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(Nola.com)   Good news: You just won big at the casino. Bad news: The casino knows you owe child support   (nola.com) divider line 68
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2011-04-22 01:58:42 PM
Tough shiat, Deadbeat.
 
2011-04-22 02:10:17 PM
In Oregon, if you win anything over 5000 with the Oregon Lottery, they not only do a deadbeat check, they also run a police check to see if you have any outstanding warrants.
 
2011-04-22 02:10:22 PM
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2011-04-22 02:44:35 PM
Yay! Just don't forget to check the ladies too. Lots of deadbeat moms out there who won't pay up.
 
2011-04-22 02:46:25 PM
As a casino employee I'm like geez, another thing to deal with when paying a jackpot. What about the security issues? Giving someone else access to the child support database?
 
2011-04-22 02:47:05 PM
Well, it's still good that you won. Before you walked into the casino, you owed child support. Now you don't, for what that's worth. Maybe it means you'll get to keep all of your wages and not have your tax return docked.
 
2011-04-22 02:47:23 PM
They should check to see if you are on somekind of assistance, too.
 
2011-04-22 02:47:33 PM

The Onanist: Tough shiat, Deadbeat.


Agreed and I hope no one has a problem with this. Agrees with TeleComplainer too, has to be for every person, not just men.
 
2011-04-22 02:50:46 PM
What's wrong with that? Courts regularly garnish all sorts of sources to get money from deadbeat dads or moms. If you're a deadbeat, expect money to be garnished from your tax refunds, paychecks, social security income, disability, court settlements, lottery winnings, inheritences or just about any source of money that is coming to you.
 
2011-04-22 02:51:51 PM

The Onanist: Tough shiat, Deadbeat.


Done in One.
 
2011-04-22 02:52:24 PM
This will only affect people who make the very best family and money decisions.
 
2011-04-22 02:52:45 PM
i5.photobucket.com

"Come on six! Baby needs a new pair of shoes! I'm not kidding....my baby girl does need a new pair of shoes."
 
2011-04-22 02:55:21 PM
I have a problem with this. I don't know about LA law or the due diligence paid by their child support enforcement apparatus. I do know that Illinois stole $3000 from my tax return one year and gave it to my ex. The court latter found that the state was in error and that my ex owed me $3000 in over paid support. I do not trust the state to apply the rules justly. I do not trust them to actually court decision from beginning to end. Or to update their computers when changes in support have been made.

/not paying support anymore
//current on support when son reached majority
///biatch still owes me $3000
 
2011-04-22 03:01:45 PM
As divorced Dad(twice) who had two kids with different Moms, fark anyone who doesn't pay and stay involved in their kids lives. It's not the kid's fault d'bag. Pay your freaking child support or go directly to jail. My kids are in their 20's now and I'm really close to them, it was worth whatever I had to do.
 
2011-04-22 03:01:54 PM

yert: I have a problem with this. I don't know about LA law or the due diligence paid by their child support enforcement apparatus. I do know that Illinois stole $3000 from my tax return one year and gave it to my ex. The court latter found that the state was in error and that my ex owed me $3000 in over paid support. I do not trust the state to apply the rules justly. I do not trust them to actually court decision from beginning to end. Or to update their computers when changes in support have been made.

/not paying support anymore
//current on support when son reached majority
///biatch still owes me $3000


I also have a problem with this, or at least the way it's trending. "Deadbeat dad" is going in the same direction as "sex offender", where the accuser and the government can easily and without much evidence ruin someone's life, and the burden is on the accused. And why stop at child support? Let's throw in alimony, your mortgage, Rent-A-Center, your bookie and the pledge you made to your buddy who did the 10K Fun Run for Restless Leg Syndrome.
 
2011-04-22 03:05:35 PM

The_Sponge: "Come on six! Baby needs a new pair of shoes! I'm not kidding....my baby girl does need a new pair of shoes."


HA!
 
