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(Some Guy)   Progressive student: "We should tax the rich to give the poor more opportunity." Conservative: "So you'd be cool with me taking some points off your GPA to give the dumb some opportunity, right?" Progressive student:   (thelookingspoon.com) divider line 631
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2011-04-18 08:08:24 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Assuming we don't kill ourselves, I think you're wrong in terms of economics, as it's inevitable that we will reach levels of engineering where productivity is far beyond society's rate of consumption (and I don't think the people in charge now will be able to maintain control of it forever).


Division of labor based on status is inherent in every culture, and always has been. Even post scarcity, I sure we'll find some way to force drones to continue to work, and allow kings (or, your jerk of a boss) to continue to rule. It's a sociological question, really, not just an economic one.

But, I have been reading a bit too much of The Theory of the Leisure Class the past couple of days.

In the book, Veblen argues that economic life is driven not by notions of utility, but by social vestiges from pre-historic times. Drawing examples from the contemporary period and anthropology, he held that much of today's society is a variation on early tribal life.

According to Veblen, beginning with primitive tribes, people began to adopt a division of labor along certain lines. The "higher status" group monopolized war and hunting, while farming and cooking were considered inferior work.
 
2011-04-18 08:19:15 AM  
Lefty Progressives and hypocrisy go together like chocolate and peanut butter.

In fact, you cant be a progressive without hypocrisy, it just does not work. Their own ideology is unworkable if they had to stick to their guns and not be able to pick and choose when it was convenient for them.


And of the course "shamelessness" is a big part of being a hypocrite, you need that too, so you can actually go outside.

Perhaps this is why they only hang out with each other and are not comfortable around normal people.
 
2011-04-18 08:20:52 AM  
"So you'd be cool with me taking some points off your GPA to give the dumb some opportunity, right?"

That's the worst attempt at an analogy I've EVER heard.

It just stupid and doesn't make any sense. (Insert Sarah Palin joke here).
 
2011-04-18 08:25:23 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Anti_illuminati: Why are conservatives so bad at making analogies?
Because they don't have to present a logical argument, only an argument that seems like a zinger to someone with the iq of a ham sandwich.


Conservative: Then tell me, Why are there still apes?
 
2011-04-18 08:27:05 AM  

Phil Herup: Lefty Progressives and hypocrisy go together like chocolate and peanut butter.

In fact, you cant be a progressive without hypocrisy, it just does not work. Their own ideology is unworkable if they had to stick to their guns and not be able to pick and choose when it was convenient for them.


And of the course "shamelessness" is a big part of being a hypocrite, you need that too, so you can actually go outside.

Perhaps this is why they only hang out with each other and are not comfortable around normal people.


Wow Phil, your more delusional than normal today.

At least you got your irrational feeling of superiority over the ooga booga progressives to fall back on.

I like how you've taken to using the term "progressive"...right in lock-step with the rest of your ilk. Good boy.
 
2011-04-18 08:28:28 AM  

drewkumo: tony41454: No they shouldn't. And I'll tell you why, you farking moron: copypasta

FTFY



Anyways, measuring only income is a poor way to examine wealth inequality. This map is based on the GINI coefficient. It works on a sliding scale, 0 is perfect wealth equality and 1 is all wealth owned by a single person.

Yes, wealth inequality in America is at banana-republic levels.


It's farking crazy that our wealth disparity is higher than Russia's. I mean, I've seen this chart before and I've studied the GINI coefficient, but I guess I never really thought about that comparison. I've been to Russia, and the wealth disparity there seemed more obvious. But I guess I underestimated exactly how rich America's rich is.
 
2011-04-18 08:30:30 AM  
Do we start with the CEO GPAs of 555.0?
 
2011-04-18 08:31:07 AM  

Kryllith: Do we start with the CEO GPAs of 555.0?


Dont worry. It'll trickle down to the rest of us.
 
2011-04-18 08:34:01 AM  

Phil Herup: Lefty Progressives and hypocrisy go together like chocolate and peanut butter.

In fact, you cant be a progressive without hypocrisy, it just does not work. Their own ideology is unworkable if they had to stick to their guns and not be able to pick and choose when it was convenient for them.


And of the course "shamelessness" is a big part of being a hypocrite, you need that too, so you can actually go outside.

Perhaps this is why they only hang out with each other and are not comfortable around normal people.


