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(Some Guy)   Progressive student: "We should tax the rich to give the poor more opportunity." Conservative: "So you'd be cool with me taking some points off your GPA to give the dumb some opportunity, right?" Progressive student:   (thelookingspoon.com) divider line 631
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2011-04-17 08:21:06 PM  
Yes.

I also firmly believe children should have IQ tests before school and ones that excel should have something attached to their skulls to send a distracting 'ping' to slow them down.

This will make life more equal and give the 'average' student a chance.

Now when are we going to stop taxing the rich so heavy and let their greater intelligence lead this country into the future?

/Read Ayn Rand, use the flat tax. Ignore corporate power.
 
2011-04-17 08:21:19 PM  
That's the dumbest analogy I've heard all week, and Skinnyhead has been posting a lot this week.

Freep Impact: When liberals are the "haves" instead of the "have-nots", then all of a sudden their Marxist, utopian "redistribution" ideals don't work for them.

It's all part of the pathology and hypocrisy which defines the left.


You can't redistribute intelligence. It's not our fault that freepers are dumb as rocks.
 
2011-04-17 08:23:17 PM  
This is how conservatives see the world.
 
2011-04-17 08:25:32 PM  

NationwideClyde: Oh, yeah, because distribution of wealth in this country is based on an institutionally orchestrated facsimile of meritocracy and not, you know, luck or privilege...


And therefore, we should take rich people's money. How dare they be lucky or more privileged.

http://www.forbes.com/wealth/forbes-4 00/gallery

Those lucky, privileged jerks. None of those guys ever did anything for anyone!
 
2011-04-17 08:26:03 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: Yeah because the bottom student's work directly contributes to the grade of the kid asking the question.


This. And to those who are going to argue about grading on a curve blah blah blah...many universities have a minimum passing score...AFTER the curve. My school was 30 percent. So if your class did not pass, those with a total score below 30% definitely could not pass nor could their score contribute to the curve
 
2011-04-17 08:26:36 PM  

Atheist Vuvuzela Marching Band: This. And to those who are going to argue about grading on a curve blah blah blah...many universities have a minimum passing score...AFTER the curve. My school was 30 percent. So if your class did not pass, those with a total score below 30% definitely could not pass nor could their score contribute to the curve


Yeah I didn't mention this because it's pretty well assumed.
 
2011-04-17 08:26:42 PM  
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Really, Fark?

REALLY???

/Remember when this site was about poking fun at these idiots in the media
//not being one of them?
 
2011-04-17 08:26:46 PM  

nowt: Progressive Student: If my GPA is over 9000.0...


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2011-04-17 08:27:09 PM  
This analogy doesn't work. Since the poor pay more taxes than the rich, you would have to argue that the hard work of stupid kids is somehow giving a good student better grades.
 
2011-04-17 08:28:12 PM  

Msol: Hell, even if this did happen, it would happen to all top students. So everyone who was at 4.0 is now at 3.5, making 3.5 the new A. There's actually no disadvantage...


same with money.
 
2011-04-17 08:28:23 PM  

DKinMN: How dare they be lucky or more privileged.


Why should we allow unearned privilege to determine anything? Why should a kid whose parents sent them to Exeter have things easier than a kid who went to some public inner city school? If both are equally intelligent, why allow the Exeter kid to have it easier?
 
2011-04-17 08:29:46 PM  
I was unaware I was able to purchase goods and services with GPA points. Hmmmm, maybe the scrotom suckers are onto something
 
2011-04-17 08:30:16 PM  

Freep Impact: "I want to see some FReeper school teacher try this with their students and see what the reaction is! Watch the children freak, the parents freak, and the local teacher's union freak. Then explain it was a joke to teach that redistribution of property isn't a good idea.

Any FReeper teachers willing to give it the old college try? LOL!"

Done it already. :)

I brought candy.

Everytime a student got a question right, I put it aside.

I separated each one so that the students thought they'd get the candy after class.

Then when class was over I shoved them all together and divided them evenly.

Lesson learned.


You know where else reward and punishment is often shared by the group, as a way of building camaraderie, teamwork and unit discipline? Not surprised that freepers don't.
 
