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2011-05-02 04:40:27 PM

trappedspirit: tulpen: You think that AL QUEDA, the white house, the military, etc. all conspiring together is analogous in some way to the ability of various U.S. inspection, immigration and security departments coming together post-09/11?? Um, no.


Do you know what an analogy is? The Department of Homeland Security is a conspiracy by definition.


Dog Welder: Theory 1: I'm pretty sure if OBL has been "dead for years" the G.W. Bush would have trotted his corpse out to take the heat off the whole "no WMDs in Iraq" fiasco. So that one doesn't wash.


This wasn't a decision made by Obama. Someone decided that it was time to present Obama with some "updated" recon report and status report. Obama then decided to act on that phony info and start practicing his speech. G.W. Bush was intentionally left completely out of the loop.


Theory 2: So, Al Qaeda is working WITH the U.S. military industrial complex? That one's even dumber than the first.

Al Qaeda exists on paper only. You guys are really lacking in the imagination department if you can't see how this works.


they believe what the tv tells them to believe. they have no knowledge of facts.
 
2011-05-02 04:40:48 PM

Farking Canuck: Dansker: Farker T: Make the corpse available for thorough examination by a wide variety of internationally know and respected experts - including those whose agendas may not be aligned with those of the administration.

So, I'll ask for the third time: Who would you trust to make that examination?

They will never trust anything ... just like the long form birth certificate. They will ask and ask and, if someone gives them what they ask for, they will move the goalposts.



Who is this illusive "they" you speak of?

Heretics?

Did you trust BushCo when they implied that Saddam Hussein was involved in 9-11, and ASSURED us that they had Weapons of Mass Destruction?
 
2011-05-02 04:41:14 PM

Farker T: From above: "Make the corpse available for thorough examination by a wide variety of internationally know and respected experts - including those whose agendas may not be aligned with those of the administration."


Yes, and, for the fourth time, which expert, specifically, would you trust to identify the corpse as bin Laden?
 
2011-05-02 04:41:43 PM

Farking Canuck: Dansker: Farker T: Make the corpse available for thorough examination by a wide variety of internationally know and respected experts - including those whose agendas may not be aligned with those of the administration.

So, I'll ask for the third time: Who would you trust to make that examination?

They will never trust anything ... just like the long form birth certificate. They will ask and ask and, if someone gives them what they ask for, they will move the goalposts.


just like our govt did with pat tillman's death.
 
2011-05-02 04:42:55 PM

dahmers love zombie: Paging Freep Impact...we need some recon on the situation over in DerpaDerpaLand. Please tell me that their conspiracy hats are firmly affixed and that they now don't believe we killed anyone. Hopefully by the end of today they can widen the rift between themselves and the sane even more.


I love these comments because Fark is by and large no different from the Freepers save that they're politically Left.
 
2011-05-02 04:43:16 PM

Farker T: Dansker: Farker T: Make the corpse available for thorough examination by a wide variety of internationally know and respected experts - including those whose agendas may not be aligned with those of the administration.

So, I'll ask for the third time: Who would you trust to make that examination?


From above: "Make the corpse available for thorough examination by a wide variety of internationally know and respected experts - including those whose agendas may not be aligned with those of the administration."


But that's not likely to happen, is it?

Unless Obama is lying about the 'burial at sea' bit, of course.


You still won't accept it. Conspiracy nuts will latch on the slimmest threads as solid support for their theories but will then turn around and do intellectual back flips to discredit anything that works against their theories.
 
2011-05-02 04:47:53 PM

Kirk's_Toupee: Al Qaeda exists on paper only. You guys are really lacking in the imagination department if you can't see how this works.

they believe what the tv tells them to believe. they have no knowledge of facts.


Wait, lots of "imagination" and "knowledge of facts" are mutually exclusive here. Which is the one I need to believe that Al Qaeda, the white house, etc. are all part of one big conspiracy?
 
2011-05-02 04:48:07 PM

Farking Canuck: You still won't accept it. Conspiracy nuts will latch on the slimmest threads as solid support for their theories but will then turn around and do intellectual back flips to discredit anything that works against their theories.


