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2011-04-17 11:24:32 PM

tony41454: (over)tax those who create the jobs. You create a business friendly environment for economic growth to happen. THAT'S how job growth occurs. If the "rich" have more money, they invest in more factories to create more money, which in turn creates more jobs and wages. This is how it's done. Redistributing (or taking away) what someone has worked hard for discourages growth and innovation, factories close down, people lose jobs. I guess this is what Obama wants, since that's what he's


Do you honestly think that a 3.5% increase in their income tax rate would keep those people from investing in those factories? To make the numbers simple, lets pretend that an individual was going to see a $100,000 return on their investment on top of recouping their original investment. You're telling me that they wouldn't bother investing if they were only going to make $96,500? That wouldn't be worth the trouble? Is this what you honestly believe?
 
2011-04-17 11:24:41 PM

tony41454: So, the simple minded respond. NOWT can't come up with anything original so he/she shows their ignorance. Tell me, O master of the Low IQ, what group in this country is responsible for creating the most jobs? Creating business? What does this country need more of right now? Jobs? Will the poor create jobs? Will those on food stamps and welfare create jobs? No, Mr. Simple, it's the "rich," those with combined incomes of over $250,000 who own franchises, warehouses, print shops, etc., and the "super rich" who own factories. Fine, you can advocate your socialist wealth spreading, but you'll sit on your arse and collect welfare, because there will be no jobs. (Man, some people are just DENSE.)



gamesnet.vo.llnwd.net
Hey shiathead, think long and hard about this and ask if it applies to yourself. Link (new window)
 
2011-04-17 11:27:41 PM

tony41454: erveek Quote 2011-04-17 11:06:30 PM
tony41454: With all being said and done, you don't (over)tax those who create the jobs.

Tell me when they get around to doing that.


Top 50% of Wage Earners Pay 96.03% of Income Taxes--
read the article I linked to.


So when are they going to create some jobs? Read what I posted before replying.
 
2011-04-17 11:28:06 PM
Dear rightwing idiots,

GPA is not currency. That is all.
 
2011-04-17 11:29:47 PM
The real question is what nationality were most of the student's interviewed on the video? Were they even American citizens?
 
2011-04-17 11:31:14 PM

BroadbandGremlin: The real question is what nationality were most of the student's interviewed on the video? Were they even American citizens?


Relevance?
 
2011-04-17 11:31:48 PM

tony41454: LAST POST: Redistribution was as ugly when Obama said it to Joe the Plumber as it is today. Don't do it. In the immortal words of James T. Kirk: "It doesn't work."


News flash: All tax systems are "redistribution of wealth". Not only is your statement horribly wrong, but there has never in the history of the world been a successful country that DID NOT practice redistribution of wealth. Sorry to impose on your fantasy world.
 
2011-04-17 11:32:18 PM
Government is the creation and tool of the rich. Always has been. The poor don't need it.

Why don't we give every poor person in America an assault weapon (it is their right to own one) and bus them (on public roads) to the wealthier neighborhoods.

Then we announce that today will be a Government free holiday!

No laws, no rules and anything that they have possession of the next day is theirs to keep.

Do you understand the purpose of Government better now?
 
2011-04-17 11:33:20 PM

RanDomino: GPA IS NOT farkING SCARCE YOU STUPID BASTARDS


And here we have essence of the ugly foundation of the thinking of many angry liberals in this thread.

Wealth is a finite quantity, no new wealth may be created. We may as well be living in the year 1800.

Therefore, if there is wealth inequality, it must be the result of opptesion of the working man.

Thete is no room for innovation by indoviduals that increases quality of life in such a world, because creation of anything with more value than an existing thing is impossible.
 
2011-04-17 11:33:42 PM

Yankees Team Gynecologist: tony41454:


If the "rich" have more money, they invest in more factories to create more money, which in turn
creates more jobs and wages.


YET ANOTHER supply-side conservatard who doesn't understand how wealth is created.

They don't invest in more factories unless people are buying.

They're not taxed on the money they use to pay for factories either. It's not a choice between paying taxes and hiring people, at least not when it comes to income tax. Payroll taxes are a different matter.


The hell you say!

What is even funnier is that most ground level conservatives have no idea how much money corporations get from their taxes to grow and expand and defer costs.

I'm about to get a government subsidized 100k loan to expand my business. I am going to put it in a very nice interest bearing bond account. I will have little to zero loss of revenue as a result, and it is all thanks to the taxpayers. In fact, I might even make money on the loan over time.

Thanks conservatives for having no idea how wealthy people use you to make their money! Please go on and tell us how it is all ground level bootstrappy investment!

