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2011-04-21 05:12:18 PM

Overfiend: I am not in favor of this plan.

Why do we continue to help Pakistan, when we know full well they are playing both sides? (Adm Mullen even admitted this yesterday)


This. And for all those who think this is just Obama's screw-up, kindly refer to the billions Bush gave Pakistan during HIS time in office.
 
2011-04-21 05:14:30 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Seth'n'Spectrum: Lt. Cheese Weasel: They don't even have running water or toilets. Somehow I doubt their ability to photoshop a weaponized drone. But don't let me stop the panic. I love a good panic as much as the next guy.

They've just inducted their first squadron of jets based off of Chinese tech, the JF-17 or something like that. Most likely they'll fall apart in a year, but don't tell me the Pakistanis can't put together military goods when they put their mind to it.

Fine, whatev...do you know how big the Raven is? At most it could carry a can of peas for payload. I'm shakin it over here boss...


to be fair they're ill-tempered cans of peas.
 
2011-04-21 05:15:03 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Fine, whatev...do you know how big the Raven is? At most it could carry a can of peas for payload. I'm shakin it over here boss...


No no, I totally agree. The Ravens themselves are no big whoop. And I hope Commerce and State have done their jobs checking to make sure none of the tech that goes into these things can be transferred to other projects. But there must be some transferability, of some sort or another. Drone tech proliferation is really taking off and countries like Pakistan will not want to stay behind the curve.
 
2011-04-21 05:15:10 PM
well since al-qaeda is an arm of the CIA, i guess thats not too big of a deal.
 
2011-04-21 05:15:58 PM
PunGent 2011-04-21 05:12:18 PM

Overfiend: I am not in favor of this plan.

Why do we continue to help Pakistan, when we know full well they are playing both sides? (Adm Mullen even admitted this yesterday)

This. And for all those who think this is just Obama's screw-up, kindly refer to the billions Bush gave Pakistan during HIS time in office.


Remind me how Obama's decision plays into Bush's? Oh, i see what you are doing, trying to spread the bla...fark it, you are to farking retarded to understand anyways
 
2011-04-21 05:17:34 PM
I guess they've tied Luthor, who supplied them with 40 cakes. And that's terrible.

api.ning.com
 
2011-04-21 05:18:04 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: How the f*ck dd subby fark up the headline?

FTFA:"US to supply Pakistan with 85 mini-drones"


I haven't facepalmed that hard in a long, long time.
 
2011-04-21 05:18:28 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: How the f*ck dd subby fark up the headline?

FTFA:"US to supply Pakistan with 85 mini-drones"


Headline was probably perfect, forcing the Farkmins trollify before greenlighting it.

This is the Politics tab, after all.
 
2011-04-21 05:19:28 PM

Foreground My Ass: It's so the ISI can relay our damn troop movements,...you wait.


This.

The US is Pakistan's frenemy. The Taliban are just friends. Also, to a degree, so are Al Qaeda-type elements (see the folks who carried out the Mumbai Massacre, Lashkar e Taiba).

You give Pakistan military technology, and you can bet your sweet bippy that the ISI will get it. And then, the Taliban and other radical Islamists will get it.
 
2011-04-21 05:20:21 PM
I for one welcome our new Islamic overlords.

Our elected officials have officially stopped working for the interests of the People. We are done as a republic.

/glass half-empty kind of guy.
 
2011-04-21 05:21:48 PM

highendmighty: jehovahs witness protection: Mellow out, they're just R/C planes with cameras.

Try: state-of-the-art, military grade, espionage devices.


No boxcutters needed.

/TSA can now stand down.
 
2011-04-21 05:24:31 PM
The Drone elected by drones sending the drones:
i241.photobucket.com
 
2011-04-21 05:24:55 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Seth'n'Spectrum: Lt. Cheese Weasel: They don't even have running water or toilets. Somehow I doubt their ability to photoshop a weaponized drone. But don't let me stop the panic. I love a good panic as much as the next guy.

They've just inducted their first squadron of jets based off of Chinese tech, the JF-17 or something like that. Most likely they'll fall apart in a year, but don't tell me the Pakistanis can't put together military goods when they put their mind to it.

