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(CNN)   "People are taking their comedians seriously and their politicians as a joke," - Will Rogers   (cnn.com) divider line 59
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2011-04-18 11:50:22 AM  
Here's the breakdown by PP's own accounting:

abortion procedures = 324,008
adoption referals to other agencies = 2,405
prenatal clients = 9,433

*

Those that buy into the emotion that is Leftism fall back on the 'one person' theory. I had an argument with my Leftist sister about notification of parents when giving contraception to grade school girls. She said 'but there's that one girl who cannot talk to her parents'. You know, like 'we should do away with the death penalty because there is always the chance that we may execute that one innocent person'. It's always just emotional. No logic there. Oh yeah, they will also just lie to get people riled up.

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I just saw this morning a claim that PPP's business is just 3% baby killings. It may have been on 'Way Too Early'. I think it was by number of procedures, with the claim that breast exams and cancer screenings were much more common. I don't believe it.
 
2011-04-18 12:12:50 PM  
"The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of John P. Avlon."


And that is why the headline is true. It's not politicians, or comedians, it's the media that puts the objective fact Kyl is full of shiat in an a motherfarking editorial. labeled as opinion. Rather than reporting it as news.
 
2011-04-18 12:17:15 PM  

DarnoKonrad: "The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of John P. Avlon."


And that is why the headline is true. It's not politicians, or comedians, it's the media that puts the objective fact Kyl is full of shiat in an a motherfarking editorial. labeled as opinion. Rather than reporting it as news.


"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
- Isaac Asimov
 
2011-04-18 12:17:17 PM  

DarnoKonrad: "The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of John P. Avlon."


And that is why the headline is true. It's not politicians, or comedians, it's the media that puts the objective fact Kyl is full of shiat in an a motherfarking editorial. labeled as opinion. Rather than reporting it as news.


Or rather, that one side of our two party system is nothing more than political theater and they are given the same weight as the rational side of it.

That's a pretty serious issue considering how dominant the media is in our country's discourse.
 
2011-04-18 12:17:51 PM  
My first politics green. I am thrilled.
 
2011-04-18 12:18:31 PM  
DEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRP

Fark, Freep Impact beat me to it.
 
2011-04-18 12:22:24 PM  
The derp will flow soon, since the article talks about the "discredited birther conspiracy theory" (which it is).

....Goddammit
 
2011-04-18 12:22:38 PM  
No one posted that "My news channel ---->Comedy Central, My comedy channel - fox" yet?
 
2011-04-18 12:22:54 PM  
To be fair, comedians seem to be the ones taking their jobs seriously.
 
2011-04-18 12:23:53 PM  
You can learn from Stewart and Colbert than pretty much anyone on Fox. Sad but true.
 
2011-04-18 12:23:53 PM  

Freep Impact: Those that buy into the emotion that is Leftism fall back on the 'one person' theory. I had an argument with my Leftist sister about notification of parents when giving contraception to grade school girls. She said 'but there's that one girl who cannot talk to her parents'. You know, like 'we should do away with the death penalty because there is always the chance that we may execute that one innocent person'. It's always just emotional. No logic there. Oh yeah, they will also just lie to get people riled up.


And there you have it. Freepers would rather kill innocents than have those on death row resigned to "only" life sentences...

/thanks to Freep Impact for trudging through the derp
 
2011-04-18 12:24:54 PM  

DarnoKonrad: "The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of John P. Avlon."


And that is why the headline is true. It's not politicians, or comedians, it's the media that puts the objective fact Kyl is full of shiat in an a motherfarking editorial. labeled as opinion. Rather than reporting it as news.


See, there's big T Truths and little t truths. Your 'facts', your 'figures', well, they're little t truths. Yes, they might, on a good day with the wind at your back, be technically correct. But the big T Truth is that Planned Parenthood is a bunch of baby-killing racist gay-agenda-promoting atheists hell bent on destroying the fabric of America. You know, the Red, White and Blue fabric? All they do is kill babies and use the flag to mop up the aborted afterbirth then call it progress.

