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2011-05-02 03:37:38 PM  

kevin5lynn: Farker T
What possible propaganda advantage would the US have in perpetuating the idea that a dead Osama was still alive as they continued to wage their "anti-Terror" campaigns in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere?

Can you think of any?

Are you kidding? Like I said earlier: Osama Bin Laden = Emmanuel Goldstein.

How many times has Osama's name been invoked to influence foreign policy?



It was a rhetorical question.

Of course the specter of Osama has been a very powerful - possibly THE most powerful propaganda tool in the US arsenal to keep the fear of God and Terror alive in the befuddled masses, allowing the leaders to 'justify' any policy no matter how draconian, foreign or domestic, that they wished to pursue.

Had Osama been killed (or up and died) shortly after 9-11, it would have been a tremendous blow to propaganda efforts.
 
2011-05-02 03:37:46 PM  

actor212: fark Hitler, what about Elvis? I mean, damn, if you can't accept that a man eating a fried peanut butter sandwich on a toilet could drop dead of a heart attack, you really got your priorities outta whack.


Um, yeah, about that...
 
2011-05-02 03:40:31 PM  

g4lt: Farker T: g4lt: Farker T: g4lt: iamgoz: Farker T: g4lt: Why not just call them heretics? After all, their SIN is a lack of Faith in the Holy Proclamations, is it not?

Get used to it, you WILL be wear the label. Either wear it proudly or STFU. Besides, if you're right and that gets exposed, who's the fool then?

they will if I have any say in the matter, I like being a trendsetter ;P


Day late and a dollar short. (new window)

You're not a 'trendsetter', g4lt. just an arselicker. :-)

I just claimed to have the first deather sighting, to wit, you. And I intend to keep up with the deather sightings, as just like troofers and birfers, y'all can derp up even the most innocuous of conversations


Tastes like ass, doesn't it, arselicker?

Is this a variant of the Big Lie, the Big Insult? The Big Lie is pretty much standard birfer and troofer play, so I'd assume it kind of transfers to deathers, but the new variant of the big insult is a bit of a twist on it. I'll have to add it to my taxonomy of idiocy, thanks for the [inadvertent] heads up.



I get the feeling that you don't know much about the origins of the "Big Lie".

Oh, I'm sure you know who said it, but do you know who he was accusing of using the technique?
 
2011-05-02 03:42:11 PM  

actor212: Farker T: actor212: Kirk's_Toupee: actor212: Kirk's_Toupee: Good luck with that. So basically, by your logic, the Giants are not the defending World Series Champs because everyone who watched them win was by definition a baseball fan, ergo not independent.

huh? You make no sense.
Let me clarify by analogy: Grassroots is to AstroTurf as an Independent entity is to ...

Let's try this again: By YOUR logic...only a *truly independent authority*, anyone who watched the Giants win the World Series last year is automatically biased simply by being interested, so the Giants are not the defending World Series Champions.

no. Interest has nothing to do with it. I don't even know where you get that. Fronts are created all the time to steer (for or against something) public opinion. This situation will be no different.

but it is apples to oranges.
Thousands of people witnessing an event is completely different than a handful of people unified under one cause.

Really? Tell that to the Truthers, K?


Are there "Truthers" that claim that 9-11 "never happened"?

Cites, please.

Thanks.

Nope. I'm saying that they have an interpretation of events at odds with thousands of eyewitnessess who can verify precisely what was reported that day.



Really?

And where exactly are they at variance?
 
2011-05-02 03:48:46 PM  

Weaver95: so just to keep my scorecard straight - we've got:

birthers
9/11 truthers
Osama deathers. death eaters? I dunno. seems weird to me.


Osa-domites.

/say it out loud
//just not if you're at work
///unless it's a gay bar
////slashies!
 
2011-05-02 03:48:57 PM  
I swear the people thinking it's a lie and that Osama is a) alive or b) died years ago and a magical pikachu cloned him while singing Koombiya and drinking a martini

They've turned Laden into a reverse martyr. Instead of using him to lead masses in murder, they're using him to add an attack to whatever politician they see fit.

What's next. Osama burgers at Mcdonald's? He'll be the new clown. Kids will love him. Beardland will rule forever.