Fine, whatev...do you know how big the Raven is? At most it could carry a can of peas for payload. I'm shakin it over here boss...


Even worse than that. If my memory serves me correctly the wing on these things is actually made out of either styrofoam or a close relative. They are nothing more than a cheap, ultra-light and very expendable method of giving infantry a view of what's over the next ridge or to assist a spotter in artillery strikes. Nothing someone with reasonable technical skills couldn't put together themselves in their garage for under $1k.
 
2011-04-21 05:24:59 PM

Lord_Dubu: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Seth'n'Spectrum: Lt. Cheese Weasel: They don't even have running water or toilets. Somehow I doubt their ability to photoshop a weaponized drone. But don't let me stop the panic. I love a good panic as much as the next guy.

They've just inducted their first squadron of jets based off of Chinese tech, the JF-17 or something like that. Most likely they'll fall apart in a year, but don't tell me the Pakistanis can't put together military goods when they put their mind to it.

Fine, whatev...do you know how big the Raven is? At most it could carry a can of peas for payload. I'm shakin it over here boss...

to be fair they're ill-tempered cans of peas.


I hate you for making me lol like that. Stop it!
 
2011-04-21 05:26:35 PM

DrillSergeantPoopyPants: The Drone elected by drones sending the drones:


Chicken dinnah winnah.
 
2011-04-21 05:28:52 PM

s1ugg0: highendmighty: GODDAMIT we deserve to be bombed!
First Clinton give China all the technological secrets we had to that day, now Obama gives ourr latest tech to another dubious nation?

Goddamnit so much!!!!

Yes because Al Quaida couldn't possibly buy radio controlled planes with video cameras off the internet.

So do you go by Mr. Little or will simply Chicken do?




www.friendship-quotes.info

Wow you guys are out to touch ...

right now :
any drone attack in Pakistan is United States fault, because of one thing:
"American forces have the capacity to deploy such aircraft in the region."


tomorrow:
any drone attack in Pakistan is their own government* killing Taliban.

*of course flown/controlled from Nevada or w/e .


See smart!
 
2011-04-21 05:30:18 PM

PunGent: Overfiend: I am not in favor of this plan.

Why do we continue to help Pakistan, when we know full well they are playing both sides? (Adm Mullen even admitted this yesterday)

This. And for all those who think this is just Obama's screw-up, kindly refer to the billions Bush gave Pakistan during HIS time in office.


Can we also talk about Bubba giving nuclear technology to the Chinese? Because everybody loves a good B..bu..Bubba.
 
2011-04-21 05:34:02 PM

s1ugg0: highendmighty: GODDAMIT we deserve to be bombed!
First Clinton give China all the technological secrets we had to that day, now Obama gives ourr latest tech to another dubious nation?

Goddamnit so much!!!!

Yes because Al Quaida couldn't possibly buy radio controlled planes with video cameras off the internet.

So do you go by Mr. Little or will simply Chicken do?


Why can't we give them $50 and a Skymall catalog?
 
2011-04-21 05:35:11 PM
s1ugg0

Yes because Al Quaida couldn't possibly buy radio controlled planes with video cameras off the internet.

Are you honestly this stupid, or is this just a character you play on the internet?
 
2011-04-21 05:35:19 PM
Sad thing it that the homeland security people wanna do to model aircraft what they did to high-power rocketry. If anybody wants to make this sort of thing from scratch, I think a little exploration into op-amp and phase-lock-loop mathematics, plus a little about uP and RF not to mention aerodynamics should comprise a good start.

Anyone who ever said that a given culture lacked the intellectual wherewithal to develop a given military technology was probably wrong.
 
2011-04-21 05:38:40 PM
JungleBoogie 2011-04-21 05:19:28 PM

Foreground My Ass: It's so the ISI can relay our damn troop movements,...you wait.

This.

The US is Pakistan's frenemy. The Taliban are just friends. Also, to a degree, so are Al Qaeda-type elements (see the folks who carried out the Mumbai Massacre, Lashkar e-ba).


