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(Daily Kos)   GOP buying free drinks for signing a recall petition in Wisconsin. Suprisingly, some folks have a problem with this, alcohol   (dailykos.com) divider line 106
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2011-04-23 01:01:50 PM
If they were intoxicated, wouldn't that make anything they sign invalid?
 
2011-04-23 01:05:56 PM
Aarontology: If they were intoxicated, wouldn't that make anything they sign invalid?

I think offering someone any sort of compensation for a signature is also illegal, isn't it? I honestly don't know, but...it seems sketchy to me.
 
2011-04-23 01:20:33 PM
Weaver95: I think offering someone any sort of compensation for a signature is also illegal, isn't it? I honestly don't know, but...it seems sketchy to me.

It's legal, just highly unethical and very much frowned upon. They also have reports where they just left the petition unattended with a sign that says "out to lunch". That is illegal.

Here's the actual HuffPo link, which I submitted days ago but got redlit (new window)

Pure comedy gold
 
2011-04-23 01:22:19 PM
Aarontology: If they were intoxicated, wouldn't that make anything they sign invalid?

This is a good point. If you're gathering signatures at a bar, you don't know how many drinks they've had before they sign.
 
2011-04-23 01:27:44 PM
hmm...se it's legal, just unethical. [insert sarcastic comment about Republican party here].

*sigh*

ah well, at least it's not unexpected. I wonder how many recall petitions the Republicans will get off the ground? I know the Democrats have at least 5 at this point, with a possible sixth one in the wings.
 
2011-04-23 01:28:13 PM
big.assets.huffingtonpost.com

The bartender in question
 
2011-04-23 01:43:05 PM
I will sign any petition for Repugnantans if they give me a shot.

I won't sign it with my real name or address, but I'll take their booze.
 
2011-04-23 01:59:25 PM
I bet if the unions were offering one free month of union membership for a signature, the Righties would be puking themselves with outrage.
 
2011-04-23 02:09:24 PM
Weaver95: I think offering someone any sort of compensation for a signature is also illegal, isn't it? I honestly don't know, but...it seems sketchy to me.

I know it's illegal for votes, but I'm really not sure about signatures. But since this is a binding, legal petition there might be some measure. It's not one of those "stop BP from drilling" kind of things.

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: This is a good point. If you're gathering signatures at a bar, you don't know how many drinks they've had before they sign.

Right. It won't count if it's a real contract if a person is drunk. Hell, it's not consent if a person is drunk.
 
2011-04-23 02:54:34 PM
You have to be stupid, drunk, and/or filthy rich to vote Republican.
 
2011-04-23 03:01:21 PM
Lionel Mandrake: You have to be stupid, drunk, and/or filthy rich to vote Republican.

I just don't see how ANYONE can vote Republican unless they're making over $200k a year. nothing the Republicans stand for benefits you unless you are already rich.
 
2011-04-23 03:32:32 PM
It's Wisconsin. You have to be legally drunk for your signature to be valid. Fortunately, this has never been an issue.
 
2011-04-23 03:33:20 PM
Aarontology: If they were intoxicated, wouldn't that make anything they sign invalid?

How would you be able to first, single out their signitures and, second, prove they were intoxicated when they signed it?
 
2011-04-23 03:33:42 PM
Lionel Mandrake: You have to be stupid, drunk, and/or filthy rich to vote Republican.

So you're saying I should get drunk election day and see if I end up voting Republican?
 
2011-04-23 03:35:15 PM
Around election time the candidates come out to drum up votes around the train station I commute from. I like to say something like "If I vote for you, will you give me a job?" Most of them act shocked and say they can't do that. One day a guy was handing out pens. I took one and said "I accept your bribe and will vote for you on election day." He said "In that case, here's another pen--bring a friend!" You can bet your ass I voted for him.
 
2011-04-23 03:39:53 PM
Rent is too damn high: Lionel Mandrake: You have to be stupid, drunk, and/or filthy rich to vote Republican.

So you're saying I should get drunk election day and see if I end up voting Republican?


i.huffpost.com

...did not see that coming.
 
2011-04-23 03:41:03 PM
ACORN!
 
2011-04-23 03:41:45 PM
Weaver95: hmm...se it's legal, just unethical. [insert sarcastic comment about Republican party here].

*sigh*

ah well, at least it's not unexpected. I wonder how many recall petitions the Republicans will get off the ground? I know the Democrats have at least 5 at this point, with a possible sixth one in the wings.


So honestly: why don't they just call another election?
 
