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2011-04-18 09:59:05 AM
www.twodorks.com

So?
 
2011-04-18 09:59:24 AM
Donald Trump for President. Cheap gas.
 
2011-04-18 09:59:35 AM

RickyWilliams'sBong: CmndrFish: cameroncrazy1984: cretinbob: Yeah, but you get paid relatively more and most likely don't commute 50 miles a day like most people. Go fark yourself.

People who commute 50 miles a day are idiots.

This.

The days of the grand suburban sprawl are over, ladies and gents.

I hope you all like apartments, or living in houses next to *gasp* black people! It's OK, though. As soon as you come back here to the real city, you'll wonder why you ever left. Sure, there may be less room down here. You may have to take the bus, or ride a train, or park your car on the street, but I promise you, down here in the real city, we're a friendly bunch. Being able to walk to work is great.

So come on back, the water's juuuuuuuuust fine.

/East Side Milwaukee, represent
//despises big city suburbs, especially Milwaukee's

Hell, you don't even need to do that. I don't walk to work or take mass transit. But my wife and I only have one car, and our commute is so short that gas could go to $20/gallon and we'd be fine, although long before $20/gallon, I'd be taking the bus.

When you don't waste half your income on some overpriced shiatbox McMansion in the exurbs, and instead live below your means close to work, you can drive whatever you want and won't have to care about gas prices.


Your both missing a few key points here....

While yes, if gas going up a buck or two a gallon suddenly throws you into economic turmoil, you were clearly living above your means to begin with.

However high gas does have an overall affect on the economy, as everything else now costs more to transport. Air travel is more expensive, etc. This then causes prices of other things to go up, or earnings of companies to go down, which in turn affects the stock market, which then spills over into the economy as a whole.

So lauging at someone who has a 30 mile commute or something isn't really proving anything, and ultimately you will feel it as well in some form.
 
2011-04-18 10:02:14 AM

Headso: heh, near NY/MA border and we are just going to put our stuff in the greenhouse this week to start the plants. You're way ahead of us.


Luckily for you, though, you don't have to worry about an awful summer baking your entire garden. But if the summer is nice and rainy I think I'll get a shiat-ton of food.
 
2011-04-18 10:05:11 AM

seadoo2006: Nope ... VR6 engine with a performance tune. They never get good gas mileage unless you are around 60mph doing highway driving, but at that pace, I'd rather lose the 5mpg and go 75.

As you can see above, over the last 47,000 miles, I've averaged 22.4 MPG. The ECU reflash changed some of the gas mileage characteristics because of the new throttle response curve, it's harder to maintain a lower throttle percentage. The drive-by-wire curve is more steep so you get a better run, faster.

But, I've never needed gas mileage performance nor wanted it. I'd rather have the ability to speed up and pass someone quickly than drive an appliance that can't move it's own weight. The thought of being stuck in a Prius makes me cringe. Give me the "ROFLing wookie" sound of the VR6, and I'll be set for life.


Have you ever uttered the following phrase: "Hey yo, Wingo. Looks like we got ourselves a 'nodder'."?
 
2011-04-18 10:08:20 AM
The next time your wise ass, anti-SUV, neighbor or coworker gripes because he/she lost their Prius in a pot hole, and it's gonna cost them $2800 to get it fixed, just sigh and say; -Yeah, I had to pay an extra $28 to fill the tank on my Chevy Suburban this morning. Too bad the town can't afford the oil based asphalt to fix that nasty road for ya, sucker.


/That's cold, I know. :)
 
2011-04-18 10:10:18 AM
I get 12mpg in my truck. It's my own damn fault for buying it and I'm paying the price for high gas. I will however be getting something more fuel efficient once this truck goes kaput.
 
2011-04-18 10:12:58 AM
Grow your own food, live right next door to your job, never leave your neighborhood. Take your wife on vacation to a public park near your home. You both can laugh at all the people that spend money on gas and watch sweaty shirtless men play basketball!


Is this Right?
 
