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(USA Today)   Sony: Oh, hai guize. Look, you know how we said that 77 million of your accounts got hacked? Yeah, well, kinda add 25 million more to that   (usatoday.com) divider line 138
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2011-05-03 12:21:58 PM

the_real_muppet: The way I understand it, PSN was hacked because the authentication/authorization was handled CLIENT SIDE in the firmware to get onto the developer network with god-level access to everything. This is security 101, you never trust the client. Sony was arrogant and incompetent and they thought their devices couldn't be cracked. Now that they have been, they're crapping their pants.

The course of this PSN story is REMARKABLY similar to the course of the Fukushima story in terms of the information being released by the parties involved.

"Oh, there's no problem."

"OK, there is a problem, but it's a small problem."

"OK, it's a bigger problem than we thought, but we've almost solved it."

"OK it's an enormous problem and we have no idea what we're going to do."


...
SOE has nothing to do with Playstation though, if anything, the fact that SOE was hacked should convince more people that GeoHotz and Anonymous got nothing to do with the attack.
 
2011-05-03 12:24:34 PM

the_real_muppet: The way I understand it, PSN was hacked because the authentication/authorization was handled CLIENT SIDE in the firmware to get onto the developer network with god-level access to everything. This is security 101, you never trust the client. Sony was arrogant and incompetent and they thought their devices couldn't be cracked. Now that they have been, they're crapping their pants.

The course of this PSN story is REMARKABLY similar to the course of the Fukushima story in terms of the information being released by the parties involved.

"Oh, there's no problem."

"OK, there is a problem, but it's a small problem."

"OK, it's a bigger problem than we thought, but we've almost solved it."

"OK it's an enormous problem and we have no idea what we're going to do."


Cultural thing. Japanese never admit weakness. Had they been more westernized they would've admitted the hack up front and played the victim card and made sure the story was the evil hacking thieves, instead they played everything so close to the vest that western users are mad at their lack of openness and communication.
 
2011-05-03 12:29:54 PM
Don't own a PS3, but I did buy the release of FFVII for my PSP (original model - still use it occasionally). That's the only thing I've ever bought from PSN, think it was about a year or so ago.

Got the email that my account had been compromised last week, but my address & CC info have both changed significantly since then, so hopefully it won't matter much. Let my CC company know anyway, and now they are watching my account more closely (or so they tell me).

Sony = epic fail
Farking network security, how does it work?
 
2011-05-03 12:30:14 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2011-05-03 12:31:02 PM

Masso: the_real_muppet: The way I understand it, PSN was hacked because the authentication/authorization was handled CLIENT SIDE in the firmware to get onto the developer network with god-level access to everything. This is security 101, you never trust the client. Sony was arrogant and incompetent and they thought their devices couldn't be cracked. Now that they have been, they're crapping their pants.

The course of this PSN story is REMARKABLY similar to the course of the Fukushima story in terms of the information being released by the parties involved.

"Oh, there's no problem."

"OK, there is a problem, but it's a small problem."

"OK, it's a bigger problem than we thought, but we've almost solved it."

"OK it's an enormous problem and we have no idea what we're going to do."

...
SOE has nothing to do with Playstation though, if anything, the fact that SOE was hacked should convince more people that GeoHotz and Anonymous got nothing to do with the attack.


yeah how could anyone believe that Sony Online Entertainment and the Sony PS3 have aanything to do with one another? Thats crazytalk
 
2011-05-03 12:33:44 PM

Saborlas: Wow. This just keeps getting worse.

My condolences to my Sony-gamer brethren. If this happened to my Xbox Live account, I'd be pissed.


Luckily, I just upgraded my PC, so I don't really care.

But yeah, if all I had was just my PS3, still, I'd be targeting Sony with airstrikes right now.
 
2011-05-03 12:34:23 PM
James F. Campbell

lol
 
2011-05-03 12:34:35 PM
I hope I didn't enter in any credit card info for the PSN. I don't remember doing it, but I do remember just putting in my home state and country... that might be it.

/Damn Sony, for all the systems sold and money pouring in, you really are still retarded.
 
