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(Boston Globe)   Dear Non-Profits: You better cough up some profits. Signed, The City of Boston   (boston.com) divider line 51
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2011-04-25 11:31:56 AM
Non-profit doesn't mean free.
 
2011-04-25 12:29:18 PM
New assessments of the property owned by the city's 40 largest major nonprofits show that its collective value is $13.6 billion, or the equivalent of more than half of the city's commercial tax base, which is about $25 billion, according to Boston's Assessing Department.

This is probably due to the number of universities and teaching hospitals here.
 
2011-04-25 12:36:58 PM

jaylectricity: Non-profit doesn't mean free.


but SOCIALISM!
 
2011-04-25 12:59:32 PM
Non-profits also use city services - snow removal, police, fire, etc. I think they do provide a much needed service to Boston and the surrounding area. However, they also need to help support the things they do use and do not pay for - road upkeep and the stuff like that. There are some non-profits that pay WAY more than they would under this plan.

It's a decent compromise.
 
2011-04-25 01:02:47 PM
You know, I love this city with all my cold black heart, but I'm aware that we'd be a slightly windier Hartford, CT if we didn't have the colleges and hospitals.
 
2011-04-25 01:46:08 PM
Interesting.

The city should look into suing the shiate out of these leeches that are providing valuable services to the citizens of the town that the government would otherwise have to provide.

Also, the other side the best accountants and lawyers should be procured (money really shouldn't be an issue) to represent the non-profit entities housed in city-owned buildings so that they can help them getting around having to voluntarily paying the city what they would owe in good faith if they were so inclined.
 
2011-04-25 01:49:28 PM
How about the churches, too? Unless they can prove there's a secret passage from the altar straight to heaven they should pay up.
 
2011-04-25 01:51:06 PM

jaylectricity: Non-profit doesn't mean free.


Free what? They own the property. Why should they have to pay the city anything?
 
2011-04-25 01:52:57 PM

Cletus C.: How about the churches, too? Unless they can prove there's a secret passage from the altar straight to heaven they should pay up.


Could you imagine the riots that would ensue if the City of Boston asked the Catholic Church to start paying some tax payments? All of Southie would erupt in fire, and perhaps some brimstone.
 
2011-04-25 01:53:07 PM
Seems fair to me...
 
2011-04-25 01:56:02 PM

Theaetetus: New assessments of the property owned by the city's 40 largest major nonprofits show that its collective value is $13.6 billion, or the equivalent of more than half of the city's commercial tax base, which is about $25 billion, according to Boston's Assessing Department.

This is probably due to the number of universities and teaching hospitals here.


I heard it wasn't a big college town . . .
 
2011-04-25 01:58:11 PM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Cletus C.: How about the churches, too? Unless they can prove there's a secret passage from the altar straight to heaven they should pay up.

Could you imagine the riots that would ensue if the City of Boston asked the Catholic Church to start paying some tax payments? All of Southie would erupt in fire, and perhaps some brimstone.


As long as they can take Dawchestah down with them all will be well in the world.

But yea, it's a tough balancing act. Boston owes a lot to the fact that MIT and Hahvahd didn't setup shop in Jamestown back in the ye olde times, and to the fact that they've managed to do the country a favor and contain most of the Red Sox fans from terrorizing the rest of the States.
 
2011-04-25 01:59:57 PM
Sound kinda weird, it seems from the article that these people are ok with getting tax more as long as it's well fair across the board.

These non-profit organization from the area known for resisting British Tax sound so un-American.
 
2011-04-25 02:04:04 PM
Yet another reason why Boston sucks.
 
2011-04-25 02:08:58 PM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Cletus C.: How about the churches, too? Unless they can prove there's a secret passage from the altar straight to heaven they should pay up.

Could you imagine the riots that would ensue if the City of Boston asked the Catholic Church to start paying some tax payments? All of Southie would erupt in fire, and perhaps some brimstone.


That's just the orange hair and the remenant of liquor poring out - no different than any other day.
 
2011-04-25 02:15:25 PM

The Trooper: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Cletus C.: How about the churches, too? Unless they can prove there's a secret passage from the altar straight to heaven they should pay up.