Now if you'll excuse me, I really shouldn't be awake with the flu and decongestants in my system.
 
2011-05-02 03:49:00 PM  

Big Al: If OBL was smart, he would have recorded an "I'm not dead! ha ha!" message a long time ago, and told some followers far away to release it if the news ever hits that the US claims he's dead. Will be an interesting few months...


They are probably just looking through the stack right now trying to find the one most appropriate.

"...you nearly had me with those dogs you sent in..."

"...really, don't you think those Tomahawk missiles were a little much?..."

"...Ah, the exploding cell phone trick. Nice..."

"...and this is why I have food tasters..."
 
2011-05-02 03:49:10 PM  

Dansker: Farker T: Dansker: kevin5lynn: more like: Ossama died and then Al Qaeda used him as a figurehead, US suspected this but could not prove it.

So, you're willing to believe that he was already dead, without evidence?


What possible propaganda advantage would the US have in perpetuating the idea that a dead Osama was still alive as they continued to wage their "anti-Terror" campaigns in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere?

What reason would al Qaeda have to play along with the US governments claim that they killed him now, if it isn't true?

Can you think of any?

Yes. And I can think of even more reasons to announce his death.
Do you believe that he was already dead?



No, I don't 'believe' that he was already dead.

Neither am I discounting the possibility. I have yet to reach conclusions on this matter. Unfortunately, ObamaCo's handling of the body will fuel controversy for some time.

"BRING ME THE HEAD OF JOHN THE BAPTIST!"

"Here's a hair. Will that do?"


As I said earlier, It almost seems as if creating controversy was their intention.
 
2011-05-02 03:49:38 PM  
Pakistan confirms bin Laden's death, even though it's extremely embarassing for them that he was found there. They have very good reasons to deny this, and would almost certainly do, if they hadn't seen convincing evidence.
 
2011-05-02 03:49:47 PM  

Farker T: g4lt: Farker T: g4lt: Farker T: g4lt: iamgoz: Farker T: g4lt: Why not just call them heretics? After all, their SIN is a lack of Faith in the Holy Proclamations, is it not?

Get used to it, you WILL be wear the label. Either wear it proudly or STFU. Besides, if you're right and that gets exposed, who's the fool then?

they will if I have any say in the matter, I like being a trendsetter ;P


Day late and a dollar short. (new window)

You're not a 'trendsetter', g4lt. just an arselicker. :-)

I just claimed to have the first deather sighting, to wit, you. And I intend to keep up with the deather sightings, as just like troofers and birfers, y'all can derp up even the most innocuous of conversations


Tastes like ass, doesn't it, arselicker?

Is this a variant of the Big Lie, the Big Insult? The Big Lie is pretty much standard birfer and troofer play, so I'd assume it kind of transfers to deathers, but the new variant of the big insult is a bit of a twist on it. I'll have to add it to my taxonomy of idiocy, thanks for the [inadvertent] heads up.


I get the feeling that you don't know much about the origins of the "Big Lie".

Oh, I'm sure you know who said it, but do you know who he was accusing of using the technique?


Chapter 10, _Mein Kampf_, I've been Godwinned, I WIN! (and , like everything else in _Mein Kampf_, he blamed the Jews for it)
 
2011-05-02 03:50:19 PM  
Grass Hopper:
So bring it home, get it's identity confirmed by an international team to stop the derp, and THEN get rid of the body so it can't be memorialised.

You can't stop the derp. They could have brought them the body in person to the derpster brigade, showed them the DNA analysis, the bloodwork. let them sniff his butt etc etc and it still be a grand conspiracy and what is Obama trying to hide? The same thing happened with the release of Obama's birth certificate and just about everything else. It doesn't matter what the Government does, there always be that 5-10% derp factor in the population.
 
2011-05-02 03:50:22 PM  

kevin5lynn: Verified by other government representatives, maybe. Possibly the U.N. ?


Maybe? Not sure? Perhaps you're coming (painfully slowly) to the same conclusion I already did: that there is no organization you'd really trust with this info, because you're paranoid and the info is too valuable for it not to be corrupted somewhere.

The test here is: what's more likely? That hundreds of military, medical, intelligence and other government personnel are conspiring to mislead us (to what end?), or that Osama Bin Laden was in a compound in Pakistan and was shot to death by our military?