So do you believe that 19 men from Al Queda hijacked planes and flew them into buildings? If so, you are a conspiracy theorist.
 
2011-05-02 04:50:26 PM

tulpen: Kirk's_Toupee: Al Qaeda exists on paper only. You guys are really lacking in the imagination department if you can't see how this works.

they believe what the tv tells them to believe. they have no knowledge of facts.

Wait, lots of "imagination" and "knowledge of facts" are mutually exclusive here. Which is the one I need to believe that Al Qaeda, the white house, etc. are all part of one big conspiracy?


Well Al queda was a cia creation.
 
2011-05-02 04:52:22 PM

limeyfellow: Grass Hopper:
So bring it home, get it's identity confirmed by an international team to stop the derp, and THEN get rid of the body so it can't be memorialised.

You can't stop the derp. They could have brought them the body in person to the derpster brigade, showed them the DNA analysis, the bloodwork. let them sniff his butt etc etc and it still be a grand conspiracy and what is Obama trying to hide? The same thing happened with the release of Obama's birth certificate and just about everything else. It doesn't matter what the Government does, there always be that 5-10% derp factor in the population.


"Why, this is nothing but a bag of shiat!"
"But it's really great shiat, Mrs. Preske!" G. Tirebiter
 
2011-05-02 04:52:33 PM

Deucednuisance: Farker T: I see that they totally ignored your last post. You can bet that they'll simply attack your link source on this one.

Why reply to the recitation of idiocy?

For instance, William Safire was reporting in 2001 in the New York Times that Bin Laden had kidney disease.

Why bother responding when the claims are so clearly wrong?

(But Prison Planet really is a piece of shiat.)

And a guy named Piecznik? "Peacenik"? Seriously?

And which four Administrations, please. No biography I've yet found for the guy (who's a second-rate noelist who specialises in International Spy Thrillers. He's even co-authored withTom Clancy, in actuality) makes mention of that employment. Odd. Makes one wonder if he was taken out of context while discussion a fictional plotline, doesn't it?



While I neither endorse nor deny the validity of the fellow, it might help your search if you actually spelled the man's name correctly.

Pieczenik


Maybe that will help. :-)
 
2011-05-02 04:57:32 PM

Farking Canuck: Farker T: Dansker: Farker T: Make the corpse available for thorough examination by a wide variety of internationally know and respected experts - including those whose agendas may not be aligned with those of the administration.

So, I'll ask for the third time: Who would you trust to make that examination?


From above: "Make the corpse available for thorough examination by a wide variety of internationally know and respected experts - including those whose agendas may not be aligned with those of the administration."


But that's not likely to happen, is it?

Unless Obama is lying about the 'burial at sea' bit, of course.

You still won't accept it. Conspiracy nuts will latch on the slimmest threads as solid support for their theories but will then turn around and do intellectual back flips to discredit anything that works against their theories.



Like those "Conspiracy nuts" who believe that Osama and the hijackers actually CONSPIRED to attack us on 9-11?
 
2011-05-02 04:58:03 PM

tulpen: Kirk's_Toupee: Al Qaeda exists on paper only. You guys are really lacking in the imagination department if you can't see how this works.

they believe what the tv tells them to believe. they have no knowledge of facts.

Wait, lots of "imagination" and "knowledge of facts" are mutually exclusive here. Which is the one I need to believe that Al Qaeda, the white house, etc. are all part of one big conspiracy?


Al Qaeda's existence as "something we are at war with" is on paper only. Like a script to a bad movie called CNN. There is not an Us v. Them in this case. The only conspiracy is people wanting to get paid and using some semi-patriotic reasoning regarding keeping your sword sharp. Aka, live fire trained troops need battle every generation. Al Qaeda is just a catalyst.
 
2011-05-02 04:58:30 PM

Kirk's_Toupee: tulpen: Kirk's_Toupee: Al Qaeda exists on paper only. You guys are really lacking in the imagination department if you can't see how this works.

they believe what the tv tells them to believe. they have no knowledge of facts.

Wait, lots of "imagination" and "knowledge of facts" are mutually exclusive here. Which is the one I need to believe that Al Qaeda, the white house, etc. are all part of one big conspiracy?