2011-05-03 12:34:49 PM

the_real_muppet: The way I understand it, PSN was hacked because the authentication/authorization was handled CLIENT SIDE in the firmware to get onto the developer network with god-level access to everything. This is security 101, you never trust the client. Sony was arrogant and incompetent and they thought their devices couldn't be cracked. Now that they have been, they're crapping their pants.

The course of this PSN story is REMARKABLY similar to the course of the Fukushima story in terms of the information being released by the parties involved.

"Oh, there's no problem."

"OK, there is a problem, but it's a small problem."

"OK, it's a bigger problem than we thought, but we've almost solved it."

"OK it's an enormous problem and we have no idea what we're going to do."


They were fine for many years, till someone released their encryption keys. That would screw most businesses over.

I mean hell, get ahold of the RSA keys for verisign and you effectively own the internet.
 
2011-05-03 12:37:31 PM

Treygreen13: I find it hard to believe that there were 102 million Playstation Network subscribers.


There isn't. 70 million was for PSN, and the rest were Sony online entertainment, aka the everquest folks. Their share some common system architecture, and the same breach that effected one effected the other.
 
2011-05-03 12:38:30 PM
I don't care about my personal info being leaked, I just want to be able to get online and register my steam account so I can get Portal 2 on my computer.

/froze my credit like 5 years ago, so I laugh at the suckers who try to do anything with my info
 
2011-05-03 12:40:17 PM

Doran: Saborlas: Wow. This just keeps getting worse.

My condolences to my Sony-gamer brethren. If this happened to my Xbox Live account, I'd be pissed.

Luckily, I just upgraded my PC, so I don't really care.

But yeah, if all I had was just my PS3, still, I'd be targeting Sony with airstrikes right now.


Unless those airstrikes dropped secure network infrastructure instead of bombs, you'd be equally stuck in your mom's basement
 
2011-05-03 12:40:41 PM

Antimatter: They were fine for many years, till someone released their encryption keys. That would screw most businesses over.

I mean hell, get ahold of the RSA keys for verisign and you effectively own the internet.


They were fine for many years because their security was through obscurity. It was just a matter of time.

Your RSA comment is not really true. High security networks that require those keyring dongles are used only as a second factor authorization, you still need a user name and password. In the case of SSL, you'd have to poison DNS which is feasible but not a cakewalk.

IANA Security Expert.
 
2011-05-03 12:44:00 PM

PghThermal: DarnoKonrad: glad I never singed up. Seriously considered it, as the games harass you about it.



It's a CIA cover up story. How do you think they caught Bin Laden.


/Osama loves him some WoW


Um, I must point out that you can't play... oh, nevermind.

/you sound old, dumb, or a women.
 
2011-05-03 12:45:31 PM

Chewlies Gum Representative: /froze my credit like 5 years ago, so I laugh at the suckers who try to do anything with my info


You think it would be hard to unfreeze your credit if someone had enough to steal your identity in the first place?
 
2011-05-03 12:46:40 PM

LordOfThePings: Saborlas: My condolences to my Sony-gamer brethren. If this happened to my Xbox Live account, I'd be pissed.

You're supposed to support your tribe and make fun of the other tribe. Do it right.



Unless he's an idort.

I used to be, but my xbox broke for the 3rd time so I'm through with those pieces of trash.
 
2011-05-03 12:48:44 PM

Boogerballs: Saborlas: Wow. This just keeps getting worse.

My condolences to my Sony-gamer brethren. If this happened to my Xbox Live account, I'd be pissed.

yes because you were duped into paying for it, thats the only reason im not too pissed



You get what you pay for.
 
2011-05-03 12:48:53 PM
www.starmarsonline.com

Kevin Butler, VP of the Farking Up Left-and-Right Division
 
2011-05-03 12:49:34 PM
It is times like these when I consider if I should have really put my money into an upgraded computer.
 
2011-05-03 12:49:55 PM

vodka: Chewlies Gum Representative: /froze my credit like 5 years ago, so I laugh at the suckers who try to do anything with my info

You think it would be hard to unfreeze your credit if someone had enough to steal your identity in the first place?


Considering that the only way to unfreeze it is with three ridiculously long pin numbers that I have stored in a safe deposit box, yes I do think it would be hard.
 
