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(Sun Sentinel)   Segregation is making a comeback in Florida's public schools. This is not a repeat from the 1950s   (sun-sentinel.com) divider line 125
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2011-04-30 05:24:09 PM  
We already have de facto segregation in schools thanks to income disparities. Should it really be a surprise that people are using charter schools as a way to make doubly sure THOSE students aren't in their child's schools?
 
2011-04-30 05:30:17 PM  
I love the fact that the charter schools are not required to be tested or face the same restrictions and regulations as the public school.

So any taxpayer money goes straight to a company.

Good Jorb


Hows that workin' for ya?
 
2011-04-30 05:39:13 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: I love the fact that the charter schools are not required to be tested or face the same restrictions and regulations as the public school.


Except, you know, their charters -- which may in some cases be stricter than the regulations faced by a non-charter school.
 
2011-04-30 05:57:33 PM  

Chariset:
Except, you know, their charters -- which may in some cases be stricter than the regulations faced by a non-charter school.


That's a hole I could sail an aircraft carrier through.
 
2011-04-30 06:17:36 PM  

2wolves: Chariset:
Except, you know, their charters -- which may in some cases be stricter than the regulations faced by a non-charter school.

That's a hole I could sail an aircraft carrier through.


You can build a charter school in that hole.
 
2011-04-30 06:29:52 PM  
Charter schools are taxpayer-funded but privately run public schools. They are exempt from many regulations placed on mainstream schools and sometimes are not graded by the state.

OK, that's farked up right there.
 
2011-04-30 06:33:50 PM  
Don't call it a comeback. It's been here for years.
 
2011-04-30 06:59:24 PM  

Chariset: Except, you know, their charters -- which may in some cases be stricter than the regulations faced by a non-charter school.


FTFACharter schools are taxpayer-funded but privately run public schools. They are exempt from many regulations placed on mainstream schools and sometimes are not graded by the state.

They are only tougher standards if they "say" so. They have nothing backing it up. And no way to check. And why is my tax money going to private companies hands? If the parents want to send their kids their, they need to pay the price.
 
2011-04-30 07:06:58 PM  
gopher321:
Charter schools are taxpayer-funded but privately run public schools. They are exempt from many regulations placed on mainstream schools and sometimes are not graded by the state.

OK, that's farked up right there.


Not only that but they are paying more tax money per student than the public schools too for the pleasure of not having any regulations, standards or grading by the state. But its all okay, because the free market and maps and the Iraq.
 
2011-04-30 07:07:05 PM  
Joseph Littles-Nguzo Saba charter school in Palm Beach County offers an African-based curriculum for an enrollment that is 97 percent black, Principal Cleveland Bryant said.

"Our focus is on children of African-American origin," he said of the 230-student kindergarten through eighth-grade school in Riviera Beach. "The focus is on putting people in front of them who look like them.


David D. Duke charter school in Palm Beach County offers a Northern European based curriculum for an enrollment that is 97 percent white, Principal Maarten VanBoer said.

"Our focus is on children of White origin," he said of the 230-student kindergarten through eighth-grade school in Riviera Beach. "The focus is on putting people in front of them who look like them.


Sounds pretty evil, doesn't it?
 
2011-04-30 07:07:34 PM  

So does this mean busing will make a modified comeback?


www.ebonyinspired.com

 
2011-04-30 07:07:59 PM  
Just another reason to eliminate all taxpayer funding of education.

Public schools are fundamentally broken and cannot be fixed.
 
2011-04-30 07:09:09 PM  

John Dewey: We already have de facto segregation in schools thanks to income disparities. Should it really be a surprise that people are using charter schools as a way to make doubly sure THOSE students aren't in their child's schools?



tastefulcelebs.com
What do you mean THOSE?
 
2011-04-30 07:15:08 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Chariset: Except, you know, their charters -- which may in some cases be stricter than the regulations faced by a non-charter school.

