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2011-04-27 01:47:42 PM
Be able to =/= constantly track and keep information in a file
 
2011-04-27 01:54:44 PM
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesman and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what tomorrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said today. Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood. Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.
 
2011-04-27 01:54:59 PM
If that data can be used for future cell tower installation, I would be fine with it.
 
2011-04-27 01:55:35 PM

GAT_00: Be able to =/= constantly track and keep information in a file


What good is knowing where a cell phone is going when what you need to know is where it's been?
 
2011-04-27 01:55:46 PM
Submitter is why we can't have nice things.
 
2011-04-27 01:56:06 PM

amazing_live_seamonkeys: A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesman and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what tomorrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said today. Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood. Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.


No it isn't.
 
2011-04-27 01:56:53 PM
Per the article, the legislation dates back to 1996 (i.e., the Telecommunications Act of 1996) when cell phones weren't computers. Geek.com just reported on it in 2001.

As odd as it sounds, changes in circumstances may warrant a review of old laws. This should happen more often.
 
2011-04-27 01:58:16 PM

amazing_live_seamonkeys: A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesman and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what tomorrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said today. Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood. Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.


Transcendental, man!
 
2011-04-27 01:58:32 PM

MensRea: Per the article, the legislation dates back to 1996 (i.e., the Telecommunications Act of 1996) when cell phones weren't computers. Geek.com just reported on it in 2001.

As odd as it sounds, changes in circumstances may warrant a review of old laws. This should happen more often.


Change laws? What are you, a communist?
 
2011-04-27 01:58:59 PM

dittybopper: amazing_live_seamonkeys: A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesman and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what tomorrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said today. Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood. Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.

No it isn't.


All my consistencies are non-foolish.
 
2011-04-27 01:59:12 PM

Hypothetical Imperative: What good is knowing where a cell phone is going when what you need to know is where it's been?


You don't need to know where it was 6 months ago.
 
2011-04-27 01:59:19 PM
In the article: Apple users still not getting it.
 
2011-04-27 02:00:06 PM

amazing_live_seamonkeys: dittybopper: amazing_live_seamonkeys: A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesman and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what tomorrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said today. Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood. Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.

No it isn't.

All my consistencies are non-foolish.


Yet all of your ramblings are.
 
2011-04-27 02:00:32 PM

generallyso: Hypothetical Imperative: What good is knowing where a cell phone is going when what you need to know is where it's been?

You don't need to know where it was 6 months ago.


Why do you need to know where it is now?
 
2011-04-27 02:00:42 PM

generallyso: Hypothetical Imperative: What good is knowing where a cell phone is going when what you need to know is where it's been?

You don't need to know where it was 6 months ago.


THIS.
 
2011-04-27 02:00:48 PM
well there's your problem right there.
 
2011-04-27 02:01:53 PM

MensRea: As odd as it sounds, changes in circumstances may warrant a review of old laws. This should happen more often.


Yeah, we don't like that enhanced 911 capability! I may die in a ditch with nobody knowing where I am, but I will be happy knowing that no one can find me.
 
2011-04-27 02:02:52 PM

HatMadeOfAss: Yet all of your ramblings are.


Oh, great. Murat's drunk again.
 
2011-04-27 02:03:32 PM
What does it matter? Everyone with iPhone posts where they are 24/7 as a facebook and twitter status anyway.

Good luck tracking my telegraph signals you modernists!
 
2011-04-27 02:03:53 PM

GameSprocket: MensRea: As odd as it sounds, changes in circumstances may warrant a review of old laws. This should happen more often.

Yeah, we don't like that enhanced 911 capability! I may die in a ditch with nobody knowing where I am, but I will be happy knowing that no one can find me.


Wow, that is a huge, absurd jump right there. Did you think that out before you typed it?
 
2011-04-27 02:04:27 PM

generallyso: Hypothetical Imperative: What good is knowing where a cell phone is going when what you need to know is where it's been?

You don't need to know where it was 6 months ago.


Unless you're a terrurururist.

Are you trying to stop the brave warriors of the U.S. Government from tracking down these dangerous threats to your freedoms who're plotting to kill your childrens as we speak?

They need to know who you are, where you were, and what you were doing, and what books you might have checked out of the library during that time. Unless you have something to hide...?

Do you have something to hide...?

/9-11.
//9-11. 9-11.
 
2011-04-27 02:04:31 PM

HatMadeOfAss: amazing_live_seamonkeys: dittybopper: amazing_live_seamonkeys: A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesman and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what tomorrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said today. Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood. Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.

No it isn't.

All my consistencies are non-foolish.

Yet all of your ramblings are.


So I fit in here then?
 
2011-04-27 02:05:23 PM
Old news is new again. Nothing was done then nothing will be done now. It damn well better be a brave new world.



Opposed to Wiretap Amnesty? Run a TV Ad for Six Bucks
 
2011-04-27 02:05:26 PM
I know, right?
 
