Smookyfufu

It amazes me how people don't understand how a nuclear weapon works... they just think it goes BLAMMO! And thats it! Nothing else to worry about!

Yep, nothing like a little ecocide to bring the enemy back to the negotiating table.

poot_rootbeer I am wondering about that too. Worse yet this ass-munch actually has missiles that can reach our coast with nuclear warheads. If we invade we give him every reason to lob them at us.

On Topic,

No wait, still off topic, Smookyfufu are you sure you're an American, because you write and think like a lot of Canadians (not questioning your loyalty, just surprised that you don't hate for the sake of hating).

I am an American and proud to be one... I just don't understand why I should be mad at Jong Doe from North Korea for where he was born and how he was socialized in his country. He's never done anything to me, and I've never done anything to him... If a lot of people had this attitude, the world would be a lot better...

It's really just the governments that represent the countries that have the problems with each other... the citizens are usually thrown into the fray... either brainwashed into flying planes into buildings or brainwashed into calling French Fries "Freedom Fries".

Like i've said... If I had a chance to ask Osama a question, it would be why he hates me so much. I mean... you can say it's a liberal tree hugging question.. but I want to hear it straight from the man's mouth. Just curious. Wouldn't anyone like to directly know why?

to add to AHumbleSoldier's statement about this being a devestating war, what everyone seems to be forgetting is that North Korea and China have a current, no clause, mutual defense agreement. That means that China will be under intense pressure to honor that pact if North Korea was attacked. Not just because of a signed agreement, but because of the importance of honor and saving face in their culture. There is now proof that they were supplying troops during the last years of the Korean War, also the VietNam war...neither of which did we fare well.

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poot_rootbeer -- Killing him would likely only open the door to somebody else already in a position of power, and I doubt that there's much disagreement with Kim's policies in his existing inner circle. It also wouldn't make the nuclear weapons go away, remove their need for fuel and food, or reform their system in any way. In addition, it'd be seen as a provocation... and in a war with as high stakes as this could have, it'd be useful to strike first.

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Grammar flames are lame. I learned that when I was 12.

MegaDethHeade

Now THIS is a war I will totally back. Unlike Iraq, where there was NO evidence of WMD's, here there is AMPLE evidece.

I think the moral justification is much easier in this case. However, I think the harder question this time is, should the US attack, cause a crapload of US servicemen will die? NK has a pretty good army, and unlike the middle east, they have mountainous forest which is much easier to defend. US airpower will have big problems compared to cruising the desert.

SmookyFufu
It's also been noted that a North Korean nuke can reach California, by the way

Shenanigans! Shenanigans on your statement!!!

That article says they are ready to begin testing a rocket that could deliver a payload to our soil.

So they haven't started testing yet, the tests could fail, and then they have to develop the nuke to put in the rocket that can make it to US soil...

Anyone else wonder why Bush decided to invade Iraq when clearly North Korea is the bigger threat?

Forget North Korea; this is OBVIOUS. What I want to know is this:

When is the Bush Administration going to contend with France and Quebec? SOMEONE needs to take them out!

Oh and while we're at it? BLAME CANADA! They HAVE to be at fault somehow, some way. Maybe Osama Bin Laden is hiding in the Tundra? ;)

/this post brought to you by the letters f(ark), n(orth), k(orea), the number 2, and I GOT NUTTIN' SO I'LL JUST MAKE TOTALLY UNRELATED, INCOHERENT ASSHAT REMARKS :-D

Okay, I shut up now, and I blame this post on. . . hmmm, being wired on caffiene. Yeah, that's a good excuse. Blame the caffiene.

I think the moral justification is much easier in this case. However, I think the harder question this time is, should the US attack, cause a crapload of US servicemen will die? NK has a pretty good army, and unlike the middle east, they have mountainous forest which is much easier to defend. US airpower will have big problems compared to cruising the desert.

Look at you being all reasonable. Quit it. It's not as fun.

How did we deal with that shiat in the Korean War? I wish I knew more its history right now.

NK is way different that Iraq. As soon as anything goes down (so doubtful that it will, at the US's hands), SK will be funnelling money, food, and culture to the north. Families will be too busy trying to reunite to shoot at SK and US troops. And, there is no reason to believe that SK won't assume political control after the fall of kim and reunite Korea. Goverment, law and order would be preserved.

That said, China will step in as soon as it appears the US is going to take action.

How romantic.. Wonder where the US will take N. Korea

Anyone else wonder why Bush decided to invade Iraq when clearly North Korea is the bigger threat?

Because North Korea is the bigger threat.

richbob - they used ground troops...over 30,000 of them died...

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JaxGator75, SmookyFufu

So they haven't started testing yet, the tests could fail, and then they have to develop the nuke to put in the rocket that can make it to US soil...

It doesn't matter. All they gotta do is get a nuke in a shipping container and send it to LA. I'm sure they're making friends with any terrorists they can find right now.

Ironic isn't it? Atheists and Islamic fundamentalists aren't typically bed fellows. By 2004, everybody except dittozombies will hate the US Government.

The military-industry complex makes enemies to justify its existence.

Anyone else wonder why Bush decided to invade Iraq when clearly North Korea is the bigger threat?