If that won't do it for you, then does Al Queada count as an independent source of confirmation? Or are they in on it too?

As for disposing of the body at sea, it's the perfect way to verify the truth of your claims: if anyone ever produces Osama's head, hands, foot, whatever, we are instantly discredited. If we are lying, disproving it would be trivial, and possible for decades into the future. It's almost impossible to prove that someone's really dead, but trivial to prove they're alive.

It's unbelievable how biased someone would have to be to think that questioning this announcement makes them "objective". Even the most cursory analysis makes it plain that he's dead and was just buried at sea. The only thing that could possibly be a lie is that he was shot, and not found dead already, which is just a detail and unimportant at any reasonable scale.

/how do we know that was really Obama at the press conference?????
 
2011-05-02 03:52:54 PM  

Farker T: No, I don't 'believe' that he was already dead.

Neither am I discounting the possibility.


Do you have any evidence that leads you to consider the possibility?
 
2011-05-02 03:53:07 PM  
As with everything the government says, I don't really believe we are getting the whole truth. But, unlike conspiracy theorists, I don't go so far as to conjecture about things I know nothing about, especially since I will never get the whole truth. One can go crazy trying to dream up all the possible ways the government is lying to us. Why get worked up about something you can't change?
 
2011-05-02 03:55:37 PM  

g4lt: Farker T: g4lt: Farker T: g4lt: Farker T: g4lt: iamgoz: Farker T: g4lt: Why not just call them heretics? After all, their SIN is a lack of Faith in the Holy Proclamations, is it not?

Get used to it, you WILL be wear the label. Either wear it proudly or STFU. Besides, if you're right and that gets exposed, who's the fool then?

they will if I have any say in the matter, I like being a trendsetter ;P


Day late and a dollar short. (new window)

You're not a 'trendsetter', g4lt. just an arselicker. :-)

I just claimed to have the first deather sighting, to wit, you. And I intend to keep up with the deather sightings, as just like troofers and birfers, y'all can derp up even the most innocuous of conversations


Tastes like ass, doesn't it, arselicker?

Is this a variant of the Big Lie, the Big Insult? The Big Lie is pretty much standard birfer and troofer play, so I'd assume it kind of transfers to deathers, but the new variant of the big insult is a bit of a twist on it. I'll have to add it to my taxonomy of idiocy, thanks for the [inadvertent] heads up.


I get the feeling that you don't know much about the origins of the "Big Lie".

Oh, I'm sure you know who said it, but do you know who he was accusing of using the technique?

Chapter 10, _Mein Kampf_, I've been Godwinned, I WIN! (and , like everything else in _Mein Kampf_, he blamed the Jews for it)



So let me get this straight: are you accusing "birfers and troofers" of blaming Jews, or of being Jews?

Please clarify.

/Orly?
 
2011-05-02 03:56:50 PM  

mccallcl: kevin5lynn: Verified by other government representatives, maybe. Possibly the U.N. ?

Maybe? Not sure? Perhaps you're coming (painfully slowly) to the same conclusion I already did: that there is no organization you'd really trust with this info, because you're paranoid and the info is too valuable for it not to be corrupted somewhere.

The test here is: what's more likely? That hundreds of military, medical, intelligence and other government personnel are conspiring to mislead us (to what end?), or that Osama Bin Laden was in a compound in Pakistan and was shot to death by our military?

If that won't do it for you, then does Al Queada count as an independent source of confirmation? Or are they in on it too?

As for disposing of the body at sea, it's the perfect way to verify the truth of your claims: if anyone ever produces Osama's head, hands, foot, whatever, we are instantly discredited. If we are lying, disproving it would be trivial, and possible for decades into the future. It's almost impossible to prove that someone's really dead, but trivial to prove they're alive.

It's unbelievable how biased someone would have to be to think that questioning this announcement makes them "objective". Even the most cursory analysis makes it plain that he's dead and was just buried at sea. The only thing that could possibly be a lie is that he was shot, and not found dead already, which is just a detail and unimportant at any reasonable scale.

