Vanakatherock: It just so happens that when I actually provide a non-biased opinion


Your non biased opinion about how liberals are always whining and the ones who always use the recall option in our political system? That non biased opinion?

pxlboy: Vanakatherock: pxlboy: Vanakatherock: pxlboy: Vanakatherock: Coelacanth: Coelacanth: Vanakatherock: I LOVE watching the liberals whine like the little babies they are.
So let me get this right... Some PR firm pays you ten dollars an hour to work from a script in a boiler room somewhere. Do they let you bring in your own booze?
deadcrickets: If so, I'm in.

Here in Las Vegas, they feed their trolls too. There's a boiler room operation on the corner of Decatur and Flamingo. When they get on the bus I take to get home, they've got pockets full of sandwiches and granola bars.

So wait, let me get this straight. I come on Fark once every few weeks to even a month or two and all of a sudden I'm paid by a PR firm to work from a script in a boiler room somewhere?

SWEET

That's definitely more than I used to get from just reading the garbage the trolling liberals post.

pot, kettle, etc

Maybe you can help me since you've replied a lot.

Do Liberals really believe the stuff THEY say? Or is it a pure entertainment factor? Because they sure as hell don't say anything meaningful and when it comes to meaningful conversation, they can only provide insults and manufactured claims.

who said i was a liberal? you assumed that i am because i disagreed with what you posted.

i have some left-leaning beliefs, yes. but i am not the bleeding heart, panty-waist liberal caricature you seem to believe i (and others) to be.

I believe what I see until I see otherwise. Isn't that how the world works anyway?

alrighty. so, the entirety of my statements consisted of calling you out on making hypocritical statements makes me a liberal?

if you say so.

No, your statements consisted of retarded, left-leaning, troll bearing comments that suggested I was paid to comment on the internet.

Kumana Wanalaia: Remember, people:

If you vote Republican or Tea party in 2012, THIS is what you'll get.

Someone who will actually do something about the rising debt. Hope and Change better be taking notes.

Headso: Vanakatherock: It just so happens that when I actually provide a non-biased opinion


Your non biased opinion about how liberals are always whining and the ones who always use the recall option in our political system? That non biased opinion?

Obviously that wasn't a non-biased opinion, and one that I wasn't referring too. My fault as I didn't give enough info, as the statement was in a huffpo article a month ago.

Vanakatherock: Weaver95: Vanakatherock: Do Liberals really believe the stuff THEY say? Or is it a pure entertainment factor? Because they sure as hell don't say anything meaningful and when it comes to meaningful conversation, they can only provide insults and manufactured claims.

can you give an example of what you mean?

Quick and easy? The Saturday Night Live joke gone bad about Sarah Palin claiming she can see Russia from her house. It turned out to be a joke so many people believed to be true. A manufactured claim in the form of a joke by a liberal actress.

Alright, while (much like a troll) you're again navigating away from the actual topic, I'd like to point out that people don't actually believe this... They're making fun of you. You know the hundreds of "We love you Tina Fey!" signs at the Wisconsin Capitol? News Flash: That was sarcasm.

Now, please explain why you're defending the "financial martial law" cause.

cmb53208: tektwo:

I live in Manhattan and my yuppy lib friends don't even care about this anymore. They have already moved on.

Well now, the feelings of yuppies in Manhattan are such an accurate barometer of Wisconsin politics. I mean if a yuppie in Manhattan doesn't care, that means they don't care in Baraboo, Madison, Janesville, Ashland, and Green Bay right?

And you do know that FOUR Republican state senators are up for recall, right? But hey, since Manhattan doesn't care that means Walker is safe, right?

+1

News flash 99% of america gives 2 shiats about some annoying coastie opinion.

Learn to pronounce your R's!!

tektwo: I doubt he will be recalled... His poll numbers are way north of 50, the so called "message election" of the supreme court judge went his way. Also the Union protests are really losing steam, not many people outside Unions really care.

I'm pretty liberal and I'd say you are probably right, politically speaking attacking these public unions is a brilliant long term strategy by the republicans because it is an attack on their base. The democrats should actually start playing hard ball and go after with full force at removing tax exempt status for churches that act politically in any way that is perceivable, they could run smaller churches into the ground just trying to defend themselves. that would be a similar political attack on the republican base.

Weaver95: quoinguy: SWEET.

It's about time people realize it's time to live within a budget.

/Walker's the best thing to happen to this state in decades.

this is true - Walker has singlehandedly recharged and revitalized the labor unions across the country. plus, he's also kick started a very successful effort to remove Wisconsin republicans from office and it looks like his actions will play a key role in getting Obama re-elected in 2012.


Time will answer all your questions and concerns.
--Trying oust Prosser was the full-court press--and it failed.
--Communities that quick-signed contract extensions are screwed.
--The recalls will fizzle, not enough gas in the rage tank.
--BO is down in the local polls, we just need to viable candidate.

