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(Some Guy)   Sen. Mark Pryor (D-ebt) says he's against raising the roof   (939mia.com) divider line 60
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2011-04-21 11:15:07 AM  
no one WANTS to raise the debt limit. just like no one WANTS to die in a war. but sometimes you have to do things you don't want to do. that's what being an adult is all about.
 
2011-04-21 11:46:36 AM  
I don't agree with how he's going about it, but his ultimate goal is sound fiscal policy and a saner tax environment. Whereas Republicans' goal in not raising the ceiling is to whip up teabaggers.
 
2011-04-21 12:02:19 PM  
It needs to be said again; if we don't raise the debt ceiling, our credit will be trashed, t-bills will plummet in value, and the faith of other nations in our currency will disappear.

Failing to raise the debt ceiling, at best, will send the entire world into a decades-long depression, which will result in the deaths of millions of people world-wide. At worst, it will cause the fall of western civilization, and send us into another dark ages.

Yes, we need to control the deficit and become more financially solvent.

But there are some things that you just do NOT play politics with.
 
2011-04-21 01:20:18 PM  
Then he's an idiot with zero understanding of economics.
 
2011-04-21 01:58:13 PM  

Hobodeluxe: no one WANTS to raise the debt limit. just like no one WANTS to die in a war. but sometimes you have to do things you don't want to do. that's what being an adult is all about.


Enough reality!

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2011-04-21 02:36:58 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

Raise the roof!
 
2011-04-21 02:53:41 PM  
And the photo proves it...

content.clearchannel.com
 
2011-04-21 03:01:34 PM  
i thought he was playing for the yankees now
 
2011-04-21 03:28:51 PM  
the debt ceiling must be raised. we have no choice in the matter if we want to continue the economic recovery. tying the vote to other matters is pure political blackmail.

pryor is doing this because he's a dem in a very red state, pure and simple. but doing this makes the dems appear weak on the issue when they should be speaking with one voice.
 
2011-04-21 03:40:41 PM  
Fine. Raise taxes on the rich and corporations. I think we've cut as much as can. (Okay defense could be trimmed a bit more.)
 
2011-04-21 03:50:16 PM  
He's a (D) from Arkansas. The guy's ass-deep in derp. He's probably tossing a bone to the 'baggers to keep his job (further confirming that the average elected Democrat *still* doesn't understand what he's up against). This is one of those issues that's easy to posture on because there's virtually a 0% chance it will fail.
 
2011-04-21 04:05:07 PM  
Send him back to the minors.
 
2011-04-21 04:12:13 PM  

BigTuna: He's a (D) from Arkansas. The guy's ass-deep in derp. He's probably tossing a bone to the 'baggers to keep his job (further confirming that the average elected Democrat *still* doesn't understand what he's up against). This is one of those issues that's easy to posture on because there's virtually a 0% chance it will fail.


ass-deep in derp
tossing a bone to the baggers

+1 x 2

You could say that That ass-deep-derper's bagger boning
 
2011-04-21 04:38:16 PM  
Then this turd and the other fake fiscal conservatives should have not run up the credit card so much, refusing to pay for shiat you already bought and took home is not going to help anyone.
 
2011-04-21 04:38:21 PM  
Good on 'em. The tax code is a farking mess, and obviously we need to cut spending.

Score one for common sense.
 
2011-04-21 04:38:31 PM  
Probably just means he is up for reelection in 2012.
 
2011-04-21 04:39:41 PM  

Diogenes: I don't agree with how he's going about it, but his ultimate goal is sound fiscal policy and a saner tax environment. Whereas Republicans' goal in not raising the ceiling is to whip up teabaggers.


You don't get it, you're supposed to read the Fark headline, but not the attached article. Reading the article gives insight into the reality of the article, and we all know what kind of bias reality has.
 
2011-04-21 04:39:48 PM  
This is a Fox News article.

Whenever the Republicans (as a group) are doing something super-stupid, they find a Democrat (as an individual) doing the same thing and push the story hard.

It's a tried and true tactic, and from the comments above, is working once again.
 
2011-04-21 04:42:05 PM  

Hobodeluxe: no one WANTS to raise the debt limit. just like no one WANTS to die in a war. but sometimes you have to do things you don't want to do. that's what being an adult is all about.


Why do you hate America, both Real™, and Elitist™?
 
2011-04-21 04:44:04 PM  
They should keep the moralizing against the gays, where it belongs, not in relation to a dry, technical question like the debt.
 
2011-04-21 04:44:33 PM  

Diogenes: I don't agree with how he's going about it, but his ultimate goal is sound fiscal policy and a saner tax environment. Whereas Republicans' goal in not raising the ceiling is to whip up teabaggers.


I agree, but he's still playing chicken with a high-profile issue in order to get his own ends. Just because I might agree with him doesn't make him any less douchey than the teabaggers threatening the same.
 
2011-04-21 04:46:09 PM  

xiaodown: It needs to be said again; if we don't raise the debt ceiling, our credit will be trashed, t-bills will plummet in value, and the faith of other nations in our currency will disappear.