2011-04-27 02:05:33 PM

MensRea: GameSprocket: MensRea: As odd as it sounds, changes in circumstances may warrant a review of old laws. This should happen more often.

Yeah, we don't like that enhanced 911 capability! I may die in a ditch with nobody knowing where I am, but I will be happy knowing that no one can find me.

Wow, that is a huge, absurd jump right there. Did you think that out before you typed it?


The article mentions it.
 
2011-04-27 02:06:14 PM

amazing_live_seamonkeys: HatMadeOfAss: amazing_live_seamonkeys: dittybopper: amazing_live_seamonkeys: A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesman and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what tomorrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said today. Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood. Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.

No it isn't.

All my consistencies are non-foolish.

Yet all of your ramblings are.

So I fit in here then?


Yes.
 
2011-04-27 02:06:17 PM
It's certainly a good thing to remember that all cell phones, even carrying a "dumb" cell phone means that your location is constantly tracked via cell phone triangulation.

It's also worth remembering that when the Bush administration requested that the telecom providers allow wholesale warrantless spying on Americans, only one large telecom provider had any sort of legal problem with that.

Among the big telecommunications companies, only Qwest has refused to help the NSA, the sources said. According to multiple sources, Qwest declined to participate because it was uneasy about the legal implications of handing over customer information to the government without warrants.
 
2011-04-27 02:06:33 PM

HatMadeOfAss: amazing_live_seamonkeys: dittybopper: amazing_live_seamonkeys: A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesman and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what tomorrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said today. Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood. Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.

No it isn't.

All my consistencies are non-foolish.

Yet all of your ramblings are.


It is a tale
Told by an idiot,
full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

/out, out, brief candle!
 
2011-04-27 02:07:54 PM
 
2011-04-27 02:08:36 PM

MensRea: GameSprocket: MensRea: As odd as it sounds, changes in circumstances may warrant a review of old laws. This should happen more often.

Yeah, we don't like that enhanced 911 capability! I may die in a ditch with nobody knowing where I am, but I will be happy knowing that no one can find me.

Wow, that is a huge, absurd jump right there. Did you think that out before you typed it?


Yeah, huge jump. The law in question required location services in order to support enhanced 911. You imply that this old law should be reviewed (to be fair, you didn't say repealed). Therefore, the functionality of enhanced 911 should be removed in order to not allow cell users to be tracked.

Sure, I just got in from the Politics tag, so I am probably more willing to extend an argument than I would be if I had been talking with sane humans, but this is still not a big jump.
 
2011-04-27 02:08:37 PM

DigitalCoffee: It is a tale
Told by an idiot,
full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

/out, out, brief candle!


You callin' me an idiot?

Wanna fight?

/ITG
 
2011-04-27 02:09:20 PM

amazing_live_seamonkeys: dittybopper: amazing_live_seamonkeys: A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesman and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what tomorrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said today. Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood. Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.

No it isn't.

All my consistencies are non-foolish.


No they aren't.
 
2011-04-27 02:09:29 PM

HatMadeOfAss: amazing_live_seamonkeys: HatMadeOfAss: amazing_live_seamonkeys: dittybopper: amazing_live_seamonkeys: A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesman and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what tomorrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said today. Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood. Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.

No it isn't.

All my consistencies are non-foolish.

Yet all of your ramblings are.

So I fit in here then?

Yes.


I came here for an argument.
 
2011-04-27 02:10:03 PM
Let's bring up people in paranoia, and let's elect them into office, despite their not knowing how things work outside of Blatherskite West Virginia.


I'm sorry. I wouldn't mind your freakish, nonsensical obsession with marginal, possible, conspiratiortinal issues with the President of the United States of America and the Commander in Chief, were you people just blathering on cable TV like Fox and the equally-respectable Jesse Ventura.
 
2011-04-27 02:10:05 PM

thamike: MensRea: GameSprocket: MensRea: As odd as it sounds, changes in circumstances may warrant a review of old laws. This should happen more often.

Yeah, we don't like that enhanced 911 capability! I may die in a ditch with nobody knowing where I am, but I will be happy knowing that no one can find me.

Wow, that is a huge, absurd jump right there. Did you think that out before you typed it?

The article mentions it.


I realize that. But the concern of the article is not the ability to track 911 calls; it has to do with the expanded capabilities of cell phones and information kept on same.
 
2011-04-27 02:10:33 PM

fluffy2097: In the article: Apple usersapologists still not getting itgiving a shiat.


I'm not concerned about boneheads with no self-interest who don't care if their devices are doing Bad Things. That's their problem. If you want to carry around a phone that keeps a log of where you've been that's your problem.

What irks me are the jerkwads that try to make it out like those devices aren't even doing Bad Things to begin with or sit around making excuses about it.
 
2011-04-27 02:10:51 PM

CygnusDarius: I came here for an argument


that's the thread next door.
 
2011-04-27 02:11:41 PM

CygnusDarius: HatMadeOfAss: amazing_live_seamonkeys: HatMadeOfAss: amazing_live_seamonkeys: dittybopper: amazing_live_seamonkeys: A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesman and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what tomorrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said today. Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood. Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.