No, rich people have more rights than you and more doors open to them than you from your own government.

You give them tons of cash, lower their taxes, accept layoffs and decreased wages, and they are still going to ditch you for overseas, just because they can make a few sheckles more.

Please understand that the majority of the rich despise you ground level grunts. You are a means to an end for them. They refer to you as units, consumers, and "the enemy" in their board meetings. Yet, you keep white knighting for them.

Wow.
 
2011-04-17 11:33:59 PM

pion: Dear rightwing idiots,

GPA is not currency. That is all.


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Yet a GPA is a reward for merit and hard work just like a paycheck.

Why not distribute GPAs so that those who have to work, or have children can also make good grades?
 
2011-04-17 11:34:50 PM
I see we have the 'Well that's not the same' type responses...

So I'll put it simply for you.

You work hard to get something, whether it's grades, or success in a career, or some type of athletic achievement and when you accomplish it somebody says to you that it's not fair that you worked hard and got it when other people didn't.

Why is that unfair? You worked for it. You earned it.

You see this played out in a different way when children sports try to say that nobody lost and everyone gets a trophy even if they did nothing.

For my entire school life I watched some kids basically just not try. There's a difference between 'under privileged' and 'just doesn't do the work', what do you do when a teenager won't do their school work, or come to school, and in general either drops out or barely finishes? What do you do when they go on applying their stunning work ethic to life and can barely take care of themselves?

If you're a liberal, you excuse their bad behavior and tell the people who did work hard that they must now subsidize their poor life style choices, thus insuring few if any consequences for them and sending the message to others that it's alright, the government will take care of you, just as long as you vote for Joe Democrat of course.

You may now commence with the tired old stupid counter arguments where you:

A) Completely ignore the fact that there are thousands upon thousands upon thousands of people just like I described: They are poor because they were given multiple chances to succeed in life, and wasted all of them.

B) Start going on about various true hard luck cases where somebody did their very best but ended up getting put down anyway through no fault of their own, and hold these examples up as something other than the exceptions they actually are.
 
2011-04-17 11:36:12 PM
I wrote a few papers for other people in college that made me feel dumber, so I think I did that
 
2011-04-17 11:38:37 PM

Bocanegra: 2wolves: Bocanegra: How's that whole "tax the rich" thing working out for Europe?

lulz

Check out Germany you super genius.

Yeah, but I should completely ignore Spain, Portugal, and Greece, amirite?


Why do you hate America so much? Why do you assume we couldn't do better than Germany? Why do you assume we'd manage things as poorly as the ass end of the Europe Union, and not as well as its most prosperous members?

You should have more faith in your country men, you unpatriotic ass.
 
2011-04-17 11:38:43 PM

Robots are Strong: tony41454: (over)tax those who create the jobs. You create a business friendly environment for economic growth to happen. THAT'S how job growth occurs. If the "rich" have more money, they invest in more factories to create more money, which in turn creates more jobs and wages. This is how it's done. Redistributing (or taking away) what someone has worked hard for discourages growth and innovation, factories close down, people lose jobs. I guess this is what Obama wants, since that's what he's

Do you honestly think that a 3.5% increase in their income tax rate would keep those people from investing in those factories? To make the numbers simple, lets pretend that an individual was going to see a $100,000 return on their investment on top of recouping their original investment. You're telling me that they wouldn't bother investing if they were only going to make $96,500? That wouldn't be worth the trouble? Is this what you honestly believe?


Now, now, that involves math and facts. We can tell from his other posts that he actually believes Rush Limbaugh math.

Hey, Tony, I own a business and employ people. Let me tell you that you have no flippin clue how the rich think or relate to money.

Let me also tell you that your tax dollars support a lot of what they do.

You have no clue how our economy actually functions, and you are a fool for white knighting for people like me.
 
2011-04-17 11:38:49 PM

Lord Dimwit: Also, the answer is yes, the professor (or at least TAs) should be spending more time with the students having trouble getting the subject matter. They're in school to learn, after all; if they already know it or have less trouble learning it, then..well...there you go.


Unfortunately those teachers thought it was more important to call in sick and protest the state government that cut their bargaining rights but saved their jobs, meaning those teachers would be able to help more students in the future... unless they found a new problem to complain about.
 
kab
2011-04-17 11:42:09 PM
If wealth is the infinite pie that some believe it to be, you'd think there wouldn't so much effort put into consolidating it.
 
2011-04-17 11:42:54 PM

randomjsa: I see we have the 'Well that's not the same' type responses...