Could you imagine the riots that would ensue if the City of Boston asked the Catholic Church to start paying some tax payments? All of Southie would erupt in fire, and perhaps some brimstone.

As long as they can take Dawchestah down with them all will be well in the world.

But yea, it's a tough balancing act. Boston owes a lot to the fact that MIT and Hahvahd didn't setup shop in Jamestown back in the ye olde times, and to the fact that they've managed to do the country a favor and contain most of the Red Sox fans from terrorizing the rest of the States.


We're lucky too that they're mostly in Cambridge and farking with their tax base instead. What amazed me most when I first came here was the amount of hospitals and their enormity for a city of its size. Being on the inside of that now and understanding the amount of research that goes on in addition to the clinical care I can see why there are so many hospitals and why they are so big.
 
2011-04-25 02:16:15 PM
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2011-04-25 02:16:34 PM

The Trooper: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Cletus C.: How about the churches, too? Unless they can prove there's a secret passage from the altar straight to heaven they should pay up.

Could you imagine the riots that would ensue if the City of Boston asked the Catholic Church to start paying some tax payments? All of Southie would erupt in fire, and perhaps some brimstone.

As long as they can take Dawchestah down with them all will be well in the world.

But yea, it's a tough balancing act. Boston owes a lot to the fact that MIT and Hahvahd didn't setup shop in Jamestown back in the ye olde times, and to the fact that they've managed to do the country a favor and contain most of the Red Sox fans from terrorizing the rest of the States.


Most of Harvard and MIT are located across the river in Cambridge.

/works at one of the Harvard schools in Boston
 
2011-04-25 02:16:37 PM

lordaction: jaylectricity: Non-profit doesn't mean free.

Free what? They own the property. Why should they have to pay the city anything?


Its called property taxes. It pays for a range of services provided by the city. The fact that non-profits don't pay property taxes is surprising to me. A regular business even if its running a profit of zero or negative has to pay property taxes, no reason a "non-profit" shouldn't have to as well.
 
2011-04-25 02:17:45 PM
If this pertains to organized religion then I'm all for it.
 
2011-04-25 02:22:02 PM

Invisible Dynamite Monkey: The Trooper: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Cletus C.: How about the churches, too? Unless they can prove there's a secret passage from the altar straight to heaven they should pay up.

Could you imagine the riots that would ensue if the City of Boston asked the Catholic Church to start paying some tax payments? All of Southie would erupt in fire, and perhaps some brimstone.

As long as they can take Dawchestah down with them all will be well in the world.

But yea, it's a tough balancing act. Boston owes a lot to the fact that MIT and Hahvahd didn't setup shop in Jamestown back in the ye olde times, and to the fact that they've managed to do the country a favor and contain most of the Red Sox fans from terrorizing the rest of the States.

We're lucky too that they're mostly in Cambridge and farking with their tax base instead. What amazed me most when I first came here was the amount of hospitals and their enormity for a city of its size. Being on the inside of that now and understanding the amount of research that goes on in addition to the clinical care I can see why there are so many hospitals and why they are so big.


Yea, those hospitals do a lot of great work as far as I'm concern, they saved my grandfather's life twice up at Mass General. Quad-bypass and replacing a valve I think is what they stitched him up with but we never had issues at all. They service the entire New England region almost for a lot of critical surgeries and procedures it seems.

And yea, the big Colleges are in Cambridge, but they still attract a lot for the metro area. Not to mention I think Boston proper has what, a dozen or so universities in it also?
 
2011-04-25 02:24:05 PM

The Trooper: Boston owes a lot to the fact that MIT and Hahvahd didn't setup shop in Jamestown back in the ye olde times,


Harvard and MIT aren't in Boston.

BU, BC, Northeastern and part of Tufts are, as well as Simmons, Emerson, Berklee, Wentworth, Harvard Medical School and about 40 others.
 
2011-04-25 02:25:46 PM

The Trooper: And yea, the big Colleges are in Cambridge


The internationally know colleges are in Cambridge. BU has more students that both MIT and Harvard combined, and probably owns more land, including the building I'm currently sitting in.
 