2011-04-18 10:13:01 AM
I expect to start seeing a flood of worthless gas mileage improvement gadgets about now. Magic magnets. Stuff like that.
 
2011-04-18 10:15:24 AM

Headso: My little garden is just starting to produce, though (I assume) because of the drought the rabbits are eating my plants rather than finding their food in the park.

/hopefully 16 ft of corn is enough to self-pollinate

heh, near NY/MA border and we are just going to put our stuff in the greenhouse this week to start the plants. You're way ahead of us.


I was thinking the same thing. Around here, I've always used Mother's day as a target for getting stuff in the ground.

/Southeastern Pa.
 
2011-04-18 10:16:28 AM

Arab Lover: Donald Trump for President. Cheap gas.


He clearly believe3s in cheap hair pieces.
 
2011-04-18 10:18:24 AM
I have a 95 Lincoln Towncar that gets 12.2mpg
I am on disability, due to dialysis, and soon will be unable to afford to get to dialysis if gas prices keep going up.
I can barely walk now because of my health, so I cannot get to/from the bus stops, so public transportation is not viable for me.
So what do all you self-righteous farkers out there recommend for me, hmmm?

/This is the situation of ALOT of people in America
//so poor I can't pay attention
///slashies
 
2011-04-18 10:18:42 AM
I got a POS Dodge van I bought to run a small home remodeling, painting and pressure washing business out of. The brakes need totally redone and, about three heart attacks, two strokes and a CHF diagnosis later, I am selling of all of the stuff for that business.

In the mean time, due to not being able to find some muppet job I can do that wont kill me, I am stuck with a crappy van that gets 10 MPG. Not 10 MPG city, 10 MPG. Period. All the time.

It costs 100.00 to fill the tank, now and gas is still 3.7~n a gal. here.

I gotta find something but I'm not sure who is gonna buy this van off me with gas prices. Good thing we have free health care now. Oh, wait...
 
2011-04-18 10:21:08 AM

dittybopper: seadoo2006: Nope ... VR6 engine with a performance tune. They never get good gas mileage unless you are around 60mph doing highway driving, but at that pace, I'd rather lose the 5mpg and go 75.

As you can see above, over the last 47,000 miles, I've averaged 22.4 MPG. The ECU reflash changed some of the gas mileage characteristics because of the new throttle response curve, it's harder to maintain a lower throttle percentage. The drive-by-wire curve is more steep so you get a better run, faster.

But, I've never needed gas mileage performance nor wanted it. I'd rather have the ability to speed up and pass someone quickly than drive an appliance that can't move it's own weight. The thought of being stuck in a Prius makes me cringe. Give me the "ROFLing wookie" sound of the VR6, and I'll be set for life.

Have you ever uttered the following phrase: "Hey yo, Wingo. Looks like we got ourselves a 'nodder'."?


Not familiar with that phrase ... come again?
 
2011-04-18 10:22:17 AM
Bloomberg Anywhere Professional Solutions About Log in
Energy & Oil Prices
OIL ($/bbl)
PRICE* CHANGE % CHANGE TIME
Nymex Crude Future 107.01 -2.65 -2.42% 10:08
Dated Brent Spot 121.89 -2.17 -1.75% 10:19
WTI Cushing Spot 107.63 -2.03 -1.85% 09:05

OIL (¢/gal)
PRICE* CHANGE % CHANGE TIME
Nymex Heating Oil Future 317.15 -5.27 -1.63% 10:08
Nymex RBOB Gasoline Future 324.08 -4.84 -1.47% 10:08

Why the sudden drop today? Are they reading this thread?
 
2011-04-18 10:22:57 AM

d3bug: I have a 95 Lincoln Towncar that gets 12.2mpg
I am on disability, due to dialysis, and soon will be unable to afford to get to dialysis if gas prices keep going up.
I can barely walk now because of my health, so I cannot get to/from the bus stops, so public transportation is not viable for me.
So what do all you self-righteous farkers out there recommend for me, hmmm?

