hacks. Even Rush was able to thank Obama for his role in catching Bin Laden. When you are an even bigger partisan shill than Rush Limbaugh, you must be pretty out there.


He was being sarcastic.
 
2011-05-03 02:59:41 PM
It looks like it's going to be huge because we got him in his home and retrieved a crapload of data.

Panetta gave an interview to Time published today. (new window)

The aftermath of the mission has been productive. The U.S. collected an "impressive amount" of material from bin Laden's compound, including computers and other electronics, Panetta says. Panetta has set up a task force to act on the fresh intelligence. Intelligence reporting suggests that one of bin Laden's wives who survived the attack has said the family had been living at the compound since 2005, a source tells TIME.


This could be a LOT of intel.
 
2011-05-03 02:59:49 PM

morrach: DarnoKonrad: So they're attacking her for agreeing with Bush? WTF am I reading?

Butthurt conservative opinion. They aren't coping well with the fact that a wimpy liberal demonrat usurper outright stole their grand prize in the war on terror. A Republican president can never make the announcement Obama just did and I wouldn't doubt if a few of them weeped into their eagle-embroidered hankies. They just want their country and their political wins back :(


And they probably also know Bush wouldn't have had the balls to call a Seal team in. The first plan was to blow the damn mansion up. I'll bet Bush would have just stuck with that and called it a day. Obama took a big risk sending in the Seal team and it paid off. Now the building wasn't destroyed, there was minimal collateral damage and we got intel from inside the mansion. Job well done. Couldn't have gone better. (except for the helicopter)
 
2011-05-03 03:00:24 PM

Jairzinho: Why can't conservatives just say "Good job Sir. Let's now see how to fix the economy and create jobs together"?


Because one of their biggest 2012 talking points, the Obama is soft on national defense, has just been destroyed.
 
2011-05-03 03:00:55 PM

mediaho: T-Luv: Come on you partisan hacks. Even Rush was able to thank Obama for his role in catching Bin Laden. When you are an even bigger partisan shill than Rush Limbaugh, you must be pretty out there.

He was being sarcastic.


Nope (new window)
 
2011-05-03 03:01:57 PM
Again... This is a liberal giving Dubya's quote context. I'm not saying Bush made OBL his top priority or anything like Obama did, OR that he deserves any credit. I just think it's retarded that otherwise smart people are quoting Bush without context (or throwing up completely fabricated quotes) just to score some points at the expense of the truth.


THE PRESIDENT: Deep in my heart I know the man is on the run, if he's alive at all. Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not; we haven't heard from him in a long time. And the idea of focusing on one person is - really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. And he's just - he's a person who's now been marginalized. His network, his host government has been destroyed. He's the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match. He is - as I mentioned in my speech, I do mention the fact that this is a fellow who is willing to commit youngsters to their death and he, himself, tries to hide - if, in fact, he's hiding at all. So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. I'm more worried about making sure that our soldiers are well-supplied; that the strategy is clear; that the coalition is strong; that when we find enemy bunched up like we did in Shahikot Mountains, that the military has all the support it needs to go in and do the job, which they did.
Q: But don't you believe that the threat that bin Laden posed won't truly be eliminated until he is found either dead or alive?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is. I - I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him, when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban.
 
2011-05-03 03:12:45 PM

T-Luv: mediaho: T-Luv: Come on you partisan hacks. Even Rush was able to thank Obama for his role in catching Bin Laden. When you are an even bigger partisan shill than Rush Limbaugh, you must be pretty out there.

He was being sarcastic.

Nope (new window)


I personally agree with these takes (new window).
 
2011-05-03 03:14:40 PM

cmunic8r99: She's right on both counts, actually.

In the grand scheme of the GWOT or whatever it's called these days, it doesn't really matter. The fact, however, killing the mastermind of the 9/11 (and other) attacks is huge.


/drtfa


Yes you did.
 
2011-05-03 03:15:26 PM

Jairzinho: Why can't conservatives just say "Good job Sir. Let's now see how to fix the economy and create jobs together"?




Because Pelosi.
 