2011-04-25 02:28:18 PM

what_now: The Trooper: And yea, the big Colleges are in Cambridge

The internationally know colleges are in Cambridge. BU has more students that both MIT and Harvard combined, and probably owns more land, including the building I'm currently sitting in.


Yea, my vocabulary is being unintentionally obtuse today, considering I take day trips up there fairly regularly I should have a better handle on this. Should probably go find some lunch.
 
2011-04-25 02:37:37 PM
Fair is fair. Most of the immediate suburbs is owned by the goddamn archdiocese, anyway, and they don't pay a dime for anything.
 
2011-04-25 02:38:17 PM
Why would universities, which are funded by taxes, go on to pay taxes? When the government has already cut funding to science and art so it can pay for police cars and roads, government seems stupid to then tax the scientists and artists more. especially when scientists and artists then have to pay income tax. This is what...the third level of tax they are expected to pay? Just get it over with. Defund the universities and let some other country innovate and educate from now on.

jaylectricity: Non-profit doesn't mean free.


You think that Boston somehow does not depend on the universities for everything? Newsflash: the only non-university crap Boston is known for is a lawyer played by William Shatner, and he's Canadian.
 
2011-04-25 02:39:43 PM
Harvard Business School is in Bosotn, and Harvard owns a ton of property in Boston- site for planned Science Center, etc.
 
2011-04-25 02:40:02 PM

MindStalker: lordaction: jaylectricity: Non-profit doesn't mean free.

Free what? They own the property. Why should they have to pay the city anything?

Its called property taxes. It pays for a range of services provided by the city. The fact that non-profits don't pay property taxes is surprising to me. A regular business even if its running a profit of zero or negative has to pay property taxes, no reason a "non-profit" shouldn't have to as well.


These organizations are providing a service to the city that the city can't do without. I am familiar with ad valorem taxes, but it seems a little extreme the city is demanding payment. Here is an example of where I am coming from. Say you have an elderly neighbor and you mow her grass for her to be nice. How would you react if she demanded you pay her for the gas you used in her mower. You would probably stop mowing her grass.
 
2011-04-25 02:41:12 PM

SpaceyCat: Non-profits also use city services - snow removal, police, fire, etc. I think they do provide a much needed service to Boston and the surrounding area. However, they also need to help support the things they do use and do not pay for - road upkeep and the stuff like that. There are some non-profits that pay WAY more than they would under this plan.


Than tax them for those services. Is this really that hard?

/works for a non-profit
 
2011-04-25 02:43:46 PM
i assume the 'asinine' tag is in regards to how asinine it is that multi-billion dollar organizations can disguise themselves as "non-profit" in order to avoid paying taxes...
 
2011-04-25 02:44:43 PM

homesar: Harvard Business School is in Bosotn, and Harvard owns a ton of property in Boston- site for planned Science Center, etc.


Harvard are a bunch of bastards. They've been gentrifying the hell out of Brighton and Allston by buying almost all available land, whether they are going to use it or not. They can't even be taxed for that shiat.
 
2011-04-25 02:46:32 PM
So the city turns around and jacks our property taxes up because of those university farks.
 
2011-04-25 02:48:04 PM
Wow...this is odd. This time, it's the Democrats asking to raise taxes!
 
2011-04-25 02:56:56 PM
There was a similar issue in Philadelphia a few years ago.

Water was being provided to non-profits at a substantial discount, and the city wanted to end the free lunch. The University of Pennsylvania -- which has a budget of $6 Billion -- claimed repealing the discount would send them to the poor house, and churches were outraged at the notion that they should have to pay full price for water.
 
2011-04-25 03:00:49 PM

Jake Havechek: They've been gentrifying the hell out of Brighton and Allston


Which is good, because Allston and Brighton are shiatholes.
 
2011-04-25 03:09:16 PM

what_now: Jake Havechek: They've been gentrifying the hell out of Brighton and Allston

Which is good, because Allston and Brighton are shiatholes.


Go back to Beacon Hill, you bourgeois.
 