2011-04-22 03:11:08 PM

yert: I have a problem with this. I don't know about LA law or the due diligence paid by their child support enforcement apparatus. I do know that Illinois stole $3000 from my tax return one year and gave it to my ex. The court latter found that the state was in error and that my ex owed me $3000 in over paid support. I do not trust the state to apply the rules justly. I do not trust them to actually court decision from beginning to end. Or to update their computers when changes in support have been made.

/not paying support anymore
//current on support when son reached majority
///biatch still owes me $3000


So take her to small claims court. You don't think that people who actually do owe child support, but don't pay, outnumber those who don't owe child support, but who are forced to pay anyway?

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen:
I also have a problem with this, or at least the way it's trending. "Deadbeat dad" is going in the same direction as "sex offender", where the accuser and the government can easily and without much evidence ruin someone's life, and the burden is on the accused. And why stop at child support? Let's throw in alimony, your mortgage, Rent-A-Center, your bookie and the pledge you made to your buddy who did the 10K Fun Run for Restless Leg Syndrome.


There is no registry for people who are paying child support, and it's much easier for someone to make a false claim of molestation than a false claim that you are the father of their child and therefore must pay child support. There are very affordable and accurate paternity tests which can be used to prove to everyone's satisfaction whether a claim of paternity is true or not, and the same is not true of sex crimes, particularly in cases where the issue is consent, not the act itself.

So the two are nothing alike.

/you sound like a deadbeat parent
 
2011-04-22 03:11:24 PM

TeleComplainer: Yay! Just don't forget to check the ladies too. Lots of deadbeat moms out there who won't pay up.


FTA:
In May, Louisiana casinos will begin withholding the winnings of parents who owe back child support, the Louisiana Gaming Control Board said Thursday after setting rules for the process.

It does say parents, not just dads.
 
2011-04-22 03:14:33 PM

The_Sponge: "Come on six! Baby needs a new pair of shoes! I'm not kidding....my baby girl does need a new pair of shoes."


To hell with your selfish baby, I need those shoes!
 
2011-04-22 03:20:34 PM
Hell, that's one way of getting current.

Latinwolf: It does say parents, not just dads.


So do many child custody laws, but yet somehow it tips in one gender's favor...
 
2011-04-22 03:20:51 PM

jagec: yert: I have a problem with this. I don't know about LA law or the due diligence paid by their child support enforcement apparatus. I do know that Illinois stole $3000 from my tax return one year and gave it to my ex. The court latter found that the state was in error and that my ex owed me $3000 in over paid support. I do not trust the state to apply the rules justly. I do not trust them to actually court decision from beginning to end. Or to update their computers when changes in support have been made.

/not paying support anymore
//current on support when son reached majority
///biatch still owes me $3000

So take her to small claims court. You don't think that people who actually do owe child support, but don't pay, outnumber those who don't owe child support, but who are forced to pay anyway?

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen:
I also have a problem with this, or at least the way it's trending. "Deadbeat dad" is going in the same direction as "sex offender", where the accuser and the government can easily and without much evidence ruin someone's life, and the burden is on the accused. And why stop at child support? Let's throw in alimony, your mortgage, Rent-A-Center, your bookie and the pledge you made to your buddy who did the 10K Fun Run for Restless Leg Syndrome.

There is no registry for people who are paying child support, and it's much easier for someone to make a false claim of molestation than a false claim that you are the father of their child and therefore must pay child support. There are very affordable and accurate paternity tests which can be used to prove to everyone's satisfaction whether a claim of paternity is true or not, and the same is not true of sex crimes, particularly in cases where the issue is consent, not the act itself.

So the two are nothing alike.

/you sound like a deadbeat parent


And you sound like someone who has a hard time with reading comprehension. I didn't say it is the same, I said it's trending in the same direction.

And I do have a personal connection to this issue. But not because I am, as you claim, a deadbeat parent, but because I was raised by a single parent for several years after the other decided they wanted to "live the life they missed out on". So I'll invite you to have a nice cup of STFU now.
 
2011-04-22 03:25:46 PM
seems like paying off your child support would be a good thing, not bad.
 