Well Al queda was a cia creation.


Uh, just because the CIA may have given some financial support to the Taliban in the late 70s/early 80s (which I'm pretty sure they regret now!) doesn't mean you have "facts" to support your preposterous argument that Al-Qaeda and the U.S. are now working in concert. Was the Pat Tillman book your first big boy book? Keep reading!
 
2011-05-02 04:58:40 PM

Kirk's_Toupee: Farking Canuck: You still won't accept it. Conspiracy nuts will latch on the slimmest threads as solid support for their theories but will then turn around and do intellectual back flips to discredit anything that works against their theories.

So do you believe that 19 men from Al Queda hijacked planes and flew them into buildings? If so, you are a conspiracy theorist.



ECHO...ECHO...ECHO...

/Should have read down before responding
 
2011-05-02 04:59:16 PM

Farker T: actor212: Farker T: actor212: Kirk's_Toupee: actor212: Kirk's_Toupee: Good luck with that. So basically, by your logic, the Giants are not the defending World Series Champs because everyone who watched them win was by definition a baseball fan, ergo not independent.

huh? You make no sense.
Let me clarify by analogy: Grassroots is to AstroTurf as an Independent entity is to ...

Let's try this again: By YOUR logic...only a *truly independent authority*, anyone who watched the Giants win the World Series last year is automatically biased simply by being interested, so the Giants are not the defending World Series Champions.

no. Interest has nothing to do with it. I don't even know where you get that. Fronts are created all the time to steer (for or against something) public opinion. This situation will be no different.

but it is apples to oranges.
Thousands of people witnessing an event is completely different than a handful of people unified under one cause.

Really? Tell that to the Truthers, K?


Are there "Truthers" that claim that 9-11 "never happened"?

Cites, please.

Thanks.

Nope. I'm saying that they have an interpretation of events at odds with thousands of eyewitnessess who can verify precisely what was reported that day.


Really?

And where exactly are they at variance?


What? You need a list of their insanity? Google is your friend, I'm not.
 
2011-05-02 05:01:59 PM

HazMatt: We should have dragged his ass through the streets.

Also, there is a large wooden horse outside. We should bring it in.


*polite golf clap*

Nicely played, sir.

Martini?
 
2011-05-02 05:03:19 PM

Kirk's_Toupee: actor212: Thousands of people witnessing an event is completely different than a handful of people unified under one cause.

Really? Tell that to the Truthers, K?

That can mean many things.
Truthers question who really was behind 9-11. In that case, yet again, no independent sources, just govt representatives telling us this is the case.

watching something unfold on tv is not witnessing anything.


Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeea, except the ones who claim that the towers were brought down by missiles and not the planes...but hey, you keep on walking back that dinosaur.
 
2011-05-02 05:03:24 PM

Farker T: Maybe that will help. :-)


I copypasta-ed it for the google search. Only typo was here.

Your ball. Which Administrations, please.
 
2011-05-02 05:04:49 PM

actor212: Farker T: actor212: Farker T: actor212: Kirk's_Toupee: actor212: Kirk's_Toupee: Good luck with that. So basically, by your logic, the Giants are not the defending World Series Champs because everyone who watched them win was by definition a baseball fan, ergo not independent.

huh? You make no sense.
Let me clarify by analogy: Grassroots is to AstroTurf as an Independent entity is to ...

Let's try this again: By YOUR logic...only a *truly independent authority*, anyone who watched the Giants win the World Series last year is automatically biased simply by being interested, so the Giants are not the defending World Series Champions.

no. Interest has nothing to do with it. I don't even know where you get that. Fronts are created all the time to steer (for or against something) public opinion. This situation will be no different.

but it is apples to oranges.
Thousands of people witnessing an event is completely different than a handful of people unified under one cause.

Really? Tell that to the Truthers, K?


Are there "Truthers" that claim that 9-11 "never happened"?

Cites, please.

Thanks.

Nope. I'm saying that they have an interpretation of events at odds with thousands of eyewitnessess who can verify precisely what was reported that day.


Really?

And where exactly are they at variance?

What? You need a list of their insanity?