A compelling argument.
 
2011-04-18 08:38:12 AM  

sendtodave: Phil Herup: Lefty Progressives and hypocrisy go together like chocolate and peanut butter.

In fact, you cant be a progressive without hypocrisy, it just does not work. Their own ideology is unworkable if they had to stick to their guns and not be able to pick and choose when it was convenient for them.


And of the course "shamelessness" is a big part of being a hypocrite, you need that too, so you can actually go outside.

Perhaps this is why they only hang out with each other and are not comfortable around normal people.

A compelling argument.


It also fails to consider that if you do have friends who you aren't like lockstep with politically, you can A. not talk about politics. or B. Hang out with people who are smart enough to rationally talk about it without starting to throw their own shiat.

Since Phil obviously is unable to do B, I see where his problem comes from
 
2011-04-18 08:39:08 AM  

jchuffyman: sendtodave: Phil Herup: Lefty Progressives and hypocrisy go together like chocolate and peanut butter.

In fact, you cant be a progressive without hypocrisy, it just does not work. Their own ideology is unworkable if they had to stick to their guns and not be able to pick and choose when it was convenient for them.


And of the course "shamelessness" is a big part of being a hypocrite, you need that too, so you can actually go outside.

Perhaps this is why they only hang out with each other and are not comfortable around normal people.

A compelling argument.

It also fails to consider that if you do have friends who aren't in lockstep with you politically, you can A. not talk about politics. or B. Hang out with people who are smart enough to rationally talk about it without starting to throw their own shiat.

Since Phil obviously is unable to do B, I see where his problem comes from


FTFM
 
2011-04-18 08:39:48 AM  

Corvus: Rich kid - Does poor in school, gets into college because his dad did and has lots of money.

Rich Kid - Still fails in college. Gets high paying job handed to him by his relatives.

Rich Kid - Fails at job... It's ok inherits trust fund to maintain being rich...

Poor kid - Work s hard gets straight A's, maybe government can loan him some money to afford to go to college....


Rich Kid - fark NO *I* *WORKED* (inheriting) HARD FOR MY MONEY WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO SHARE IT!!!!!!


This is what we are really talking about.


This is how left wing retards think all day, every day. Unreal. These people can not be reasoned with.


I think Corvus may have the biggest chip on his shoulder in all of FARKdom.
 
2011-04-18 08:42:11 AM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: nowt: Progressive Student: If my GPA is over 9000.0...


New meme doesn't get the old meme?
 
2011-04-18 08:44:58 AM  

Phil Herup: Corvus: Rich kid - Does poor in school, gets into college because his dad did and has lots of money.

Rich Kid - Still fails in college. Gets high paying job handed to him by his relatives.

Rich Kid - Fails at job... It's ok inherits trust fund to maintain being rich...

Poor kid - Work s hard gets straight A's, maybe government can loan him some money to afford to go to college....


Rich Kid - fark NO *I* *WORKED* (inheriting) HARD FOR MY MONEY WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO SHARE IT!!!!!!


This is what we are really talking about.

This is how left wing retards think all day, every day. Unreal. These people can not be reasoned with.


I think Corvus may have the biggest chip on his shoulder in all of FARKdom.


Where were you, man? We had an entire thread about comparing Obama to a chimp. Other trolls had to make your tired arguments for you.
 
2011-04-18 08:46:10 AM  

jchuffyman: It also fails to consider that if you do have friends who you aren't like lockstep with politically, you can A. not talk about politics. or B. Hang out with people who are smart enough to rationally talk about it without starting to throw their own shiat.

Since Phil obviously is unable to do B, I see where his problem comes from




I just love it. A young liberal arts college student telling me I don't hang out with anyone smart enough to talk rationally about politics.

Good luck in the job market with all those "skills" you have learned in college. Let us idiots know how everything works out. OK?
 
2011-04-18 08:48:49 AM  

erveek: Where were you, man? We had an entire thread about comparing Obama to a chimp. Other trolls had to make your tired arguments for you.




What are you talking about?


What were these "tired arguments" about? Pointing out what a huge group of hypocrites and thin-skinned, double-standard embracing hacks you all are?
 
2011-04-18 08:51:50 AM  

Phil Herup: jchuffyman: It also fails to consider that if you do have friends who you aren't like lockstep with politically, you can A. not talk about politics. or B. Hang out with people who are smart enough to rationally talk about it without starting to throw their own shiat.

