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(Talking Points Memo)   Clearly embarassed at having been caught uttering a good idea in public, John Boehner wants you to know that he now feels that ending government subsidies for the oil industry is actually a tax increase   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 179
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2011-04-26 04:23:41 PM
John Boehner thinks everything is a tax increase.

Withholding funds they didn't earn themselves? Tax increase.
Retiring a non-standard break? Tax increase.
Ending a sale? Tax increase.
Particularly rough bowel movement? Tax increase.
 
2011-04-26 04:45:34 PM
Boehner should be drawn and quartered.
 
2011-04-26 04:49:56 PM
Boner's a dick.
 
2011-04-26 04:53:06 PM
cache.gawker.com

goddamnit
 
2011-04-26 04:58:47 PM
Perhaps the check cleared.
 
2011-04-26 05:01:24 PM
Doesn't this mean getting rid of welfare, medicare and social security would also be tax increases?
 
2011-04-26 05:02:12 PM

lennavan: Doesn't this mean getting rid of welfare, medicare and social security would also be tax increases?


Welcome to my Favorites.
 
2011-04-26 05:07:21 PM
Sympathy for the oil industry? I farking think not.
 
2011-04-26 05:08:29 PM
In a world where up is down and down is up and it keeps changing every week, it is easy to get confused (and puke on your own shoes).
 
2011-04-26 05:28:11 PM
Well, thank 'god'. I was worried that I might have accidentally divided by zero when I found myself agreeing with a GOP politician.

whew. The world makes sense again.

See, here's the thing: If the GOP think it's a bad idea, chances are, it's good for most Americans. If they think it's a good idea, you should keep your ass firmly pressed against the wall behind you.
 
2011-04-26 05:28:36 PM

lennavan: Doesn't this mean getting rid of welfare, medicare and social security would also be tax increases?


Shut uuuupppp!
 
2011-04-26 05:30:56 PM
Walk it back, Boehner, walk it back as quickly as you can. Maybe no one will notice.
 
2011-04-26 05:32:04 PM
Heh, called it yesterday. Not that I have to Nostrafarkingdamus or anything to see this coming.
 
2011-04-26 05:32:26 PM

lennavan: Doesn't this mean getting rid of welfare, medicare and social security would also be tax increases?


No, because of vouchers, dummy. Free-market healthcare coupons are better for America than socialism.
 
2011-04-26 05:36:09 PM
Obama's plan to instead spend that money on alternative energy will go much farther towards reducing oil prices. You can't just subsidize oil forever to make it affordable. You have to cut demand to cut price, which is the exact opposite of what subsidies do. Subsidies in fact increase price, both directly by increasing demand and the speed at which we will run out of oil (giving us less time develop alternatives) and indirectly by increasing taxes or lowering other services.

Every Prius or Volt on the road goes further towards reducing the price of oil than any tax cut or subsidy for oil companies ever could.
 
2011-04-26 05:36:23 PM
theorellior

lennavan: Doesn't this mean getting rid of welfare, medicare and social security would also be tax increases?

No, because of vouchers, dummy. Free-market healthcare coupons are better for America than socialism.


actually I don't need anything. Now stop the extra taxing for that SS Ponzi scheme and I would do just fine.
 
2011-04-26 05:37:12 PM
Boehner apparently forgot that the oil corporations own the GOP.
 
2011-04-26 05:38:31 PM

winterwhile: actually I don't need anything.


I'd say you could look into a few Photoshop classes while you're at it.
 
2011-04-26 05:39:41 PM
So we either let the government give big oil our american tax money, or let big oil fark americans at the pump. I say let them fark the ones who use the gas.
 
2011-04-26 05:39:47 PM
As reported in Politico on Tuesday morning, team Boehner said the Speaker's openness to talking oil subsidies was part of staying on the right side of that political hotbutton, which Obama has acknowledged will not be an easy one for any political side to solve.

"[Boehner] simply wasn't going to take the bait and fall into the trap of defending 'Big Oil' companies," Steel told Politico. "Boehner believes, as he stated in the interview, that expanding despite not doing so for the past 10 years, more tax breaks for giant corporations will expand American energy production will help lower gas prices and create more American jobs."


He went on to say, "Whoops, I guess I did defend Big Oil", and started laughing so hard his tears needed to be wiped away the campaign contributions of oil lobbyists.
 