So I'll put it simply for you.

You work hard to get something, whether it's grades, or success in a career, or some type of athletic achievement and when you accomplish it somebody says to you that it's not fair that you worked hard and got it when other people didn't.

Why is that unfair? You worked for it. You earned it.

You see this played out in a different way when children sports try to say that nobody lost and everyone gets a trophy even if they did nothing.

For my entire school life I watched some kids basically just not try. There's a difference between 'under privileged' and 'just doesn't do the work', what do you do when a teenager won't do their school work, or come to school, and in general either drops out or barely finishes? What do you do when they go on applying their stunning work ethic to life and can barely take care of themselves?

If you're a liberal, you excuse their bad behavior and tell the people who did work hard that they must now subsidize their poor life style choices, thus insuring few if any consequences for them and sending the message to others that it's alright, the government will take care of you, just as long as you vote for Joe Democrat of course.

You may now commence with the tired old stupid counter arguments where you:

A) Completely ignore the fact that there are thousands upon thousands upon thousands of people just like I described: They are poor because they were given multiple chances to succeed in life, and wasted all of them.

B) Start going on about various true hard luck cases where somebody did their very best but ended up getting put down anyway through no fault of their own, and hold these examples up as something other than the exceptions they actually are.


If any of that had any bearing on reality, then you might be right, but it doesn't.

It is the same old crap you morons always spew.

Yet, when we look at facts, your arguments never hold up. Why don't you stop letting your bitterness and fear that somebody might be getting something you aren't lead you around by the nose.

You would be happier and not such a bitter waste of space.
 
2011-04-17 11:44:44 PM
 
2011-04-17 11:45:16 PM
PlatinumDragon
Because money is exactly the same thing as grades.

I think the reasoning is like this: Grades are a measure of ability. Wealth is a measure of ability. Therefore, grades are wealth. DED (derp erat demonstrandum)
 
2011-04-17 11:46:04 PM
It's funny how they can quote that the "top 50% of wage earners pay 96% of income tax" and not realize that the reason the system is setup this way, is because the bottom 50% are *living on the edge*, and if you raise taxes on them, they will *fall off*.

But I await their well-reasoned, researched cited response to demonstrate that making the tax code less progressive will actually create *more* income equality -- ignoring of course the past 35 years increased inequality the recent regressive tax changes have made.

Naturally, I'd grant them that hey, income inequality isn't the most important measure of the quality of a society... but then after demonstrating how weak the US is growing in other areas....

/not really awaiting it, better things to do
 
2011-04-17 11:48:41 PM

drewkumo: This map is based on the GINI coefficient.


Just FYI, the Gini coefficient is named for Corrado Gini; it's not an initialism.

Otherwise, yes.
 
2011-04-17 11:50:27 PM

randomjsa: I see we have the 'Well that's not the same' type responses...

So I'll put it simply for you.

You work hard to get something, whether it's grades, or success in a career, or some type of athletic achievement and when you accomplish it somebody says to you that it's not fair that you worked hard and got it when other people didn't.

Why is that unfair? You worked for it. You earned it.


Or inherited it.

How about those of us who aren't greedy farkers? Who don't want to be lawyers? What about those who are just not very intelligent or suffer from depression?

The ability to earn money isn't necessarily of any benefit to society. The United States government supports capitalism. It allows money to earn money and rewards those with money. With hard work some can get ahead, but the United States currently has less upward mobility than most European (SOCIALIST!) countries. Let the rich pay for the system that allows them to become and stay rich. Why should poor people pay to support capitalism? That's like forcing a slave to pay for his own chains.
 
2011-04-17 11:51:51 PM
Not an apt comparison in my opinion. I wouldn't shave points off GPA for someone else, not that my GPA was all that high to begin with, but if I could give another person a fraction of my mind and my capacity to reason and think rationally... I think I would.
 
2011-04-17 11:56:50 PM

iaazathot: Robots are Strong: tony41454: (over)tax those who create the jobs. You create a business friendly environment for economic growth to happen. THAT'S how job growth occurs. If the "rich" have more money, they invest in more factories to create more money, which in turn creates more jobs and wages. This is how it's done. Redistributing (or taking away) what someone has worked hard for discourages growth and innovation, factories close down, people lose jobs. I guess this is what Obama wants, since that's what he's

Do you honestly think that a 3.5% increase in their income tax rate would keep those people from investing in those factories? To make the numbers simple, lets pretend that an individual was going to see a $100,000 return on their investment on top of recouping their original investment. You're telling me that they wouldn't bother investing if they were only going to make $96,500? That wouldn't be worth the trouble? Is this what you honestly believe?

