Go Bengals!

Ranger Joe: First Energy is working for ME!

Oh jeez, I haven't lived there for years - do they still play those commercials?

Please... there is no alarm. Your coffee still tastes just as shiatty as before.

Radiation found at nuclear plant? Get out.

/dnrtfa

Had to be either Perry or Davis-Besse.

I've sailed past that plant a few times on Erie. It would explain why the boat suddenly had a strange growth on the hull.

karmaceutical:
The good news being that this plant is strategically positioned on the largest fresh water supply in North America. So, everybody gets a taste when First Energy finally completes the ultimate farkup.

How could you refuse a 90lb three-headed walleye?

/feedin' the youngin's cheap.............

Beware of the impending Dollpocalypse.

http://browse.deviantart.com/?q=retrofitart&order=9&offset=0#/d31qb5o

I would have no problem with Ohio melting through the Earth. I mean, my parents came from there but there's no reason to go back anymore. Except maybe to see the R&R HOF.

Lovely! We live about 15 miles from there. Would have been nice to hear about this when it happened... last week.

Just remember kids, our governor thinks that businesses are OVER regulated.

That's right, businesses won't come here if they have to follow things like "laws".

The article reads like a press release.

We have nothing to fear but primordial fear itself.


Primordial fear: why radiation is so scary

"Anything that can penetrate inside our bodies fills us with apprehension, and triggers an ancestral, or ancient, fear," said Herve Chneiweiss, a neurologist at the Centre for Psychiatry and Neuroscience at Universite Paris Descartes.

I love how the news media plays on ignorance, panic and fear.

And its not steam coming out of the cooling tower, its water vapor.

This is news, but really a borning non story.

Wonderful, that's across the lake from me. I hate that when I go to the lake, I can see both Fermi II and Davis-Besse. I think with some binoculars on a calm day, I may be able to see Perry as well.

StewMcG: Lovely! We live about 15 miles from there. Would have been nice to hear about this when it happened... last week.

If it makes you feel better this kind of shiat is happening all the time at nuclear plants. They're just reporting every single thing now because of the crisis in Japan people are all hyped up.

/Note: This may not actually make you feel better

so, it's Ohio, Michigan's Mexico.

The_Sponge: There's a world of difference between saying there are some regulations that could be peeled back and supporting anarchy.

I highly doubt that anyone will make that distinction in a practical way. Distinctions melt away when supporters of nuclear power show up. For another example, look at how supposed "experts" and laymen alike say nuclear power is safe and reliable and has a great track record. They do not account for lairs, bribes, the way science and safety are always undermined in every industry for shareholders to make profits, and ubiquitous government cutbacks to regulation.

karmaceutical: The good news being that this plant is strategically positioned on the largest fresh water supply in North America. So, everybody gets a taste when First Energy finally completes the ultimate farkup.

Nah. I live in Philadelphia. We don't get fresh water.

It must be like air freshener for Ohio.

I kinda like my little corner of Ohio. What's with all the hate?

phial: StewMcG: Lovely! We live about 15 miles from there. Would have been nice to hear about this when it happened... last week.

If it makes you feel better this kind of shiat is happening all the time at nuclear plants. They're just reporting every single thing now because of the crisis in Japan people are all hyped up.

/Note: This may not actually make you feel better

The news has been reporting this kind of non-story stuff at nuclear plants since forever. Every unexpected shutdown, every little fire event anywhere on the site and any unexpected radiation exposure events get big long panic articles about them all the time. Only now, since Fukushima, they are Fark front page material now.

Great...

"High"

How many Bananas are we talking about here?

Bennie Crabtree: The_Sponge: There's a world of difference between saying there are some regulations that could be peeled back and supporting anarchy.

I highly doubt that anyone will make that distinction in a practical way. Distinctions melt away when supporters of nuclear power show up. For another example, look at how supposed "experts" and laymen alike say nuclear power is safe and reliable and has a great track record. They do not account for lairs, bribes, the way science and safety are always undermined in every industry for shareholders to make profits, and ubiquitous government cutbacks to regulation.

Except that it is safe, reliable, and has a great track record when you compare it to any other energy generation industry of its magnitude and breadth, by any measure.

Even including Fukushima, which was not caused by any negligence or malpractice and is an extremely rare event, in the face of extraordinary circumstances no one has died or is expected to die due to the radioactive nature of these plants, most of the potential release by all of these reactors has been contained and it is projected that the vast majority of the evacuated area will be redeveloped and resettled.

Compare that situation above to an airplane crash, or a natural gas explosion in the California suburbs.

Now about your comment about regulation corruption here's some food for thought: As far as I'm aware (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) the NRC is the only regulatory agency I'm aware of in the US that is not simultaneously an advocate for it's technology (that duty falls within the DoE-NE division). The FAA for example has as its mission statement to both promote and regulate air travel. The Minerals Management service, made famous during Deepwater, was also a combined advocacy/regulation group. These are examples of conflicts of interest that are present in other industries that are not part of how the nuclear industry is regulated.

BlankSlate: karmaceutical: The good news being that this plant is strategically positioned on the largest fresh water supply in North America. So, everybody gets a taste when First Energy finally completes the ultimate farkup.

Nah. I live in Philadelphia. We don't get fresh water.

I live just outside of Philly and we have a bunch of plants around us. Limerick, Peach Bottom, Oyster Creek, Salem.