Since Phil obviously is unable to do B, I see where his problem comes from



I just love it. A young liberal arts college student telling me I don't hang out with anyone smart enough to talk rationally about politics.

Good luck in the job market with all those "skills" you have learned in college. Let us idiots know how everything works out. OK?


Well Phil, you can take it from me a college graduate with a technical degree. I'm telling you that you are not smart enough to talk rationally about politics. That's kind of unfair, you might be smart enough. But you certainly are far to delusional to participate in a rational conversation.

Hey, aren't you a dentist? Probably shouldn't be ball busting a college graduate of any type.
 
2011-04-18 08:53:15 AM  

Phil Herup: erveek: Where were you, man? We had an entire thread about comparing Obama to a chimp. Other trolls had to make your tired arguments for you.



What are you talking about?


What were these "tired arguments" about? Pointing out what a huge group of hypocrites and thin-skinned, double-standard embracing hacks you all are?


That'll show em Phil. Throw out a few irrational opinions when asked about your arguments.
 
2011-04-18 08:54:43 AM  

Phil Herup: erveek: Where were you, man? We had an entire thread about comparing Obama to a chimp. Other trolls had to make your tired arguments for you.



What are you talking about?


What were these "tired arguments" about? Pointing out what a huge group of hypocrites and thin-skinned, double-standard embracing hacks you all are?


Phil Herup won't post in the thread in question. Is he scared?
 
2011-04-18 08:59:10 AM  
Bad comparison is bad. Come by next time when a large minority of average people have a 0.0 GPA and a tiny minority of average people have a 50,000,000,000 GPA.
 
2011-04-18 09:01:37 AM  

Jpud73: Hey, aren't you a dentist? Probably shouldn't be ball busting a college graduate of any type.




I am not busting on college graduates in general, I am busting on you specifically, or did you not pick that up?

I was focusing on that you have not even learned just how much you really don't know, forget about the little that you do actually know. It is fine. We have all been there too.

You just should prolly keep your uninformed opinion a little closer to your vest while the adults are talking, lest you show your ignorance.



Jpud73: you can take it from me a college graduate with a technical degree.



In what? Did you get a job in your field of study?
 
2011-04-18 09:06:06 AM  

Anti_illuminati: Why are conservatives so bad at making analogies?


I guess because modern conservatives are composed of two groups: insane derpers and people making money off insane derpers.
 
2011-04-18 09:06:40 AM  

evilboyevil: a large minority of average people




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Did you actually write that?

FARK Lib mantra: "Use the term minority as often as possible, even incorrectly, just keep saying it. Large minorities are best minorities."
 
2011-04-18 09:08:39 AM  

RanDomino: PlatinumDragon
Because money is exactly the same thing as grades.

I think the reasoning is like this: Grades are a measure of ability. Wealth is a measure of ability. Therefore, grades are wealth. DED (derp erat demonstrandum)


That's what I suspect as well. So cute - they think we live in a meritocracy, and don't understand the difference between recognition of skills or knowledge and a medium of exchange and resource control.

Given the prevalence of Bolshevist tactics and organization by the capitalists these days (wholly-owned astroturf, thinly-veiled front groups, not-so-democratic centralism, etx.), I don't think I'm entirely out of line to use the term "useful idiots".
 
2011-04-18 09:09:47 AM  

GreenAdder: Lenny_da_Hog: impaler: Unlike money, you can't use your GPA to create GPA.

Or leverage your GPA to keep other people from making GPA.

Or inherit a GPA you didn't earn.


Unless your last name is "Bush" and your granddad played footsie with Fascists.

/yeah, I went there
 
2011-04-18 09:10:44 AM  

Phil Herup:
I am not busting on college graduates in general, I am busting on you specifically, or did you not pick that up?


No, I didn't pick up on that since you were clearing were implying that a liberal arts degree isn't worth much. Now you are lying to try to cover up what you did, which I guess shows remorse, or at least the acknowledgement that you did something wrong. Baby steps.

I was focusing on that you have not even learned just how much you really don't know, forget about the little that you do actually know. It is fine. We have all been there too.

Jesus, that was barely coherent. Perhaps someone needs a English refresher course.

You just should prolly keep your uninformed opinion a little closer to your vest while the adults are talking, lest you show your ignorance.

