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2011-04-22 02:54:19 PM  

Jackpot777: MikeyFuccon:

You wouldn't have had to show THAT part, to be fair---just showing the three crosses (for Jesus and the two thieves) on Golgotha at sunset might have done. (They had to be taken down at sundown because of the Sabbath, remember.)

Sundown WHERE? It's already Saturday in Sydney.


Don't put the image up AT actual sunset :p Depict Golgotha at sunset and use that image the whole day.

(The future Mrs. Fuccon is going to get her hair done. I'm going to the pub myself---liquor stores are closed today in Ontario---and raising a glass to Pontius Pilate.)
 
2011-04-22 02:54:46 PM  

GameSprocket:

None of that alters the fact that the tree only existed as a way for Adam and Eve to fail. God specifically created a trap.


Not a trap so much as an opportunity for Adam and Eve to have the choice to obey God or not.
 
2011-04-22 02:55:04 PM  
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2011-04-22 02:55:13 PM  
TFA: For nearly 2,000 years, Christians and Catholics around the world have celebrated the day Jesus Christ died upon the cross at Calvary for the sins of the world

Um... no. False. The RCC hasn't even existed for 2,000 years.
 
2011-04-22 02:56:21 PM  

PonceAlyosha: DevideByZer0: What happened in WW2 went a long way towards people accepting and supporting the idea of Israel, that's pretty well accepted at this point. Israel has received massive monetary and military support since WW2 and not that many people questioned it until recently.

This however wasn't really because of the Holocaust, but because its location made it strategically viable against the USSR.


This isn't a difficult concept, I know that there were huge political considerations for the creation of Israel but it wasn't the political considerations that were sold to the public. It was the holocaust and the results of the holocaust which was used to sell the public on supporting Israel and also allowed Israel to receive support for so long.

There was nothing really wrong with the creation of Israel, I don't have anything against Jewish people.

WW2 was a long time ago though, and things have changed since then. Israel still receives outsized support in money and weapons even as they have begun to behave more like oppressors than they have the oppressed. They're still seen as victims of persecution even though the roles have changed in the decades since WW2.
 
2011-04-22 02:57:05 PM  
Fark the right.
 
2011-04-22 02:57:39 PM  

GameSprocket: None of that alters the fact that the tree only existed as a way for Adam and Eve to fail. God specifically created a trap.


There's a standing rule in your home to not screw around with things on daddy's desk, it's your office, business papers, etc. There's also a couple pieces of chocolate there too. You tell your son not to touch anything on the desk.

You come back from the bathroom, and your chocolate is gone.

Obviously, you were setting a trap for your son, and you are a bad parent.

Put another way, no. They didn't even think to go near the tree until they were told it was desireable. It wasn't a temptation or a problem until satansnake suggested they go for it. (The fact that it was a talking farking snake probably helped too)

Depending on the biblical scholars you ask, the tree was god's symbol. Supposedly the mark on Cain's head was a tree, and there's the burning bush used in Moses' time as well.
 
2011-04-22 02:58:01 PM  

DevideByZer0: This isn't a difficult concept, I know that there were huge political considerations for the creation of Israel but it wasn't the political considerations that were sold to the public. It was the holocaust and the results of the holocaust which was used to sell the public on supporting Israel and also allowed Israel to receive support for so long.


I'm not saying that isn't important, but if they weren't an important strategic location we'd have dropped our material and military support faster than you can say something you can say really fast.
 
2011-04-22 02:58:49 PM  

GameSprocket: None of that alters the fact that the tree only existed as a way for Adam and Eve to fail. God specifically created a trap.


So you'd prefer they didn't have free will? Are you pro-choice?
 
2011-04-22 02:59:06 PM  
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The official beer of Easter.
 
2011-04-22 02:59:39 PM  
Dear Christians,

You are on your way out. You will lose. In 40 years there won't be anyone left in the world that gives a shiat about your religion. Get over it.

Sincerely,
Tommy Moo
 
2011-04-22 03:00:13 PM  

DevideByZer0: There was nothing really wrong with the creation of Israel, I don't have anything against Jewish people.


The non-Jews that were living there may not feel the same way. Of course, the whole thing was more of an indication of western arrogance and imperial thinking than anything to do with the Jews.
 
2011-04-22 03:01:07 PM  
Thanks to the kind Farker who gave me six months of Total Fark, I'm kicking this off in true form:

Google will give Jesus his day. It'll just be on Gay Pride Day.