2011-05-03 12:50:14 PM
People don't realize that most of this information is kept by every corporation in plain text that can be hacked, or in their unsecure facebook profile. Really people are making a mountain out of a molehill, and really anyone who got their information stole it's their own fault. They could've used fake info and used a PSN card but they took the lazy way. The hackers involved owe everone an apology. Sony shouldn't be held accountable, they're known for customer satisfaction and security. I for one trust them and plan on listing my credit card on their service once it is back up again, and I'd suggest all other supporters to do the same.
 
2011-05-03 12:51:41 PM
"Old and Hacked: Sony Playstation Network. New and Hacked: Sony Online Entertainment portal"

/submitted yesterday, you know, the day the info actually came out :P
 
2011-05-03 12:52:02 PM
double xp/aa weekends incoming.


Hope I have uncapped toons to take advantage of it.


/nagafen > your bluebie server
 
2011-05-03 12:52:35 PM

Babboonrash: LaurenAguilera: I think it's hilarious that the PSN is still down... and SOCOM4 was just released.

The commercials don't say anything about WHEN you will be able to play this new $60 game after you purchase it... as it's all online play, who the hell knows?

was thinking the same thing...

*checks profile*
*cough... choke... swallows gum...*
2nd photo... that is the most awesomely massive display of sponge bob that I have seen in long time!

/fantastic missiles BTW


Thanks. That's my AW shot.

Also it gets very boring on a long deployment in a shiatty country.


I'm grateful that my Netflix still works. Even though it asks me to log in to PSN three times before I reach the menu... and helpfully tells me that the PSN is undergoing maintenance. Thanks, guy! I had no idea.
 
2011-05-03 12:53:37 PM

Antimatter: the_real_muppet: The way I understand it, PSN was hacked because the authentication/authorization was handled CLIENT SIDE in the firmware to get onto the developer network with god-level access to everything. This is security 101, you never trust the client. Sony was arrogant and incompetent and they thought their devices couldn't be cracked. Now that they have been, they're crapping their pants.

The course of this PSN story is REMARKABLY similar to the course of the Fukushima story in terms of the information being released by the parties involved.

"Oh, there's no problem."

"OK, there is a problem, but it's a small problem."

"OK, it's a bigger problem than we thought, but we've almost solved it."

"OK it's an enormous problem and we have no idea what we're going to do."

They were fine for many years, till someone released their encryption keys. That would screw most businesses over.

I mean hell, get ahold of the RSA keys for verisign and you effectively own the internet.


Pretty much this. While it's a big black eye for Sony, the repercussions of the events are very slim. Sure, 77 million accounts were hacked, but only around 10 million had any CC info in them at all. The 25 million SOE accounts were from 2007, and most if not all info back then will be outdated.

I'm annoyed that Sony didn't fix their security until it became an annoyance to their customers. That's on their head, and I'm not happy with it, but Sony's no different than any other corporation. Remember how many horrid Windows XP viruses came out until Microsoft finally got off their asses and started closing up semi-truck-sized openings in their security?

Sony's no good at security, and the hacks only forced Sony to do something about it: either bulk up security or contract it out to a company who knows security well. Much like Microsoft, they'll learn their lesson, it'll blow over, and most of the outraged consumers will forget about it.
 
2011-05-03 12:53:51 PM

BadAdviceGuy: People don't realize that most of this information is kept by every corporation in plain text that can be hacked, or in their unsecure facebook profile. Really people are making a mountain out of a molehill, and really anyone who got their information stole it's their own fault. They could've used fake info and used a PSN card but they took the lazy way. The hackers involved owe everone an apology. Sony shouldn't be held accountable, they're known for customer satisfaction and security. I for one trust them and plan on listing my credit card on their service once it is back up again, and I'd suggest all other supporters to do the same.


I'm not blaming Sony for getting hacked in the first place. I'm blaming Sony for acting like dicks about it.

I read on Gawker that they were just acting "Japanese". Oh, nice. Like that should make me feel better?

I'll still keep my credit card info on PSN too (changed, obviously) because I like playing my games, but just because Sony isn't at fault doesn't give me the right, as a customer, to not be rightfully peeved.
 