2011-04-22 03:29:34 PM
Good news, you're the child.
 
2011-04-22 03:30:19 PM
This won't be abused, nope, not at all.

Gambler: Woohoo! I won $50000!
Casino: Sorry sir, your name appears on this list of deadbeat parents
Gambler: What?? I don't even have kids!
Casino: Sorry, state law. You are welcome to hire a lawyer and sue us for the money if you'd like. Should only cost you $100k or so.
 
2011-04-22 03:32:49 PM
You also cannot get or renew your U.S. passport if you owe back child support.


/If I were a kid again, I'd get a paper-route to save up for my vasectomy.
 
2011-04-22 03:34:14 PM
Damn deadbeat kids! Get a job slackers!
www.themudflats.net
Hot like a blast furnace
 
2011-04-22 03:36:11 PM
"We think that this is really going to be a great tool in helping to collect arrears,"

What did they say about a tool in our rears?
 
2011-04-22 03:38:22 PM
As a former county C/S attorney, I always wanted to get a big hit like this. The job is so damned repetitive, 10% of the cases make up 90% of the work. A lottery or casino seizure would have at least been a change of pace.
 
2011-04-22 03:39:26 PM
Casinos collect SSN's when people sign up for "players' club" cards. What do you think they do with that information?
 
2011-04-22 03:51:44 PM
I used to always have to fight with the child support people in Illinois so I am really getting a kick out of these replies...



No really though, these people must have a real problem with paperwork. Every quarter I would get a notice saying I was whatever amount behind in CS and they would be taking extra out plus interest. They wouldnt mail it to me, it was sent to me but addressed to the HR department at work. Then at the end of the quarter I would get a check in the mail for the extra I paid. Then a week later I would get a notice that I was behind again and they would be taking extra out, plus interest, then at the end of the quarter I would get a check, again. This caused all sorts of problems, they effectively told HR that I was a deadbeat several times a year, even tho I never miss a payment and it is taken out of my check.


I got fed up so I told my lawyer, he drafted a cease and desist notice, warning of legal action, demanding the "slanderous mailing of false information cease" The issue never came up again.

This guy I worked with got screwed by the same people. When his exwife got married he no longer had to pay alimony. In the same year his oldest graduated HS and moved out of the mothers home, thus ending the CS. Well later in the year when he went to get his license renewed, he was told there was a hold on it, and his current license was suspended because he owed CS and alimony, Only took him 9 months(with out being able to drive!) and $10k in lawyer fees, but he got it figured out.
 
2011-04-22 04:02:48 PM

altinos: Hell, that's one way of getting current.

Latinwolf: It does say parents, not just dads.

So do many child custody laws, but yet somehow it tips in one gender's favor...



It tips in the childs favor, shut up and pay your support.


/has 50% custody
 
2011-04-22 04:03:04 PM

jmadisonbiii: Casinos collect SSN's when people sign up for "players' club" cards. What do you think they do with that information?


I refuse to sign up for any of that. Why does the local tribe/casino need my driver's license and personal info before I can spend money there? I'm not much of a casino lover and if those cards are required, I won't play at all.
 
2011-04-22 04:05:06 PM

jagec: yert: I have a problem with this. I don't know about LA law or the due diligence paid by their child support enforcement apparatus. I do know that Illinois stole $3000 from my tax return one year and gave it to my ex. The court latter found that the state was in error and that my ex owed me $3000 in over paid support. I do not trust the state to apply the rules justly. I do not trust them to actually court decision from beginning to end. Or to update their computers when changes in support have been made.

/not paying support anymore
//current on support when son reached majority
///biatch still owes me $3000

So take her to small claims court. You don't think that people who actually do owe child support, but don't pay, outnumber those who don't owe child support, but who are forced to pay anyway?


So you're in the "I would rather some innocents get hurt than allow deadbeats to get caught another way."