/This is the situation of ALOT of people in America
//so poor I can't pay attention
///slashies


Actually, I don't think there are that many 95 Lincoln Town Cars still running.
 
2011-04-18 10:23:10 AM

theknuckler_33: I was thinking the same thing. Around here, I've always used Mother's day as a target for getting stuff in the ground.

/Southeastern Pa.


Well, I live in Houston. That also changes what I can grow - no raspberries here, much to my wife's disappointment.
 
2011-04-18 10:25:19 AM

The Crepes of Wrath: My bike gets 45 MPG,


oh yeah!
www.carfreeinkc.com
*blows raspberries*
 
2011-04-18 10:25:46 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: When I'm cruising down the road and focusing on my cadence (pedal-strokes per minute) and music but not really pushing it exertion-wise, this season my comfortable commuting pace seems to be between 22-23 and about 95 rpms. My commute is super fun, especially riding by Stanfurd everyday in my Cal kit.


Hah! My commute is too short for any kind of concern with how I'm riding. As far as comfy cruising speed, I do about 17 on the flats. I don't keep track of cadence but find a rhythm that works for me at the time and just maintain that. My club rides are Sunday jaunts (usually about 50 miles or so) or S24Os and seasonal costumery rides. Spring Tweeds and Summer Seersuckers are part of my kit. That and at least one long tour each year. (500 miles or so)
Me in Woolistic BLRC [Buffalo Lazy Randonneur] "kit"
farm3.static.flickr.com
 
2011-04-18 10:26:13 AM

d3bug: I have a 95 Lincoln Towncar that gets 12.2mpg
I am on disability, due to dialysis, and soon will be unable to afford to get to dialysis if gas prices keep going up.
I can barely walk now because of my health, so I cannot get to/from the bus stops, so public transportation is not viable for me.
So what do all you self-righteous farkers out there recommend for me, hmmm?

/This is the situation of ALOT of people in America
//so poor I can't pay attention
///slashies


How about trading in that towncar for a civic? Why do you need an inefficient boat like that anyway?
 
2011-04-18 10:28:01 AM
So can someone explain the correlation here? I'm woefully ignorant on the subject, but aren't most oil companies handled through OPEC. And OPEC is supposed to monitor these prices and follow how much surplus oil each company has - how much is estimated to be left in the wells, etc etc.

Or am I just dreaming this crap up?

It would stand to reason that demand remains pretty much fixed, but supply is threatened due to all that crap in the middle east. So why is it inflating prices almost 3-4 months after the whole damn thing started? Canning, exporting, refining, shipping can't possibly take that damn long in modern society.
 
2011-04-18 10:28:55 AM

theknuckler_33: d3bug: I have a 95 Lincoln Towncar that gets 12.2mpg
I am on disability, due to dialysis, and soon will be unable to afford to get to dialysis if gas prices keep going up.
I can barely walk now because of my health, so I cannot get to/from the bus stops, so public transportation is not viable for me.
So what do all you self-righteous farkers out there recommend for me, hmmm?

/This is the situation of ALOT of people in America
//so poor I can't pay attention
///slashies

How about trading in that towncar for a civic? Why do you need an inefficient boat like that anyway?


with what money?
 
2011-04-18 10:32:10 AM

YixilTesiphon: theknuckler_33: I was thinking the same thing. Around here, I've always used Mother's day as a target for getting stuff in the ground.

/Southeastern Pa.

Well, I live in Houston. That also changes what I can grow - no raspberries here, much to my wife's disappointment.


I hear ya. I don't really have a green thumb, so I stick to what I consider the 'fool-proof' stuff that I mentioned earlier. Never tried any fruit at all, BUT, my in-laws live in New Hampshire and we visit them in August each year and blueberries grow wild all over the place up there. We'll pick blueberries throughout the whole week and come home with quite a bit. They freeze pretty good too as long as you are just going to use them in pancakes or some other cooked application. They have a pretty big blackberry bush too, but that's only good enough for picking a few too munch on as you walk by... it's good for attracking black bear too!
 