2011-05-03 12:54:48 PM

hitlo58: PghThermal: DarnoKonrad: glad I never singed up. Seriously considered it, as the games harass you about it.



It's a CIA cover up story. How do you think they caught Bin Laden.


/Osama loves him some WoW

Um, I must point out that you can't play... oh, nevermind.

/you sound old, dumb, or a women.




VERY old, possibly dumb, not a woman

However: proud to not understand your game/cartoon/movie/TV memes.


/also fat
 
2011-05-03 12:55:02 PM
Saborlas: My condolences to my Sony-gamer brethren. If this happened to my Xbox Live account, I'd be pissed.

This is SOE (station), affects a lot of people who don't even have a PS2/PS3.

Planetside, Everquest, MTG Online, DCU Online ...
 
2011-05-03 12:55:25 PM

BadAdviceGuy: People don't realize that most of this information is kept by every corporation in plain text that can be hacked, or in their unsecure facebook profile. Really people are making a mountain out of a molehill, and really anyone who got their information stole it's their own fault. They could've used fake info and used a PSN card but they took the lazy way. The hackers involved owe everone an apology. Sony shouldn't be held accountable, they're known for customer satisfaction and security. I for one trust them and plan on listing my credit card on their service once it is back up again, and I'd suggest all other supporters to do the same.


What planet have you been living on? On this one, Sony's known for treating it's customer base like crap and ruining everything they touch. Then again, my opinion of them is filtered through MMOs they've been involved with, and their record there is particularly abominable.
 
2011-05-03 12:55:47 PM

hitlo58: PghThermal: DarnoKonrad: glad I never singed up. Seriously considered it, as the games harass you about it.



It's a CIA cover up story. How do you think they caught Bin Laden.


/Osama loves him some WoW

Um, I must point out that you can't play... oh, nevermind.

/you sound old, dumb, or a women.


As a lady who plays WoW, I resent your comment. I was with you on counts one and two, brah... but three? Ah heel nah.
 
2011-05-03 12:59:25 PM

LaurenAguilera:

As a lady who plays WoW, I resent your comment. I was with you on counts one and two, brah... but three? Ah heel nah.


I call shenanigans. Everyone knows there are no hot women playing WoW.
 
2011-05-03 01:01:40 PM

Kyndig: LaurenAguilera:

As a lady who plays WoW, I resent your comment. I was with you on counts one and two, brah... but three? Ah heel nah.

I call shenanigans. Everyone knows there are no hot women playing WoW.


I will be. As soon as the servers are back up. Then I'll be all up in the realms. Goin' to Dalaran. Readin' them books for my 'chieve. Biatch. :)
 
2011-05-03 01:07:13 PM

BadAdviceGuy: People don't realize that most of this information is kept by every corporation in plain text that can be hacked, or in their unsecure facebook profile. Really people are making a mountain out of a molehill, and really anyone who got their information stole it's their own fault. They could've used fake info and used a PSN card but they took the lazy way. The hackers involved owe everone an apology. Sony shouldn't be held accountable, they're known for customer satisfaction and security. I for one trust them and plan on listing my credit card on their service once it is back up again, and I'd suggest all other supporters to do the same.


At first I thought you were being serious, then I saw your name and I LOLed
 
2011-05-03 01:10:03 PM
Sorry for all the gamerz who are going without their entertainment, but I have friends who are developers that are going without income because their market is closed.

tl;dr: "let's play somefin' else" vs "I'm going broke"
 
2011-05-03 01:12:50 PM

Doran: m not blaming Sony for getting hacked in the first place.


Well.... that was my initial thought too. "Shiat happens". I was mad primarily because of their slow response.

However, the longer this goes on, and the more details that emerge, the more it looks like Sony has no farking idea what is on their own systems, what those systems do, or what, if any, security measures were in place at any given point in those systems.

I had been wavering about whether or not to continue with my PS3/PSN after this was cleared up (while leaning toward "no").... but not anymore. The more that comes out about this the more obvious it becomes that Sony has been running their shiat by the skin of their teeth and that's not something I want to be a part of.
 
2011-05-03 01:14:03 PM

Doran: I read on Gawker that they were just acting "Japanese". Oh, nice. Like that should make me feel better?