2011-05-03 03:16:19 PM
I was watching a Teabagger "friend" of mine on FB the other day alternately posting quotes like this and then saying she'd believe we caught OBL when she saw pictures. She was champing at the bit for a "libtard" to contradict her so she can slay them with her superhuman powers of email cutting & pasting. Unfortunately, nobody would take the bait. I was sorely tempted--seriously, it's REALLY hard to pass up passive-aggressive posts like, "Jane Doe is vastly unimpressed by today's news" or, "Jane Doe is really surprised by some of the status updates she's seen about You Know Who (her code for Obama)", or, "Jane Doe thinks it's a little too convinient [sic] that bin Laden's body was SUPPOSABLY [sic] dumped overboard and there's no pix. I'm not a sheep like the Obamabots. Seeing is believing."

Poor thing must have had a very frustrating day.
 
2011-05-03 03:16:58 PM

Phil Herup: Jairzinho: Why can't conservatives just say "Good job Sir. Let's now see how to fix the economy and create jobs together"?


Because Pelosi.



I thought the meme was "B-b-b-but Pelosi!"
 
kab
2011-05-03 03:18:35 PM
Subby: Killing Osama doesn't matter.

Actual quote: [E]ven if [Osama bin Laden] is caught tomorrow, it is five years too late. He has done more damage the longer he has been out there. But, in fact, the damage that he has done ... is done. And even to capture him now I don't think makes us any safer.

Conclusion: subby can count to potato.
 
2011-05-03 03:18:49 PM

cmunic8r99: She's right on both counts, actually.

In the grand scheme of the GWOT or whatever it's called these days, it doesn't really matter. The fact, however, killing the mastermind of the 9/11 (and other) attacks is huge.


I detest the coont, but agree that, assuming she made both statements, she was right both times.

Anyway, wouldn't the 2006 statement be supportive of Bush and any perceived failure on his part to get Osama?
 
2011-05-03 03:19:40 PM
This in no way looks sad or desperate.
 
2011-05-03 03:20:28 PM

Phil Herup: Jairzinho: Why can't conservatives just say "Good job Sir. Let's now see how to fix the economy and create jobs together"?



Because Pelosi.


Pelosi only has one vote, man. The GOP just has to have one person to vote the opposite way as her and she is powerless. Stop wetting your pants over something you dummies can neutralize easily. I swear you guys are the biggest babies ever to be involved in government. That's why it took a democrat to finally get Bin Laden. Man up and grow a pair!
 
2011-05-03 03:20:29 PM

Jairzinho: Why can't conservatives just say "Good job Sir. Let's now see how to fix the economy and create jobs together"?


A lot of them did, but I know you wouldn't want to check up on that.
 
2011-05-03 03:20:30 PM
Sometimes people change opinions after 5 years.
 
2011-05-03 03:21:55 PM

cmunic8r99: She's right on both counts, actually.

In the grand scheme of the GWOT or whatever it's called these days, it doesn't really matter. The fact, however, killing the mastermind of the 9/11 (and other) attacks is huge.

/drtfa




You do realize that you have just stated the exact opposite of what she said, right?

Her recent quote says that the death of bin Laden is huge for the GWOT, and in 2006 she said he wasn't important to the GWOT.

So you have just argued that you disagree with her but she is right on both counts. Good job.

Consequently, her statements in 2006 and 2011 have a striking resemblance to Bush's 2002 statement and his statement yesterday. But then Bush knew that there government resources hard at work on tracking down bin Laden and al Qaeda dedicated.

Also worth noting, at the time that Bush made that statement they had yet to capture KSM and get the first lead on OBL, but he had diplomats and military resources working with Pakistan to capture al Qaeda leaders in Pakistan. He just couldn't speak openly about it because Pakistan's cooperation was a huge political risk for Pakistan at that point.

And, from a operational standpoint, KSM was the mastermind of 9/11, not OBL. Smart Islamic radicals are harder to come by than rich ones, so KSM was really the bigger hit... especially since OBL was cut off from his money supply before ground zero had stopped smoking.

Don't get me wrong, the death of bin Laden on Sunday was terrific, and I even liked Obama's speech, but the rabid left trying to paint the actions on Sunday as being completely the efforts of Barack Obama is simply asinine. JSOC found the name of the owner of the compound in 2007 and the address of the compound in early 2009.