2011-04-26 05:40:16 PM
I see Norquist got to him.
 
2011-04-26 05:40:52 PM
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2011-04-26 05:41:48 PM
Fail.

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2011-04-26 05:42:27 PM
Ending subsidies will... increase taxes? Ending a federal program will increase taxes? So why try to... cut... spending if it will only increase taxes? My brain... it hurts... I need to lie down for a moment.

Have we always been at war with Eastasia or Oceania?
 
2011-04-26 05:42:52 PM

winterwhile: actually I don't need anything


Oh, well if you don't need anything then we should probably scrap everything. Stop the funding of roads and streetlights and stoplights and police and fire protection cuz Winterwhile got his and doesn't need it.
 
2011-04-26 05:43:29 PM
B..b..b..but, Free Market!!
 
2011-04-26 05:44:02 PM
that means he'll oppose budget cuts to social programs right? Don't want a tax increase on the poor or elderly.

Right John?
 
2011-04-26 05:45:59 PM
cutting taxes = higher taxes gaiz!
 
2011-04-26 05:46:31 PM
April 25th:

"Everybody wants to go after the oil companies and, frankly, they've got some part of this to blame," the Ohio Republican told ABC News today.

Blame aside, what about the cold, hard cash -- the billions of dollars in tax breaks and other subsidies big oil receives every year? President Obama has proposed doing away with many of them, which he says would save $45 billion over the next 10 years.

"It's certainly something we should be looking at," Boehner said. "We're in a time when the federal government's short on revenues. They ought to be paying their fair share."

April 26:

"The Speaker wants to increase the supply of American energy and reduce our dependence on foreign oil, and he is only interested in reforms that actually lower energy costs and create American jobs," Boehner spokesperson Michael Steel said in a statement. "Unfortunately, what the President has suggested so far would simply raise taxes and increase the price at the pump."

"[Boehner] simply wasn't going to take the bait and fall into the trap of defending 'Big Oil' companies," Steel told Politico. "Boehner believes, as he stated in the interview, that expanding American energy production will help lower gas prices and create more American jobs."

Hmm. This makes sense to somebody. Not me, but somebody.
 
2011-04-26 05:48:16 PM
Boehner, shut up.
 
2011-04-26 05:50:58 PM

Lando Lincoln: April 25th:

"Everybody wants to go after the oil companies and, frankly, they've got some part of this to blame," the Ohio Republican told ABC News today.

Blame aside, what about the cold, hard cash -- the billions of dollars in tax breaks and other subsidies big oil receives every year? President Obama has proposed doing away with many of them, which he says would save $45 billion over the next 10 years.

"It's certainly something we should be looking at," Boehner said. "We're in a time when the federal government's short on revenues. They ought to be paying their fair share."

April 26:

"The Speaker wants to increase the supply of American energy and reduce our dependence on foreign oil, and he is only interested in reforms that actually lower energy costs and create American jobs," Boehner spokesperson Michael Steel said in a statement. "Unfortunately, what the President has suggested so far would simply raise taxes and increase the price at the pump."

"[Boehner] simply wasn't going to take the bait and fall into the trap of defending 'Big Oil' companies," Steel told Politico. "Boehner believes, as he stated in the interview, that expanding American energy production will help lower gas prices and create more American jobs."

Hmm. This makes sense to somebody. Not me, but somebody.


I think it makes perfect sense to this guy:
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2011-04-26 05:51:19 PM
Lol at all the liberals who like to use oil while complaining about where it comes from. Way to bite the hand that feeds you.
 
2011-04-26 05:53:20 PM
Obama should come out in favor of breathing.

Republican opposition solved.
 
2011-04-26 05:53:22 PM

Penman: Lol at all the liberals who like to use oil while complaining about where it comes from.


If only automobiles ran on strawmen. You'd be a millionaire.
 
2011-04-26 05:55:36 PM

Spanky_McFarksalot: Obama should come out in favor of breathing.

Republican opposition solved.


I wish Obama come out in favor of bigger tax cuts for the wealthy, just to see GOP heads asplode.
 
2011-04-26 05:55:44 PM

Penman: Lol at all the liberals who like to use oil while complaining about where it comes from. Way to bite the hand that feeds you.


I thought liberals were all smug hybrid-driving douchebags...