I'll still keep my credit card info on PSN too (changed, obviously) because I like playing my games, but just because Sony isn't at fault doesn't give me the right, as a customer, to not be rightfully peeved


Gawker said they were acting Japanese so that you might take a larger worldview, Kaz bowed low in deference to the customers! He humbled himself in front of the world.

Getting angry about how a company deals with a problem is a very American way of handling the situation.
 
2011-05-03 01:19:11 PM
At least Netflix had the presence of mind to make their service not DEPENDENT on being able to connect to PSN.

THAT I would've ben pissed about.
 
2011-05-03 01:19:48 PM

BadAdviceGuy: Doran: I read on Gawker that they were just acting "Japanese". Oh, nice. Like that should make me feel better?

I'll still keep my credit card info on PSN too (changed, obviously) because I like playing my games, but just because Sony isn't at fault doesn't give me the right, as a customer, to not be rightfully peeved

Gawker said they were acting Japanese so that you might take a larger worldview, Kaz bowed low in deference to the customers! He humbled himself in front of the world.

Getting angry about how a company deals with a problem is a very American way of handling the situation.


True, and I know that there are different ways a company can handle such a problem. I, in my opinion, don't like how Sony handled it. I think it speaks to how they look at their customers.
 
2011-05-03 01:23:58 PM

Kyndig: BadAdviceGuy: People don't realize that most of this information is kept by every corporation in plain text that can be hacked, or in their unsecure facebook profile. Really people are making a mountain out of a molehill, and really anyone who got their information stole it's their own fault. They could've used fake info and used a PSN card but they took the lazy way. The hackers involved owe everone an apology. Sony shouldn't be held accountable, they're known for customer satisfaction and security. I for one trust them and plan on listing my credit card on their service once it is back up again, and I'd suggest all other supporters to do the same.

What planet have you been living on? On this one, Sony's known for treating it's customer base like crap and ruining everything they touch. Then again, my opinion of them is filtered through MMOs they've been involved with, and their record there is particularly abominable.


dude, look at his name and think about his post for a second.
 
2011-05-03 01:25:12 PM
Good thing I bought an Xbox instead. Dodged a bullet on that one.
 
2011-05-03 01:30:21 PM
Wait EverQuest accounts?

From, like, before 9/11?
 
2011-05-03 01:32:16 PM

BadAdviceGuy: People don't realize that most of this information is kept by every corporation in plain text that can be hacked, or in their unsecure facebook profile. Really people are making a mountain out of a molehill, and really anyone who got their information stole it's their own fault. They could've used fake info and used a PSN card but they took the lazy way. The hackers involved owe everone an apology. Sony shouldn't be held accountable, they're known for customer satisfaction and security. I for one trust them and plan on listing my credit card on their service once it is back up again, and I'd suggest all other supporters to do the same.


I am going to have to agree with this. Sony™ is an exceptional company that makes exceptional gaming products such as the Sony PlayStation 3™. They offer products for all types of gamers, including the Uncharted™ series and also feature PlayStation Move™ for casual and social gamers. The problem does not lie in Sony™, makers of the Sony PlayStation 3™. The problem is George Hotz™ and his hacker army. They do not care about the enjoyment that the PlayStation Network™ brings to millions of consumers on a weekly basis. They only care about getting the top score on the PlayStation Leaderboards™. They only care about ruining matches of KillZone 3™ on the PlayStation Network™. Sony™ does not deserve this. They simply wanted to bring great goods to consumers at a low price and the hackers tried to bring Sony™ down. I do not see how any rational person could claim that Sony™ is at fault here.
 
2011-05-03 01:36:13 PM
Bleh. Already canceled the CC and now I suppose all I can do is watch my accounts and pray. I'll likely still play MLB the Show and maybe roam around Red Dead Redemption occasionally but beyond that I think I am done. I doubt I'll buy any next gen system. Shedding a tear for growing up, finally.
 
2011-05-03 01:36:20 PM

Digitalstrange: HotWingConspiracy: Oy. I'm literally never buying from the Sony store ever again. I only got the damn PS3 to play Borderlands with my friends, and I haven't touched it since. But I did buy some of the DLC, so they have my card info.