Incorrect. The Taliban in Pakistan is not the same Taliban the US went after in Afghanistan. The Taliban in Pakistan (Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan) is a group that has actually been fighting against Pakistan since foreign fighters began fleeing Afghanistan in the wake of the US led invasion, specifically Uzbek and Chechens fighting with Al-Qaeda. When Pakistan went after the leaders of said fleeing foreign fighters, the local tribal leaders took it as an attempt to subjugate the area, which had previously been viewed as "Islamabad minds its business, we mind ours." Mullah Omar went to the tribal leaders and asked them to set aside differences and band together against the US, which was backing and being backed by the US. The Taliban the US is fighting out of Pakistan was created when Pakistan, and the ISI, went after fleeing Al-Qaeda leaders. They work with the Afghan based Taliban under a common gola of getting rid of the US. After that happens they willg o back to killing each other

The ISI has people within it from these tribal areas, they are the exception, not the rule. Just like suicide bombers are the exception for Muslims, not the rule. To claim the ISI is fighting against the US, or friends with the TTP, is a gross misunderstanding of what is really going on over there
 
2011-04-21 05:41:04 PM
I_C_Weener

Why can't we give them $50 and a Skymall catalog?

If that's all it took, why hasn't Pakistan already ordered them from there?
 
2011-04-21 05:42:10 PM
Why is this such a big deal? Doesn't this enable our ally to better police their territory, making it easier to deal with the threat of Al Qaeda without our troops doing all the work for them?

This seems like a good step in the right direction for exiting Afghanistan.
 
2011-04-21 05:42:46 PM
approximately 40 drones

blog.lib.umn.edu
 
2011-04-21 05:45:00 PM

ArtosRC: Uchiha_Cycliste: How the f*ck dd subby fark up the headline?

FTFA:"US to supply Pakistan with 85 mini-drones"

I haven't facepalmed that hard in a long, long time.


oh, thi sis one of those drugs things?
that's clever. I can't imagine how I missed that when we are discussing giving Pakistan our drones. Silly me. It's funny because They are going to disappear and be used against us, I get it now.
 
2011-04-21 05:46:49 PM
www.reclaimdemocracy.org
 
2011-04-21 05:50:40 PM

Fark Crosby: Why is this such a big deal? Doesn't this enable our ally to better police their territory, making it easier to deal with the threat of Al Qaeda without our troops doing all the work for them?

This seems like a good step in the right direction for exiting Afghanistan.


Except for the fact that 'our ally' is a loosely based term of understanding, you might have a point. I can't be sure, I think I'd rather nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
 
2011-04-21 06:03:15 PM
fark that shiat, man!!!! dont give them a goddamn thing, unless it means complete access to the tribal areas and an opportunity to put down all enemies..all of them
 
2011-04-21 06:26:19 PM
Stay the course!

*snk*
 
2011-04-21 06:36:30 PM
Ball of Confusion: "we're selling arms to the enemy so we can take the proceeds and fund political opposition in central america, right?"

No-no, we learned our lesson. Now we sell arms in central america too and just pocket the proceeds from both.
 
2011-04-21 06:39:13 PM

Overfiend: I am not in favor of this plan.

Why do we continue to help Pakistan, when we know full well they are playing both sides? (Adm Mullen even admitted this yesterday)


Yeah, seriously why the fark are we giving in to demands from Pakistan? Fark them! What message does it send to the rest of the world when Pakistan can pressure the US into doing what it wants?
 
2011-04-21 06:40:45 PM

doglover: highendmighty: jehovahs witness protection: Mellow out, they're just R/C planes with cameras.

Try: state-of-the-art, military grade, espionage devices.

R/C planes with GOOD cameras.

Pakistan is an ally. Their government is weaker than ours at controlling its own borders, but they are an ally. They use our spy drones to find the enemy and we use our BETTER drones to blow them the fark up.


they're no ally. they are someone who puts up with us for the time being.
 
2011-04-21 06:41:45 PM

Overfiend: I am not in favor of this plan.

Why do we continue to help Pakistan, when we know full well they are playing both sides? (Adm Mullen even admitted this yesterday)


Maybe because the US is also playing both sides. ;)
 
2011-04-21 07:07:52 PM

ArtosRC: I think I just heard a billion sphincters tighten out of fear.


Nah, it was just Napolitano getting excited over the prospect of raising the alert level to "holy shiat we're all gonna DIE!"
 