No, I specifically asked where the "Troofers" version of events is specifically contradicted by the accounts of "thousands of eyewitnessess" as you claimed.


Google is your friend, I'm not.


It's your job to back up your claims, Bub.

And apparently Google is not YOUR friend - as you have produced nothing.
 
2011-05-02 05:07:07 PM
Farker T

Can you give a few examples of internationally known and respected experts, you would trust to examine and identify the corpse of Bin Laden?

/5
 
2011-05-02 05:07:19 PM

Kirk's_Toupee: Well Al queda was a cia creation.


The founding of the group as we know it today did not occur until several years after the CIA stopped funding the people who would go on to start it. One could argue that this wouldn't have been possible without that CIA funding years before, and that's probably true, but calling it a CIA creation based on that alone is stretching definitions and indirection too far.
 
2011-05-02 05:07:36 PM
And could you address Mr. Pieczenik's assertion that Mushariff "dropped the ball" by revealing something that had been published in the New York Times a year earlier?
 
2011-05-02 05:09:57 PM
The latest, greatest conspiracy theory ever!
 
2011-05-02 05:10:16 PM

Deucednuisance: Farker T: Maybe that will help. :-)

I copypasta-ed it for the google search. Only typo was here.

Your ball. Which Administrations, please.



I can't verify the accuracy of the Wiki article , but I can quote it:

Government Work

Dr. Pieczenik received the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) fellowship where he was recruited by Lawrence Eagleburger as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Management. In that position he was the created the Office to Combat Terrorism, the Family Liason Office. He reorganized the medical department within the State Department and merged and reorganized the Department of Cultural Affairs and US Information Agency into one organization, the International Communications Agency.

Dr. Pieczenik created first hostage survival courses in the US government and became famous for developing the strategy and tactics for rescuing hostages around the world. Through his hostage negotiation skills he helped save many lives. He developed the basic tenets for pscyhological warfare, counter terrorism, strategy and tactics for transcultural negotiations for the US State Department, military and intelligence communities and other agencies of the US Government.

Dr. Pieczenik served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and/or Senior Policy Planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker. Dr. Pieczenik continues to consult to the Department of Defense.

END QUOTE

Does that help?
 
2011-05-02 05:11:40 PM

Kirk's_Toupee: watching something unfold on tv is not witnessing anything.


You know, you're right. It's not as though this took place in one of the busiest districts of the fourth-largest city in the world at the height of the business day. Man, if that had been the case there would have been farking TONS of people witnessing the event with their own eyes, wouldn't there?
 
2011-05-02 05:14:59 PM

Dansker: Farker T

Can you give a few examples of internationally known and respected experts, you would trust to examine and identify the corpse of Bin Laden?

/5



To tell the truth, I'm really a bit rusty when it comes to naming internationally recognized medical examiners and forensic experts off the top of my head - especially those that might hail from distant lands.

Why don't you name a few, and I'll research their credibility.

Mmmmkay?


/Kind of a moot point at this stage, don't you think?
//Maybe we should consult marine biologists instead?
 
2011-05-02 05:16:14 PM

cirby: Weaver95:
i'm pretty sure the Republicans are gonna be spouting conspiracy theories over this. I cannot imagine what the bad guys will be saying.

They're well behind the curve on this, then - some lefties have been claiming that Bush was intentionally not catching Osama for years, just to keep the wars going.


Well there is the fact that the invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with Bin Laden or 9/11, and then there's Bush himself saying he was no longer looking for Bin Laden, that he didn't matter, and then there's the stupendous amount of money that went missing over in Iraq, and all the extended war profiteering, but yeah, let's just lump this one in with other ridiculous conspiracy theories.
 
2011-05-02 05:20:00 PM

FilmBELOH20: Lots of Muslim scholars weighing in that the only time a Muslim should be buried at sea is under the extraordinary circumstance that he died at see. Otherwise they are supposed to be buried in the ground with their head pointed toward Mecca.


I care loads about what they think. I'd have buried him with his dick severed and pig shiat in his mouth.
 