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2011-04-26 05:56:20 PM

Sleeping Monkey: So we either let the government give big oil our american tax money, or let big oil fark americans at the pump. I say let them fark the ones who use the gas.


I have an honest question, how much does ending oil subsidies work out in cost/per gallon?

Like, say we gave X amount of money to oil companies each year, and they provide Y gallons of gas to Americans per year. How much is X/Y? How much would they have to raise gas prices to break even?

According to this (new window), subsidies are about $4 billion a year. And according to this (new window), Americans use 140 billion gallons of gas a year.

Therefore, each person would pay 2.86 cents extra per gallon for the oil companies to make up for the lost subsidies. I'm ok with that.

I'm sure there's at least one flaw in my thinking. Comments?
 
2011-04-26 05:56:38 PM

Penman: Lol at all the liberals who like to use oil while complaining about where it comes from. Way to bite the hand that feeds you.


You really are a dismal, no-talent troll.

Please go play with yourself.
 
2011-04-26 05:57:16 PM

Penman: Lol at all the liberals who like to use oil while complaining about where it comes from. Way to bite the hand that feeds you.


Most Liberals I know want to pump money into research for new renewable energy sources for our vehicles so we don't have to be dependent on a resource that will run out soon.
 
2011-04-26 05:58:16 PM

Penman: Lol at all the liberals who like to use oil while complaining about where it comes from. Way to bite the hand that feeds you.


Uhm I thought we were complaining about how the oil industry, which is getting record profits, is also getting subsidies. Do you have any proof of the contrary in this thread? Do you agree with Wunder Boehner when he says that ending subsidies to oil companies would be the equivalent of raising taxes? If so, would you please explain to us how that could happen since we have a hard time believing that cutting subsidies could require money instead of freeing up funds.
 
2011-04-26 05:58:26 PM
Lol Libruls. I troll U!!
 
2011-04-26 05:59:20 PM

Warlordtrooper: Most Liberals I know want to pump money into research for new renewable energy sources for our vehicles so we don't have to be dependent on a resource that will run out soon.


As a libtard I would also prefer not to send my gas dollars to prop up authoritarian regimes like Saudi Arabia, Nigeria and Venezuela.
 
2011-04-26 06:00:31 PM
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2011-04-26 06:06:47 PM
They pay ZERO in taxes while making BILLIONS. Shouldn't they have a tax increase?
 
2011-04-26 06:08:02 PM
They pay ZERO in taxes while making BILLIONS. Shouldn't they have a tax increase?

No, because that PUNISHES success.
 
2011-04-26 06:10:15 PM

otherginger: They pay ZERO in taxes while making BILLIONS. Shouldn't they have a tax increase?

No, because that PUNISHES success.


Taxes are not punishment, they're a duty that patriotic companies should want to pay to show some appreciation for the country that supports their success.
 
2011-04-26 06:11:44 PM

Infernalist: otherginger: They pay ZERO in taxes while making BILLIONS. Shouldn't they have a tax increase?

No, because that PUNISHES success.

Taxes are not punishment, they're a duty that patriotic companies should want to pay to show some appreciation for the country that supports their success.


There is no such thing as a patriotic corporation. Corporations exist for one reason, to make a profit. Profit-motive comes before patriotism every time. It's the law.
 
2011-04-26 06:12:58 PM
What a flip-floppy boner he is.
 
2011-04-26 06:14:43 PM

Pincy: Infernalist: otherginger: They pay ZERO in taxes while making BILLIONS. Shouldn't they have a tax increase?

No, because that PUNISHES success.

Taxes are not punishment, they're a duty that patriotic companies should want to pay to show some appreciation for the country that supports their success.

There is no such thing as a patriotic corporation. Corporations exist for one reason, to make a profit. Profit-motive comes before patriotism every time. It's the law.


Which is precisely why corporations must be forced to pay higher taxes (or to relinquish their subsidies) - to make ruining the country for profit more expensive than it's worth.
 
2011-04-26 06:14:50 PM

Corvus: They pay ZERO in taxes while making BILLIONS. Shouldn't they have a tax increase?


Bite your tongue and wash your mouth out with soap.

Payroll taxes should be used to pay subsidies to profitable oil companies so they can make your gas and give you a job.

Don't tempt your overlords with your backsass. They have only so much patience.
 
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