2011-04-21 07:12:41 PM
If I'm Pakistan, I'm on the phone to China asking for a price on 10 of thems.
 
2011-04-21 07:18:25 PM
Gdalescrboz:[...]The ISI has people within it from these tribal areas, they are the exception, not the rule. Just like suicide bombers are the exception for Muslims, not the rule. To claim the ISI is fighting against the US, or friends with the TTP, is a gross misunderstanding of what is really going on over there

BBC News
Mullen: Pakistan's ISI spy agency has 'militant links'
21 April 2011 Last updated at 07:33 ET


The US military's top officer, Adm Mike Mullen, has accused Pakistan's spy agency of having links with militants targeting troops in Afghanistan.

[...]

"It's fairly well known that the ISI has a long-standing relationship with the Haqqani network," Adm Mullen told Pakistan's Dawn newspaper.

"Haqqani is supporting, funding, training fighters that are killing Americans and killing coalition partners. And I have a sacred obligation to do all I can to make sure that doesn't happen."

[...]


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13153538

A google search on "pakistan isi" quickly yielded the info. Adding other search terms such as "taliban" yielded further more specific info.
 
2011-04-21 07:23:59 PM
What? It's not like it's the first time the CIA has done this......
 
2011-04-21 07:24:05 PM
More:

WikiLeaks and the ISI-Taliban nexus
by Peter Galbraith
Monday 26 July 2010
The Guardian


Pakistan's intelligence leaders should ask whether their support of the Taliban is worth the price the country may have to pay

"Of all this information, the most troubling concerns the duplicitous double dealing by Pakistan's powerful spy agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI. While some of the intelligence seems wildly implausible (surely the ISI did not plot to poison Kabul-bound beer, an enormously complex operation with limited pay off since US troops are not allowed to drink alcohol in Afghanistan), the WikiLeaks documents show a continued relationship between the ISI and the Taliban. This is not surprising. In the 1990s, the ISI helped create the Taliban and Pakistani support was decisive to the Taliban's capture of Kabul in 1996. The US has known since 2001 that Pakistan did not break its ties with the Taliban as President Pervez Musharraf had promised President Bush. After all, Mullah Omar and his close associates have been in Pakistan since 2001 and it is not plausible that Pakistan did not know where any of them were."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jul/26/wikileaks-isi-taliban-nexu s
 
2011-04-21 07:32:39 PM
ahem. the war on terror is a farce.

/just like 9-11, gulf of Tonkin, The Maine, and the idea that assassins work alone.
 
2011-04-21 07:33:07 PM
So - the point of my posts is that giving American military technology to the Pakistanis is stupid because it will find its way to the anti-coalition forces, courtesy of the ISI.
 
2011-04-21 07:34:00 PM
Why are we skipping the best part?
The part where Shrub looked into their souls and reported they are good men worked so well last time. We really should use it again.
The good material is so hard to come by.
Good theatre has rules.
 
2011-04-21 08:28:56 PM
As others have pointed out, these are older glorified RC planes.

One question though, are we giving Pakistan intelligence access to encryption standards, signal standards, for use in intercepting and jamming the signals of what presumably would be used for other drones?

If someone is out there who knows more I am listening.

/Or is it like when we sell F16's without the advanced software?
 
2011-04-21 08:52:47 PM

Gdalescrboz: PunGent 2011-04-21 05:12:18 PM

Overfiend: I am not in favor of this plan.

Why do we continue to help Pakistan, when we know full well they are playing both sides? (Adm Mullen even admitted this yesterday)

This. And for all those who think this is just Obama's screw-up, kindly refer to the billions Bush gave Pakistan during HIS time in office.

Remind me how Obama's decision plays into Bush's? Oh, i see what you are doing, trying to spread the bla...fark it, you are to farking retarded to understand anyways


So, you're upset about Obama giving hi-tech gear to Pakistan, but fine with Bush giving them billions of dollars?

I think BOTH decisions are wrong, and YOU'RE the retard.
But then, I'm not a party hack; you guys have a special kind of logic.
 