2011-05-02 05:22:33 PM
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2011-05-02 05:23:53 PM

Farker T: Dansker: Farker T

Can you give a few examples of internationally known and respected experts, you would trust to examine and identify the corpse of Bin Laden?

/5


To tell the truth, I'm really a bit rusty when it comes to naming internationally recognized medical examiners and forensic experts off the top of my head - especially those that might hail from distant lands.


So, whichever experts they chose, they wouldn't be particularly known by you, and you would have to rely on other sources to establish their credibility and independence.

Why don't you name a few, and I'll research their credibility.

Which kind of sources would you trust to use for that kind of research?

Mmmmkay?

Not okay, this was your idea for removing doubts and mistrust, you're on your own here.
But I'll throw you a bone: Which countries would you trust to supply such experts?
 
2011-05-02 05:24:06 PM

Dansker: Farker T

Can you give a few examples of internationally known and respected experts, you would trust to examine and identify the corpse of Bin Laden?

/5



Oh, and maybe you can tell us why it was so DAMNED IMPORTANT that ObamaCo dump Osama overboard so quickly???

Since when do we go to such great lengths to 'respect the customs' of ANY religion - let alone the "Religion of Peace", and under circumstances such as these?
 
2011-05-02 05:26:38 PM
I'm confused. Didn't Obama say in his speech that Osama was a murderer of Muslims. That we were not fighting against Islam because Osama was just as ok murdering other Muslims as any other person? Why should we respect the wishes of a religion to whom Osama used to exploit and kill people?
 
2011-05-02 05:27:05 PM

hillary: Crap.

There goes my holiday plans of shiatting and pissing on bin Laden's grave.

Way to go, Obama, spoiling a whole nation's fun.


Just go to the beach this summer and pee in the water.
 
2011-05-02 05:27:07 PM

Farker T: Does that help?


Yes.

It demonstrated that Mr. Jones is overstating the facts. Being employed in the State Department doesn't make one part of the Administration. Only the Secretary is in the Administration.

It also demonstrated that you can answer direct questions.

So, was Mr. Pieczenik's assertion about Musharraf an overstatement, or not?

Will you retract your false claim about the Twin Towers rubble?

You've repeatedly insinuated that things were done to purposely sow confusion. What evidence do you have for this assertion, other than that confusion exists? Can you name a reasonable purpose behind doing so?
 
2011-05-02 05:27:26 PM
Now, personally, I would have driven a stake, carved from a yew tree, through his heart, stuffed his mouth with garlic, then bury him, upside-down, at a crossroads.

But, hey! This works, too! :-D
 
2011-05-02 05:28:11 PM
www.depotgames.com
 
2011-05-02 05:30:20 PM

trappedspirit: tulpen: You think that AL QUEDA, the white house, the military, etc. all conspiring together is analogous in some way to the ability of various U.S. inspection, immigration and security departments coming together post-09/11?? Um, no.


Do you know what an analogy is? The Department of Homeland Security is a conspiracy by definition.


Dog Welder: Theory 1: I'm pretty sure if OBL has been "dead for years" the G.W. Bush would have trotted his corpse out to take the heat off the whole "no WMDs in Iraq" fiasco. So that one doesn't wash.


This wasn't a decision made by Obama. Someone decided that it was time to present Obama with some "updated" recon report and status report. Obama then decided to act on that phony info and start practicing his speech. G.W. Bush was intentionally left completely out of the loop.


Theory 2: So, Al Qaeda is working WITH the U.S. military industrial complex? That one's even dumber than the first.

Al Qaeda exists on paper only. You guys are really lacking in the imagination department if you can't see how this works.


Yeah, I guess I'm incapable of thinking in batshiat crazy.
 
2011-05-02 05:31:10 PM
Farker T

Quick followup question, while you're thinking:

How would the experts identify him to your satisfaction?

If you say "DNA", where would they get material for a comparison?
 
2011-05-02 05:31:45 PM

Farker T: Oh, and maybe you can tell us why it was so DAMNED IMPORTANT that ObamaCo dump Osama overboard so quickly???


Say we hold the body. Tomorrow some nut hijacks a busload of nuns and orphans and demands the release of the body. This way we can tell him to fark off, and no other country can call us dicks for letting him kill nuns and orphans.
 