/how do we know that was really Obama at the press conference?????


mccallcl, I think Al Qaeda is supposed to be in on it too? I've witnessed first hand just how hard it is to get people to agree on a lunch restaurant, but apparently getting all of these orgs to work together to plant a fake Osama death story is no big deal. FYI, I am a very cute lady (if do say so myself) and I think I heart you.
 
2011-05-02 03:57:04 PM  

Farker T: Unfortunately, ObamaCo's handling of the body will fuel controversy for some time.


Any handling of the body would fuel controversy.
Which authority would you trust in this case?
 
2011-05-02 03:58:39 PM  

SnakeLee: Freep Impact: The muzzies behead innocent civilians


They certainly do look sharp enough to do the job:

mediacdn.shopatron.com
 
2011-05-02 03:58:48 PM  

Dansker: Farker T: No, I don't 'believe' that he was already dead.

Neither am I discounting the possibility.

Do you have any evidence that leads you to consider the possibility?



Thanks to ObamaCo, we certainly don't have the key piece of contradictory evidence, do we?

/And we never will
 
2011-05-02 03:59:09 PM  
Well I'm off to piss in the ocean!

I'd try to crap but it'd be hard with the water being so cold
 
2011-05-02 04:01:30 PM  

kevin5lynn: Millennium

shock-and-awe political assault on your biggest opponents with a holy-grail-level achievement

What?! TRUMP is Obama's biggest opponent?

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!


I said opponents, plural, but Trump is in fact the biggest name among the bunch right now, and he has the added bonus of not being a direct colleague that Obama is going to have to work with on almost a daily basis. So of course he's going to take the brunt of the heat. When you want to bowl a strike, you start with the nearest pin.
 
2011-05-02 04:02:55 PM  

Farker T: Dansker: Farker T: No, I don't 'believe' that he was already dead.

Neither am I discounting the possibility.

Do you have any evidence that leads you to consider the possibility?


Thanks to ObamaCo, we certainly don't have the key piece of contradictory evidence, do we?


I'll take that as a no.

What would you do, if you had that key piece of evidence (I assume you mean the corpse), to eliminate the possibility of conspiracy theories and mistrust?
 
2011-05-02 04:05:29 PM  

Dansker: Farker T: Unfortunately, ObamaCo's handling of the body will fuel controversy for some time.

Any handling of the body would fuel controversy.



What 'controversy'? That the body of a mass murderer and the world's most wanted man wasn't handled in accordance with proper Islamic customs vs the firestorm that the simple dumping of the body at sea would no doubt generate?

Really?


Which authority would you trust in this case?


Aside from taking ObamaCo's word, what 'authority' are you referring to?
 
2011-05-02 04:09:23 PM  

kevin5lynn: Wicked Chinchilla

Parade it on TV like some prize? Hes dead, bury his ass and get on with it.

Maybe not to that extent... but yah. Couldn't they have kept the body in a freezer for a week or two after they made the announcement?

I'm just suspicious of this whole "done deal okaythxby"


Maybe they could have arranged to bring it by your apartment.
 
2011-05-02 04:09:38 PM  

Farker T: Kind of brings to mind the way that the wreckage from the WTC towers was disposed of some years back, doesn't it?


No, it doesn't.

You are passing along a lie, and don't know what you're talking about. Google Fresh Kills Landfill and educate yourself. The analysis is still ongoing.
 
2011-05-02 04:10:07 PM  
My husband is on the Vinson, AKA The Coont Zero, and when he called me last time he was VERY happy about something that he couldn't talk about.

Whelp, that answers my question. Looks like he's happy for a damned good reason.
 
2011-05-02 04:10:29 PM  

tulpen:
mccallcl, I think Al Qaeda is supposed to be in on it too? I've witnessed first hand just how hard it is to get people to agree on a lunch restaurant, but apparently getting all of these orgs to work together to plant a fake Osama death story is no big deal. FYI, I am a very cute lady (if do say so myself) and I think I heart you.


It would probably be more appropriate of an analogy to look at the unification work done to bring together the departments that became the department of homeland security. Don't underestimate what can be done when people are on the payroll. Not to say the conspiracy theory is real, just that bigger plans have been executed.
 
2011-05-02 04:11:10 PM  
We should have dragged his ass through the streets.