I think my opinion was quite informed....being a college graduate and knowing that you are an delusional dentist with an irrational fear of "progressives", I think I got all my bases covered. Sorry, once again you attempt at an insult falls shorts of the mark.

In what? Did you get a job in your field of study?

I sure did buddy. In Computer Science, and have been working in the field since. How bout you? Do they even have degrees in dentistry? Are you a college graduate?
 
2011-04-18 09:19:24 AM  
"Bocanegra: WhyteRaven74: Bocanegra: How's that whole "tax the rich" thing working out for Europe?

A bunch of the wealthiest Germans recently protested to have their taxes raised. This in Germany where unemployment is lower than in the US and social programs are vastly superior. As are the labor laws.

Germany hasn't = Europe in about 70 years or so."


So, what I have learned is that Bocanegra doesn't think that Germany is in Europe???!! Well, there's a conservative for you....
 
2011-04-18 09:21:05 AM  
Hmmm. That's quite an interesting hypothetical you pulled out of your ass. In this fictional school, are the 4.0 kids given private classrooms away from the other students, with one on one face time with the best tutors, and a crack team of researchers to analyze their tests and challenge bad grades to ensure their GPA stays disproportionately high?
 
2011-04-18 09:22:02 AM  

WhyteRaven74: A bunch of the wealthiest Germans recently protested to have their taxes raised. This in Germany where unemployment is lower than in the US and social programs are vastly superior. As are the labor laws.


When we threw out the idea of a nobility in the US, sadly, we threw out the idea of noblesse oblige with it.
 
2011-04-18 09:25:00 AM  

FlippityFlap: A bunch of the wealthiest Germans recently protested to have their taxes raised.




Why protest? There is nothing stopping them from donating more money to the government.


If you are rich and want to pay more, then just do it. No one is stopping you.
 
2011-04-18 09:27:24 AM  

EberhardKarl: My best guess however, is that not a single Fark Independent or Conservative has made it through even Volume I of Capital.


In their defense, Das Kapital is the most boring goddamn book ever written. It makes Moby Dick look like a Fourth of July parade.
 
2011-04-18 09:27:46 AM  

Jpud73: That'll show em Phil. Throw out a few irrational opinions when asked about your arguments.


I think Phil is very close to a complete mental breakdown. He used to answer with some substance, but now it's gotten down to "NO U!"

I predict if the 2012 elections go badly for Republicans (and it looks like this will), Phil might blow his last resistor...

/...for a sister that'll certify ya...
//He needs a bit of shock treatment...
//Obscure?
 
2011-04-18 09:28:02 AM  
gpa isn't zero-sum. that's a retarded metaphor.
 
2011-04-18 09:30:29 AM  
The difference being that Grade Point Averages reflect the hard work that the student does to earn it, and is not reflective of his or her ability to exploit and manipulate others.
 
2011-04-18 09:34:01 AM  

MonkeyPundit: The difference being that Grade Point Averages reflect the hard work that the student does to earn it, and is not reflective of his or her ability to exploit and manipulate others.


There are a million different reason why the analogy to GPA doesn't work.

The most glaring probably being that there is not a limited amount of GPA to go around. And that GPA reflects nothing more than an arbitrary rating system, not tangible assets. From the jump this analogy is shiate.
 
2011-04-18 09:34:12 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Maybe if there was something in the defining document of the course that said the professor had the ability to do so. That would be the only way the analogy works.


Ror this to be a proper analogy, it would have to be about school funding, not about GPA. The GPA is perfect as an analogy for the way the Right Wing tries to turn the other classes against each other. "Hey, bight kid at the poor school, how 'bout we spread your GPA points around to the other kids in your school until you shut up."
 
2011-04-18 09:35:30 AM  

Jpud73: I sure did buddy. In Computer Science, and have been working in the field since. How bout you? Do they even have degrees in dentistry? Are you a college graduate?


Still nothing on Phil Herup's degree status.

Yet he feels comfortable criticizing others for their choice of study.

Typical.
 
2011-04-18 09:39:33 AM  

Phil Herup: evilboyevil: a large minority of average people

Did you actually write that?

FARK Lib mantra: "Use the term minority as often as possible, even incorrectly, just keep saying it. Large minorities are best minorities."


You might try, say, a Google search before mocking the use of a phrase simply because you're ignorant of it.
 
