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2011-04-26 04:48:07 PM  
This is unpossible, Illinois has some of the toughest gun laws in the nation.
 
2011-04-26 05:03:19 PM  
superfluousfc.files.wordpress.com

/hot, like McBain's rage.
 
2011-04-26 05:03:52 PM  
Kugelman joined forces with the Chicago Police Memorial Foundation earlier this month to launch the "Cop Shot" program, which pays tipsters $10,000 for information leading to an arrest and conviction when a Chicago Police officer is shot or shot at.

Are they also setting up a "Person Shot" program, which pays tipsters $10,000 for information leading to an arrest and conviction when any person is shot or shot at?

No? So the whole idea is premised on the concept that cops are different than the rest of us people?

Fair enough. Since homicide requires the killing of a person, then killing a cop must not qualify. Jury nullification for cop killers.
 
2011-04-26 05:03:53 PM  

BillCo: This is unpossible, Illinois has some of the toughest gun laws in the nation.


This is unpossible, the guy killed was currently carrying a gun. Allowing people to carry guns saves innocent lives!
 
2011-04-26 05:05:31 PM  
D-FENS
 
2011-04-26 05:06:19 PM  
The sympathy for Officers of the Law is at such a depressing dearth that it seems they have taken to bribing citizens in order to get them to come forward with information regarding cop killings.

/All I know is that I love roast pork.
 
2011-04-26 05:08:01 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-04-26 05:08:25 PM  
I estimate 3/10 for this thread and am going to go get drunk and watch "Good Guys" instead.
 
2011-04-26 05:12:50 PM  

redface: The sympathy for Officers of the Law is at such a depressing dearth that it seems they have taken to bribing citizens in order to get them to come forward with information regarding cop killings.


They'll get our respect when they start earning it.
 
2011-04-26 05:14:45 PM  
Guns don't kill people, gun owners kill people.
/oblig.
 
2011-04-26 05:17:06 PM  

Theaetetus: Kugelman joined forces with the Chicago Police Memorial Foundation earlier this month to launch the "Cop Shot" program, which pays tipsters $10,000 for information leading to an arrest and conviction when a Chicago Police officer is shot or shot at.

Are they also setting up a "Person Shot" program, which pays tipsters $10,000 for information leading to an arrest and conviction when any person is shot or shot at?

No? So the whole idea is premised on the concept that cops are different than the rest of us people?

Fair enough. Since homicide requires the killing of a person, then killing a cop must not qualify. Jury nullification for cop killers.


No, the reasoning is, that someone who is willing to shoot at a cop, who is armed, and capable of fighting back, is probably an extra danger to the unarmed who can't fight back. Though I do agree that a reward program should be in place for everyone, if it is taxpayer funded, I also think that unions, and special interest groups should be able to set up independent rewards programs for victims who are represented by their community.
 
2011-04-26 05:17:08 PM  

redface: The sympathy for Officers of the Law is at such a depressing dearth that it seems they have taken to bribing citizens in order to get them to come forward with information regarding cop killings.

/All I know is that I love roast pork.


this. if they stopped behaving like armed thugs, maybe people wouldn't hate them so much.
 
2011-04-26 05:17:30 PM  
Because the life of a cop is so much more valuable than the life of a regular citizen.
 
2011-04-26 05:18:35 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: redface: The sympathy for Officers of the Law is at such a depressing dearth that it seems they have taken to bribing citizens in order to get them to come forward with information regarding cop killings.

They'll get our respect when they start earning it.


also that
 
2011-04-26 05:20:38 PM  

pxlboy: this. if they stopped behaving like armed thugs, maybe people wouldn't hate them so much.


Maybe if armed thugs started behaving more like people, cops wouldn't be so dickish.
 
2011-04-26 05:21:14 PM  

ghostofreasonpast: No, the reasoning is, that someone who is willing to shoot at a cop, who is armed, and capable of fighting back, is probably an extra danger to the unarmed who can't fight back.