Also, there is a large wooden horse outside. We should bring it in.
 
2011-05-02 04:12:38 PM  

Farker T: Dansker: Farker T: Unfortunately, ObamaCo's handling of the body will fuel controversy for some time.

Any handling of the body would fuel controversy.


What 'controversy'? That the body of a mass murderer and the world's most wanted man wasn't handled in accordance with proper Islamic customs vs the firestorm that the simple dumping of the body at sea would no doubt generate?


No, I mean even if they sent the body on a world tour, where kids could buy tickets to stick their fingers in the bulletholes, it wouldn't convince everybody that it was actually bin Laden.
What would convince you?


Which authority would you trust in this case?

Aside from taking ObamaCo's word, what 'authority' are you referring to?


Any authority/organization/country/institution etc. you would trust to identify the corpse as the remains of Osama bin Laden.
 
2011-05-02 04:13:42 PM  

trappedspirit: tulpen: I imagine this has been discussed somewhere, but I just don't understand the conspiracy theorists here. If he's not really dead, don't you think Osama will gleefully make this known? And don't you think that Obama knows that and thus ensured that he was definitely dead before putting the info out there? No entiendo, 'splain please.

One theory is that Osama has been dead for years and this is a political stunt, either to distract from a fraudulent birth certificate or boost acceptance polls. Another theory is that Osama, Al Qaeda and the U.S. are cooperating to keep the "threat level" elevated and to help grease the rails for the military industrial complex. It became necessary for some not yet known reason to have the leadership rearranged.


Theory 1: I'm pretty sure if OBL has been "dead for years" the G.W. Bush would have trotted his corpse out to take the heat off the whole "no WMDs in Iraq" fiasco. So that one doesn't wash.

Theory 2: So, Al Qaeda is working WITH the U.S. military industrial complex? That one's even dumber than the first.
 
2011-05-02 04:13:56 PM  

Grass Hopper: So bring it home, get it's identity confirmed by an international team to stop the derp, and THEN get rid of the body so it can't be memorialised.


Can't stop the derp. Most powerful force in the 'verse.
 
2011-05-02 04:14:44 PM  

Dansker: Farker T: Dansker: Farker T: No, I don't 'believe' that he was already dead.

Neither am I discounting the possibility.

Do you have any evidence that leads you to consider the possibility?


Thanks to ObamaCo, we certainly don't have the key piece of contradictory evidence, do we?

I'll take that as a no.



What evidence would you accept in confirming that he had been long dead? A BODY, maybe?


What would you do, if you had that key piece of evidence (I assume you mean the corpse), to eliminate the possibility of conspiracy theories and mistrust?


Make the corpse available for thorough examination by a wide variety of internationally know and respected experts - including those whose agendas may not be aligned with those of the administration.

Just a thought.

But then we'd be missing out on all of the FUN that the mishandling of the body is stirring up, wouldn't we?
 
2011-05-02 04:15:52 PM  

Farker T: g4lt: Farker T: g4lt: Farker T: g4lt: Farker T: g4lt: iamgoz: Farker T: g4lt: Why not just call them heretics? After all, their SIN is a lack of Faith in the Holy Proclamations, is it not?

Get used to it, you WILL be wear the label. Either wear it proudly or STFU. Besides, if you're right and that gets exposed, who's the fool then?

they will if I have any say in the matter, I like being a trendsetter ;P


Day late and a dollar short. (new window)

You're not a 'trendsetter', g4lt. just an arselicker. :-)

I just claimed to have the first deather sighting, to wit, you. And I intend to keep up with the deather sightings, as just like troofers and birfers, y'all can derp up even the most innocuous of conversations


Tastes like ass, doesn't it, arselicker?

Is this a variant of the Big Lie, the Big Insult? The Big Lie is pretty much standard birfer and troofer play, so I'd assume it kind of transfers to deathers, but the new variant of the big insult is a bit of a twist on it. I'll have to add it to my taxonomy of idiocy, thanks for the [inadvertent] heads up.


I get the feeling that you don't know much about the origins of the "Big Lie".

Oh, I'm sure you know who said it, but do you know who he was accusing of using the technique?