2011-04-23 03:44:52 PM
Just how many recall elections have been filed for Democrat Senators?

I heard that the Democrats have filed 5 recall elections against GOP senators, so just curious to see if the GOP have made any headway in their own efforts.
 
2011-04-23 03:47:13 PM
Weaver95: I know the Democrats have at least 5 at this point, with a possible sixth one in the wings.

6th is practically in the bag. Just a matter of getting close to the 150%, like we did with the others.

/you didn't hear that from me o_o
 
2011-04-23 03:50:02 PM
I might be outing myself as a smelly hippie here, but I'd sign that petition with the same signature I signed my draft card. I'd hope someone would notice that "fark you" probably wasn't a real Wisconsin voter.
 
2011-04-23 03:50:15 PM
Not to defend these people, but do we have any evidence that this is widespread and not just limited to this particular guy? Yes, it's douchey, but making a news story out of it is similar to FOX taking a highly edited O'Keefe video purporting to represent all of NPR or ACORN.
 
2011-04-23 03:53:23 PM
Bennie Crabtree: So honestly: why don't they just call another election?

this is as much theater as it is a matter of law and procedure. this is being done in such a way as to make it crystal clear to even the most fanatical of Republican party operatives that they do not represent the majority view of voters in Wisconsin and that if they exceed their mandate then they will face consequences for their actions.
 
2011-04-23 03:55:36 PM
Koch Republicans/Tea Party is paying $18/hr to protest in NM. Meh.
 
2011-04-23 03:56:55 PM
Aarontology: If they were intoxicated, wouldn't that make anything they sign invalid?

It's Wisconsin. Of course they're intoxicated*. It doesn't negate their votes either.

*Except the Baptists.
 
2011-04-23 03:56:58 PM
Fun fact : Edgar Allen Poe died drunk in a gutter because he had been kidnapped and given alcohol and forced to vote over and over again, apparently this was a common occurance in 19th century Baltimore.
 
2011-04-23 03:58:45 PM
dickfreckle: Not to defend these people, but do we have any evidence that this is widespread and not just limited to this particular guy? Yes, it's douchey, but making a news story out of it is similar to FOX taking a highly edited O'Keefe video purporting to represent all of NPR or ACORN

Even if it is an isolated incident, it is at least one step removed from O'Keefe as long as the tape wasn't heavily edited to grossly mislead people, or even invert the meaning of the conversation outright.
 
2011-04-23 04:01:26 PM
Infernalist: Just how many recall elections have been filed for Democrat Senators?

I heard that the Democrats have filed 5 recall elections against GOP senators, so just curious to see if the GOP have made any headway in their own efforts.


5 total filed against the Republicans with a 6th likely (the other 2 are long shots on paper, one had 80% of the vote his last election).

Against the Democrats, 3 were filed this week and are the ones referred to in this article. The remaining recalls against Democrats will expire on Monday/Tuesday of this week. Of the ones they filed, 2 won with over 60% of the vote in their previous elections. Hansen is the only one vulnerable on paper (51% in the previous election and a district that has leaned R since the gubernatorial election).
 
2011-04-23 04:03:29 PM
vernonFL: Fun fact : Edgar Allen Poe died drunk in a gutter because he had been kidnapped and given alcohol and forced to vote over and over again, apparently this was a common occurance in 19th century Baltimore.

So Acorn Killed Poe?
 
2011-04-23 04:04:15 PM
Infernalist: Just how many recall elections have been filed for Democrat Senators?

I heard that the Democrats have filed 5 recall elections against GOP senators, so just curious to see if the GOP have made any headway in their own efforts.


I believe the GOP has submitted just the one set mentioned in TFV. So it's 5-1 with the 1 under dispute at the moment.
 
2011-04-23 04:08:07 PM
better than free patchouli
 
2011-04-23 04:08:08 PM
Never mind me. Listen to Crashtest
 
2011-04-23 04:09:18 PM
IronTom: better than free patchouli

I do not understand the reference.
 
2011-04-23 04:09:20 PM
For a bottle of Glenfiddich, I'd vote for Saddam Hussein !
 
2011-04-23 04:11:40 PM
Lenny_da_Hog: ACORN

Actually WTMJ-4 (Milwaukee TV) did a bit in their news at noon on this the day it came out. They never stated who the recall effort was for, but did show some video that had a sign that it was against a Democrat.. The irony was they had some conservative talking heads derping about how much like an ACORN tactic it was.
 
2011-04-23 04:19:14 PM
Weaver95: Aarontology: If they were intoxicated, wouldn't that make anything they sign invalid?