... or, they're a vigilante, and no danger to the unarmed. Could go either way.

Honestly, though, people don't just run around shooting other people. Cops get shot when they attempt to stop the commission of a crime or are investigating one. Since unarmed people who can't fight back do neither of those, they're not as likely to be shot.

Though I do agree that a reward program should be in place for everyone, if it is taxpayer funded, I also think that unions, and special interest groups should be able to set up independent rewards programs for victims who are represented by their community.

While it seems like a nice idea on the surface, that suddenly turns into "justice for the wealthy majority only." Poor? From a bad part of town? Sorry, there's only a fifty cent reward if you get shot.
 
2011-04-26 05:25:55 PM  

ghostofreasonpast: No, the reasoning is, that someone who is willing to shoot at a cop, who is armed, and capable of fighting back, is probably an extra danger to the unarmed who can't fight back.


That makes no sense whatsoever.

I'm a hell of a lot more worried about somebody who shoots an unarmed mom in the back with her kids watching.

If a person pulls a gun on me and demands my wallet, I give him my wallet. So I lost my wallet- it's not the end of the world. The person who I want behind bars at (almost) any price is the guy who would shoot me even if I gave up my wallet without resistance.

The cop in question was killed BECAUSE he was armed and resisted a car theft. I am no more worried about them than I am any other car thieves. If those same car thieves had shot a woman who didn't resist, I'd happily donate to the reward. Those thieves would endanger me and the people around me.

Your logic is backwards. People who kill in self defense (even if it's while committing a felony) are far less dangerous than people who kill indiscriminately.
 
2011-04-26 05:27:52 PM  
You're begging and praying somebody comes up with information," said Bill Kugelman, founder of a new program that aims to deter police shootings and helps solve them. "Well, nobody's going to if there's nothing [in it] for them."

that's kind of puttin it out there aint' it.
 
2011-04-26 05:31:05 PM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Your logic is backwards. People who kill in self defense (even if it's while committing a felony) are far less dangerous than people who kill indiscriminately.


In fact, in line with the felony murder statutes, we want to discourage people from shooting unarmed citizens, so there should actually be higher criminal penalties and rewards for shooting normal citizens. This will help deter criminals from shooting anyone who isn't armed and wearing a bulletproof vest.
 
2011-04-26 05:33:13 PM  

redface: The sympathy for Officers of the Law is at such a depressing dearth that it seems they have taken to bribing citizens in order to get them to come forward with information regarding cop killings.

/All I know is that I love roast pork.


Maybe if they stop being such automatic supporters of the 'war on drugs' and protecting their fellow officer when they break the law they might get more of that sympathy.

'Just following orders' is a bullshiat excuse.
 
2011-04-26 05:38:32 PM  
This makes me want to watch Lethal Weapon 5.
 
2011-04-26 05:38:50 PM  
This is the culture Obama comes from.
 
2011-04-26 05:42:43 PM  
A third strike felon carrying a handgun? Life in prison, without parole. The only chance he has is to shoot his way out. As long as background checks show all violations no matter how old, they cannot get jobs, so crime is their only life long choice. Instead of offering rewards to turn in these criminals, lock the files after 10 years, and some of them may turn their life around. Somebody has to see what the real problem is.
 
2011-04-26 05:44:18 PM  

likesass: A third strike felon carrying a handgun? Life in prison, without parole. The only chance he has is to shoot his way out. As long as background checks show all violations no matter how old, they cannot get jobs, so crime is their only life long choice. Instead of offering rewards to turn in these criminals, lock the files after 10 years, and some of them may turn their life around. Somebody has to see what the real problem is.


The death penalty. None of this expensive lethal injection bullshiat. One bullet in the brain.
 