FTFACharter schools are taxpayer-funded but privately run public schools. They are exempt from many regulations placed on mainstream schools and sometimes are not graded by the state.

They are only tougher standards if they "say" so. They have nothing backing it up. And no way to check. And why is my tax money going to private companies hands? If the parents want to send their kids their, they need to pay the price.



Now hold on there, champ. Some charter schools in my state were founded by* religious wingnuts.

Just want to make sure we're assigning blame to all the appropriate coonts involved here.


*Fortunately, though, that guy lost** his charter.

**So he simply changed the name and opened up the same school basically.

/I know I could google this for citation purposes but I took a break from doing some housework and the dog is on my lap making it a little hard to type. This was somewhere in Ohio, though. And I refuse to believe that other religiosos haven't also gotten their piece of the charter school tax money pie.
 
2011-04-30 07:15:23 PM  
We should have segregation in schools. Separate the smart from the stupid so that the teachers can more accurately shape the classroom curriculum to suit the needs of the children in question.

You'll still have racial diversity at all levels.
 
2011-04-30 07:17:49 PM  
Given the choice of wording, this article is obviously biased against charter schools. To suggest that they are not subject to regulation is absurd. Sure, it's rare for one to get shut down just like that, but many charter schools fail to have their charters renewed due to poor performance, unlike public schools which keep on keeping on using taxpayer dollars no matter how royally they screw the students. Think, people.
 
2011-04-30 07:19:43 PM  
Dang! My "v" in "coonts" got filter-pwned.

Maybe, though, if I had gone to some lying hypocrite's "christian" school I wouldn't feel compelled to use words like "khaunt" in the first place.

I wonder if my new version of that word will make it through . . . ?
 
2011-04-30 07:20:35 PM  
Hmm...not sure I have a big problem with this, as long as they are equally funded.

Product of a racially diverse school system...and by racially diverse I mean that the racial tensions in school was a big distraction to getting your learn on.
 
2011-04-30 07:20:41 PM  

chaoswolf: You'll still have racial diversity at all levels.



That's where you're wrong.
 
2011-04-30 07:21:21 PM  
Triumph!


Although, I must admit the new word looks pretty stupid.
 
2011-04-30 07:26:54 PM  
blacktvmag.files.wordpress.com

They're just keeping it real. Yeah, real dumb.
 
2011-04-30 07:27:01 PM  
Generally speaking charters are still bound by curricula requirements and other QC measures. The "many regulations" that they're exempt from are typically regulations on admissions (normal publics typically have to have a certain % of students from in-district) and transfer policies, it doesn't mean that you can decide not to teach biology or something. Institutions exempt from standardized testing are typically evaluated by much harsher performance measures and simply structured differently as an experiment in teaching style.

I mean, I guess Florida's charter system could be so dramatically different from the rest of the US as to be unrecognizable, but I'm thinking "some reporter is scaremongering using half-truths" as the far more likely explanation for this article.
 
2011-04-30 07:28:01 PM  
Public schools need to die. I grew up in the 70s and I was getting a bad education then. My mother got a better education in the 50s, and the public schools are even worse now than when I was growing up. They're just getting worse and worse and nothing is going to make public schools better.

Anyway, I'd like to see segregation between athletes and the rest of the student body. I hate jocks. I hate how everything is geared toward them. They're bullies and have a severe case of "entitlement" disorder.
 
2011-04-30 07:28:02 PM  
www.vator.tv
 
2011-04-30 07:28:04 PM  

dahmers love zombie: Joseph Littles-Nguzo Saba charter school in Palm Beach County offers an African-based curriculum for an enrollment that is 97 percent black, Principal Cleveland Bryant said.

"Our focus is on children of African-American origin," he said of the 230-student kindergarten through eighth-grade school in Riviera Beach. "The focus is on putting people in front of them who look like them.

David D. Duke charter school in Palm Beach County offers a Northern European based curriculum for an enrollment that is 97 percent white, Principal Maarten VanBoer said.