From other sources the material/detector was not properly shielded after being removed from the reactor, the employee worn monitors radiation activated as they approached and the three workers left the area. They estimate that one worker recieved the equivalent radiation dose of 3 x-rays.

But since that isnt nearly as OMFGBBQ! as quoting how many millions of people live within 50 miles and suggesting that there was some danger to the surrounding area, please, carry on.

Fizpez: From other sources the material/detector was not properly shielded after being removed from the reactor, the employee worn monitors radiation activated as they approached and the three workers left the area. They estimate that one worker recieved the equivalent radiation dose of 3 x-rays."

"Unexpectedly High Levels" = "Anything greater than background."


But since that isnt nearly as OMFGBBQ! as quoting how many millions of people live within 50 miles and suggesting that there was some danger to the surrounding area, please, carry on.

Journalism was dead and buried years ago. Facts are boring. Welcome to the age of the 24-hour Ratings Wars.
OMFGBBQ(are you watching us yet? We've got ad space to sell)Z!

/ACTION GRAPHIC!
//PICTURE OF BLAZING FIRE! (At a gas refinery or something... the public won't farking know...)
///DRAMATIC MUSICAL SCORE!

belhade: I would have no problem with Ohio melting through the Earth. I mean, my parents came from there but there's no reason to go back anymore. Except maybe to see the R&R HOF.

Save your money. I live half hour away and have yet to go there. Heard it was boring and waste of time from many people.

'Unexpectedly', eh no. I think everyone I know from that area expects it to blow one of these days.

OT, R&R Hall : if you dig rocker's clothing, it's the #1 place to go. Easiest thing for the artists to do was raid their closet and dig out all the old outfits they never (or can't) wear anymore. Musical instruments? The Hall could use more of those. When Ozzy dies, I will lobby for him to be preserved Jeremy Bentham style and propped up in the front lobby. Now that would be a draw.

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Those poor people who work at the plant may have been exposed to the amount of radiation in a single x-ray, maybe even as much as two. It is definitely time to shut down nuclear power. Time to panic

GrySovCob: Except that it is safe, reliable, and has a great track record when you compare it to any other energy generation industry of its magnitude and breadth, by any measure.


Why would anyone be dumb enough to trust the people who collect the data, when we know damned well that there are hundreds of millions of dollars to be made by covering problems up?

Also, I have decided to make nuclear power my bridge of choice. It concerns me so.

Bennie Crabtree: GrySovCob: Except that it is safe, reliable, and has a great track record when you compare it to any other energy generation industry of its magnitude and breadth, by any measure.


Why would anyone be dumb enough to trust the people who collect the data, when we know damned well that there are hundreds of millions of dollars to be made by covering problems up?

Also, I have decided to make nuclear power my bridge of choice. It concerns me so.

Don't trust the data

Make up your own facts

jdmac: Don't trust the data

Make up your own facts

Or, you know. research how environmental laws work and how industries are punished and policed. It's a not like the data is being collected by scientists for use by scientists and protection of humans. It is being collected by technicians for use by lawyers to protect businesses. It's not like I'm denying global warming or some conspiracy theory. I'm talking about law and business ethics in actual practice.

Bennie Crabtree: Why would anyone be dumb enough to trust the people who collect the data, when we know damned well that there are hundreds of millions of dollars to be made by covering problems up?

I agree, which is why I question the whole global-warming conclusion in the first place.

I AM CURRENTLY AT PERRY NUCLEAR POWER PLANT WORKING.

The short version:

An incore had to be removed.
Radiation levels were much higher than expected.
The workers were pulled back and the drywell was evacuated as a precaution until the "nature of the beast" was known.
Shouting matches ensued, then schedule pressure happened.
The plant did not declare Very High Radiation Area (VHRA), which is considered "Grave Danger" by law and regulation, and let people back into the building.
This constitutes willful violation of regulation.
The NRC is not, shall we say, pleased about it.

That's it. Radiation levels are not up outside the drywell as far as I know let alone the building. As far as I know, no workers have blown their federal radiation limits.

SERIOUSLY. That is from one of the guys who was working directly with this.

/so please, feel free to chill
//this is not another Fukushima, mkay?
///core's fine, fuel pool's fine, hell I was on the fuel bridge last night

Ringshadow: Radiation levels were much higher than expected.

Care to give any numbers?

MrSteve007: Ringshadow: Radiation levels were much higher than expected.

Care to give any numbers?

I'm a Junior working Balance of Plant: I don't have that information and even if I had it, I really don't feel like getting fired for further talking about an ongoing NRC investigation or some crap. I imagine the NRC knows and their findings tend to be public domain, so keep an eye on them.

/hoping not to get in trouble as it is
//other farkers are nuke workers
///hi, anyone else in the FENOC system!

Ringshadow: I'm a Junior working Balance of Plant: I don't have that information and even if I had it, I really don't feel like getting fired for further talking about an ongoing NRC investigation or some crap. I imagine the NRC knows and their findings tend to be public domain, so keep an eye on them.

So if you can't give any numbers, how about on a scale, between:

-Bananas are yummy

-Meh, just a couple x-rays

-Ehh, you'd get a max annual dosage if you stuck around too long

-Woah, you're now sterile.

-Ahhh, my face is melting.

Pants full of macaroni!!: Had to be either Perry or Davis-Besse.

I don't entirely understand why First Energy is even allowed near nuclear plants with the issues they seem to keep having