2011-04-18 10:32:26 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: *blows raspberries*


this is interesting...

I've been digging around estimates, and have found that U.S. agriculture uses about 400 gasoline-gallon equivalents per American. Or 1.1 gallons per day, or about 10 Calories (40 BTU) from oil/gas for every Calorie of food. For beef, it's far worse, as close to 40 Calories of oil/gas (160 BTU) are used to produce one Calorie of beefy goodness.

You can see where this is going. I'm not the first to figure it out, but it's worth repeating. Your 3 mile walk burned 220 extra Calories over sitting, but drove the use of 2,200 Calories of fossil fuel. That's 1/14th of a gallon of gasoline (9oz.) So you're getting about 42 miles per gas-gallon of fossil fuel.

If you eat a lot of beef or other livestock, and want to consider your incremental food as having come from beef, it's around 10 miles per gallon. A Hummer does better!

So yes, if you drive your Prius instead of walking it's going to burn less fossil fuel. If 2 people drive in a more ordinary car it's going to burn less fossil fuel than both of them walking.

Biking's better. The average-diet cyclist is getting 85 miles per gallon of fossil fuel. Still better for 2 to share a Prius. The beefeater is, as before only 1/4 as good. At 21mpg he's better than a Hummer, but not that much better.

http://ideas.4brad.com/holy-cow-walking-consumes-more-gasoline-driving
 
2011-04-18 10:32:41 AM
Obama needs to DO SOMETHING. He needs to fix the gas prices. They are too high. I am not a crackpot.
 
2011-04-18 10:33:15 AM

RoosterCogburn: I'm woefully ignorant on the subject, but aren't most oil companies handled through OPEC. And OPEC is supposed to monitor these prices and follow how much surplus oil each company has - how much is estimated to be left in the wells, etc etc.


No. OPEC is a cartel of mainly Middle Eastern oil-producing nations. American and European oil companies are not affiliated with OPEC in the slightest, though they do produce oil in OPEC fields.

The "supermajors", or Big Oil, are six companies: BP, Chevron, ConocoPhillips, ExxonMobil, Shell, and Total (French). According to wiki:

As a group, the supermajors control about 6% of global oil and gas reserves with largest supermajor, ExxonMobil, ranked 14th. Conversely, 88% of global oil and gas reserves are controlled by state-owned oil companies, primarily located in the Middle East.[5]

These "state-owned oil companies" are owned by the governments which make up OPEC.
 
2011-04-18 10:33:43 AM

dittybopper: seadoo2006: Nope ... VR6 engine with a performance tune. They never get good gas mileage unless you are around 60mph doing highway driving, but at that pace, I'd rather lose the 5mpg and go 75.

As you can see above, over the last 47,000 miles, I've averaged 22.4 MPG. The ECU reflash changed some of the gas mileage characteristics because of the new throttle response curve, it's harder to maintain a lower throttle percentage. The drive-by-wire curve is more steep so you get a better run, faster.

But, I've never needed gas mileage performance nor wanted it. I'd rather have the ability to speed up and pass someone quickly than drive an appliance that can't move it's own weight. The thought of being stuck in a Prius makes me cringe. Give me the "ROFLing wookie" sound of the VR6, and I'll be set for life.

Have you ever uttered the following phrase: "Hey yo, Wingo. Looks like we got ourselves a 'nodder'."?


Never mind ... the Googles have determined this to be a "Cars" quote ... but, no, the insinuation that I'm some car-nut wannabe is false.

I own three cars:

A 2001 Volkswagen GTI GLX VR6, a 2000 Subaru Impreza 2.5RS (with a WRX EJ205 engine swap in progress)

a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net

and my newest baby, a 2005 Audi S4 with the 4.2L V8 ... 300HP of sex.

a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net
 
2011-04-18 10:33:55 AM

seadoo2006:
Not familiar with that phrase ... come again?