Obama gave the final go ahead to take down Osama, but when he took office the actual hunt for Osama bin Laden was nearly complete.
 
2011-05-03 03:22:10 PM
Republicans are so sad their hero Osama Bin Ladin was killed that they're now setting their sights firmly on Obama and other Democrats who brought this victory to America. Why do you Republicans hate America so much?
 
2011-05-03 03:22:48 PM

kab: Subby: Killing Osama doesn't matter.

Actual quote: [E]ven if [Osama bin Laden] is caught tomorrow, it is five years too late. He has done more damage the longer he has been out there. But, in fact, the damage that he has done ... is done. And even to capture him now I don't think makes us any safer.

Conclusion: subby can count to potato.


While I agree on your assessment of subby's intelligence, I think Pelosi is still wrong. Killing Osama does make us safer. Without as strong of leader to look up to they will have more difficulty recruiting more terrorists. Kill enough of the leaders and they'll lose their organization. Cross your fingers, maybe someday there would be a power struggle =D
 
2011-05-03 03:24:15 PM

brigid_fitch: "You Know Who (her code for Obama)"


So in her mind, Obama = Voldemort?
 
2011-05-03 03:25:10 PM

brigid_fitch: I was watching a Teabagger "friend" of mine on FB the other day alternately posting quotes like this and then saying she'd believe we caught OBL when she saw pictures. She was champing at the bit for a "libtard" to contradict her so she can slay them with her superhuman powers of email cutting & pasting. Unfortunately, nobody would take the bait. I was sorely tempted--seriously, it's REALLY hard to pass up passive-aggressive posts like, "Jane Doe is vastly unimpressed by today's news" or, "Jane Doe is really surprised by some of the status updates she's seen about You Know Who (her code for Obama)", or, "Jane Doe thinks it's a little too convinient [sic] that bin Laden's body was SUPPOSABLY [sic] dumped overboard and there's no pix. I'm not a sheep like the Obamabots. Seeing is believing."

Poor thing must have had a very frustrating day.


Show does appear to be rather unintelligent. How noble of you to keep her as a "friend".
 
2011-05-03 03:25:15 PM

stoli n coke: Jairzinho: Why can't conservatives just say "Good job Sir. Let's now see how to fix the economy and create jobs together"?

Because one of their biggest 2012 talking points, the Obama is soft on national defense, has just been destroyed.


Don't forget that part of that "soft on nat'l defense" complaint stems from when Obama concentrated on repairing our foreign relations after 8 years of Bush's saber-rattling. They accused him of kow-towing to foreign leaders and lambasted him for suggesting diplomatic solutions w/Iran, saying his actions made the US look weak.

They can't reconcile in their heads that this weak, inexperienced, ineffectual oaf just ordered a group of elite soldiers into a sovereign state, without their permission or knowledge, and kicked ass.
 
2011-05-03 03:32:11 PM
That's it! She'll never get my vote for speaker of the house!
 
2011-05-03 03:36:18 PM
You guys can biatch about Pelosi all you want and until the demographics of her district changes completely or she runs for a different office, you're wasting your energy.
 
2011-05-03 03:37:38 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: You guys can biatch about Pelosi all you want and until the demographics of her district changes completely or she runs for a different office, you're wasting your energy.




True. Her supporters are idiots who will remain idiots
 
2011-05-03 03:37:42 PM

brigid_fitch: stoli n coke: Jairzinho: Why can't conservatives just say "Good job Sir. Let's now see how to fix the economy and create jobs together"?

Because one of their biggest 2012 talking points, the Obama is soft on national defense, has just been destroyed.

Don't forget that part of that "soft on nat'l defense" complaint stems from when Obama concentrated on repairing our foreign relations after 8 years of Bush's saber-rattling. They accused him of kow-towing to foreign leaders and lambasted him for suggesting diplomatic solutions w/Iran, saying his actions made the US look weak.

They can't reconcile in their heads that this weak, inexperienced, ineffectual oaf just ordered a group of elite soldiers into a sovereign state, without their permission or knowledge, and kicked ass.


What good is cognitive dissonance, if it can't handle something like this?
 