I thought I'd have more fun with the system, but I just find the 360 to be better in every meaningful measure.

So you weren't really ever planning to buy from them again but now you REALLY won't buy from them again?

Sony is really scared now.


I never said that. They do have decent exclusive titles from time to time.

And yes, businesses should be scared when they fark up so hard that people aren't confident in them enough to give them money. Especially those in their key demo.
 
2011-05-03 01:39:00 PM

Masso:

... Nothing will ever capture the first EQ magic.
Sigh.


True 'dat. One of my guys is still bound in the Firepot room. I think about him every now and then, stuck in that little room under the sea for all eternity. Instant transport to anywhere in the EQ world, but no Me there to let him do it. Poor little fella.

I believe he was (is?) a cleric.

/wipes tear
 
2011-05-03 01:40:21 PM

Jeng: Treygreen13: I find it hard to believe that there were 102 million Playstation Network subscribers.

I'm amazed that out of all the MMO's that SOE administrates they mention Everquest.

Is it still one of their most popular titles?

Do their other titles just suck that bad?


Many EQ players have been at it for a decade. They will need a lot of support when thier lives vanish for a few weeks.

On the other hand, this problem pales in comparison to the hazards caused by Luclin release or the March 2003 collision detection change.

/Playing an SOE MMO is like dating a sadist. No matter how good it feels at the moment, the bruises hurt later.
 
2011-05-03 01:40:30 PM

HotWingConspiracy: I never said that. They do have decent exclusive titles from time to time.

And yes, businesses should be scared when they fark up so hard that people aren't confident in them enough to give them money. Especially those in their key demo.


I disagree with this. Sony™ deserves our hard-earned money. This was not their fault. This was George Hotz™ and his hacker army. Let me give you an example: Lets say a guy named, oh, say, Adolf Hitler™, attacks, oh, say, Poland™, in September of 1939. In doing so, he compromises the PoleStation Network™. Is that supposed to be Poland™'s fault? Should Poland™ be responsible for the damages? Of course not! George Hotz™ is the spitting image of Adolf Hitler™, in this neutral observer's opinion. Sony™ is only capable of bringing great PlayStation™ games to the public at reasonable prices. They could not have anticipated a hacker blitzkrieg by George Hotz and the Hackettes™.
 
2011-05-03 01:55:36 PM

BadAdviceGuy: People don't realize that most of this information is kept by every corporation in plain text that can be hacked, or in their unsecure facebook profile. Really people are making a mountain out of a molehill, and really anyone who got their information stole it's their own fault. They could've used fake info and used a PSN card but they took the lazy way. The hackers involved owe everone an apology. Sony shouldn't be held accountable, they're known for customer satisfaction and security. I for one trust them and plan on listing my credit card on their service once it is back up again, and I'd suggest all other supporters to do the same.


So beautiful I almost teared up, even more so when you got bites. I really love it when you live up to your name so perfectly.
 
2011-05-03 02:10:40 PM
TimeWaste: because it's a freaking video game

That you payed for. And can't play (or at least can't play all of it). Does it require a full blown hissy fit? No. But it's something worth getting at least a little angry over.
 
2011-05-03 02:13:17 PM

Mike_LowELL: HotWingConspiracy: I never said that. They do have decent exclusive titles from time to time.

And yes, businesses should be scared when they fark up so hard that people aren't confident in them enough to give them money. Especially those in their key demo.

I disagree with this. Sony™ deserves our hard-earned money. This was not their fault. This was George Hotz™ and his hacker army. Let me give you an example: Lets say a guy named, oh, say, Adolf Hitler™, attacks, oh, say, Poland™, in September of 1939. In doing so, he compromises the PoleStation Network™. Is that supposed to be Poland™'s fault? Should Poland™ be responsible for the damages? Of course not! George Hotz™ is the spitting image of Adolf Hitler™, in this neutral observer's opinion. Sony™ is only capable of bringing great PlayStation™ games to the public at reasonable prices. They could not have anticipated a hacker blitzkrieg by George Hotz and the Hackettes™.


I never thought about it that way. I'm just going to shoot an envelope full of cash to their accounting department in the hopes that they can us it to fight off the Nazis in the future.
 
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