Watch this.

/May have misremembered the exact wording.
 
2011-04-18 10:35:55 AM

Ablejack: Uchiha_Cycliste: When I'm cruising down the road and focusing on my cadence (pedal-strokes per minute) and music but not really pushing it exertion-wise, this season my comfortable commuting pace seems to be between 22-23 and about 95 rpms. My commute is super fun, especially riding by Stanfurd everyday in my Cal kit.

Hah! My commute is too short for any kind of concern with how I'm riding. As far as comfy cruising speed, I do about 17 on the flats. I don't keep track of cadence but find a rhythm that works for me at the time and just maintain that. My club rides are Sunday jaunts (usually about 50 miles or so) or S24Os and seasonal costumery rides. Spring Tweeds and Summer Seersuckers are part of my kit. That and at least one long tour each year. (500 miles or so)
Me in Woolistic BLRC [Buffalo Lazy Randonneur] "kit"


It's Beautiful!
right now I'm starting to hit the hills again in hopes that soon (read next weekend) I'll have it in me to ride to Santa Cruz to hang out with my brother and his family and go over to Aunt Cookies (brother's wife's Dad's sister) for Easter Dinner/party. The hard part is to have Easter fun I would have to ride directly to work from Santa Cruz Monday Morning, making for a 48 miles morning with a 30 miles, 3000ft climb to start things off. THEN I would have to work all day.
 
2011-04-18 10:36:11 AM

seadoo2006: the insinuation that I'm some car-nut wannabe is false.


I wasn't insinuating that you are a car-nut wannabe.
 
2011-04-18 10:36:46 AM

YixilTesiphon: RoosterCogburn: I'm woefully ignorant on the subject, but aren't most oil companies handled through OPEC. And OPEC is supposed to monitor these prices and follow how much surplus oil each company has - how much is estimated to be left in the wells, etc etc.

No. OPEC is a cartel of mainly Middle Eastern oil-producing nations. American and European oil companies are not affiliated with OPEC in the slightest, though they do produce oil in OPEC fields.

The "supermajors", or Big Oil, are six companies: BP, Chevron, ConocoPhillips, ExxonMobil, Shell, and Total (French). According to wiki:

As a group, the supermajors control about 6% of global oil and gas reserves with largest supermajor, ExxonMobil, ranked 14th. Conversely, 88% of global oil and gas reserves are controlled by state-owned oil companies, primarily located in the Middle East.[5]

These "state-owned oil companies" are owned by the governments which make up OPEC.


Also, this is why people who blame ExxonMobil for high gas prices are morons. XOM can't do shiat about oil prices, only OPEC can.
 
2011-04-18 10:38:42 AM
The oil companies are run by the lizard people who give the gold to their masters and the oil is just a by-product.

/a good explanation as any
//not really
 
2011-04-18 10:39:24 AM

Tyee: burndtdan: hmm... hadn't noticed. it doesn't really affect me.

food prices are going up, transportation costs are driving almost everything up, yet you don't notice.


The last time gas prices skyrocketed, my favorite shawarma shop had to stop buying these awesome pickled turnips because the shipping costs from that supplier got too high and replaced them with crappy ones.
 
2011-04-18 10:39:42 AM

d3bug: theknuckler_33: d3bug: I have a 95 Lincoln Towncar that gets 12.2mpg
I am on disability, due to dialysis, and soon will be unable to afford to get to dialysis if gas prices keep going up.
I can barely walk now because of my health, so I cannot get to/from the bus stops, so public transportation is not viable for me.
So what do all you self-righteous farkers out there recommend for me, hmmm?

/This is the situation of ALOT of people in America
//so poor I can't pay attention
///slashies

How about trading in that towncar for a civic? Why do you need an inefficient boat like that anyway?

with what money?


I know you said your towncar is a '95, but it IS still a towncar. Unless it is a beater, I would imagine it might be possible to break even trading it for an old civic or other subcompact. Also, I see shuttles around here driving disabled people around... don't they have something like that around where you live? Maybe you can arrange something like to take you to your treatments.
 