Now, now, that involves math and facts. We can tell from his other posts that he actually believes Rush Limbaugh math.


Speaking of the Rush Limbaugh math, I'd be willing to bet that the numbers in article ignored any capital gains and focused solely on income. Add those numbers in as income taxed at 15% and I'm guessing we'd see a pretty drastic change.
 
2011-04-18 12:00:37 AM

Without Fail: randomjsa: I see we have the 'Well that's not the same' type responses...

So I'll put it simply for you.

You work hard to get something, whether it's grades, or success in a career, or some type of athletic achievement and when you accomplish it somebody says to you that it's not fair that you worked hard and got it when other people didn't.

Why is that unfair? You worked for it. You earned it.

Or inherited it.

How about those of us who aren't greedy farkers? Who don't want to be lawyers? What about those who are just not very intelligent or suffer from depression?

The ability to earn money isn't necessarily of any benefit to society. The United States government supports capitalism. It allows money to earn money and rewards those with money. With hard work some can get ahead, but the United States currently has less upward mobility than most European (SOCIALIST!) countries. Let the rich pay for the system that allows them to become and stay rich. Why should poor people pay to support capitalism? That's like forcing a slave to pay for his own chains.


Hell man, the slave owner never gets to wear the chains, why should he have to pay for them?
 
2011-04-18 12:02:15 AM

randomjsa: I see we have the 'Well that's not the same' type responses...

So I'll put it simply for you.

You work hard to get something, whether it's grades, or success in a career, or some type of athletic achievement and when you accomplish it somebody says to you that it's not fair that you worked hard and got it when other people didn't.

Why is that unfair? You worked for it. You earned it.

You see this played out in a different way when children sports try to say that nobody lost and everyone gets a trophy even if they did nothing.

For my entire school life I watched some kids basically just not try. There's a difference between 'under privileged' and 'just doesn't do the work', what do you do when a teenager won't do their school work, or come to school, and in general either drops out or barely finishes? What do you do when they go on applying their stunning work ethic to life and can barely take care of themselves?

If you're a liberal, you excuse their bad behavior and tell the people who did work hard that they must now subsidize their poor life style choices, thus insuring few if any consequences for them and sending the message to others that it's alright, the government will take care of you, just as long as you vote for Joe Democrat of course.

You may now commence with the tired old stupid counter arguments where you:

A) Completely ignore the fact that there are thousands upon thousands upon thousands of people just like I described: They are poor because they were given multiple chances to succeed in life, and wasted all of them.

B) Start going on about various true hard luck cases where somebody did their very best but ended up getting put down anyway through no fault of their own, and hold these examples up as something other than the exceptions they actually are.


-----------------------------

Is there any point at all to this rambling diatribe?
 
2011-04-18 12:06:18 AM

balloot: Is there any point at all to this rambling diatribe?


Is there ever?
 
2011-04-18 12:08:13 AM

Robots are Strong: Hell man, the slave owner never gets to wear the chains, why should he have to pay for them?


Bling?
 
2011-04-18 12:08:48 AM

Dr. Mojo PhD: Just FYI, the Gini coefficient is named for Corrado Gini; it's not an initialism.

Otherwise, yes.


Damnit, I want my name on something cool.
 
2011-04-18 12:16:55 AM

Snatch Bandergrip: This analogy doesn't work. Since the poor pay more taxes than the rich, you would have to argue that the hard work of stupid kids is somehow giving a good student better grades.


"The poor pay more taxes than the rich"? have you been reading George Orwell again?
 
2011-04-18 12:17:41 AM

DamnYankees: hovsm: Another interesting observation is that GPA is not finite.

Well, GPAs are finite; you can't get higher than a 4 (ignoring the 4.3 crap for an A+). I think you mean to say that the total amount of all GPA's given is not bounded at anything less than 4 times the number of students.


The context in which I stated that GPA is not finite should tell you that I wasn't referring to the actual number to which you are awarded. Context is good. We don't share a finite amount of GPA. Well there are too many 4.0's so I am sorry, you get no GPA.
 
2011-04-18 12:18:39 AM
I ... I just have no counterargument.

Checkmate.

/rushes off to join Republican Party, country club.
//rejected by country club.
 
2011-04-18 12:24:15 AM
I have trouble equating the two.

Anyways, the guy riding the skateboard in the background made me laugh.
The girl that shows up at 2:08 is totally hot.

/You gotta keep an eye out for the really important details.
 
2011-04-18 12:26:58 AM

Without Fail: Robots are Strong: Hell man, the slave owner never gets to wear the chains, why should he have to pay for them?