2011-05-03 03:38:42 PM

Phil Herup: Britney Spear's Speculum: You guys can biatch about Pelosi all you want and until the demographics of her district changes completely or she runs for a different office, you're wasting your energy.



True. Her supporters are idiots who will remain idiots


thanks for making my point
 
2011-05-03 03:39:56 PM
Keep throwing up crap like monkeys, whackadoodles. Something has to stick eventually!1!!!111!!

Can we please get back to solving the country's problems?
 
2011-05-03 03:40:30 PM
Nancy Pelosi Republicans, 2006: Killing Osama doesn't matter. Nancy Pelosi Republicans, 2011: Killing Osama is huge and George Bush did it!!!
 
2011-05-03 03:43:19 PM
I rank the killing of Osama right up there with the trial and execution of Saddam Hussein.

Both good and right actions.
 
2011-05-03 03:43:50 PM

brigid_fitch: I was watching a Teabagger "friend" of mine on FB the other day alternately posting quotes like this and then saying she'd believe we caught OBL when she saw pictures. She was champing at the bit for a "libtard" to contradict her so she can slay them with her superhuman powers of email cutting & pasting. Unfortunately, nobody would take the bait. I was sorely tempted--seriously, it's REALLY hard to pass up passive-aggressive posts like, "Jane Doe is vastly unimpressed by today's news" or, "Jane Doe is really surprised by some of the status updates she's seen about You Know Who (her code for Obama)", or, "Jane Doe thinks it's a little too convinient [sic] that bin Laden's body was SUPPOSABLY [sic] dumped overboard and there's no pix. I'm not a sheep like the Obamabots. Seeing is believing."

Poor thing must have had a very frustrating day.


You should unfriend her simply for saying supposably. I haven't heard anything like that since the 3rd grade.
 
2011-05-03 03:45:19 PM
she is just a stupid ugly coont with a soapbox to stand on. God forbid, the attention whore is out of the spotlight for a day
 
2011-05-03 03:45:46 PM

TheConvincingSavant: I rank the killing of Osama right up there with the trial and execution of Saddam Hussein.

Both good and right actions.


Oh, look, the Marine Core soldier is back.
 
2011-05-03 03:46:20 PM

adp1215: she is just a stupid ugly coont with a soapbox to stand on. God forbid, the attention whore is out of the spotlight for a day


She turned you down, eh, champ?
 
2011-05-03 03:48:46 PM
Lots of people thought OBL no longer mattered, because so many of them thought he was out of reach. Good thing Obama thought it mattered.
 
2011-05-03 03:53:38 PM

stoli n coke: TheConvincingSavant: I rank the killing of Osama right up there with the trial and execution of Saddam Hussein.

Both good and right actions.

Oh, look, the Marine Core soldier is back.


Nah, that's his wife.
 
2011-05-03 03:56:05 PM
You know who else's death on May 1st was a big deal?
 
2011-05-03 04:00:13 PM

DubyaHater: You know who else's death on May 1st was a big deal?


nein, bitte sagen Sie mir
 
2011-05-03 04:05:51 PM
I don't care what she said/thought. Obama got it done.

Bush said it didn't matter. Bush said it wasn't important. Bush made it no longer a priority of the CIA. Bush disbanded the group whos job was to find him.

Obama has always said it DOES MATTER and he WOULD get him and he DID!
 
2011-05-03 04:06:49 PM

sweetmelissa31: It's huge in a symbolic way, but I doubt it's going to change much of our foreign policy. It's not like the wars are over now.


The Iraq war is pretty much over and the AfPak war will be soon too - they are going to start withdrawing troops in July one way or another. Bin Laden's death helps with that - it's much easier now to say that we've shattered Al Qaeda. Afghanistan and Pakistan can figure out how to deal with the Taliban, that's their regional problem anyway and not one we should be involved with.
 
2011-05-03 04:07:54 PM

DubyaHater: You know who else's death on May 1st was a big deal?


Hitler died on April 30.

bin Laden died on May 2.

Each was announced to the US on May 1.
 
2011-05-03 04:10:37 PM

TheConvincingSavant: I rank the killing of Osama right up there with the trial and execution of Saddam Hussein.

Both good and right actions.