Jefferson didn't believe in abortions for poor black women. Why should we?
 
2011-04-18 12:26:55 PM  

Madbassist1: My first politics green. I am thrilled.


Good job, dude, and congrats. That's the first thing I've read on CNN in months that didn't make me want to toss my laptop into the river. But this is an opinion piece. The "news" is still an awful joke.
 
2011-04-18 12:31:30 PM  
When a politician lies, is that news?

I the tsunami would make page 20 if we reported the lies as news.

The worst part is when they go to the CBO and tell them to calculate the cost of something with the requirement that all the lies be truth.
 
2011-04-18 12:33:09 PM  
Oh... I'm sorry... you have 'goodfacts' confused for 'realfacts.'
 
2011-04-18 12:33:34 PM  
Comedians don't pretend to tell the truth.
 
2011-04-18 12:34:53 PM  

palelizard: Jefferson didn't believe in abortions for poor black women. Why should we?


For the exact same reasons that he had. The baby might be mine and I can afford to take care of it.
 
2011-04-18 12:35:55 PM  

t3knomanser: Comedians don't pretend to tell the truth.


Colbert and Stewart sure do pretend to pretend to tell the truth.
 
2011-04-18 12:36:33 PM  

Madbassist1: My first politics green. I am thrilled.


Congrats. You brought more of value to fark than the people with four digit greelight lists of shiatty troll articles with shiatty troll headlines.
 
2011-04-18 12:39:27 PM  
Was the 'obvious' tag too afraid to show its face?

liverleef: You can learn from Stewart and Colbert than pretty much anyone on Fox. Sad but true.


Unless it's a grammar lesson you're hoping for.
 
2011-04-18 12:39:28 PM  
Jackson Herring:value to fark
 
2011-04-18 12:41:53 PM  

catpuncher: Jackson Herring:value to fark

Value To Fark

was the first record I ever bought.
 
2011-04-18 12:44:05 PM  

DarnoKonrad: And that is why the headline is true. It's not politicians, or comedians, it's the media that puts the objective fact Kyl is full of shiat in an a motherfarking editorial. labeled as opinion. Rather than reporting it as news.


And as the editorial aptly notes, the real news here isn't that a politician lied. It's that instead of issuing a correction or a clarification coupled with a claim that Kyle made an "honest mistake," his staff just said "WTF? Truth is for liberal pussies."
 
2011-04-18 12:46:48 PM  

DarnoKonrad: "The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of John P. Avlon."


And that is why the headline is true. It's not politicians, or comedians, it's the media that puts the objective fact Kyl is full of shiat in an a motherfarking editorial. labeled as opinion. Rather than reporting it as news.


Well, you know what they say about the Internet - garbage in, gospel out.

/the same apparently applies to all media now
 
Bf+
2011-04-18 12:47:56 PM  
images.wikia.com
/oblig
 
2011-04-18 12:50:30 PM  

Bf+: images.wikia.com
/oblig


Pretty much this. If the media was doing its job then Stewart would have a lot less material to work with.
 
2011-04-18 12:51:41 PM  

Jackson Herring: Madbassist1: My first politics green. I am thrilled.

Congrats. You brought more of value to fark than the people with four digit greelight lists of shiatty troll articles with shiatty troll headlines.


Sad, isn't it? Though an opinion piece, it's a solid overview of the ills that plague modern American politics. We need more of these, and less WND and crap like that environmentalist article just down the tab. Hell, I've long advocated that people submit rational conservative commentary. Difficult to find, but it's out there.

"B-b-ut dickfreckle, you're just admiring subby's green because the column attacks a conservative! If it were critical of Obama you'd blow a fuse!" Not really. It just happens to be that conservatives are largely responsible for the sort of "misinformation" we're getting these days. Hell, let's stop being polite...theirs is a concerted effort and union of well-designed prevarications designed to coerce people via fear. Which is one the key points of the column.
 