2011-04-25 03:13:18 PM

what_now: Jake Havechek: They've been gentrifying the hell out of Brighton and Allston

Which is good, because Allston and Brighton are shiatholes.


I've been doing some freelance work in Brighton recently.... Chiswick Rd./Comm Ave. area. Seems like a decent area to me. Very "College townish".

'Course I'm comparing it to Fall River and haven't really explored the area beyond that, so...
 
2011-04-25 03:36:58 PM

keylock71: what_now: Jake Havechek: They've been gentrifying the hell out of Brighton and Allston

Which is good, because Allston and Brighton are shiatholes.

I've been doing some freelance work in Brighton recently.... Chiswick Rd./Comm Ave. area. Seems like a decent area to me. Very "College townish".


That's about exactly where I live; in-between Comm and Beacon. Very beautiful and laid back in the summer and not as many undergrads as you'd think during the school year.
 
2011-04-25 03:48:04 PM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Cletus C.: How about the churches, too? Unless they can prove there's a secret passage from the altar straight to heaven they should pay up.

Could you imagine the riots that would ensue if the City of Boston asked the Catholic Church to start paying some tax payments? All of Southie would erupt in fire, and perhaps some brimstone.


Hmmmm....

You know - I'm OK with that. Just add 02138.
 
2011-04-25 04:14:34 PM

what_now: Jake Havechek: They've been gentrifying the hell out of Brighton and Allston

Which is good, because Allston and Brighton are shiatholes.


//sooo ok with this.. moved out of allston when the mariachi band that was subletting over the summer started practicing at 3 in the morning
 
2011-04-25 04:26:21 PM
Just as long as the chuches, synagogues, and mosques are the first ones on the "to pay" list.
 
2011-04-25 04:43:34 PM

Bennie Crabtree: Why would universities, which are funded by taxes, go on to pay taxes?


Most of the universities in Boston are private. Are you referring to student loans?
 
2011-04-25 04:48:52 PM

Cubicle Jockey: Bennie Crabtree: Why would universities, which are funded by taxes, go on to pay taxes?

Most of the universities in Boston are private. Are you referring to student loans?


Isn't the work inside the university funded by government grant programs?
 
2011-04-25 04:52:10 PM

Jake Havechek: what_now: Jake Havechek: They've been gentrifying the hell out of Brighton and Allston

Which is good, because Allston and Brighton are shiatholes.

Go back to Beacon Hill, you bourgeois.


You don't have to be a member of the bourgeoisie to know that Allston and Brighton blow.

/Oh look, another yellow-brick student ghetto housing complex overlooking a garbage-strewn sidewalk.
 
2011-04-25 05:23:51 PM
What a joke. If Boston didn't have those non-profit institutions, the city would have become another Baltimore. I am automatically ignoring any farker that supports this idea.

Again, what a joke.
 
2011-04-25 07:39:18 PM
Harvard, MIT, and Mass General should pick up most of this bill.
 
2011-04-25 08:22:26 PM

justinguarini4ever: What a joke. If Boston didn't have those non-profit institutions, the city would have become another Baltimore. I am automatically ignoring any farker that supports this idea.

Again, what a joke.


Did you miss the part where the non-profits themselves mostly supported the idea?
 
2011-04-25 10:17:12 PM
Have the non-profits pay the city for services rendered, and have the city pay the non-profits for services rendered. Cost-effective organizations will get more money, and the rest will be downsized to a more manageable level.

And as many Farkers before have said, include the churches in the deal. People can worship any way they want, without demanding a subsidy from everyone in the community.
 
2011-04-25 10:28:24 PM

Chameleon: Did you miss the part where the non-profits themselves mostly supported the idea?


Trust fund babies sitting on Boards of Directors, married to trust fund babies sitting on Boards of Directors, making decisions their grandparents would never have considered. This is the product of inbreeding.
 
2011-04-26 09:03:43 AM
So what you're telling me is that my city is asking non-profits to make regular voluntary payments for basic city services? Right?

Ok. I get that. You're also saying that the non-profits, for the most part, have no problem with this?

Huh. Ok. Sooooo.....Why is this a problem?
 
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