The ends justify the means. Here's the problem. The person whose money is taken is not notified that their money is going to be taken and not given a chance to prove that their money should not be taken. If they had sent a letter asking for 'just cause' why they should not take the money, or set up a court date to have a judge hear the merits of the garnishment I don't have a problem. I don't have a problem with the casino reporting the money to the government. But to be going along in compliance with the court order and then have money taken is unjust. There must be a better solution.

I did take her to court that's why she owes me three thousand dollars. Does not mean shiat. I will never see the money. And believe it or not I am not so petty as to have her wages garnished or report her to a credit agency. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
 
2011-04-22 04:14:07 PM

jagec: There are very affordable and accurate paternity tests which can be used to prove to everyone's satisfaction whether a claim of paternity is true or not,


You think that makes a difference? Ha.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0209/p01s01-usju.html
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Dad wasn't dad after all, but still owes child support

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_you_get_a_paternity_test_after_paying_child_supp or t_for_10_years (new window)
"In 20 states, once a man is paying child support, he cannot challenge paternity, but in the other 30 States, he has only 24 Months to learn he's not the father, and file a challenge against being obligated to pay child support."
 
2011-04-22 04:15:15 PM
The ends don't justify the means.

It just means someone knew how to work the system, in order to fark a guy over for 18 years.
 
2011-04-22 04:18:29 PM
How do they verify that the money is actually going to support the child and isn't just being spent on booze and lottery tickets by the mom or dad being paid? A family friend is paying for his daughters college and she was living with him because she got fed up with their mom. She then called him asking for more child support even though she wasn't supporting her at all. Also WTF is alimony? I get that when we are married we split everything 50/50 but once we are divorced why doesn't the other party have to get a job like the real people?
 
2011-04-22 04:20:12 PM

flamingboard: How do they verify that the money is actually going to support the child and isn't just being spent on booze and lottery tickets by the mom or dad being paid? A family friend is paying for his daughters college and she was living with him because she got fed up with their mom. She then called him asking for more child support even though she wasn't supporting her at all. Also WTF is alimony? I get that when we are married we split everything 50/50 but once we are divorced why doesn't the other party have to get a job like the real people?


Learn the phrase "lifestyle that she had grown accustomed to."
 
2011-04-22 04:21:02 PM

flamingboard: How do they verify that the money is actually going to support the child and isn't just being spent on booze and lottery tickets by the mom or dad being paid? A family friend is paying for his daughters college and she was living with him because she got fed up with their mom. She then called him asking for more child support even though she wasn't supporting her at all. Also WTF is alimony? I get that when we are married we split everything 50/50 but once we are divorced why doesn't the other party have to get a job like the real people?


She plays "innocent", and works the system; people defend her even if she's guilty.

The ends do not justify the means at all.
 
2011-04-22 04:23:42 PM

jst3p: It tips in the childs favor, shut up and pay your support.


/has 50% custody


I'm not divorced.
 
2011-04-22 04:26:02 PM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Learn the phrase "lifestyle that she had grown accustomed to."


Can the man force the woman to have sex with him? After all, having sex with his wife was a "lifestyle that he had grown accustomed to."

Hmm, maybe I can sue my former employer for money? After all, being unemployed with no income certainly isn't the "lifestyle that I have grown accustomed to."
 
2011-04-22 04:27:30 PM

fredklein: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Learn the phrase "lifestyle that she had grown accustomed to."

Can the man force the woman to have sex with him? After all, having sex with his wife was a "lifestyle that he had grown accustomed to."

Hmm, maybe I can sue my former employer for money? After all, being unemployed with no income certainly isn't the "lifestyle that I have grown accustomed to."


This is a fresh and exciting argument.

And what's the deal with airplane food?
 
2011-04-22 04:35:54 PM
I wish such a law had been in force in Oregon. My son's father still owes over $10,000 in back child support and I'll never see a penny of it.
 