Because Jesus was soooooooooooooooooooooo gay.
 
2011-04-22 03:01:57 PM  

The Name: Not really. I think you're severely underestimating the resonance these guys still have in Christian culture:


If anything it just shows how long they've recognized persecution as being a great tool for team building as Christians have mostly been able to write their own history. It's not as though religions haven't stooped to historical revision (or any other kind of revision) when it benefits them. How many times have they re-written the 'word of god' to make it more suitable to modern times.

TsukasaK: DevideByZer0: I think it's more of a tactic than anything else.

Nothing quite so tacky, the whole victim complex thing is written into the bible. Jesus warned his apostles (and by extension, his modern day "followers") that they'd be persecuted in various ways.


If christians actually followed the lessons of Jesus and actively fought for the poor and disenfranchised, as Jesus did, then christians would find themselves up against the powers that be.

Christians don't fight for the poor, sick, elderly, disenfranchised, abused, etc, anymore. They now support Republican Jesus and participate in the dominance and marginalization of social organizations that are not as powerful as they are.
 
2011-04-22 03:02:01 PM  

TsukasaK: GameSprocket: None of that alters the fact that the tree only existed as a way for Adam and Eve to fail. God specifically created a trap.

There's a standing rule in your home to not screw around with things on daddy's desk, it's your office, business papers, etc. There's also a couple pieces of chocolate there too. You tell your son not to touch anything on the desk.

You come back from the bathroom, and your chocolate is gone.

Obviously, you were setting a trap for your son, and you are a bad parent.

Put another way, no. They didn't even think to go near the tree until they were told it was desireable. It wasn't a temptation or a problem until satansnake suggested they go for it. (The fact that it was a talking farking snake probably helped too)

Depending on the biblical scholars you ask, the tree was god's symbol. Supposedly the mark on Cain's head was a tree, and there's the burning bush used in Moses' time as well.


So ... God needed the tree because his office was in the Garden of Eden and that was his lunch? Well, now it all makes sense.
 
2011-04-22 03:03:41 PM  

Smelly McUgly: GameSprocket:

None of that alters the fact that the tree only existed as a way for Adam and Eve to fail. God specifically created a trap.

Not a trap so much as an opportunity for Adam and Eve to have the choice to obey God or not.


Ha! Oh...wait...you're being serious, aren't you?
 
2011-04-22 03:03:49 PM  

Tommy Moo: Dear Christians,

You are on your way out. You will lose. In 40 years there won't be anyone left in the world that gives a shiat about your religion. Get over it.

Sincerely,
Tommy Moo


Oh, people will care.

But it'll be the same type of caring when we hear people talk of Thor and Zeus. Nobody will practice the religion because it'll be labeled as a regressive and repulsive doctrine designed by bigots who aren't secure in their own beliefs. It'll be a quaint sort of retirement that is only taken seriously by people who have mental damage or disorders. It'll be studied, but all of the pathetic baggage that American bigots have added to it to give their delusions weight will be studied and mocked as truly sinking it.

In a way, that's how it should be: like any religion, it should be studied for its creativity and ability to show the evolution of human thought processes. But it'll be defanged from the corrosive influence it has been for centuries.
 
2011-04-22 03:03:53 PM  

aug3: LectertheChef: Penman: Ball Sack Obama: Are all Christians and Catholics conservatives?


Funny story: when Al Smith (a Catholic) ran as the Democratic candidate for president in '28, Bob Jones (founder of the infamous Bob Jones University in South Carolina) claimed, "I would rather see a Successful and Attractive African American in the White House than a Catholic."

Link (new window)
 
2011-04-22 03:04:06 PM  

Penman: Ball Sack Obama: Are all Christians and Catholics conservatives?

Generally, yes.


Absolutely not. Congrats on being wrong.
 
2011-04-22 03:04:57 PM  
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2011-04-22 03:06:09 PM  

GameSprocket: So ... God needed the tree because his office was in the Garden of Eden and that was his lunch? Well, now it all makes sense.


Please try again without being willfully obtuse.

DevideByZer0: The Name: Not really. I think you're severely underestimating the resonance these guys still have in Christian culture:

If anything it just shows how long they've recognized persecution as being a great tool for team building as Christians have mostly been able to write their own history. It's not as though religions haven't stooped to historical revision (or any other kind of revision) when it benefits them. How many times have they re-written the 'word of god' to make it more suitable to modern times.