Failing to raise the debt ceiling, at best, will send the entire world into a decades-long depression, which will result in the deaths of millions of people world-wide. At worst, it will cause the fall of western civilization, and send us into another dark ages.


While true, it would also piss of libs, which is the primary goal here.
 
2011-04-21 04:47:00 PM  
i.imgur.com

/not really
 
2011-04-21 04:47:48 PM  
So long washed up pitcherman.
 
2011-04-21 04:48:01 PM  
I predict there will be lots of blue dogging on this issue. And then, the votes will come down where they need to. And the circle of derp will reherp itself.
 
2011-04-21 04:50:37 PM  
I love misleading headlines. So this guy is against raising the debt ceiling unless the tax code is reformed (euphamism for nixing the Bush Tax Cuts and closing loopholes). Well, both the President's plan and the Ryan plan mention tax reform. Since there's little doubt taxes are going up and a majority of the country wants loopholes closed, this guy is going to vote for raising the debt ceiling. Pointless article.
 
2011-04-21 05:01:32 PM  

dickfreckle: Diogenes: I don't agree with how he's going about it, but his ultimate goal is sound fiscal policy and a saner tax environment. Whereas Republicans' goal in not raising the ceiling is to whip up teabaggers.

I agree, but he's still playing chicken with a high-profile issue in order to get his own ends. Just because I might agree with him doesn't make him any less douchey than the teabaggers threatening the same.


I don't disagree.
 
2011-04-21 05:01:43 PM  
FTA "The Democrat from Arkansas told members of the Political Animals Club"

so he's a furry?
 
2011-04-21 05:03:13 PM  

Duyogurt: I love misleading headlines.


I think in this case I think we should give subby a break. Headlines should be honest or witty/funny. Subby clearly went after witty. =]
 
2011-04-21 05:05:35 PM  

Diogenes: dickfreckle: Diogenes: I don't agree with how he's going about it, but his ultimate goal is sound fiscal policy and a saner tax environment. Whereas Republicans' goal in not raising the ceiling is to whip up teabaggers.

I agree, but he's still playing chicken with a high-profile issue in order to get his own ends. Just because I might agree with him doesn't make him any less douchey than the teabaggers threatening the same.

I don't disagree.


Yeah, I just realized how poorly worded my post was. Should have just gone with "+1."
 
2011-04-21 05:08:53 PM  

BigTuna: He's a (D) from Arkansas. The guy's ass-deep in derp. He's probably tossing a bone to the 'baggers


To be fair, the last democrat from Arkansas that tossed his bone to a two-bagger was re-elected.

news.bbc.co.uk
 
2011-04-21 05:09:01 PM  
Maybe he should raise the speed on his fastball, instead.
 
2011-04-21 05:14:50 PM  

Lou Brown: BigTuna: He's a (D) from Arkansas. The guy's ass-deep in derp. He's probably tossing a bone to the 'baggers

To be fair, the last democrat from Arkansas that tossed his bone to a two-bagger was re-elected.


I LOLs
+100000!
 
2011-04-21 05:19:00 PM  

WTF Indeed: Maybe he should raise the speed on his fastball, instead.


I see what you did there.

/surprised his arm hasn't fallen off raising a motion with the way dusty baker overused him.
 
2011-04-21 05:19:02 PM  

Hobodeluxe: no one WANTS to raise the debt limit. just like no one WANTS to die in a war. but sometimes you have to do things you don't want to do.


You mean you don't go to war with the army you want, you go to war with the army you have?

i.huffpost.com
 
2011-04-21 05:19:31 PM  

Duyogurt: Pointless article.


Not when viewed from Ailes office, which is why these kind of articles exist...to give political cover to the R's by saying "both sides are doing it".
 
2011-04-21 05:21:09 PM  
Sorry for the pic error hobo. I meant to attach it to this:

i.huffpost.com

Sybarite: Raise the roof!

 
2011-04-21 05:24:35 PM  

xiaodown: It needs to be said again; if we don't raise the debt ceiling, our credit will be trashed, t-bills will plummet in value, and the faith of other nations in our currency will disappear.

Failing to raise the debt ceiling, at best, will send the entire world into a decades-long depression, which will result in the deaths of millions of people world-wide. At worst, it will cause the fall of western civilization, and send us into another dark ages.

Yes, we need to control the deficit and become more financially solvent.

But there are some things that you just do NOT play politics with.


Unless are voting against raising the debt ceiling under Bush in order to end the Iraq war.

Anyone got a voting roll call for the debt ceiling being raised under Bush.....cause you know...its only bad/good when they/we do it....or when we/they play politics with it.
 
2011-04-21 05:34:12 PM  
"Anyone got a voting roll call for the debt ceiling being raised under Bush.....cause you know...its only bad/good when they/we do it....or when we/they play politics with it."

Here you go...all five of 'em.


June 2002: Congress approves a $450 billion increase, raising the debt limit to $6.4 trillion. McConnell, Boehner, and Cantor vote "yea", Kyl votes "nay."

May 2003: Congress approves a $900 billion increase, raising the debt limit to $7.384 trillion. All four approve].