2011-04-21 09:26:25 PM
JungleBoogie 2011-04-21 07:18:25 PM

Gdalescrboz:[...]The ISI has people within it from these tribal areas, they are the exception, not the rule. Just like suicide bombers are the exception for Muslims, not the rule. To claim the ISI is fighting against the US, or friends with the TTP, is a gross misunderstanding of what is really going on over there

BBC News
Mullen: Pakistan's ISI spy agency has 'militant links'
21 April 2011 Last updated at 07:33 ET

The US military's top officer, Adm Mike Mullen, has accused Pakistan's spy agency of having links with militants targeting troops in Afghanistan.[...]

"It's fairly well known that the ISI has a long-standing relationship with the Haqqani network," Adm Mullen told Pakistan's Dawn newspaper.

"Haqqani is supporting, funding, training fighters that are killing Americans and killing coalition partners. And I have a sacred obligation to do all I can to make sure that doesn't happen."


Did you not read my post? I said the ISI has people that are connected to tribes in the Waziristan region. Just because they are linked does not mean the ISI's mission is to support them. What individual members do on their own is an anomily. It would be as if some border patrol officers provided cover for drug smugglers for pay. You could then make the claim the border patrol has links to the drug cartels, but you can't say the border patrol supports the drug cartels.
 
2011-04-21 09:28:52 PM
PunGent 2011-04-21 08:52:47 PM

Gdalescrboz: PunGent 2011-04-21 05:12:18 PM

Overfiend: I am not in favor of this plan.

Why do we continue to help Pakistan, when we know full well they are playing both sides? (Adm Mullen even admitted this yesterday)

This. And for all those who think this is just Obama's screw-up, kindly refer to the billions Bush gave Pakistan during HIS time in office.

Remind me how Obama's decision plays into Bush's? Oh, i see what you are doing, trying to spread the bla...fark it, you are to farking retarded to understand anyways

So, you're upset about Obama giving hi-tech gear to Pakistan, but fine with Bush giving them billions of dollars?

I think BOTH decisions are wrong, and YOU'RE the retard.
But then, I'm not a party hack; you guys have a special kind of logic


No, you fool, you still dont get it. My point has gone so far over your head im not even going to try to explain it, you aren't going to get it
 
2011-04-21 09:35:40 PM

PacifisticRadicalLP: fark that shiat, man!!!! dont give them a goddamn thing, unless it means complete access to the tribal areas and an opportunity to put down all enemies..all of them


The Pakistani people are about to commit a coup d'etat on the Pakistani government. Raymond Davis was the last straw. They want the US government (who has never formally declared war on Pakistan) out of Pakistan.

I'd guess this selling of drones to Pakistan is a facade to appease the populace and maintain bombing campaigns. It's nothing new, prior to official acknowledgement that the US is indeed committing these strikes, the Pakistani government claimed it was them and their technology.

shiat hit the fan when some tribesmen went through the rubble of a strike and found a ID plate with "made in USA" on them.
 
2011-04-21 09:57:37 PM

Mr Rusty Shackleford: Uchiha_Cycliste: How the f*ck dd subby fark up the headline?

FTFA:"US to supply Pakistan with 85 mini-drones"

Hey there. The headline is the submitter's way of implying that Pakistan will keep 45 drones while giving 40 away to Al-Qaida.



Hee, clever way to find out where Al Queda is.
 
2011-04-21 10:01:58 PM
I guess we just need to decide. Do we want a Saddam Hussein style dictatorship in Pakistan or a Iran like Theocracy in Pakistan.
 
2011-04-21 10:12:18 PM
coyo,
Mr Rusty Shackleford: Uchiha_Cycliste: How the f*ck dd subby fark up the headline?
FTFA:"US to supply Pakistan with 85 mini-drones"
Hey there. The headline is the submitter's way of implying that Pakistan will keep 45 drones while giving 40 away to Al-Qaida.
Hee, clever way to find out where Al Queda is.


The counter-intelligence spy games that could be played out would be interesting.

If we are giving away the intectual property along with the pretty harmless hardware, it would be pretty dumb.
 
2011-04-21 11:10:28 PM
Why so surprised? He's already sold out England:

http://www.examiner.com/law-enforcement-in-national/obama-betrayed-british-alli e s-wikileaks-reveals

/sorry, not good at the link thingy...
 
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