Chapter 10, _Mein Kampf_, I've been Godwinned, I WIN! (and , like everything else in _Mein Kampf_, he blamed the Jews for it)


So let me get this straight: are you accusing "birfers and troofers" of blaming Jews, or of being Jews?

Please clarify.

/Orly?


I'm doing nothing of the sort. You brought the origins of the logical fallacy to the forefront, that being a very unfortunate incident in 1939 that forever changed our perceptions of things. Much later, Godwin postulated that in any argument going on for long enough that one side would attempt to paint the other side with this broad-ish brush. Later, it was decided by most people that the side doing this was considered to have forfeited the argument. Of course, this was kind of redundant, as you'd already descended to childish stratey, which typically is considered a forfeiture of its own, but that's NMP. So basically, it looks like the deathers are good for derpage, insults, and godwinning. Yet you wonder why I find it necessary to ensure that deathers are rooted out and identified, so that the rest of us can engage or not as they have the stomach for. Wonder no more, for I shall explain it in such a manner as even someone of your limited means can understand: I am merely the person that turns over rocks to find deathers, and boy did I find an ugly one as patient zero.

And another thing, leave that Taitz thing out of it if you don't want to be considered even more looney than you are now....
 
2011-05-02 04:16:02 PM  

mccallcl: It's unbelievable how biased someone would have to be to think that questioning this announcement makes them "objective".


Wait...now people have to be biased to question an announcement from the government? You sound like a g-man.
 
2011-05-02 04:17:12 PM  

Farker T: Dansker: Farker T: No, I don't 'believe' that he was already dead.

Neither am I discounting the possibility.

Do you have any evidence that leads you to consider the possibility?


Thanks to ObamaCo, we certainly don't have the key piece of contradictory evidence, do we?

/And we never will


start diving, lazybones
 
2011-05-02 04:17:36 PM  

Farker T: Make the corpse available for thorough examination by a wide variety of internationally know and respected experts - including those whose agendas may not be aligned with those of the administration.


So, I'll ask for the third time: Who would you trust to make that examination?
 
2011-05-02 04:19:14 PM  

hovsm: Lenny_da_Hog: hovsm: Lenny_da_Hog: hovsm: That is the fastest DNA testing I have ever heard of. I guess if the Pakistani's did the test or maybe they have a sequencing machine on a Seal's back?

You realize the Navy has these big buildings that float and have stuff in them, right?

I had no idea. That must be quite the tool for the war on terror. DNA sequencer...check. Take my word for it, they don't have sequencers on ships. Most likely they sent it to Islamabad. That's the only way they could get confirmation in that window of time.

Well, unless you had like, I dunno, PLANNING involved in the long-term project or something, in which case you'd get a sequencer and keep it handy.

You have obviously never worked for the military. My question was answered, there are portable analyzers that do the work. You see, I never doubted the information, I just didn't know and wanted to be informed. Portable analyzers was the correct answer, and I didn't need some BS from someone who probably knows very little about the military or molecular biology.


So just because the democratic administration said so wasn't a good enough reason for you to believe it?

Whats scary is how many people take what they are told and never question it.

Question EVERYTHING.
 
2011-05-02 04:20:14 PM  

trappedspirit: tulpen:
mccallcl, I think Al Qaeda is supposed to be in on it too? I've witnessed first hand just how hard it is to get people to agree on a lunch restaurant, but apparently getting all of these orgs to work together to plant a fake Osama death story is no big deal. FYI, I am a very cute lady (if do say so myself) and I think I heart you.

It would probably be more appropriate of an analogy to look at the unification work done to bring together the departments that became the department of homeland security. Don't underestimate what can be done when people are on the payroll. Not to say the conspiracy theory is real, just that bigger plans have been executed.



You think that AL QUEDA, the white house, the military, etc. all conspiring together is analogous in some way to the ability of various U.S. inspection, immigration and security departments coming together post-09/11?? Um, no.
 
2011-05-02 04:20:27 PM  
I want to see bin Laden's birth certificate. I suspect he was born in New Jersey.
 
2011-05-02 04:26:31 PM  

Dansker: Farker T: Make the corpse available for thorough examination by a wide variety of internationally know and respected experts - including those whose agendas may not be aligned with those of the administration.

So, I'll ask for the third time: Who would you trust to make that examination?