2011-04-18 09:41:22 AM  
A conservative view on grades? I didn't know home schoolers got grades.
 
2011-04-18 09:44:25 AM  

Jpud73: Jpud73: I sure did buddy. In Computer Science, and have been working in the field since. How bout you? Do they even have degrees in dentistry? Are you a college graduate?

Still nothing on Phil Herup's degree status.

Yet he feels comfortable criticizing others for their choice of study.

Typical.


If he's actually a dentist in the US he'd have a postgraduate degree.
 
2011-04-18 09:44:28 AM  

Jpud73: Still nothing on Phil Herup's degree status.



I thought you had to be kidding.



Monkeyfark Ridiculous: You might try, say, a Google search before mocking the use of a phrase simply because you're ignorant of it.



"A large minority of average people" is a walking contradiction.
 
2011-04-18 09:45:45 AM  

Phil Herup: Why protest? There is nothing stopping them from donating more money to the government.

If you are rich and want to pay more, then just do it. No one is stopping you.


Because the people who choose to horde wealth would then have an increase in their influence over government simply from the lack of those who are able to offer the same level of opposition.
 
2011-04-18 09:47:34 AM  
My GPA is just a number.

But, if I could out I could modify my 3.81 and change it to a 2.00, and as a result 1,000 families would be able to feed their children, or get grandpa the medical treatment he needs... damn right I would happily donate my points.

And, if I found out that too many people in my school were getting high GPA's, and it was damaging to the school (the way our country is being damaged by too much debt), damn right I'd be in favor of adjusting the grading system.
 
2011-04-18 09:48:52 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Because the people who choose to horde wealth would then have an increase in their influence over government




So it is not really about "revenue" is it?

It is about controlling the wealth, which is a misuse of taxation.
 
2011-04-18 09:51:39 AM  

Cats_Lie: But, if I could out I could modify my 3.81 and change it to a 2.00, and as a result 1,000 families would be able to feed their children, or get grandpa the medical treatment he needs... damn right I would happily donate my points.



But would you dole out your points so that a dumb kid could have moar points and have a better chance at post graduate school?

Of course, your chances will go down quite a bit as a result.
 
2011-04-18 09:54:01 AM  

Phil Herup:
Monkeyfark Ridiculous: You might try, say, a Google search before mocking the use of a phrase simply because you're ignorant of it.


"A large minority of average people" is a walking contradiction.


I suppose you could nitpick the use of "average" there if you wanted to pretend you didn't understand the sense in which he meant it.

But it appeared that you thought "large minority" was some sort of contradiction in terms and that using it is somehow "incorrect." That would be wrong.
 
2011-04-18 09:58:10 AM  

Phil Herup: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Because the people who choose to horde wealth would then have an increase in their influence over government

So it is not really about "revenue" is it?

It is about controlling the wealth, which is a misuse of taxation.


You really didn't understand what I just said, did you? Because I said pretty much the exact opposite. It's about raising revenue in a way that doesn't allow a segment of the wealthy to gain increased influence over the nation's wealth via a weakening of opposing influence.
 
2011-04-18 10:02:27 AM  

Phil Herup: Jpud73: Still nothing on Phil Herup's degree status.


I thought you had to be kidding.


Jpud73 would like the long form transcript and diploma.
 
2011-04-18 10:02:53 AM  

Phil Herup: Cats_Lie: But, if I could out I could modify my 3.81 and change it to a 2.00, and as a result 1,000 families would be able to feed their children, or get grandpa the medical treatment he needs... damn right I would happily donate my points.


But would you dole out your points so that a dumb kid could have moar points and have a better chance at post graduate school?

Of course, your chances will go down quite a bit as a result.


Sounds like you are the dumb kid who needed "moar" points.
 
2011-04-18 10:05:11 AM  

Freep Impact: "I want to see some FReeper school teacher try this with their students and see what the reaction is! Watch the children freak, the parents freak, and the local teacher's union freak. Then explain it was a joke to teach that redistribution of property isn't a good idea.

Any FReeper teachers willing to give it the old college try? LOL!"

Done it already. :)

I brought candy.

Everytime a student got a question right, I put it aside.

I separated each one so that the students thought they'd get the candy after class.

Then when class was over I shoved them all together and divided them evenly.

Lesson learned.


what?

so . . . he taught a bunch of kid that they get a fair share of candy after class.
 
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