2011-04-18 10:40:06 AM

Business Bird: Already $5.80-$6.00 for regular unleaded in Texas.


Maybe in Texas, Whateverplanetyouarefrom but not Texas, USA. I am in Dallas and paid $3.75 yesterday. A quick check of gasbuddy and there are a few stations in Texas that are at $4 now, but most are still under.

Remember that game we used to play as kids. Sit in a circle, whisper something in someones ear, they would then whisper it in the next persons ear until it made it all the way around. Then the last guy got to say what it was and everybody had a laugh as it had changed? You are that last guy, except there is no circle.
 
2011-04-18 10:41:04 AM

Headso: Uchiha_Cycliste: *blows raspberries*

this is interesting...

I've been digging around estimates, and have found that U.S. agriculture uses about 400 gasoline-gallon equivalents per American. Or 1.1 gallons per day, or about 10 Calories (40 BTU) from oil/gas for every Calorie of food. For beef, it's far worse, as close to 40 Calories of oil/gas (160 BTU) are used to produce one Calorie of beefy goodness.

You can see where this is going. I'm not the first to figure it out, but it's worth repeating. Your 3 mile walk burned 220 extra Calories over sitting, but drove the use of 2,200 Calories of fossil fuel. That's 1/14th of a gallon of gasoline (9oz.) So you're getting about 42 miles per gas-gallon of fossil fuel.

If you eat a lot of beef or other livestock, and want to consider your incremental food as having come from beef, it's around 10 miles per gallon. A Hummer does better!

So yes, if you drive your Prius instead of walking it's going to burn less fossil fuel. If 2 people drive in a more ordinary car it's going to burn less fossil fuel than both of them walking.

Biking's better. The average-diet cyclist is getting 85 miles per gallon of fossil fuel. Still better for 2 to share a Prius. The beefeater is, as before only 1/4 as good. At 21mpg he's better than a Hummer, but not that much better.

http://ideas.4brad.com/holy-cow-walking-consumes-more-gasoline-driving


A) I have to eat.
B) I eat very little beef, favoring fish and chicken.
C) the VAST majority of my calories come from pasta.
d) These numbers don't account for the slow foods movement (big thing in the bay area) which advocates buying locally to bypass these sorts of issues.
e) I'd be burning those calories to exercise, which is necessary to be healthy, Anyways! this way I just combine that exercise with my commute.
f) Therefore I am still using substantially less oil than someone who commutes by vehicle and then exercise, because it is unreasonable to say someone can not exercise and still be a healthy adult.
 
2011-04-18 10:41:44 AM
ford-fiesta-2012.info

Ford Fiesta- 40 MPG

chrisescars.com

Ford Focus- 40 MPG

www.automotive-magazine.com

Hyundai Elantra- 40 MPG

The choice is clear....one of these three...
 
2011-04-18 10:43:40 AM

Rapmaster2000: Obama needs to DO SOMETHING. He needs to fix the gas prices. They are too high. I am not a crackpot.


He raised gas prices to finance his reelection campaign.
 
2011-04-18 10:46:35 AM
I'll post this again:

i2.cdn.turner.com

It's a temporary cash grab, much like it was in 2008. The balancing point for a gallon of gas in the US is between $2.50 and $2.75. Everything above that is artificially produced through fear-mongering and speculation.

Just like in 2008, here's what will happen:

Once the price starts affecting people's budget, they will start driving less (in fact, they already have as gas demand has plummeted.) Eventually, news gets out that demand has plummeted and speculators start dumping their futures. The last ones to sell will be ones jumping out of the Wall Street windows. Fark 'em, those greedy bastards...

The price of gas will then drop well below the balancing point again (like when it hit $1.80 the last time). The country will rejoice, go back to driving normally again, demand will increase and gas will finally level out at $2.50. Once it levels out, the speculators will buy up as much oil futures as they can, then look for new ways to drive speculation up again so that they can sell their $65 dollar/barrel of oil for $110.