TsukasaK: DevideByZer0: I think it's more of a tactic than anything else.

Nothing quite so tacky, the whole victim complex thing is written into the bible. Jesus warned his apostles (and by extension, his modern day "followers") that they'd be persecuted in various ways.

If christians actually followed the lessons of Jesus and actively fought for the poor and disenfranchised, as Jesus did, then christians would find themselves up against the powers that be.

Christians don't fight for the poor, sick, elderly, disenfranchised, abused, etc, anymore. They now support Republican Jesus and participate in the dominance and marginalization of social organizations that are not as powerful as they are.


SOME christians (hell maybe even a majority), but yes. People basically pick and choose out of the bible. I will say that if everyone followed Jesus' teachings from the new testament, the world would be pretty awesome.
 
2011-04-22 03:06:28 PM  

gsmanners: GameSprocket: None of that alters the fact that the tree only existed as a way for Adam and Eve to fail. God specifically created a trap.

So you'd prefer they didn't have free will? Are you pro-choice?


Yeah, and I don't consider eternally damning a person's lineage for a couple of thousand years if they chose incorrectly to be much of a choice. Unless, of course, you hide the penalty until after the choice has been made.
 
2011-04-22 03:06:36 PM  

LectertheChef: Happy Good Friday Christians!

Link (new window)


let me add another song about this Link
 
2011-04-22 03:07:16 PM  

Guntram Shatterhand: Thanks to the kind Farker who gave me six months of Total Fark, I'm kicking this off in true form:

Google will give Jesus his day. It'll just be on Gay Pride Day.

Because Jesus was soooooooooooooooooooooo gay.


My mom's church had a children's book with a color drawing of a hot, shirtless Roman whipping a hot shirtless Jesus that looked like it came out of a Tom of Finland book. The straining muscles, the chains and whip, the lovingly rendered nipples and armpit hair really spoke to me about everlasting salvation.
 
2011-04-22 03:09:50 PM  

TsukasaK: GameSprocket: So ... God needed the tree because his office was in the Garden of Eden and that was his lunch? Well, now it all makes sense.

Please try again without being willfully obtuse.


If I have stuff on my desk that I don't want my kids to touch, then that stuff is there because I need it. I am not some sick bastard who puts out candy and tells them not to touch it just so I can punish them when they get into it.

You can blame Satan all you like, but either God was incapable of destroying Satan, or wanted Satan to lead Adam and Eve astray. Sick shiat either way.
 
2011-04-22 03:10:51 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: We should be thanking Christians every day.

If it wasn't for their sad devotion to that ancient religion, we wouldn't have so many days off from work.


Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways...
 
2011-04-22 03:11:58 PM  

TsukasaK: SOME christians (hell maybe even a majority), but yes. People basically pick and choose out of the bible. I will say that if everyone followed Jesus' teachings from the new testament, the world would be pretty awesome.


Most christians don't read the bible. There are a lot of things that can be said about organized religion in this country, but given the lack of actual religious knowledge within a lot of these religions makes me realize that they aren't getting together to study the bible. Or they may actually know something about the god damn bible.

But they don't, atheists know more about what's in the bible than most christians do. So whatever christians are spending so much of their time doing in church very little of it seems to involve learning what is was that guy Jesus was going on about.
 
2011-04-22 03:13:18 PM  

gshepnyc: My mom's church had a children's book with a color drawing of a hot, shirtless Roman whipping a hot shirtless Jesus that looked like it came out of a Tom of Finland book. The straining muscles, the chains and whip, the lovingly rendered nipples and armpit hair really spoke to me about everlasting salvation.


The really sad thing? If we cut out the repressive aspects of Right-Wing Religious idiocy, we could have some awesome creative homosexuals making gore films. Imagine a world were all these fat wingnuts full of anger and self-loathing were stable bisexuals just writing sci-fi novels about weird worlds. American film would be full of David Cronenberg types.

Okay, it wouldn't be a perfect world, but it would be better than a bunch of these losers hiding out in rural American coding all of their natural impulses into bigotry.
 
2011-04-22 03:13:30 PM  

GameSprocket: Yeah, and I don't consider eternally damning a person's lineage for a couple of thousand years if they chose incorrectly to be much of a choice. Unless, of course, you hide the penalty until after the choice has been made.


Well, not every choice is like Coke vs. Pepsi, you know.
 