2011-05-02 05:31:49 PM

Farker T: But then we'd be missing out on all of the FUN that the mishandling of the body is stirring up, wouldn't we?


As opposed to the FUN of securing the corpse for some indeterminate period of time, long enough for everyone to be satisfied with the analysis. but not so long that the body spoils (it can only be examined at approximately room temperature, and must be stored at near room temperature, freezing will damage it). The body must be stored somewhere secure, to keep it safe, but not so securely that civilians and foreign nationals cannot gain access to it. Yet securely enough that US military and other personnel can't take trophies of it, pictures with it, or destroy it somehow. Oh! And the location and existence of the body must be kept a secret, lest the locals decide to mortar the piss out of wherever they've got it stashed. Yet, in order to satisfy everyone, dozens of individuals, without security clearance, get to share the most valuable secret of the last decade.

How many opportunities for error can you spot in the above scenario? How many people would still not be satisfied by this?

Osama's body is a hot potato, like a live warhead or a ton of cocaine. No one in their right mind would want it around, no matter how valuable it might be. Think it through next time.
 
2011-05-02 05:31:54 PM

Dansker: Farker T: Dansker: Farker T

Can you give a few examples of internationally known and respected experts, you would trust to examine and identify the corpse of Bin Laden?

/5


To tell the truth, I'm really a bit rusty when it comes to naming internationally recognized medical examiners and forensic experts off the top of my head - especially those that might hail from distant lands.

So, whichever experts they chose, they wouldn't be particularly known by you, and you would have to rely on other sources to establish their credibility and independence.

Why don't you name a few, and I'll research their credibility.

Which kind of sources would you trust to use for that kind of research?

Mmmmkay?

Not okay, this was your idea for removing doubts and mistrust, you're on your own here.
But I'll throw you a bone: Which countries would you trust to supply such experts?



Bring in two or three from each of the following: Britain, Germany, the Netherlands, Japan, India, Israel, Saudi Arabia (home country), Pakistan (scene of the incident) and maybe Iran.

And from the US as well, of course.


But as nothing like that can ever happen, we (and everyone else) will just have to take our government's word for it, won't we?

Fortunately, politicians NEVER lie.
 
2011-05-02 05:32:22 PM

rufus-t-firefly: hillary: Crap.

There goes my holiday plans of shiatting and pissing on bin Laden's grave.

Way to go, Obama, spoiling a whole nation's fun.

Just go to the beach this summer and pee in the water.


Mister, I like the cut of your jib!
 
2011-05-02 05:35:54 PM

Farker T: Dansker: Farker T: Dansker: Farker T

Can you give a few examples of internationally known and respected experts, you would trust to examine and identify the corpse of Bin Laden?

/5


To tell the truth, I'm really a bit rusty when it comes to naming internationally recognized medical examiners and forensic experts off the top of my head - especially those that might hail from distant lands.

So, whichever experts they chose, they wouldn't be particularly known by you, and you would have to rely on other sources to establish their credibility and independence.

Why don't you name a few, and I'll research their credibility.

Which kind of sources would you trust to use for that kind of research?

Mmmmkay?

Not okay, this was your idea for removing doubts and mistrust, you're on your own here.
But I'll throw you a bone: Which countries would you trust to supply such experts?


Bring in two or three from each of the following: Britain, Germany, the Netherlands, Japan, India, Israel, Saudi Arabia (home country), Pakistan (scene of the incident) and maybe Iran.

And from the US as well, of course.


But as nothing like that can ever happen, we (and everyone else) will just have to take our government's word for it, won't we?

Fortunately, politicians NEVER lie.


Since al Quaeda is saying that he's dead and vowing retribution, I'm guessing they're in on the Whack-a-Mole conspiracy, too. So if you'd be kind enough to provide some sort of evidence that this is happening, I'd be happy to give it a good read.
 
2011-05-02 05:38:26 PM

Dansker: Farker T

Quick followup question, while you're thinking:

How would the experts identify him to your satisfaction?

If you say "DNA", where would they get material for a comparison?