Rinse and repeat.
 
2011-04-18 10:49:06 AM

theknuckler_33: d3bug: theknuckler_33: d3bug: I have a 95 Lincoln Towncar that gets 12.2mpg
I am on disability, due to dialysis, and soon will be unable to afford to get to dialysis if gas prices keep going up.
I can barely walk now because of my health, so I cannot get to/from the bus stops, so public transportation is not viable for me.
So what do all you self-righteous farkers out there recommend for me, hmmm?

/This is the situation of ALOT of people in America
//so poor I can't pay attention
///slashies

How about trading in that towncar for a civic? Why do you need an inefficient boat like that anyway?

with what money?

I know you said your towncar is a '95, but it IS still a towncar. Unless it is a beater, I would imagine it might be possible to break even trading it for an old civic or other subcompact. Also, I see shuttles around here driving disabled people around... don't they have something like that around where you live? Maybe you can arrange something like to take you to your treatments.


your going to love the state's logic here....
they will take me either TO dialysis, or home FROM dialysis, but not both...
If I could get an even trade then absolutely, I would do it in a NY minute... but, I still have the problem of registration, insurance, etc... For that I have to save about 4-5 months...
 
2011-04-18 10:52:42 AM

StubePT: I'll post this again:



It's a temporary cash grab, much like it was in 2008. The balancing point for a gallon of gas in the US is between $2.50 and $2.75. Everything above that is artificially produced through fear-mongering and speculation.

Just like in 2008, here's what will happen:

Once the price starts affecting people's budget, they will start driving less (in fact, they already have as gas demand has plummeted.) Eventually, news gets out that demand has plummeted and speculators start dumping their futures. The last ones to sell will be ones jumping out of the Wall Street windows. Fark 'em, those greedy bastards...

The price of gas will then drop well below the balancing point again (like when it hit $1.80 the last time). The country will rejoice, go back to driving normally again, demand will increase and gas will finally level out at $2.50. Once it levels out, the speculators will buy up as much oil futures as they can, then look for new ways to drive speculation up again so that they can sell their $65 dollar/barrel of oil for $110.

Rinse and repeat.


I hope you are right. I have cut my driving down to only going to work and back and it still pinches.
 
2011-04-18 10:52:54 AM
I'm so old, I remember when the machines served us, not the other way around.

Quality of life is what it's about.

And that does not necessitate a huge, cramped station wagon on a pickup truck frame or a 5 B/R crackerbox or clothes with the maker's name stitched on the front, but oh how we're paying for the idiot '80s when we were told that is the ONLY way to have a quality life and we chugged the kool aid.

It does, however, necessitate being able to get medical treatment when needed, as needed and being capable of paying what it costs to get to that treatment. With decent, newer cars rolling into the showrooms for what a house cost about 40 years ago, a lot of people can't just wave a magic wand and pick up a 30 MPG car.
 
2011-04-18 10:54:02 AM
Gas should be 4 bucks a gallon.

The market says so and the market is never wrong.
 
2011-04-18 10:58:13 AM
I commute 90 miles round-trip every day so I'm getting a kick, etc.
 
2011-04-18 10:58:41 AM

d3bug: your going to love the state's logic here....
they will take me either TO dialysis, or home FROM dialysis, but not both...
If I could get an even trade then absolutely, I would do it in a NY minute... but, I still have the problem of registration, insurance, etc... For that I have to save about 4-5 months...


Well, I'm sorry to hear about your situation. Don't you have family, friends, neighbors who could team up and handle the one-way trip and rely on the paratransit for the other way? This is no time to let pride get in the way. Hell, I don't even know you and I'd give you a ride one-way once or twice a week.
 