2011-04-26 05:46:22 PM  
FTA:
when a Chicago Police officer is shot or shot at. The program set up a tip line (1-888-YPO-SHOT)

I dunno about Chicago, but in New Orleans it's 1-888-SUICIDE-BY-COP
 
2011-04-26 05:49:21 PM  

Penman: The death penalty. None of this expensive lethal injection bullshiat. One bullet in the brain.


... the injection isn't the expensive part, you dolt.
 
2011-04-26 05:52:08 PM  
So, citizens killed 4 cops in Chicago in 2010. Chicago cops killed 13 citizens. (source) Link (new window)

Cops win, 13-4.
 
2011-04-26 05:55:17 PM  

AbsentFriends: So, citizens killed 4 cops in Chicago in 2010. Chicago cops killed 13 citizens. (source) Link (new window)

Cops win, 13-4.



Did those 13 citizens die in the commission of a crime, or were those just 13 random passersby?
 
2011-04-26 05:55:17 PM  
So... last year 4 Chicago cops were shot and killed, and they claim to have solved 3 of those.

How does that compare to the rate at which they solve murders of non-cops?

/I'm assuming the police killings were murder. I'm sure the police view them that way, regardless of the facts.
 
2011-04-26 05:58:47 PM  
What's more sad is that we have to bribe people to come forward and do the right thing. Got to pay them to step up and identify the shooter. That's pretty weak. My humanity meter just took a drastic dip.
 
2011-04-26 06:05:58 PM  
Read the headline and thought Danny Glover had died. BAD SUBBY!
 
2011-04-26 06:06:39 PM  
i51.tinypic.com
 
2011-04-26 06:15:54 PM  

HatMadeOfAss: pxlboy: this. if they stopped behaving like armed thugs, maybe people wouldn't hate them so much.

Maybe if armed thugs started behaving more like people, cops wouldn't be so dickish.


not even referring to just TFA

you can't be so obtuse as to be unaware of the myriad examples of blatant abuses of authority perpetrated by police all over the country?
 
2011-04-26 06:16:30 PM  
Hey let's set up a "Person Shot" hotline and offer $20,000 for a reward.

/nozzles
 
2011-04-26 06:19:56 PM  

HatMadeOfAss: AbsentFriends: So, citizens killed 4 cops in Chicago in 2010. Chicago cops killed 13 citizens. (source) Link (new window)

Cops win, 13-4.


Did those 13 citizens die in the commission of a crime, or were those just 13 random passersby?


They were all reaching for a weapon.
 
2011-04-26 06:21:26 PM  
Is there a story behind why Chicago doesn't have a Crimestoppers line? A quick Google search shows that DuPage County, Joliet, and Naperville do, but not Chicago.
 
2011-04-26 06:22:15 PM  

Digitalstrange: Read the headline and thought Danny Glover had died. BAD SUBBY!


Danny Glover is an actor, actors are modern day gods. If he would be dead, this thread would already be 5 pages.
We are talking about regular people dying in this thread, you know people like you and me, not a Kardashian or someone else important.
Therefore, only 30+ comments.
 
2011-04-26 06:28:04 PM  

apoptotic: Is there a story behind why Chicago doesn't have a Crimestoppers line? A quick Google search shows that DuPage County, Joliet, and Naperville do, but not Chicago.


Looking again, there is a listing for O'Hare Crime Stoppers, and the state coverage map shows that the entire Chicago Metro area is covered by one branch or another. I wonder why the guy in TFA thinks that setting up a redundant program would work better.
 
2011-04-26 06:29:42 PM  
Whwn you're handed a a bullrt proof vest, guns, mace, a bat, etc, the very first day o the job, what the hell were you expecting?

A few months ago in St Paul Minn, a cop was killed "in the line of duty", and everyone was blathering on about how they put their lives on the line for US, every day!

(sniff)

It was the first cop that died at work, in 61 YEARS!
Hell, I'd take those odds any day.

In 61 years, I wonder how many constuction workers, factory workers, even office workers, died, while at work, and thus, "in the line of duty"?