As you are apparently willing to accept ObamaCo's DNA analysis, I suggest you answer your own question.
 
2011-05-02 05:39:11 PM

treesloth: hovsm: You must really love the internet, you get to be all of the things you wished you could be in real life. You are confident and decisive. You can dismiss someone with the flick of a few keys with no thought about the social graces. Your poor social skills don't even matter. Cheers to you.

Ah, attack the person, not the logic. Ok, good. But then your post applies to you. Ouch.

Seriously, though, back to the topic... Your experience, if it's real, on a completely different task a year separated from the topic at hand, gives you... nothing. And, you see, here's the trick: That is a real-life assessment. The internet is just the medium. Was that sufficiently socially gracious? If not, strap on a pair of balls and man up, because reality doesn't give a damn about your wittle hurt feewings.



Ok! Let's deal with your impervious logic. You said "Which translates to you having no insight whatsoever." Tell me, where is a flaw in that statement? That is very general, is it not? No insight whatsoever. That means I have none, on anything not just the "topic". Nothing. Well we know that isn't true. Also the word insight, that's not correct because insight is perception and we all know perception is 100%. Let's define "insight" in the context of the mission or the topic at hand to circumvent your protests. The topic at hand is whether or not there are sequencers on Naval Vessels. So if we use the word insight, that means I have a perception of the situation. So whether I am right or wrong, I have insight. So bad logic on your part. But anyway. Let's change insight into knowledge. Your very first statement asked if I had first hand knowledge not insight, I said yes. No excuse me, your first statement was a smart ass attack on my credibility. My answer didn't appeal to you because lets face it, your logic wasn't based upon whether or not there are sequencers, you wanted to out me as a liar. So you attacked my credibility again. All in a passive aggressive manner, until I admonished you on your behavior, then you got all puffy and direct. I knew that would be your reaction because I had a stroke of insight. That's when you proclaimed your certain authority over me. I would like to also point out that, if you had the proper biology training, you would know "the task" which is DNA sequencing is not completely different but quite germane. DNA sequencing is DNA sequencing. Now lets deal with my knowledge. Being in a lab aboard ship and the knowledge of how DNA sequencing works is experience enough to have an opinion and even lead a discussion but I did acquiesce that I could be wrong, having been wrong most of my life, and we all know what Socrates says to that, you lover of rhetoric.


Now as far as manning up to reality, it doesn't matter what I have to say in return. I am reading your profile to see how big your balls must be. Yoda.. Although, a degree in Math is nothing to shake a stick at. I am not so good at math. Then again I did have some time in between college and high school. I was busy whining and crying, not manning up.
 
2011-05-02 05:39:46 PM

Dog Welder: Yeah, I guess I'm incapable of thinking in batshiat crazy.


Don't underestimate yourself
 
2011-05-02 05:39:50 PM
stephensonstrategies.com

I've only been skimming, but has anyone mentioned the possibility that the lie is not that Osama was killed, but the lie is the body was dumped?

Srsly, I don't have your iPad, it was stolen from the back of my car. Stop bugging me.
 
2011-05-02 05:42:25 PM
Also, my understanding is that Osama was given full military honors by the CIA at his funeral. Why, here is a picture of that that wikileaks just released:

shatterhand007.com
 
2011-05-02 05:44:50 PM

Deucednuisance: Farker T: Does that help?

Yes.

It demonstrated that Mr. Jones is overstating the facts. Being employed in the State Department doesn't make one part of the Administration.



Nice allegation. Now, will you please quote Jones to back it up?

Thanks.


Only the Secretary is in the Administration.


Nevermind. I will:


Quoting Jones: AJ: Our guest tonight is Dr. Steve Pieczenik and he's one of the world's most experienced international crisis managers. He has over twenty years experience in resolving international crises, working for four U.S. administrations. Dr. Pieczenik served as Deputy Secretary of State under Henry Kissinger and Cyrus Vance and James Baker. Working with Secretary of State George Schultz, Dr. Pieczenik has used his psycho-political expertise for the Secretary's mediation of conflict in the Middle East between Israel, Jordan, Syria, again it goes on and on."

END QUOTE


Where did Jones mislead us, exactly?
 
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