2011-04-18 10:59:39 AM

StubePT: The price of gas will then drop well below the balancing point again (like when it hit $1.80 the last time). The country will rejoice, go back to driving normally again, demand will increase and gas will finally level out at $2.50. Once it levels out, the speculators will buy up as much oil futures as they can, then look for new ways to drive speculation up again so that they can sell their $65 dollar/barrel of oil for $110.


what really depresses me is that right now people will start freaking out about gas prices, and buy a whole bunch of super fuel efficient vehicles. Then, when/if gas prices fall as you predict they will get complacent and stupid and start buying monstrous and needlessly inefficient SUV's and trucks again with absolutely no consideration for the fact gas will go up again, and higher. It's like as soon as prices fall they completely forget how high it got, and suddenly no matter what the prices, it'll be the highest they can remember.
 
2011-04-18 11:06:10 AM

d3bug:
I am on disability, due to dialysis, and soon will be unable to afford to get to dialysis if gas prices keep going up.
I can barely walk now because of my health, so I cannot get to/from the bus stops, so public transportation is not viable for me.
your going to love the state's logic here...(concerning shuttle public services.)
they will take me either TO dialysis, or home FROM dialysis, but not both...
If I could get an even trade (a mid 90's Town Car for an economy model) then absolutely, I would do it in a NY minute... but, I still have the problem of registration, insurance, etc... For that I have to save about 4-5 months...
So what do all you self-righteous farkers out there recommend for me, hmmm?
/This is the situation of ALOT of people in America


Vote Democratic.
/I'm sympathetic sir, and you're right, this is the case for too many Americans. A supposedly rich country.
 
2011-04-18 11:07:10 AM

ronaprhys: A decent ROI within a reasonable timeframe. I remember lots of folks going out and buying new cars and all to save money - and the pay-off was 10+ years down the road if it even happened at all. My 17mpg Xterra is paid off. I'd have to run the math again, but a new car right now wouldn't pay itself off, well, pretty much ever. Until that thing starts to have enough in repair dollars that I'm at the equivalent of a car payment, it makes no sense to buy something else to save a bit in mileage.


The whole "paid off" thing is the wrong way to look at a car. It is a depreciating asset with a value that costs you money as you use it. The fact that you already dumped all this money into it doesn't really matter unless your current financial situation is such that you can't afford a car payment.

And even using your math, you'd have to include savings from fuel, which could be substantial if you do a good bit of driving. Assuming your car goes to 200,000 miles, it will burn nearly 12,000 gallons of gas. Even at $2/gallon, that's $24,000, and gas is even higher than that. That's a lot of money. Enough for a fuel efficient car, even.
 
2011-04-18 11:07:18 AM

theknuckler_33: d3bug: your going to love the state's logic here....
they will take me either TO dialysis, or home FROM dialysis, but not both...
If I could get an even trade then absolutely, I would do it in a NY minute... but, I still have the problem of registration, insurance, etc... For that I have to save about 4-5 months...

Well, I'm sorry to hear about your situation. Don't you have family, friends, neighbors who could team up and handle the one-way trip and rely on the paratransit for the other way? This is no time to let pride get in the way. Hell, I don't even know you and I'd give you a ride one-way once or twice a week.


In an emergency, I have family to rely on... but I am really directing this at those that have holier-than-thou attitudes that say just buy a bike/car/vehicle_flavor_of_the_week as a be-all-end-all solution without thinking of the MILLIONS of Americans in my situation or similar situations who have no family to help them. The real problem is the system is broken. While I agree that we must migrate toward renewable energy and more efficient means of transportation, what do we do in the meantime? If people like me had access to programs similar to cash-for-clunkers where we could simply replace our cars with more efficient ones, that would be a step in the right direction... get people into affordable efficient vehicles, etc...

/TYVM btw... I appreciate people like you
//the other types can DIAFS
///slashies
 
2011-04-18 11:07:36 AM
I got this to save gas for local commutes..

www.motorera.com

Unfortunately, I'd get killed driving on the highway to work using the scooter. I got a new Hyundai Elantra.

img.vhx.com

I'm averaging 32 or so in this, not great, but not too bad.
 
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