November 2004: Congress approves an $800 billion increase, raising the debt limit to $8.1 trillion. All four approve.

March 2006: Congress approves a $781 billion increase, raising the debt limit to $8.965 trillion. All four approve.

September 2007: Congress approves an $850 billion increase, raising the debt limit to $9.815 trillion. All four approve.
 
2011-04-21 05:34:46 PM  
Or in other words, cut taxes for my wealthy corporate overlords and cut spending on programs that help the poor and middle class.
 
2011-04-21 05:35:34 PM  

Headso: Then this turd and the other fake fiscal conservatives should have not run up the credit card so much, refusing to pay for shiat you already bought and took home is not going to help anyone.



Do you understand how a credit card works you farking moron?
 
2011-04-21 05:51:05 PM  

robotpirateninja: "Anyone got a voting roll call for the debt ceiling being raised under Bush.....cause you know...its only bad/good when they/we do it....or when we/they play politics with it."

Here you go...all five of 'em.


June 2002: Congress approves a $450 billion increase, raising the debt limit to $6.4 trillion. McConnell, Boehner, and Cantor vote "yea", Kyl votes "nay."

May 2003: Congress approves a $900 billion increase, raising the debt limit to $7.384 trillion. All four approve].

November 2004: Congress approves an $800 billion increase, raising the debt limit to $8.1 trillion. All four approve.

March 2006: Congress approves a $781 billion increase, raising the debt limit to $8.965 trillion. All four approve.

September 2007: Congress approves an $850 billion increase, raising the debt limit to $9.815 trillion. All four approve.


But what about the rest of the elected representatives in our government....how did they vote?

I asked how they ALL voted....democrat and republican alike...its almost as if you know the answer and are trying to hide it....or are in denial about it given the current talking point of armageddon if any politician dares vote against it...and by any politician I mean republican.

I bet Obama voted against raising the debt ceiling himself.

What did he have against our economy recovering when Bush was in office?
 
2011-04-21 05:51:58 PM  
Diogenes

I don't agree with how he's going about it, but his ultimate goal is sound fiscal policy and a saner tax environment. Whereas Republicans' goal in not raising the ceiling is to whip up teabaggers.

Wow. Exactly the same behavior as the those Republican who oppose raising it, and you arbitrarily support him and attack Republicans with no evidence for either position. Wonderful fairmindedness at work.

Anyway, it has to be raised. This illustrates why the present "debt ceiling" is a fake. It should be a limit on debt issued, not debt repaid.
 
2011-04-21 06:00:56 PM  

JK47: Headso: Then this turd and the other fake fiscal conservatives should have not run up the credit card so much, refusing to pay for shiat you already bought and took home is not going to help anyone.


Do you understand how a credit card works you farking moron?


There is no way that this will not end in lulz. Please explain to us how credit cards work and how the analogy doesn't work.
 
2011-04-21 06:02:27 PM  
Didn't he blow out his arm pitching for the Cubs?
 
2011-04-21 06:37:14 PM  
Pure politics. Just like all the Dem's under Bush who voted against raising it.

To the armageddon folks - we DO bring in enough money to keep making the interest payments. Beyond that, in the truest sense, everything beyond that is discretionary.

Might be interesting..
 
2011-04-21 06:40:24 PM  

FlashHarry: the debt ceiling must be raised. we have no choice in the matter if we want to continue the economic recovery. tying the vote to other matters is pure political blackmail.


Remember when the liberal media was reporting that the debate about extending the 4% tax cut on income above $250,000 was killing the economy because businesses don't like uncertainty? That was terrible. Holding the economy hostage with threats to not extend the tax ceiling so that the Treasury can pay for shat you already decided to fund: that's just perfectly fine politicking.

link (new window)

Link (new window)

And of course, from the fuking GOP itself:
Business Owners Have Been "Operating For The Last Year And A Half In Conditions Of Perfect Uncertainty." "Economists and business owners say they've never seen anything like it (new window)
 
2011-04-21 06:52:56 PM  
Three options and only three options.

1. Raise the ceiling and tell the morons to choke on their own stupidity

2. Massive tax hike, especially on the wealthy, to collect a couple trillion dollars before June and pay down massive amounts of debt so the ceiling doesn't have to be raised

3. Default and send the world into a massive depression where hundreds of millions of people will be negatively affected while every available job gets shipped overseas so those with the means can escape to China

Pick your poison, farkwads.

I support option 1 followed by option 2, but I'm not a politician.
 
2011-04-21 06:56:57 PM  
PS, the debt ceiling is just an instrument congress enacted in the 1910s, to give the treasury authority to issue debt effectively, so that congress itself wouldn't have to micro-manage the issuing and approval of all the Treasury Securities.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if Congress doesn't raise the debt limit, and the only thing the treasury can pay with is federal tax revenue, then who and what gets paid from that revenue, from outstanding debt interest, to NPR and the Department of Defense, will be entirely up to the Treasury?
 
2011-04-21 06:59:50 PM  
4. Live within our means.

/not a politician either. obviously.
 
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