China has yet to play a role in NK. and Iraq is in the short term, strategically more important.

richbob - they used ground troops...over 30,000 of them died...

Hmm. Well, that's not encouraging. Not sure of the degree to which technological advances will help in that regard either. Won't make the mountains go away. We have managed to level forest and jungle areas with very heavy weaponry in recent warfare. Can't clear it all though. Yikes.

"Spiffy?" Once again... Awwww crap!

Ok...

Well I set up a betting pool last year what day would India and Pakistan start shooting at each other... which they didn't

So in the spirit of that macabre exercise I present.

Which US city will North Korea Nuke

Now he only has one or maybe two of them so he has to make every shot count. So which city on the west coast (since that is as far as the missles go) do you think Kim Jong Il will nuke if and when we invade his little po-dunk backwater?

1. San Francisco
2. Los Angeles
3. Portland
4. Lake Tahoe
5. Seattle
6. Nome
7. Ankorage
8. Pearl Harbor

suck it down

We go to war, Seoul is gone. The north has all that arty and a big ass dam just upriver from the city. Blow the damn and no more Seoul.

George would be happy to personally wage
war on North Korea.

43%

Your optimistic scenario puree would make a good baby food.

If you'll all excuse me, the pending apocalypse means I must go out looting.

Girl at counter:
"Hey, do you have soul?"

Rob:
"That all depends."
(phone rings)
"Back row right next to the blues."

TheInsideEye : but have they yet

George would be happy to personally wage
war on North Korea.

Sure, but what would Weezie think?

Code_Archeologist

Judging by texnomad's post, Washington D.C. is target numero uno.

43% => Yes, they are actually discussing possible economic sanctions if NK does not comply with various demands that the international community is requesting...

I bet France will surrender!

MysticSavage

If you'll all excuse me, the pending apocalypse means I must go out looting.

Interesting, that's how George Akerlof (2001 Nobel Prize winner in Economics) described Bush's economic policy.

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,258983,00.html

Code_Archeologist,

No bets until you spell Anchorage correctly.


KJI would never shoot a nuke at Anchorage, because he knows that we'd just send a couple dozen beered-up Alaskans over there and feed his whole freakin army to our dogs.

pontechango the missiles cannot reach DC.

Son of Thunder heh... I need a spell checker. When i put up my betting pool again I will correct the spelling.

I have a feeling that doing this will result in a nuke attack on US soil within two years.


It won't come from North Korea anyway. While they have missles, they cannot get much farther than Japan. We will have to get someone else mad to launch ICBM's at us. Otherwise our saber-ratteling could make both South Korea and Japan smoking holes and we do not want that.

Why are we so afraid of the Axis of Evil? They're no real threat to us and never were. If the current (and previous) administration wasn't so busy running around the world playing "The Last Superpower" there wouldn't be so many terrorists trying to hurt us.

$85 billion for Iraq. Maybe another $100 billion to fight Korea? Then Iran? We're running ourselves so deep into debt our great-grandchildren will still be paying off the loans. That's the real threat to American. It's sad that our politicians are too short-sited to see that.

I thought James Bond had this thing all wrapped up earlier this year.

He spent some time in a POW camp, got blacklisted, came back to overcome a bad Madonna song and spend a night in an ice hotel, before getting into his invisible car and going to the DMZ, where it was finally duked out with a fencing hottie before exploding half the peninsula with a giant space laser.

I think Kim's learned his lesson.

Better wait till after Christmas so the tax refund has a chance to work through the economy

/It came upon a Midnight clear...

Just a military planning excercise, goofnagles.
KN always does its silly sabre rattling, "we will destroy you" talk befor ethe negotiations. we are doing the same for them. it is apparently the only way to deal with the silly bastards.

There will be no Korean War II. NK doesn't have the money r food or much else to pull it off.

Kim is on his way out, though, rest assured. Man you guys get riled up easy. You'd be all upset when you found out how many guys at the biker bar had big guns in their jackets. Jeez.

Fraidy cat, fraidy cat.

Its 4:42, close enuf to quittin time, i'm outta here.

Falling poll numbers for Bush

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North Korea

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Gullible, easy to scare voters

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Four more years with THESE asshats in power.

Code_archeologist:

That's as far as he says they'll go. I'm betting somewhere in the pacific.

Smookyfufu: ...It's also been noted that a North Korean nuke can reach California, by the way. http://www.guardian.co.uk/korea/article/0,2763,894520,00.html 30-60 days... I guess if the recall doesn't go the way Bush wants, he can kill two birds with one stone

/boy, that reads poorly

"We believe the use of air power in such a war would be swifter and more devastating than it was in Iraq,"

Why? Oh, because North Korea actually has working mass-destruction weapons factories?

"There's a regime that has lied to its citizens, curtailed their civil rights, launched wars on questionable pretexts, flouted the United Nations, and is currently developing nuclear weapons in defiance of international agreements. This regime must be changed.

You can probably guess who I'm talking about."

Hmmm let me guess !!!! The USA

I wonder how long it would take the NK population to accept that KJI isn't the "Great Leader" and that the rest of the world (well, half of us anyway) believes in WWii and the Internet...

From what I've read, they all toe the line over there. I can't help but wonder how much of that is truly faith in their "Great Leader" and how much is the gun in their collective backs???