2011-04-22 03:15:30 PM  

gsmanners: GameSprocket: Yeah, and I don't consider eternally damning a person's lineage for a couple of thousand years if they chose incorrectly to be much of a choice. Unless, of course, you hide the penalty until after the choice has been made.

Well, not every choice is like Coke vs. Pepsi, you know.


No. Some choices are trivial.

/I curse you, Pepsi!
 
2011-04-22 03:15:49 PM  

HighOnCraic: "I would rather see a Successful and Attractive African American in the White House than a Catholic." - Bob Jones


Bishop: I really enjoy working with young people such as yourself down at our new Lutheran Center... Why don't you drop by sometime, eh?

Danny Noonan: I've often thought of entering the Priesthood.

Bishop: Oh, are you a Roman Catholic?

[Danny nods]

Bishop: Oh, then I'm sorry, but I'm afraid you can't come.
 
2011-04-22 03:16:02 PM  

GameSprocket: I am not some sick bastard who puts out candy and tells them not to touch it just so I can punish them when they get into it.


You're getting too caught up in what was basically a throwaway analogy. People don't tell their kids to stay out of things just for their own safety, but also sometimes because some stuff belongs to mommy and daddy and you don't touch it because it doesn't belong to you.

Not out of some desire to go all "gotcha" on their kids. It's a little telling of your mentality that you assume this.
 
2011-04-22 03:17:28 PM  

DevideByZer0: But they don't, atheists know more about what's in the bible than most christians do.


Sad but very very true.
 
2011-04-22 03:18:19 PM  

onibara: The official beer of Easter.


'Cause of the 33, Jesus's age, I'm guessing?

Also the official Chris Farley beer?
 
2011-04-22 03:18:48 PM  

TsukasaK: GameSprocket: I am not some sick bastard who puts out candy and tells them not to touch it just so I can punish them when they get into it.

You're getting too caught up in what was basically a throwaway analogy. People don't tell their kids to stay out of things just for their own safety, but also sometimes because some stuff belongs to mommy and daddy and you don't touch it because it doesn't belong to you.

Not out of some desire to go all "gotcha" on their kids. It's a little telling of your mentality that you assume this.


So the Garden of Eden was God's glove compartment? Or, is any attempt to actually explore your metaphors "getting too caught up" in them. I know how much religious types hate having their metaphors examined.
 
2011-04-22 03:19:38 PM  
Most christians couldn't explain what them or their church is doing to fight poverty and disease in the US, or what they've personally done about helping someone less fortunate than themselves lately.

But they will be able to tell you why Jesus thinks that global climate change is ungodly and why we shouldn't tax the wealthy. They'll know more about the benefits of market deregulation than they will The Golden Rule.

Being a Christian these days is more like being a Republican than it is being like Jesus.
 
2011-04-22 03:20:53 PM  
God hates stumps (new window)
 
2011-04-22 03:24:39 PM  

GameSprocket: So the Garden of Eden was God's glove compartment? Or, is any attempt to actually explore your metaphors "getting too caught up" in them. I know how much religious types hate having their metaphors examined.


Careful, sounds like your persecuting his stupditity.
 
2011-04-22 03:24:47 PM  

GameSprocket: So the Garden of Eden was God's glove compartment?


I already explained a possible reason for this a couple posts up (well, reason as much as you can about a mythological construct anyways..), so you either missed it, or are AGAIN being willfully obtuse. Do try to follow the conversation, hm?

GameSprocket: I know how much religious types hate having their metaphors examined.


If you're not going to assume that I'm debating in good faith, then we are done here. Try again sans snark?
 
2011-04-22 03:25:47 PM  
Hey.........Zues!
 
2011-04-22 03:28:06 PM  

GameSprocket: TsukasaK: GameSprocket: So ... God needed the tree because his office was in the Garden of Eden and that was his lunch? Well, now it all makes sense.

Please try again without being willfully obtuse.

If I have stuff on my desk that I don't want my kids to touch, then that stuff is there because I need it. I am not some sick bastard who puts out candy and tells them not to touch it just so I can punish them when they get into it.



So...an omnipotent and omniscient being needs a couple trees...why?
 
2011-04-22 03:28:45 PM  

DevideByZer0: Most christians couldn't explain what them or their church is doing to fight poverty and disease in the US, or what they've personally done about helping someone less fortunate than themselves lately.

But they will be able to tell you why Jesus thinks that global climate change is ungodly and why we shouldn't tax the wealthy. They'll know more about the benefits of market deregulation than they will The Golden Rule.