2011-04-22 04:36:53 PM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: flamingboard: How do they verify that the money is actually going to support the child and isn't just being spent on booze and lottery tickets by the mom or dad being paid? A family friend is paying for his daughters college and she was living with him because she got fed up with their mom. She then called him asking for more child support even though she wasn't supporting her at all. Also WTF is alimony? I get that when we are married we split everything 50/50 but once we are divorced why doesn't the other party have to get a job like the real people?

Learn the phrase "lifestyle that she had grown accustomed to."


I know that phrase but why does it even count as an argument? Can I sue the company that laid me off because I can no longer afford the lifestyle I was accustomed to?
 
2011-04-22 04:37:58 PM

flamingboard: WTF is alimony? I get that when we are married we split everything 50/50 but once we are divorced why doesn't the other party have to get a job like the real people?


I believe the idea is that if one person has given up significant opportunities for career advancement (e.g., dropped out of college or quit work to be a stay-at-home mother), they would then be suffering that loss for the rest of their life.

For example, consider a hypothetical family back in the semi-olden days. The woman in that family got married while she was in college, and, after discussion with her husband, agreed to drop out to be a housewife. This saved the family money, because they were no longer paying for her college tuition, and were not paying for childcare or a maid. She then spent the next twenty-five years raising their children and not working. After that, they got divorced. At that point, she is in her 40s, does not have a college degree, and has no work experience. Thus, the only work she is qualified to do is, at best, being in the typing pool. If she had not gotten married at that time, she would instead have a college degree and twenty-five years of work experience and the associated career advancements. The implied deal was that she would continue to be supported to make up for the potential for self-support that she gave up; alimony is the continuation of this deal.

Thus, alimony doesn't really fit when both people are advancing their own careers as far as possible. It makes perfect sense, however, as a continuation of a "contract" in which one partner gave up their future earning potential to benefit the family unit. At that point, even if the woman joined the workforce, she would be irreparably far behind where she would have been if she had not made that deal with her husband. Her husband is simply being forced to fulfill his end of the deal.

/at least, that's my understanding of the historical context
 
2011-04-22 04:50:24 PM
I just foresee a future swarm of "Deadbeats" winning $1195... And maybe again later that night... or week.
 
2011-04-22 05:30:53 PM
I love this. I work at a bank. An account was opened, and he kept never more than $100 in a checking and savings. Government comes in and makes account overdrawn $6500 in both checking and savings. He owed child support. He comes to me, saying "What the heck man, you wont let me get cash right away from these checks, but you let the Government go in and take money I dont have out of these account?"

"Sir, they went in without me letting them."
"Well I spoke to a judge in Kentucky and he said I didn't have to pay that."
"Okay, you better go see that judge again."
"But he's in Kentucky."
"Yeah? What do you want me to do about it? You think I have any ability to just erase what happened? It's all legal. You owe this, and the government tried to take what you had. It's not like we are going to let the government take money you dont have out of your account and let us deal with collections. Your account is just going to close."
 
2011-04-22 05:36:38 PM

altinos: jst3p: It tips in the childs favor, shut up and pay your support.


/has 50% custody

I'm not divorced.


Your ignorance is overwhelming.
 
2011-04-22 05:37:33 PM
In kind of a strange coincidence, my final child support check for my 18 year old daughter goes out today!

And then in July, I'm sending the University a check for Fall semester tuition!

/she's a great kid
 
2011-04-22 05:39:01 PM

fredklein: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Learn the phrase "lifestyle that she had grown accustomed to."

Can the man force the woman to have sex with him? After all, having sex with his wife was a "lifestyle that he had grown accustomed to."

Hmm, maybe I can sue my former employer for money? After all, being unemployed with no income certainly isn't the "lifestyle that I have grown accustomed to."


If only. Perhaps it might make things a lot better, such that employers can't treat people like dirt by default.

(and if such didn't count the contractor, but the actual entity going through a contractor, as to thwart circumvention attempts)
 
2011-04-22 05:45:52 PM
One thing that's always puzzled me over your gambling regulations is that you have to pay tax on your winnings.

Does this mean that you also get tax relief on your stakes, or is it a one-sided arrangement?
 
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