"Our focus is on children of White origin," he said of the 230-student kindergarten through eighth-grade school in Riviera Beach. "The focus is on putting people in front of them who look like them.

Sounds pretty evil, doesn't it?


If you completely ignore racial dynamics in America for the last half century, yes.
 
2011-04-30 07:29:09 PM  
Hey, we gave the coloreds about a half-century to prove that they could hang with us whiteys in the American classroom. What's the consensus now, hmm?
 
2011-04-30 07:30:03 PM  

dahmers love zombie: Sounds pretty evil, doesn't it?


Excellent way of making a good point.
 
2011-04-30 07:33:24 PM  
Wow. It's as though the state wants to establish a separate but equal school system. I wonder how that will work out.
 
2011-04-30 07:36:44 PM  
Specialized schooling is good. The teachers can build rapport with the students and parents that would be difficult to do so otherwise. Those teachers will closer to the community so when Johnny is not performing well or is getting in trouble, parents, teachers, and churches will know about it and can apply social pressure to keep him in line.

As long as the school works in the best interests of the students, I don't see why this is bad.
 
2011-04-30 07:39:42 PM  
In Georgia, some special ed types qualify for vouchers to attend private school. I have one kid that is really messed up, so he qualifies. We interviewed more than a handful of the approved private schools, and could not find even one that could handle, much less address his level of problems. We know of one in Washington or Oregon, but try shipping a foster out of state for education. No dice. Anyway, the voucher guarantees the school X number of dollars, but the school doesn't have to guarantee X level of quality in return. So, he stays in public classes, aggravating students and teachers alike, but he does get some education.

People, if your kid is more than half-way to normal, get them out of the public schools. They are being held down to the level of my kid. Idiocracy was supposed to be a work of fiction, not a future documentary.
 
2011-04-30 07:40:51 PM  
Of course, most of the schools with racial imbalances are the ones where parents of black kids wanted to get them out of the local, badly-run schools (or not-so-local, where they shipped the kids all over the place to "balance" things).

So they put their own kids in nearby charter schools, along with a bunch of other folks. So the charter school ended up looking like the neighborhood.

The reaction? "Sorry, we know you like getting a better education for your kids, and we know the charter schools will probably be safer for them overall, but we have a whole bunch of school district bureaucrats we're going to have to fire if we don't get the victims students back in the public school system..."
 
2011-04-30 07:42:04 PM  
"Our focus is on children of African-American origin," he said of the 230-student kindergarten through eighth-grade school in Riviera Beach. "The focus is on putting people in front of them who look like them."

When it's an act performed by the black community, it's progressive education. When it's performed by the white community, it's racism.

And for those who used the "How's that working out for ya " meme. actually it's working out quite well. The charter schools, regardless of race or creed, are producing graduates that can perform basic mathematics, carry on a semi-literate conversation, write a complete sentence and other life skills. Our public schools in Florida are producing retards and pole dancers.
 
2011-04-30 07:42:10 PM  
 
2011-04-30 07:44:31 PM  
We need to pass some laws that require that you have X% Black, X% White, X% Red, X% Yellow, X% Black/White mix, X% Red/Black mix, X% Yellow/Red mix, etc in each classroom

If you cannot get the correct ratio of students in the classroom, the excess of any type will be thrown out.

After all, the government needs to decide things based on the color of your skin, not the content of your character.

Apply the above ratios to employment, elected representatives, home ownership, etc
 
2011-04-30 07:47:04 PM  

Rodeodoc: Our public schools in Florida are producing retards and pole dancers.


And you aren't just whistling Dixie! (new window)
 
2011-04-30 07:57:07 PM  
And PeeWee tried so hard...Link (new window)
 
2011-04-30 07:58:20 PM  
Parents choose to send their kids to the charter school. The parents have to care. Given that, are these stats really a surprise?
 