2011-04-18 12:53:01 PM  

ciderczar: catpuncher: Jackson Herring:value to fark

Value To Fark was the first record I ever bought.


cdn.pimpmyspace.org
 
2011-04-18 12:56:46 PM  

catpuncher: Colbert and Stewart sure do pretend to pretend to tell the truth


No, they don't. They don't pretend to do anything- they tell jokes. And sometimes, the truth is the punchline.
 
2011-04-18 12:58:56 PM  
They got Will Rogers and they'll get Stewart and Colbert, too. Take Greyhound, fellas.

/tinfoil-hat
 
2011-04-18 12:59:20 PM  
Will Rogers just earned my vote! what's he running for again?
 
2011-04-18 01:03:34 PM  

t3knomanser: catpuncher: Colbert and Stewart sure do pretend to pretend to tell the truth

No, they don't. They don't pretend to do anything- they tell jokes. And sometimes, the truth is the punchline.


Right over your head.
 
2011-04-18 01:04:03 PM  
www.prisonplanet.com

This made Colbert better then any 'Journalist' in the last 12 years.
 
2011-04-18 01:06:39 PM  

t3knomanser: catpuncher: Colbert and Stewart sure do pretend to pretend to tell the truth

No, they don't. They don't pretend to do anything- they tell jokes. And sometimes, the truth is the punchline.


Meh, I'd go farther than that. Colbert and Stewart currently serve as People Who Expose Bullsh*t. I don't watch a whole lot, but when I do I don't really see either of them specifically pushing an agenda (and I mean specifically, like BillO saying "HCR will ruin this country, vote against it."). What I do see are two guys who have no problem calling out the emperor's new clothes. As I mentioned above, it just happens to be 'conservatives' that, as a general rule, are spreading the most outlandish BS.

For those Fark Independents who wouldn't be caught dead watching TDS, Stewart also routinely holds Obama to task. They conveniently forget that part.

Anyway, those guys are very valuable in today's environment. Since the "MSM" won't call anyone on their lies, someone has to. And it's on Comedy farking Central...
 
2011-04-18 01:25:16 PM  

skyotter: Will Rogers just earned my vote! what's he running for again?


He kinda sorta ran for President in 1928 (new window). :)

/and he never met a man he didn't like
 
2011-04-18 01:33:16 PM  
What a hilarious headline from an embattled news channel that has taken satire shots from comedians reporting on the news.
 
2011-04-18 01:33:37 PM  
I like John Avlon?
 
2011-04-18 01:55:56 PM  

DarnoKonrad: "The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of John P. Avlon."


And that is why the headline is true. It's not politicians, or comedians, it's the media that puts the objective fact Kyl is full of shiat in an a motherfarking editorial. labeled as opinion. Rather than reporting it as news.


Goddammitsomuch, THIS!

Kyl saying 90% instead of 3% is a fact. Trump repeating thoroughly debunked lies is a FACT. Report the goddamn news, ppl. Don't file the news as Opinion, and the commentaries as News.
 
2011-04-18 02:09:18 PM  

This Face Left Blank: DarnoKonrad: "The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of John P. Avlon."

And that is why the headline is true. It's not politicians, or comedians, it's the media that puts the objective fact Kyl is full of shiat in an a motherfarking editorial. labeled as opinion. Rather than reporting it as news.

Goddammitsomuch, THIS!

Kyl saying 90% instead of 3% is a fact. Trump repeating thoroughly debunked lies is a FACT. Report the goddamn news, ppl. Don't file the news as Opinion, and the commentaries as News.


Facts have a liberal bias.

Look at Media Matters - they expose lies and misinformation, so they're lambasted as liberals.
 
2011-04-18 02:18:16 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: Look at Media Matters - they expose lies and misinformation, so they're lambasted as liberals.


uhhh...

"Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media." (new window)

So...yeah. They are liberal. Which isn't to say that what they're doing isn't accurate, but to suggest that they don't have a liberal bent is silly.
 
2011-04-18 02:20:11 PM  

This Face Left Blank: Kyl saying 90% instead of 3% is a fact. Trump repeating thoroughly debunked lies is a FACT. Report the goddamn news, ppl. Don't file the news as Opinion, and the commentaries as News.