I think offering someone any sort of compensation for a signature is also illegal, isn't it? I honestly don't know, but...it seems sketchy to me.


What is a contract but a signature for compensation?
 
2011-04-23 04:20:03 PM
dickfreckle: Not to defend these people, but do we have any evidence that this is widespread and not just limited to this particular guy?

Yes, there was also a report of at least one place where they just left the petition to be signed with a sign that said "out to lunch" That's not unethical, it's illegal and pure lazy. That whole list would have to be thrown out.
Right now there are 8 recall petitions filed, 5 GOP and three Dems.
The Democrats know that they are going to be going through the signatures with a fine toothed comb and are trying hard to make their petition unimpeachable.
Then there's the Republicans......

Here's your score card. (new window) You can actually read the petitions themselves.

the American Recall Coalition (new window) is an out of state organization. They don't seem to be doing much though.
 
2011-04-23 04:20:34 PM
vernonFL: For a bottle of Glenfiddich, I'd vote for Saddam Hussein vernonFL!!!
 
2011-04-23 04:22:41 PM
Because People in power are Stupid:
I will sign any petition for Repugnantans if they give me a shot.

I won't sign it with my real name or address, but I'll take their booze.


I would expect them to offer free alcoholic drinks if you sign the petition to have an amendment passed to ban alcoholic beverages.
 
2011-04-23 04:24:17 PM
cretinbob: Here's your score card. (new window) You can actually read the petitions themselves.the American Recall Coalition (new window) is an out of state organization. They don't seem to be doing much though.

Thanks for the links, especially the first one.
 
2011-04-23 04:27:41 PM
I don't think there is a law against voting while drunk, but I do know that you can be on a jury and be drunk.

Who knows? Maybe if I wasn't wasted, Al Gore would have won!
 
2011-04-23 04:30:21 PM
cretinbob: the American Recall Coalition (new window) is an out of state organization. They don't seem to be doing much though.

The responses the GAB sent to the ARC are hilarious. 2 petitions were initially filed with names of people not living in the district they were attempting to file for (Miller and Hansen if I remember right) and a few others had no one listed at all.

I'm actually surprised they were able to drum up signatures at all (with inducement or otherwise).
 
2011-04-23 04:32:19 PM
Something something cunning plan...
 
2011-04-23 04:32:27 PM
Weaver95:

I do not understand the reference.


People on the left are hippies and smell like patchouli and both sides are equally and exactly as bad in all ways, so vote Republican.
 
2011-04-23 04:33:16 PM
House of Tards: Weaver95:

I do not understand the reference.

People on the left are hippies and smell like patchouli and both sides are equally and exactly as bad in all ways, so vote Republican.


but that doesn't make sense.
 
2011-04-23 04:33:50 PM
Undeclared in-kind donation of booze from the bar or bartender.

And the bartender needs to pay taxes on tips he donated, and declare the donation.
 
2011-04-23 04:35:17 PM
Crashtest: I'm actually surprised they were able to drum up signatures at all (with inducement or otherwise).

Makes you wonder how many Teabaggers would have signed if they knew that information was public record, being all tin foil hatty and all.
 
2011-04-23 04:37:07 PM
Weaver95: House of Tards: Weaver95:

I do not understand the reference.

People on the left are hippies and smell like patchouli and both sides are equally and exactly as bad in all ways, so vote Republican.

but that doesn't make sense.


He said patchouli, patchouli means hippies, hippies are bad. I'm not sure where the logic train goes after that, but I'm also not sure that it matters.
 
2011-04-23 04:39:04 PM
cretinbob: Crashtest: I'm actually surprised they were able to drum up signatures at all (with inducement or otherwise).

Makes you wonder how many Teabaggers would have signed if they knew that information was public record, being all tin foil hatty and all.


the weird part is that the tea baggers really do seem to believe that the recall effort is entirely driven by the unions. the idea that regular voters might actually be pissed off at the Republicans hasn't occured to them yet.

the tea baggers also seem to have this really bizarre idea that recall elections are unconsitutional. I have NO idea where that comes from, but the impression I get from the right wing is that if they should lose a recall election (which they won't because God is on THEIR SIDE or something) they'll fight it on constitutional grounds. At least I think that's what they were saying, it's a bit difficult to translate into human language.
 
2011-04-23 04:42:42 PM
Weaver95:

but that doesn't make sense.


It wasn't designed to make sense. IronTom wants to muddy the waters here, nothing more.
 
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