They will never trust anything ... just like the long form birth certificate. They will ask and ask and, if someone gives them what they ask for, they will move the goalposts.
 
2011-05-02 04:28:28 PM  

Farker T: I see that they totally ignored your last post. You can bet that they'll simply attack your link source on this one.


Why reply to the recitation of idiocy?

For instance, William Safire was reporting in 2001 in the New York Times that Bin Laden had kidney disease.

Why bother responding when the claims are so clearly wrong?

(But Prison Planet really is a piece of shiat.)

And a guy named Piecznik? "Peacenik"? Seriously?

And which four Administrations, please. No biography I've yet found for the guy (who's a second-rate noelist who specialises in International Spy Thrillers. He's even co-authored withTom Clancy, in actuality) makes mention of that employment. Odd. Makes one wonder if he was taken out of context while discussion a fictional plotline, doesn't it?
 
2011-05-02 04:31:45 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: I was never a birther, but I might be a deather. How does someone who needs dialysis survive in caves and yurts and goatherders' root cellars for 10 years?


IIRC, the man's assets totalled in the eight-digit range at least, possibly the nine-digit range. With that much money, a man can do a lot of things that others simply couldn't. My best guess involves dropping 5 million or so on some black-market kidneys, a crack surgical team, and a super-secret place to hole up for a month or so. Even if that particular avenue wouldn't have worked for him, it wouldn't be the only option by any stretch of the imagination.
 
2011-05-02 04:31:50 PM  

tulpen: You think that AL QUEDA, the white house, the military, etc. all conspiring together is analogous in some way to the ability of various U.S. inspection, immigration and security departments coming together post-09/11?? Um, no.


Do you know what an analogy is? The Department of Homeland Security is a conspiracy by definition.


Dog Welder: Theory 1: I'm pretty sure if OBL has been "dead for years" the G.W. Bush would have trotted his corpse out to take the heat off the whole "no WMDs in Iraq" fiasco. So that one doesn't wash.


This wasn't a decision made by Obama. Someone decided that it was time to present Obama with some "updated" recon report and status report. Obama then decided to act on that phony info and start practicing his speech. G.W. Bush was intentionally left completely out of the loop.


Theory 2: So, Al Qaeda is working WITH the U.S. military industrial complex? That one's even dumber than the first.


Al Qaeda exists on paper only. You guys are really lacking in the imagination department if you can't see how this works.
 
2011-05-02 04:34:06 PM  
So was he a sinker or a floater?
 
2011-05-02 04:35:22 PM  

g4lt: Farker T: g4lt: Farker T: g4lt: Farker T: g4lt: Farker T: g4lt: iamgoz: Farker T: g4lt: Why not just call them heretics? After all, their SIN is a lack of Faith in the Holy Proclamations, is it not?

Get used to it, you WILL be wear the label. Either wear it proudly or STFU. Besides, if you're right and that gets exposed, who's the fool then?

they will if I have any say in the matter, I like being a trendsetter ;P


Day late and a dollar short. (new window)

You're not a 'trendsetter', g4lt. just an arselicker. :-)

I just claimed to have the first deather sighting, to wit, you. And I intend to keep up with the deather sightings, as just like troofers and birfers, y'all can derp up even the most innocuous of conversations


Tastes like ass, doesn't it, arselicker?

Is this a variant of the Big Lie, the Big Insult? The Big Lie is pretty much standard birfer and troofer play, so I'd assume it kind of transfers to deathers, but the new variant of the big insult is a bit of a twist on it. I'll have to add it to my taxonomy of idiocy, thanks for the [inadvertent] heads up.


I get the feeling that you don't know much about the origins of the "Big Lie".

Oh, I'm sure you know who said it, but do you know who he was accusing of using the technique?

Chapter 10, _Mein Kampf_, I've been Godwinned, I WIN! (and , like everything else in _Mein Kampf_, he blamed the Jews for it)


So let me get this straight: are you accusing "birfers and troofers" of blaming Jews, or of being Jews?

Please clarify.

/Orly?

I'm doing nothing of the sort. You brought the origins of the logical fallacy to the forefront, that being a very unfortunate incident in 1939 that forever changed our perceptions of things.