It's just a shame that it was a Seal team that conducted the operation, and not the Core.
 
2011-05-03 04:11:01 PM

Edsel: sweetmelissa31: It's huge in a symbolic way, but I doubt it's going to change much of our foreign policy. It's not like the wars are over now.

The Iraq war is pretty much over and the AfPak war will be soon too - they are going to start withdrawing troops in July one way or another. Bin Laden's death helps with that - it's much easier now to say that we've shattered Al Qaeda. Afghanistan and Pakistan can figure out how to deal with the Taliban, that's their regional problem anyway and not one we should be involved with.


In away I agree I think it does make it easier to wind down Afghainstan because it's a symbolic ending point. There is some symbolic ending moment people can wrap their heads around an say "OBL was killed. Something was accomplished".
 
2011-05-03 04:11:31 PM
Finding and killing Bin Laden didn't make much of a difference back when we were trying to build third-world nations into democracies and eliminate terrorism around the world. We had bigger fish to fry.

However, when we realized that building nations and eliminating terrorism around the world was a pipe dream, finding and killing Bin Laden became important because we needed something to point to as a success so we could end our charade.
 
2011-05-03 04:16:01 PM
So you are saying Nancy Pelosi and George Bush agreed in 2006 about Bin Landen? Cool.
 
2011-05-03 04:18:44 PM

Stile4aly: TheConvincingSavant: I rank the killing of Osama right up there with the trial and execution of Saddam Hussein.

Both good and right actions.

It's just a shame that it was a Seal team that conducted the operation, and not the Core.


Yes it is.
 
2011-05-03 04:24:49 PM

TheConvincingSavant: Stile4aly: TheConvincingSavant: I rank the killing of Osama right up there with the trial and execution of Saddam Hussein.

Both good and right actions.

It's just a shame that it was a Seal team that conducted the operation, and not the Core.

Yes it is.


Learn when you've completely lost and just quit. You're embarrassing.

18.media.tumblr.com
 
2011-05-03 04:46:15 PM
It is hilarious to watch Republicans struggle to find something negative. There is a lot of clinging and flailing about going on these days.

Maybe, but a point could be made that the policies that were kept in place were actually campaigned against heavily by Obama and other Dems, and much of the liberal press agreed with them. Close gitmo,remove military out of foreign nations, etc. The left was dead set against being in multiple wars. Yet here we are.

This shows me that no one who will ever occupy the highest office will truly be left or right politically. They all will be shades of hypocrite grey.
 
2011-05-03 04:50:15 PM

torr5962: It is hilarious to watch Republicans struggle to find something negative. There is a lot of clinging and flailing about going on these days.

Maybe, but a point could be made that the policies that were kept in place were actually campaigned against heavily by Obama and other Dems, and much of the liberal press agreed with them. Close gitmo,remove military out of foreign nations, etc. The left was dead set against being in multiple wars. Yet here we are.

This shows me that no one who will ever occupy the highest office will truly be left or right politically. They all will be shades of hypocrite grey.


Actually, Obama campaigned on moving our guys from Iraq into Afghanistan to focus more on hunting for bin Laden, in Pakistan if necessary. Basically, get the focus back on what we should have been focusing on for 9 years instead of that little 7-year detour in Iraq.

But you knew that.
 
2011-05-03 04:51:19 PM

Jack's Cracker: Then President George Bush, six months after 9/11:

"Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not. We haven't heard from him in a long time. The idea of focusing on one person really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. He's just a person who's been marginalized. ... I don't know where he is. I really just don't spend that much time on him, to be honest with you."


He was right. Osama is one head of the hydra. But it is a big deal, big it changes little.
 
2011-05-03 04:54:27 PM

bartink: TheConvincingSavant: Stile4aly: TheConvincingSavant: I rank the killing of Osama right up there with the trial and execution of Saddam Hussein.

Both good and right actions.

It's just a shame that it was a Seal team that conducted the operation, and not the Core.

Yes it is.

Learn when you've completely lost and just quit. You're embarrassing.


If he was going to learn that, don't you think it would have been 6 or 7 years ago when this meme first started?

Anyway I think its farking hilarious that every single response to him, even now, has the word "core" thrown in.