He died? Good. Maybe THAT will keep his hand out of our wallets.
For our own safety of course.
 
2011-04-26 06:37:45 PM  

Rip Dashrock: We are talking about regular people cops dying in this thread, you know people like who think and act as if different laws apply to them than you and me

 
2011-04-26 06:48:43 PM  
I've always wondered what the "solved"/"convicted" rate was for police murdered vs. regular citizens murdered. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be surprised. Hell, even run in property crimes committed against cops vs. against the rest of us.

Even more interesting than the actual numbers themselves would be the account for/explanation of the disparity.

This is an article begging to be written.
 
2011-04-26 06:52:18 PM  

pxlboy: not even referring to just TFA

you can't be so obtuse as to be unaware of the myriad examples of blatant abuses of authority perpetrated by police all over the country?


I'm not unaware of the "myriad examples" of cops over stepping their bounds, but you can't take the actions of a few and judge the rest. There are a shiat-ton more cops that are nice, non-arrogant people, than there are asshole cops.
 
2011-04-26 07:04:09 PM  

Penman: This is the culture Obama comes from.


Obama was a cop in Chicago?

Wow, all the stuff I never learned until now.
 
2011-04-26 07:11:48 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

Hot like a cops afterlife.
 
2011-04-26 07:19:57 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
R. I. P. Surveillance Hat
 
2011-04-26 07:24:50 PM  

Xaneidolon: I've always wondered what the "solved"/"convicted" rate was for police murdered vs. regular citizens murdered. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be surprised. Hell, even run in property crimes committed against cops vs. against the rest of us.

Even more interesting than the actual numbers themselves would be the account for/explanation of the disparity.

This is an article begging to be written.


I'm sure if you went in with that attitude, you'd find the evidence to support your theory that more cop-murders are solved than citizen-murders.

If you can let go your overt cop bias for one moment--you can have it back when I'm done--I can tell you that regardless of who was killed, homicides have the highest clearance rates overall, running about 69% last time I checked the DoJ stats. Cops get more upset about cop-killers not only because they don't like thugs killing their own; but also on the theory that anyone crazy enough to kill police is going to be that much more of a menace to everyone else. And it's been pretty well shown that by the time someone gets around to shooting cops, he'll shoot just about anyone: I can't think of too many criminals who restricted their killing to guys in uniform.

As far as property crimes: Things like burglary have the lowest clearance across the board, about 13% overall, which is probably too low to split out "cop burglaries" compared to "normal people burglaries". Cops are more likely to recover their property, I'd guess, because they're more likely to run across it on the street or in the property locker.

And if you really want statistics, by and large, homicide is one of the least-committed crimes, yet the most-investigated and solved.

You can now go back to hating cops for no real reason except they don't let you do everything you want to do.
 
2011-04-26 07:25:31 PM  

redundantman: R. I. P. Surveillance Hat


That the hat had one day left 'til retirement!
 
2011-04-26 07:42:16 PM  

macross87: redundantman: R. I. P. Surveillance Hat

That the hat had one day left 'til retirement!


sentence phrasing fail... teach me how to type and retype

/came for simpsons references..
//happy with even the small amount
 
2011-04-26 07:48:48 PM  
Hmmf. How long before someone turns this into a money-making scheme? "I'll kill a cop and set the mayor up as the fall guy if you'll give me half the tip money."

Wow, Lamborghinis are expensive. Tell ya what, two-thirds.
 
2011-04-26 07:54:23 PM  
TommyymmoT

"Whwn you're handed a a bullrt proof vest, guns, mace, a bat, etc, the very first day o the job, what the hell were you expecting?"

In all seriousness...

I THINK YOU'RE A DICK!!!

If you think that you can do better then go for it!

If you can't come up with an answer to a problem then you are part of it.

Your parents should be so proud.

GENIUS.
 
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