Being a Christian these days is more like being a Republican than it is being like Jesus.


The Catholics have tended to do a good job of speaking out for social justice over the last hundred years ago, and they were an important faction in Roosevelt's New Deal coalition. There are a lot of churches that support issues like living wages, health care reform, and union rights. Why do you think Glen Beck made such a big deal about getting people to leave certain churches?

Bishops Highlight Protecting the Poor, Fiscal Responsibility as Moral Criteria of Budget Debate

WASHINGTON (April 13, 2011)-The federal budget should protect human life and dignity, make the poor a top priority and promote the common good of all during tough economic times, said the U.S. bishops who oversee foreign and domestic policy on behalf of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) in a letter to the U.S. House of Representatives.
"A just framework for future budgets cannot rely on disproportionate cuts in essential services to poor persons," the bishops wrote. "It requires shared sacrifice by all, including raising adequate revenues, eliminating unnecessary military and other spending, and addressing the long-term costs of health insurance and retirement programs fairly."

Link (new window)

/Not a Catholic, just studied at a Jesuit college
 
2011-04-22 03:30:27 PM  

TsukasaK: If you're not going to assume that I'm debating in good faith, then we are done here. Try again sans snark?


Ah, the old "walk away and pretend that you've won when your position gets challanged in any way because it can't stand up to dispute" trick that religious folks seem to excel at.
 
2011-04-22 03:33:30 PM  

Thoguh: Ah, the old "walk away and pretend that you've won when your position gets challanged in any way because it can't stand up to dispute" trick that religious folks seem to excel at.


No, more like "walk away from someone who is ignoring my posts and assumes I'm not debating in good faith"

I said nothing about winning. In fact, I asked him to try again without the snark.

Do all of you anti-religion people put words in people's mouths like this? Seriously.
 
2011-04-22 03:35:25 PM  

TsukasaK: Do all of you anti-religion people put words in people's mouths like this? Seriously.


Do all you religion people put words in God's mouth like this?
 
2011-04-22 03:35:44 PM  

mainsail: So...an omnipotent and omniscient being needs a couple trees...why?


For the same reason as he needs an earth and a universe and various forms of life. The answers are, in likely order:

1) There is no god, question is moot
2) He doesn't
 
2011-04-22 03:35:53 PM  
One is real and the other is not. Don't see the issue here...
 
2011-04-22 03:36:23 PM  

PonceAlyosha: Do all you religion people put words in God's mouth like this?


*looks up thread*

Have I done that? I don't think I've done that.
 
2011-04-22 03:37:12 PM  

TsukasaK: GameSprocket: So the Garden of Eden was God's glove compartment?

I already explained a possible reason for this a couple posts up (well, reason as much as you can about a mythological construct anyways..), so you either missed it, or are AGAIN being willfully obtuse. Do try to follow the conversation, hm?

GameSprocket: I know how much religious types hate having their metaphors examined.

If you're not going to assume that I'm debating in good faith, then we are done here. Try again sans snark?


Hey, you are the one that thinks an all-powerful deity had some tree that he needed to have in the Garden of Eden and didn't want the kids to touch. Why would an all-powerful deity need a tree standing around when he could just create one whenever he needed? What use could this tree have been to someone who is all-powerful on his own? Why couldn't this necessary tree be located somewhere else?

When I have something that I am not currently using and I don't want the kids getting into, I put it where the kids can't get to it. If I don't need something at all and it poses a danger to the kids, I just get rid of it or at least lock it away.

You can't claim that God needed the tree, because that would imply a limit to God's power. For that same reason, you can't claim that the tree had to be where Adam and Eve would be tempted by it. The only thing left is that it was an arbitrary test that God created in some sort of sick control freak frenzy. Then, he allowed another of his creations to entrap Eve into eating the fruit.

Now, I will give you that the whole thing is likely supposed to be a metaphor, but it is in keeping with the arbitrary spiteful God of the Old Testament and out of character for the new cuddly God of the New Testament. That is what makes it so funny. River was right, the whole Bible needs a rework.
 
2011-04-22 03:38:09 PM  
See also:

God and the New Deal

The men who made the New Deal and built the CIO were secular liberals and socialists. But they knew that to succeed, they would have to accommodate traditional religion.

Link (new window)

A Living Wage [Hardcover]
John A. Ryan (Author)

Link (new window)

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