I actually look forward to 2012.

cmb53208: tektwo:

I live in Manhattan and my yuppy lib friends don't even care about this anymore. They have already moved on.

Well now, the feelings of yuppies in Manhattan are such an accurate barometer of Wisconsin politics. I mean if a yuppie in Manhattan doesn't care, that means they don't care in Baraboo, Madison, Janesville, Ashland, and Green Bay right?

And you do know that FOUR Republican state senators are up for recall, right? But hey, since Manhattan doesn't care that means Walker is safe, right?

dude, relax. first off, it appears the people of Wisconsin don't care. Anyone can force a recall with a couple thousand signatures. One Union group can do that.

Walker is still over 50%, closer to 60 approval rating.
Walker by proxy won the last election.

the point I was trying to make is that it appears nobody really is angry about this anymore, people are more concerned with the US losing it's credit rating than union rights.

sorry that it upsets you, but while people may talk about it on a forum nobody cares enough about it to actually do anything.

i couldn't care either way, any measure that saves the US money is ok in my book. I don't care if it's Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Greens, Communists or Leprechauns, if someone actually gives a crap about how money is spent they're ok in my book.

Bf+: Vanakatherock: Weaver95: Vanakatherock: Do Liberals really believe the stuff THEY say? Or is it a pure entertainment factor? Because they sure as hell don't say anything meaningful and when it comes to meaningful conversation, they can only provide insults and manufactured claims.

can you give an example of what you mean?

Quick and easy? The Saturday Night Live joke gone bad about Sarah Palin claiming she can see Russia from her house. It turned out to be a joke so many people believed to be true. A manufactured claim in the form of a joke by a liberal actress.

Alright, while (much like a troll) you're again navigating away from the actual topic, I'd like to point out that people don't actually believe this... They're making fun of you. You know the hundreds of "We love you Tina Fey!" signs at the Wisconsin Capitol? News Flash: That was sarcasm.

Now, please explain why you're defending the "financial martial law" cause.

Surely.

While I don't fully support the whole "taking over" part of the idea, I would say that sending a financial manager to struggling cities should be welcomed because there are so many people in Government that are paid to manage money who can't even manage their own finances. Why should an entire city/town be brought down financially due to the inability of politicians to properly manage money?

Hoopido: Someone who will actually do something about the rising debt

you've got people that want to defund planned parenthood and npr to solve the debt problem. Atleast if the guys you had coming in were seriously going to lower the debt it wouldn't be a bad thing but you don't, you got wedge issue douches and authoritarians and class warfare assholes trying to bury the middle class.

Headso: tektwo: I doubt he will be recalled... His poll numbers are way north of 50, the so called "message election" of the supreme court judge went his way. Also the Union protests are really losing steam, not many people outside Unions really care.

I'm pretty liberal and I'd say you are probably right, politically speaking attacking these public unions is a brilliant long term strategy by the republicans because it is an attack on their base. The democrats should actually start playing hard ball and go after with full force at removing tax exempt status for churches that act politically in any way that is perceivable, they could run smaller churches into the ground just trying to defend themselves. that would be a similar political attack on the republican base.

I am a Liberal, but it's really hard for me to feel bad for the Unions. I am sickened by our spending practices. I assume Walker is using this for political gains, but if it spawns debate in this country about our wasteful spending I am for it.

The Voice of Doom: Yeah, because Sarah Palin said that "you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska", which is a totally different thing than saying "from my house".

Technically true.

Link (new window)

Bung_Howdy: Good report about this on Rachel Maddow last night. The town is 90% black, average annual salary hovering around 10K, and the other (wealthier) side of the lake is moving forward on building an expensive golf course/housing tracts for rich (white) folks that will expand to that town. The main players (local pols) also have a stake in the golf course/fancy housing (investments, board seats, etc.) Their one community asset (a local park) is going to be taken away under imminent domain.

Get a job and tell your citizens to stop smoking crack in the park.

tektwo: dude, relax. first off, it appears the people of Wisconsin don't care. Anyone can force a recall with a couple thousand signatures. One Union group can do that.

Wrong. It takes over 10,000 signatures to force a recall election. In some cases, 20,000+.

the point I was trying to make is that it appears nobody really is angry about this anymore, people are more concerned with the US losing it's credit rating than union rights.

You must not be from Wisconsin. This is why the Democrats have had success in getting signatures for a recall election and the Republicans haven't.

tektwo: any measure

Right, then.

The desperation of the trolls is almost as encouraging as the outspoken outrage of the people:

Most of the liberals posting in this thread are complete hypocrites or selectively remember history in favor of their view of the world.