You broached the "Big Lie", Bub. And is it really a logical fallacy? If so, how DO you explain the 'birfers and troofers" and similar phenomena?


g4lt: Much later, Godwin postulated that in any argument going on for long enough that one side would attempt to paint the other side with this broad-ish brush. Later, it was decided by most people that the side doing this was considered to have forfeited the argument.


"Most people"? [Citation needed]


g4lt: Of course, this was kind of redundant, as you'd already descended to childish stratey,


You crow about labeling me a "Deather" early in the thread, and then accuse ME of childishness?

LOL!


g4lt: which typically is considered a forfeiture of its own, but that's NMP. So basically, it looks like the deathers are good for derpage, insults, and godwinning. Yet you wonder why I find it necessary to ensure that deathers are rooted out and identified, so that the rest of us can engage or not as they have the stomach for.


Interesting. How long have you been carrying on this "Rooting Out the Deathers" crusade of yours, exactly?


Wonder no more, for I shall explain it in such a manner as even someone of your limited means can understand: I am merely the person that turns over rocks to find deathers, and boy did I find an ugly one as patient zero.


So is this a hobby of yours, or are you a "Professional Deather Killer"? If the latter, how many years left before you can retire with a full pension?


And another thing, leave that Taitz thing out of it if you don't want to be considered even more looney than you are now....


Oooh. Definitely touched a nerve there.

Is she a relative of yours, perhaps?
 
2011-05-02 04:37:32 PM  

actor212: Thousands of people witnessing an event is completely different than a handful of people unified under one cause.

Really? Tell that to the Truthers, K?


That can mean many things.
Truthers question who really was behind 9-11. In that case, yet again, no independent sources, just govt representatives telling us this is the case.

watching something unfold on tv is not witnessing anything.
 
2011-05-02 04:37:34 PM  

Dansker: Farker T: Make the corpse available for thorough examination by a wide variety of internationally know and respected experts - including those whose agendas may not be aligned with those of the administration.

So, I'll ask for the third time: Who would you trust to make that examination?



From above: "Make the corpse available for thorough examination by a wide variety of internationally know and respected experts - including those whose agendas may not be aligned with those of the administration."


But that's not likely to happen, is it?

Unless Obama is lying about the 'burial at sea' bit, of course.
 
2011-05-02 04:40:27 PM  

trappedspirit: tulpen: You think that AL QUEDA, the white house, the military, etc. all conspiring together is analogous in some way to the ability of various U.S. inspection, immigration and security departments coming together post-09/11?? Um, no.


Do you know what an analogy is? The Department of Homeland Security is a conspiracy by definition.


Dog Welder: Theory 1: I'm pretty sure if OBL has been "dead for years" the G.W. Bush would have trotted his corpse out to take the heat off the whole "no WMDs in Iraq" fiasco. So that one doesn't wash.


This wasn't a decision made by Obama. Someone decided that it was time to present Obama with some "updated" recon report and status report. Obama then decided to act on that phony info and start practicing his speech. G.W. Bush was intentionally left completely out of the loop.


Theory 2: So, Al Qaeda is working WITH the U.S. military industrial complex? That one's even dumber than the first.

Al Qaeda exists on paper only. You guys are really lacking in the imagination department if you can't see how this works.


they believe what the tv tells them to believe. they have no knowledge of facts.
 
2011-05-02 04:40:48 PM  

Farking Canuck: Dansker: Farker T: Make the corpse available for thorough examination by a wide variety of internationally know and respected experts - including those whose agendas may not be aligned with those of the administration.

So, I'll ask for the third time: Who would you trust to make that examination?

They will never trust anything ... just like the long form birth certificate. They will ask and ask and, if someone gives them what they ask for, they will move the goalposts.



Who is this illusive "they" you speak of?

Heretics?

Did you trust BushCo when they implied that Saddam Hussein was involved in 9-11, and ASSURED us that they had Weapons of Mass Destruction?
 
2011-05-02 04:41:14 PM  

Farker T: From above: "Make the corpse available for thorough examination by a wide variety of internationally know and respected experts - including those whose agendas may not be aligned with those of the administration."


Yes, and, for the fourth time, which expert, specifically, would you trust to identify the corpse as bin Laden?
 
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