Respect the power of the hivemind that is the internet. Respect it, and fear it, because it never forgets.
 
2011-05-03 05:11:28 PM
January 15, 2009

Barack Obama: it is no longer essential to kill Osama bin Laden


Link (new window)
 
2011-05-03 05:12:35 PM

gilgigamesh: Anyway I think its farking hilarious that every single response to him, even now, has the word "core" thrown in.




We even have the reverse meme version of it.
 
2011-05-03 05:15:09 PM

gilgigamesh: bartink: TheConvincingSavant: Stile4aly: TheConvincingSavant: I rank the killing of Osama right up there with the trial and execution of Saddam Hussein.

Both good and right actions.

It's just a shame that it was a Seal team that conducted the operation, and not the Core.

Yes it is.

Learn when you've completely lost and just quit. You're embarrassing.

If he was going to learn that, don't you think it would have been 6 or 7 years ago when this meme first started?

Anyway I think its farking hilarious that every single response to him, even now, has the word "core" thrown in.

Respect the power of the hivemind that is the internet. Respect it, and fear it, because it never forgets.


The internet is like a tattoo. If you're a dumbass about it, it'll haunt you forever.
 
2011-05-03 05:22:01 PM
"Perhaps in killing Osama bin Laden, and with him a key source of American insecurity, we are being shown by our reactions that our increasingly ugly political divide is becoming more of a threat to our national security than Osama bin Laden ever was."
 
2011-05-03 05:24:56 PM
2006: Nancy Pelosi is huge.
2011: Nancy Pelosi doesn't matter
 
2011-05-03 05:25:54 PM
Roland hits it out of the park, end thread.
 
2011-05-03 05:27:36 PM

hasty ambush: January 15, 2009

Barack Obama: it is no longer essential to kill Osama bin Laden

Link (new window)


I spoke too soon. This made the thread worth it. Thanks.
 
2011-05-03 05:29:12 PM

apeiron242: Jack's Cracker: Then President George Bush, six months after 9/11:

"Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not. We haven't heard from him in a long time. The idea of focusing on one person really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. He's just a person who's been marginalized. ... I don't know where he is. I really just don't spend that much time on him, to be honest with you."

He was right. Osama is one head of the hydra. But it is a big deal, big it changes little.


The Tactical Irrelevance of Osama bin Laden's Death
(new window)
 
2011-05-03 05:33:25 PM

IXI Jim IXI: 2006: Nancy Pelosi is huge.
2011: Nancy Pelosi doesn't matter




Nancy Pelosi has HUGE boobs


Which is nice.
 
2011-05-03 05:39:26 PM

gilgigamesh: bartink: TheConvincingSavant: Stile4aly: TheConvincingSavant: I rank the killing of Osama right up there with the trial and execution of Saddam Hussein.

Both good and right actions.

It's just a shame that it was a Seal team that conducted the operation, and not the Core.

Yes it is.

Learn when you've completely lost and just quit. You're embarrassing.

If he was going to learn that, don't you think it would have been 6 or 7 years ago when this meme first started?

Anyway I think its farking hilarious that every single response to him, even now, has the word "core" thrown in.

Respect the power of the hivemind that is the internet. Respect it, and fear it, because it never forgets.


Hiveminds may not forget, but they aren't exactly accurate either. Nevertheless, this particular hivemind has made me invincible to the ignore button. And for that, I am grateful.
 
2011-05-03 05:42:38 PM

hasty ambush: apeiron242: Jack's Cracker: Then President George Bush, six months after 9/11:

"Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not. We haven't heard from him in a long time. The idea of focusing on one person really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. He's just a person who's been marginalized. ... I don't know where he is. I really just don't spend that much time on him, to be honest with you."

He was right. Osama is one head of the hydra. But it is a big deal, big it changes little.

The Tactical Irrelevance of Osama bin Laden's Death
(new window)


What must it be like to be you right now? To seethe with such hatred for the black, legitimate U.S. citizen president that you can't even acknowledge and enjoy the strategic victory Obama just won for the country? I feel sad for you, truly. You could join the patriots of this country in celebrating this victory. You're certainly invited. But you have to first let go of your anger.
 