No it isn't.

All my consistencies are non-foolish.

Yet all of your ramblings are.

So I fit in here then?

Yes.

I came here for an argument.


No you didn't.
 
2011-04-27 02:11:52 PM

Mirrorz: What does it matter? Everyone with iPhone posts where they are 24/7 as a facebook and twitter status anyway.

Good luck tracking my telegraph signals you modernists!


Actually, I used to do just that for an actual job, and not all that long ago.

Technically, it was wireless Morse signals instead of wired ones, but so what?

/Still does it for fun.
 
2011-04-27 02:11:53 PM
Apples and oranges! Congress in 2001 and congress in 2011 are different! No connection!

th165.photobucket.com

Apples and oranges! Apples and oranges! Apples and oranges! Apples and oranges! Apples and oranges! Apples and oranges! Apples and oranges! Apples and oranges! Apples and oranges! Apples and oranges!

th636.photobucket.com

Bananas too!
 
2011-04-27 02:12:13 PM

GameSprocket: You imply that this old law should be reviewed (to be fair, you didn't say repealed). Therefore, the functionality of enhanced 911 should be removed in order to not allow cell users to be tracked.


No, that's too big of jump to make from my statement given the actual point of the article. Also, see my previous response to another commenter.
 
2011-04-27 02:12:26 PM

amazing_live_seamonkeys: CygnusDarius: HatMadeOfAss: amazing_live_seamonkeys: HatMadeOfAss: amazing_live_seamonkeys: dittybopper: amazing_live_seamonkeys: A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesman and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what tomorrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said today. Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood. Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.

No it isn't.

All my consistencies are non-foolish.

Yet all of your ramblings are.

So I fit in here then?

Yes.

I came here for an argument.

No you didn't.


Yes he did!
 
2011-04-27 02:12:43 PM
Also,

Blatherskite.

/ favorite word of the day, thought it was worth saying. Lots and lots of blatherskites about.
 
2011-04-27 02:12:46 PM

MensRea: thamike: MensRea: GameSprocket: MensRea: As odd as it sounds, changes in circumstances may warrant a review of old laws. This should happen more often.

Yeah, we don't like that enhanced 911 capability! I may die in a ditch with nobody knowing where I am, but I will be happy knowing that no one can find me.

Wow, that is a huge, absurd jump right there. Did you think that out before you typed it?

The article mentions it.

I realize that. But the concern of the article is not the ability to track 911 calls; it has to do with the expanded capabilities of cell phones and information kept on same.


All I'm saying is that a huge, absurd jump didn't occur.
 
2011-04-27 02:14:05 PM

maxheck: Also,

Blatherskite.

/ favorite word of the day, thought it was worth saying. Lots and lots of blatherskites about.


Holy balls! Blatherskite. It's perfect.
 
2011-04-27 02:14:36 PM

GameSprocket: MensRea: GameSprocket: MensRea: As odd as it sounds, changes in circumstances may warrant a review of old laws. This should happen more often.

Yeah, we don't like that enhanced 911 capability! I may die in a ditch with nobody knowing where I am, but I will be happy knowing that no one can find me.

Wow, that is a huge, absurd jump right there. Did you think that out before you typed it?

Yeah, huge jump. The law in question required location services in order to support enhanced 911. You imply that this old law should be reviewed (to be fair, you didn't say repealed). Therefore, the functionality of enhanced 911 should be removed in order to not allow cell users to be tracked.

Sure, I just got in from the Politics tag, so I am probably more willing to extend an argument than I would be if I had been talking with sane humans, but this is still not a big jump.


I think a review of the law would produce something like a caveat stating that the information cannot be used for advertising, cannot be sold/traded, etc.

Or we can go full derp.
 
2011-04-27 02:15:25 PM

Hypothetical Imperative: generallyso: Hypothetical Imperative: What good is knowing where a cell phone is going when what you need to know is where it's been?

You don't need to know where it was 6 months ago.

Why do you need to know where it is now?


Some people like their cell phones to work.
 
2011-04-27 02:16:22 PM
Apple is in trouble for keeping the record of the locations w/o consent, not because its phone can track the location of users.
 
2011-04-27 02:16:26 PM
The most paranoid idea I have ever conceived involved this very thing...

Say the US is going to war with China. China knows it can only get a few air strikes in before we realize who is attacking us and they need it to count. How could they go about doing this? You could go by city, we all know L.A. has a huge population, but they don't want to drop nukes. Maybe they want to drop ground troops, but where would be the best place to drop them in Chicago?

Cell phone location data would be extremely useful in that type of scenario... real-time population density mapping
 
2011-04-27 02:16:28 PM

Mirrorz: What does it matter? Everyone with iPhone posts where they are 24/7 as a facebook and twitter status anyway.

Good luck tracking my telegraph signals you modernists!


There's an app for that.
 
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