But I have opinions about the facts, and those opinions should be treated as truth until disproven, especially if there is a parallel claim to mine. After all, the entire idea of news is based on the balance between an absurd claim and its corresponding factual refutation, as well as the resulting modifies ridiculous claim with an armload of ridiculous people to back it up. Right?
 
2011-04-18 02:21:26 PM  

kasmel: uhhh...

"Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media." (new window)

So...yeah. They are liberal. Which isn't to say that what they're doing isn't accurate, but to suggest that they don't have a liberal bent is silly.


I notice the distinct lack of a claim that Media Matters doesn't have a liberal bent.
 
2011-04-18 02:23:37 PM  

thamike: as well as the resulting modifies ridiculous claim with an armload of ridiculous people to back it up. Right?


I should have proofread that.
 
2011-04-18 02:24:43 PM  

thamike: I notice the distinct lack of a claim that Media Matters doesn't have a liberal bent.


"they expose lies and misinformation, so they're lambasted as liberals."

The intimation is that they are considered liberal due chiefly to the fact that they tell the truth. Not because they specifically target conservative talking points.

Again, not saying there's anything wrong with that...just pointing out that that's a false representation.
 
2011-04-18 02:32:26 PM  

kasmel: "they expose lies and misinformation, so they're lambasted as liberals."

The intimation is that they are considered liberal due chiefly to the fact that they tell the truth. Not because they specifically target conservative talking points.


I hadn't noticed the "so." Thanks.
 
2011-04-18 02:33:44 PM  
Then again, being lambasted as "liberals" is not the same as being recognized as liberals. So I understand what he meant by his rhetorical expediency.
 
2011-04-18 02:46:25 PM  

thamike: Then again, being lambasted as "liberals" is not the same as being recognized as liberals. So I understand what he meant by his rhetorical expediency.


I agree. There is a sense that they shouldn't be attacked for telling the truth. The counter-argument is simply that regardless of their regard for accuracy they are not an impartial party and that impacts their credibility.

FactCheck.org gets attacked by both sides. Though, from my experience more vociferously by the right. Impartiality is, sadly, subjective these days.
 
2011-04-18 03:15:44 PM  

kasmel: I agree. There is a sense that they shouldn't be attacked for telling the truth. The counter-argument is simply that regardless of their regard for accuracy they are not an impartial party and that impacts their credibility.


Credibility is only diminished by proven mistakes or falsehoods. If an opinionated source publishes opinions about the facts they present (without obfuscation/lying) labeled as opinions, then there really is no ethics at odds. A source doesn't need to acquiesce to demands for impartiality when they are by all accounts partial. The facts, though. The facts never change. When they do, then you have bias.

kasmel: FactCheck.org gets attacked by both sides. Though, from my experience more vociferously by the right. Impartiality is, sadly, subjective these days.


The right screams about the facts not being fair for a series of reasons:

1) The sheer flow of ready information and instant verification can destroy an opinion immediately. This is not a friendly partner with disinformation and dogma.

2) The media conglomerates, in their move to turn dueling opinion into the New Truth, have created a false ideal--Fair and Balanced--for vetting news. (I used Fox as a reference, just because their motto illustrates what I'm saying, but they are hardly alone in this). Because of this, those less inclined to think for themselves or who have been denied an education are under the impression that their opinion matters--solely on the basis that it is an opinion.

3) Reality Television (it's a throwaway--and I never thought it was true--but it seems to be the soldering iron of public society).
 
2011-04-18 03:18:19 PM  

kasmel: thamike


Opposing conservative misinformation is enough to make an entity liberal? If I make a site dedicated to correcting Glenn Beck's spelling errors would that make it a liberal site?

Media Matters is pretty obviously liberal, but I don't think it's because they only correct conservatives.
/and since everyone else left...
 
2011-04-18 03:25:15 PM  
I'm sure this aired on CNN followed by an announcement of "Coming up next, what happened on your favorite prime time celebrity game show? We'll let you know after the break. And, after that, we'll show the YouTube video you were e-mailed at work half a dozen times this week, and we'll act like we filmed the damn thing!"
 
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