2011-05-03 05:49:43 PM

TheConvincingSavant: Hiveminds may not forget, but they aren't exactly accurate either. Nevertheless, this particular hivemind has made me invincible to the ignore button. And for that, I am grateful.


Like that stain that won't wash out of your jizz sock. You must be so proud.
 
2011-05-03 05:53:49 PM

TheConvincingSavant: Nevertheless, this particular hivemind has made me invincible to the ignore button. Unfortunately, I am still susceptible to being misquoted. And it's a good thing that no one ever goes and reads Fark thread #715637 where I blame my wife for temporarily using my account to post stupid things.


You will never be on my ignore list as long as you keep posting stupid stuff like this.
 
2011-05-03 06:04:16 PM
I honestly believe this Marine Core soldier enjoys being thrashed in these forums, a form of internet S&M if you will.
 
2011-05-03 06:05:45 PM

captain_heroic44: hasty ambush: apeiron242: Jack's Cracker: Then President George Bush, six months after 9/11:

"Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not. We haven't heard from him in a long time. The idea of focusing on one person really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. He's just a person who's been marginalized. ... I don't know where he is. I really just don't spend that much time on him, to be honest with you."

He was right. Osama is one head of the hydra. But it is a big deal, big it changes little.

The Tactical Irrelevance of Osama bin Laden's Death
(new window)

What must it be like to be you right now? To seethe with such hatred for the black, legitimate U.S. citizen president that you can't even acknowledge and enjoy the strategic victory Obama just won for the country? I feel sad for you, truly. You could join the patriots of this country in celebrating this victory. You're certainly invited. But you have to first let go of your anger.


Wow. what must it be like to be you right now. The killing of Bin Laden is a good thing, as was the killing of Saddam and as would be the removal of Gadaffi. But it must be kept in perspective. The WOT is not over by a long shot. It is sort of like celebrating the US successfull shooting down/killing Admiral Yamamoto during WWII. There was still a lot of war left.


Obama is to be applauded on taking this action. It was gut check to be frank that I did not think his Admistration had in it. Had it gone wrong ( think BlackHawk Down or Desert One) he would be a one term President. A less risky move would have been an airstrike, that would have given us less intell and alwasy left open questions as to if Bin laden was really dead. As it is you are still going to have to deal with the tin foil hat/photoshop/birther types.

I do not like Obama but I am willing to give credit where credit is due He made a good call.

But it is, at best, disingenuous when he or Bush say that killing Bin Laden was his top priority. To have concentrated on one person would leave us short of resources to counter threats from other quarters.
 
2011-05-03 06:10:12 PM

TheConvincingSavant: gilgigamesh: bartink: TheConvincingSavant: Stile4aly: TheConvincingSavant: I rank the killing of Osama right up there with the trial and execution of Saddam Hussein.

Both good and right actions.

It's just a shame that it was a Seal team that conducted the operation, and not the Core.

Yes it is.

Learn when you've completely lost and just quit. You're embarrassing.

If he was going to learn that, don't you think it would have been 6 or 7 years ago when this meme first started?

Anyway I think its farking hilarious that every single response to him, even now, has the word "core" thrown in.

Respect the power of the hivemind that is the internet. Respect it, and fear it, because it never forgets.

Hiveminds may not forget, but they aren't exactly accurate either. Nevertheless, this particular hivemind has made me invincible to the ignore button. And for that, I am grateful.


Wife like typing detected.
 
2011-05-03 06:46:57 PM

YoMammaObama: hasty ambush: January 15, 2009

Barack Obama: it is no longer essential to kill Osama bin Laden

Link (new window)

I spoke too soon. This made the thread worth it. Thanks.


And who did it? Yeah, that's right, you feel the tears coming, let them go.
 
2011-05-03 06:48:25 PM

hasty ambush: I do not like Obama but I am willing to give credit where credit is due He made a good call.


Which must be why you're doing everything to downplay its significance.


But it is, at best, disingenuous when he or Bush say that killing Bin Laden was his top priority. To have concentrated on one person would leave us short of resources to counter threats from other quarters.


Nah. Obama made it a top priority after Bush de-prioritized it. That's because Obama and the Democrats are tougher on terrorism than the Republicans. McCain was too chickensh*t to even say he'd be willing to go it alone to catch bin Laden if he had to. But not Obama. Obama showed leadership, and got the bad guy.