2011-04-30 07:59:21 PM  

portscanner: We need to pass some laws that require that you have X% Black, X% White, X% Red, X% Yellow, X% Black/White mix, X% Red/Black mix, X% Yellow/Red mix, etc in each classroom


Plenty of universities already do that. "Sorry, we already have enough of your kind."
 
2011-04-30 08:00:14 PM  
Yeah, I'm from Alabama. The area where my parents live is still very much segregated in all aspects. The white people eat at the white restaurants, the black people eat at the black restaurants. The white kids go to the all white private school. The black kids go to the county school. The irony? it's less than 100 miles from Selma
 
2011-04-30 08:00:27 PM  

j0e_average: Rodeodoc: Our public schools in Florida are producing retards and pole dancers.

And you aren't just whistling Dixie! (new window)



From your link: (new window)

"JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- A gentleman's club is taking some heat over a recruiting campaign that targets recent graduates, Jacksonville TV station WJXT reported.

"The sign outside the Centerfold Lounge reads "Now hiring the graduating class of 2010."

Some people think the club should take it down, saying it lowers the bar for young people."


It may lower the bar, but it raises some poles.
 
2011-04-30 08:06:50 PM  

dahmers love zombie: Joseph Littles-Nguzo Saba charter school in Palm Beach County offers an African-based curriculum for an enrollment that is 97 percent black, Principal Cleveland Bryant said.

"Our focus is on children of African-American origin," he said of the 230-student kindergarten through eighth-grade school in Riviera Beach. "The focus is on putting people in front of them who look like them.

David D. Duke charter school in Palm Beach County offers a Northern European based curriculum for an enrollment that is 97 percent white, Principal Maarten VanBoer said.

"Our focus is on children of White origin," he said of the 230-student kindergarten through eighth-grade school in Riviera Beach. "The focus is on putting people in front of them who look like them.

Sounds pretty evil, doesn't it?


When I saw the bolded text, I said to myself "oh my God, there's no farking way. How does that school exist without getting protested into nothingness or even firebombed to the ground?"

Then I saw that you were just making a point about the other school, and said: "Oh. Hmm. Yeah, figures"

But for me to point out the obvious racist difference would somehow be racist on my part, so I should volunteer to be buried underneath this sort of PC bullshiat and thank the guy holding the shovel.
 
2011-04-30 08:09:12 PM  
You just aren't going to get an even amount of races in any school unless you do a whole lot of selective admissions, which will absolutely pi$$ everybody off and have the Lawyers working overtime again.

Back when desegregation began, we had a black school in a black neighborhood. Naturally, due to the times, it was about the krapiest looking school in the district, BUT the students loved it. They had a top notch marching band that put others to shame and a high grade football team.

Naturally, desegregation put an end to all of that and managed to generate a whole bunch of hard feelings. So did bussing the students all over the county.

They probably would have been better served by not breaking up the school, but plowing money into it and having nearby white kids start going to it. After white kids did start being 'forced' there, funding increased.

While we have all sorts of predominate citizens of all races trying to create understanding among races and break down stereotypes, we insist on filling the TV and movies with minorities depicted badly or 'documentaries' which concentrate mainly on the bad side.

While Bill Cosby was doing his family oriented show, 'reality' programs were popping up all over the place about 'life in da hood' and making sure everyone knew 'these people' were psychotically violent and liked it that way.

If I had to see one more show about Hispanic Traditional Family Values, where the men place honor above all and will readily kill for it, I think I'd have hurled. It didn't help to show documentaries about countries run by 'these people' where everyone was busily killing each other off and poverty was a life style.

When predominate minority businessmen are shown, the majority of the time they're displayed as self promoting themselves in such a way as to be embarrassing, or they seem all to be Rap producers, Rap singers or Promoters and mainly appear getting sued on court TV shows.

Then the current trend to find as many videos as possible about black girls starting fights everywhere they go and wrecking businesses, which gives the average impression that these ladies are NOT the gentle, loving caring type.

Yeah.

Just the type of folks you want your kids mixing with. Especially over nearly 40 years after desegregation and the establishment of equal rights.