Vanakatherock: While I don't fully support the whole "taking over" part of the idea, I would say that sending a financial manager to struggling cities should be welcomed because there are so many people in Government that are paid to manage money who can't even manage their own finances. Why should an entire city/town be brought down financially due to the inability of politicians to properly manage money?

The problem is that the finances bubble up. If Detroit goes bankrupt, then Wayne County has to foot the bill for police/fire/schools/etc. If Wayne County goes bankrupt, then the state of Michigan has to step in. Snyder's bill was designed to step in way before any of that legal hassle starts. The warning system consists of the city not being able to make payroll, pension payments, pay large bills, etc. just once. Then they start investigating. Then the EFM must blog about what they're planning, in advance. Yes the bill does say they must post on a public website what they're planning.

Vanakatherock: I don't fully support the whole "taking over" part of the idea,

You have a funny way of saying it.

tektwo:

dude, relax. first off, it appears the people of Wisconsin don't care. Anyone can force a recall with a couple thousand signatures. One Union group can do that.



A couple of thousand? No, the smallest amount of signatures needed for one of the recalls was 16,000 and it required far more than a couple of union stewards standing in front of Home Depot with clipboards: a lot of these districts are rather sparsely populated and people put a great deal of effort into getting these signatures. FOUR state senators, more than in the entirety of this state's history or up for recall. So I guess this happened becuase nobody gives a fark huh?

And again, I can't stress this enough: what people talk about in Manhattan is not an accurate barometer of Wisconsin politics.

so the guy is anti union. big deal. it isn't a huge secret.

I'm not particularly fond of the way unions are being run and public sector unions are certainly a bad idea.

tektwo: I am a Liberal, but it's really hard for me to feel bad for the Unions.

I sort of agree on public sector unions but I see them as atleast a line of defense against the GOP's creepy ideology. For that reason I support them.

The Bad News: Walker's been talking to Michigan's Governor Snyder, who was the first to implement this sort of plutocratic fiat.

The Good News: Governor Snyder will also be recalled come November.

The Awesome Sauce: Hey Republicans! Jennifer Granholm made it 8 years as Governor of Michigan. Your guy won't last more than one year! Enjoy your descent into irrelevance in the state of Michigan.

Vanakatherock: Vanakatherock: I LOVE watching the liberals whine like the little babies they are.

Do Liberals really believe the stuff THEY say? Or is it a pure entertainment factor? Because they sure as hell don't say anything meaningful and when it comes to meaningful conversation, they can only provide insults and manufactured claims.

Hmmm...there's something interesting about your post...I just can't seem to put my finger on it...

thrgd456: so the guy is anti union. big deal. it isn't a huge secret.

The union police officers and the firefighters marching with bagpipes blaring suggests otherwise.

incidentally, if anyone has NOT read 'It can't happen here' by Sinclair Lewis then now would be a good time to hit your local library and check out a copy.

I tried to check it out but I was selected for secondary screening.

FlashHarry: ZeroCorpse: Hey Republicans! Jennifer Granholm made it 8 years as Governor of Michigan.

to be fair, gov. granholm is a GILF.

Oh, hell yeah. I'd do her. Especially nine years ago.

jonasborg: tektwo: dude, relax. first off, it appears the people of Wisconsin don't care. Anyone can force a recall with a couple thousand signatures. One Union group can do that.

Wrong. It takes over 10,000 signatures to force a recall election. In some cases, 20,000+.

the point I was trying to make is that it appears nobody really is angry about this anymore, people are more concerned with the US losing it's credit rating than union rights.

You must not be from Wisconsin. This is why the Democrats have had success in getting signatures for a recall election and the Republicans haven't.

If this is true, why did Prosser win?

I think you are projecting your social circle to all of Wisconsin.

I love that tea-baggers just gloss over the tax cuts for the super-rich and start talking about the arts and education as if they're expendable.

All other states envy Best Wisconsin!

Weaver95: Bf+: thrgd456: so the guy is anti union. big deal. it isn't a huge secret.

The union police officers and the firefighters marching with bagpipes blaring suggests otherwise.

it's interesting how little air play/circulation those images got.

Seriously.
Just try finding the full image of the 150,000+ person protest.
/Seriously.
//70,000 my ass.

Overfiend: If this is true, why did Prosser win?

I think you are projecting your social circle to all of Wisconsin.

First off, I was responding to a comment "the people of Wisconsin don't care," which is false.

Prosser won, yes, but by a small margin to someone who only a couple of months before nobody knew who she was nor did she poll well at all. In this type of election, the incumbent almost certainly wins by a large margin. Do you believe his >.05% win is indicative that nobody cares anymore or that the Conservative agenda has been blessed by all of Wisconsin (except Dane County of course) or something?

My guess on why he won is that some people put their political leanings aside to vote for who they thought was the best candidate or as usual voted for the incumbent. That being said, they were both qualified candidates.

Christ, I can't wait to kick this guy out on his ass.