Nobody as far as I know has claimed this ends anything. But it's a big deal. It's a big morale booster for the US. It's a big morale damper for the terrorists.
 
2011-05-03 06:53:50 PM

captain_heroic44: hasty ambush: I do not like Obama but I am willing to give credit where credit is due He made a good call.

Which must be why you're doing everything to downplay its significance.


But it is, at best, disingenuous when he or Bush say that killing Bin Laden was his top priority. To have concentrated on one person would leave us short of resources to counter threats from other quarters.

Nah. Obama made it a top priority after Bush de-prioritized it. That's because Obama and the Democrats are tougher on terrorism than the Republicans. McCain was too chickensh*t to even say he'd be willing to go it alone to catch bin Laden if he had to. But not Obama. Obama showed leadership, and got the bad guy.

Nobody as far as I know has claimed this ends anything. But it's a big deal. It's a big morale booster for the US. It's a big morale damper for the terrorists.


I don't downplay it but I put in perspective. We have had the actual 9-11 matermind in custody for years.

As for Obama and his priorites:

From The Times January 15, 2009

Barack Obama: it is no longer essential to kill Osama bin Laden

Link (new window)
 
2011-05-03 07:01:54 PM

hasty ambush: captain_heroic44: hasty ambush: I do not like Obama but I am willing to give credit where credit is due He made a good call.

Which must be why you're doing everything to downplay its significance.


But it is, at best, disingenuous when he or Bush say that killing Bin Laden was his top priority. To have concentrated on one person would leave us short of resources to counter threats from other quarters.

Nah. Obama made it a top priority after Bush de-prioritized it. That's because Obama and the Democrats are tougher on terrorism than the Republicans. McCain was too chickensh*t to even say he'd be willing to go it alone to catch bin Laden if he had to. But not Obama. Obama showed leadership, and got the bad guy.

Nobody as far as I know has claimed this ends anything. But it's a big deal. It's a big morale booster for the US. It's a big morale damper for the terrorists.

I don't downplay it but I put in perspective. We have had the actual 9-11 matermind in custody for years.

As for Obama and his priorites:

From The Times January 15, 2009

Barack Obama: it is no longer essential to kill Osama bin Laden

Link (new window)


Wow. An article so biased it characterizes Bush's policy as "dead or alive," failing to even mention that Bush gave up the search after six months.

Great source.

Did I say great source? I meant to say sh*tty source. Sorry.

Of course Obama didn't tell people he was making Osama his top priority, numnutz. He was playing it cool, to lull him into a false sense of security.
 
2011-05-03 07:17:36 PM
That woman is clinically retarded.

Every time she thinks, she weakens the nation.

/too bad both sides can't agree on a short list to banish and never speak of again.
//but we get to keep one whackjob, just for entertainment purposes.
 
2011-05-03 07:32:34 PM
But what does Tip O'Neil think about it!
 
2011-05-03 07:48:10 PM
Killing him isn't that big in the scheme of things. other than symbolic. but the computers and other things they got could be very big.
 
2011-05-03 07:51:14 PM
I wish this stupid coont would just GTFO and DIAF.

/srsly
 
2011-05-03 07:54:23 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: You guys can biatch about Pelosi all you want and until the demographics of her district changes completely or she runs for a different office, you're wasting your energy.


Yeah she's a God to all those left-wing nutjobs in San Francisco.

/California needs to either secede from the Union or fall into the ocean. It wouldn't be missed.
 
2011-05-03 08:17:30 PM

RolandGunner: cmunic8r99: She's right on both counts, actually.

In the grand scheme of the GWOT or whatever it's called these days, it doesn't really matter. The fact, however, killing the mastermind of the 9/11 (and other) attacks is huge.

/drtfa



You do realize that you have just stated the exact opposite of what she said


No, I didn't. Our did you miss the part about drtfa?
 
2011-05-04 06:26:45 AM

Superevil: President Bush, 2001: Killing Osama is our top priority
President Bush, 2008: Osama who?


Obama 2009: I'll keep spending money until I think we should stop
Obama 2011: About that budget deficit....
 
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