This new trend is not all that surprising when you think about it.
 
2011-04-30 08:09:14 PM  
I have a lot of problems with this statistic, 12% vs 8% may seem significant, but when you choose an arbitrary cut off of 90% you have no idea how many schools are close to the line on either side, so I'm not sure how valuable it is, but anyway.

Reasons a charter school would be more segregated:

1.Charters tend to be smaller than public schools and tend to pull from a more concentrated geographic area. So unless that area is very diverse, you're going to reflect the immediate neighborhood.

2.Charter growth, especially in the first few years tends to come from word of mouth from happy parents. Havbe a lot of Mexican kids in year one. You get more Mexican kids in year two. I know we're all enlightend and post-racial and all, but honestly most people hang out with people near them who are like them. So you tend to get a racial snowball effect.

3.Larger school districts have developed a new tactic to avoid charges of segregation without angering people with forced busing. They put their special programs at schools in poor minority areas now. So you set up your gifted and talented, IB, or specialized fine arts programs as a "school within a school" at some school in the hood. White parents are happy because they're busing their kids there by choice, black parents are happy because their kids have equal opportunity, and the feds are happy because your school is more "diverse"... at least on paper. you can argue about whether this works or not, but it does give the illusion at least of a more integrated schools. Charters tend not to have the ability to draw draw on a massive student pool and funnel them between schools this way to make the statistics look better.

Also as an aside, though charters are relieved of certain oversight, civil rights law isn't one of them. You can't discriminate based on race.

/works for a public school district in the charter oversight office.
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2011-04-30 08:10:53 PM  

j0e_average: chaoswolf: You'll still have racial diversity at all levels.


That's where you're wrong.


I'd be willing to find out. Better that than have Billy Bob disrupting what could be a solid biology class with his idiotic religious ramblings. Stick the anti-intellectual retards together doing basic math and reading and them ship them off to trade school. Prime those that want it properly for real college.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with guiding the ignorant to jobs more suited to their limited intellectual capacity.
 
2011-04-30 08:13:50 PM  

skinink: So does this mean busing will make a modified comeback?


Saw a follow-up article about that picture. The black guy (who was just trying to get to city hall for some reason and wasn't part of any protest or counter-protest) is successful and doing well. The white guy remains a loser.

If I recall correctly.

Also if I recall correctly, Michael Moore loves that picture because that's how he likes to view America.
 
2011-04-30 08:16:45 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Wow. It's as though the state wants to establish a separate but equal school system. I wonder how that will work out.


Ask Canada:

Toronto's 1st Africentric school set to open
(new window)


www.cbc.ca
 
2011-04-30 08:16:49 PM  
FTFA: Racial imbalance is making a comeback in Florida's public schools with the new wave of charter schools springing up across the state.

Young fools... only now -- in the end -- do you understand.
 
2011-04-30 08:21:00 PM  

Calmamity: Don't call it a comeback. It's been here for years.


+1

//LL Cool J is proud.
 
2011-04-30 08:21:22 PM  

chaoswolf: We should have segregation in schools. Separate the smart from the stupid so that the teachers can more accurately shape the classroom curriculum to suit the needs of the children in question.

You'll still have racial diversity at all levels.


That's absurd, then children might learn. You're a despicable monster.
 
2011-04-30 08:23:13 PM  

hasty ambush: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Wow. It's as though the state wants to establish a separate but equal school system. I wonder how that will work out.

Ask Canada:

Toronto's 1st Africentric school set to open
(new window)


The administrative staff, the teachers, the parents - even the kids - are excited about the new school.

"I'm going to learn how to write the A, B, C, Ds," says Makeba Ofori-McRae in anticipation.

When Makeba enters Grade One she wants to "learn how to write the numbers. Then I'm going to colour."


I didn't realize the alphabet, colors and numbers were different for black people, no wonder they need their own schools. I applaud this brave endeavor.
/Wait I misspelled "retarded"
 
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