Bling?


i262.photobucket.com
 
2011-04-18 12:33:15 AM
(btw, the above is from a really cool artist, if you're into surrealism and satire -- Paweł Kuczyński (new window))
 
2011-04-18 12:34:44 AM
sigh, wtb flat tax.
 
2011-04-18 12:37:06 AM

BuckTurgidson: I ... I just have no counterargument.

Checkmate.


Ha! If I had read that two seconds earlier my screen would be covered in a Heineken spit-take.
 
2011-04-18 12:39:55 AM

tony41454: So, the simple minded respond. NOWT can't come up with anything original so he/she shows their ignorance. Tell me, O master of the Low IQ, what group in this country is responsible for creating the most jobs? Creating business? What does this country need more of right now? Jobs? Will the poor create jobs? Will those on food stamps and welfare create jobs? No, Mr. Simple, it's the "rich," those with combined incomes of over $250,000 who own franchises, warehouses, print shops, etc., and the "super rich" who own factories. Fine, you can advocate your socialist wealth spreading, but you'll sit on your arse and collect welfare, because there will be no jobs. (Man, some people are just DENSE.)


I hear ya man, but you're wasting your breath here, Most on this site love polishing Government knob too much to realize SOMEONE has to work to subsidize all their bullshait.
 
2011-04-18 12:42:43 AM
Oh come on you jerks, you fell for THIS hoary old chestnut again??

Goddamn, it was old when I was learning my ABCs.

/pissing the entire Universe off since 1963
 
2011-04-18 12:42:56 AM

kyrg: I hear ya man, but you're wasting your breath here, Most on this site love polishing Government knob too much to realize SOMEONE has to work to subsidize all their bullshait.


That would be the workers, dumbass.
 
2011-04-18 12:44:44 AM

Kittypie070: /pissing the entire Universe except Lenny off since 1963


Biatch.
 
2011-04-18 12:45:11 AM
Students in the same class begin from the same starting point and the same number of resources are spent providing them with an education. What they do from that equal starting point is largely dependent on their work and innate talent.

Tell me the distribution of wealth in this country works the same way.
 
2011-04-18 12:48:20 AM

randomjsa: So I'll put it simply for you.


You're missing the point. The goal isn't equal opportunity, it's equal outcome.
 
2011-04-18 12:48:53 AM
baloney4145431441351551341: blah blab blah blaah blah blaaahhhh blab blab blah blah Jobs? Will the poor create jobs? Will those on blah blab blah blaah food stamps and blah blab blah blaah? No, Mr. Simple, it's the "rich," blah blab blah blaah of blaah blah blaaahhhh blab blab blah blah over $250,000 who own franchises, blaah blah blaaahhhh blab blab blah blah warehouses, print shops, etc., and the "super rich" blaah blah blaaahhhh blab blab blah blah who own blaah.

WHAR JOBS
RICH PEOPLE,
WHAR?
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2011-04-18 12:52:13 AM

Dr. Mojo PhD: tenpoundsofcheese: do you understand that there is competition to get into colleges?
Or do you think that every college accepts every applicant?

Do you think colleges accept an applicant that demonstrates superior scores but cannot pay the tuition over one that demonstrates inferior scores but can?

Once again, conservatives demonstrate a clear lack of thinking abilities.


Sort of. The Ivy league is full of valedictorians, saluditorians and people with 4.0s. You have a weird mix of legacies from Phillips Exeter and poor kids from Brooklyn Tech, but rarely do you have the middle class kid from Peoria, IL who has 4.0 but not the name nor the story to get into Harvard.
 
2011-04-18 01:01:26 AM
Lenny_da_Hog 2011-04-18 12:44:44 AM
Kittypie070: /pissing the entire Universe except Lenny off since 1963

Biatch.


Yeah, Lenny, I'm a bad BAD kitty.
 
2011-04-18 01:12:46 AM

hitchking: BuckTurgidson: I ... I just have no counterargument.

Checkmate.

Ha! If I had read that two seconds earlier my screen would be covered in a Heineken spit-take.


These young conservative men have hit the bullseye, and now the liberal dominoes will fall like a house of cards.

Yahtzee.
 
2011-04-18 01:15:19 AM
Judging by the headline I can tell that TFA and the thread that accompanies it will surely be polite and unbiased. But I won't waste my time reading either, instead I think I'll just go turn on my AM radio because it's easier to be spoonfed my bullshiat aurally.
 
2011-04-18 01:21:41 AM
If the course is graded on a curve, it won't make any difference.
 
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