2011-04-17 08:30:57 PM  
Oh, don't get me wrong. I have no problem with people keeping the fruits of their hard work, luck, and/or privilege. All three have done good things for me. I'm just saying the analogy is massively flawed.
 
2011-04-17 08:31:06 PM  
Or how about this:

You make a deal with your professor that if you meet certain performance goals, that you will receive a 4.0 in the class. However, because you chose his class over another easier class, he's required to spot you at least a 2.0 to start. If by some chance you fail the class and cause all of your study partners' GPA to drop, the professor guarantees you a 4.0 on the grounds that you're the only member of the class smart enough to fix the mess you caused. And if you drop the class, the professor still gives you a 4.0 because failure to do so will send a message to other potential students that they shouldn't sign up for his class.
 
2011-04-17 08:31:21 PM  

GAT_00: That's a stupid analogy. The whole idea behind affirmative action is that it lets someone who doesn't have absolute proof of excellence, such as someone without a great GPA, into college so they can excel on their own merits. When they're given the chance to go to school and have it paid for, it's now their own terms on passing and failing. Why is it that conservatives are so unable to grasp actual systems and instead fall back onto bad analogies that completely fail to address anything? Are you all that invested in your own bullshiat that you've lost all ability to reason?


That is not the idea behind affirmative action, nor is that how affirmative action works.

/I award you no points.
//And may god have mercy on your soul.
 
2011-04-17 08:31:24 PM  
Why does conservative humor generally suck?
 
2011-04-17 08:32:20 PM  
"Leftist teachers do actually try things like this, but it is usually much more subtle.

Nearly 30 years ago when I was in high school my social studies teacher decided to divide the class up into groups of five or six and give each group a collective grade.

I was one of those students with a 4.0 gpa and of course he stuck me in a group of screw ups and slackers. Well, I decided to go Galt on them and whatever the others did, I did too. I sat around and talked, looked at girls, bailed on class just like the others. I knew I had already earned enough for me to get an A out of the class.

At the end of the project, my liberal teacher told me how disappointed he was that I didn't pull the others across the finish line with me.

I told him how disappointed I was in him for expecting me to pull the wagon while everybody else got a free ride.

I don't know if he learned his lesson or not."

wouldn't a comparable analogy be sticking you with a kids that are trying but have no resources to do the project. here's your team to lead, 2 people have the text book, 1 uses a typewriter, 2 have a phone, 2 of them have a computer, of those 2, 1 has internet access and all of them take the bus so there is no "after school time" also you aren't assigned class time to do the project. Also these are your teams for the rest of the school year. now GO!
 
2011-04-17 08:33:01 PM  
High GPAs are far more likely to be merited than high incomes. Unless, of course, grades are now given out by a committee of students who agree to give each other good grades at the expense of people who actually work for them.

That's how corporate boards work, and that's where most super-high incomes come from.
 
2011-04-17 08:33:21 PM  

Freep Impact: When liberals are the "haves" instead of the "have-nots", then all of a sudden their Marxist, utopian "redistribution" ideals don't work for them.
It's all part of the pathology and hypocrisy which defines the left.


Ok except for two things, the very rich are mostly liberals and your a idiot.
 
2011-04-17 08:34:59 PM  

clambam: Freep Impact: Thank you Freep, you are performing a valuable public service. The lesson I took away from all that was "I'm going to act like a total dick to you because I don't like the government. If you feel I'm mistreating you, don't blame me, blame the government."

Is that about right?


Basically. Though you didn't mention Marxism.
 
2011-04-17 08:35:33 PM  

ne2d: GAT_00: That's a stupid analogy. The whole idea behind affirmative action is that it lets someone who doesn't have absolute proof of excellence, such as someone without a great GPA, into college so they can excel on their own merits.

I would say the Supreme Court more or less rejected that reasoning. The only Constitutionally-acceptable justification for affirmative action is that a school has the right to determine the demographic makeup of its student body.

But yes, it's an extremely stupid analogy.


That and the fact that statistically speaking, affirmative action students and hirees tend to perform better. Affirmative action is looking at potential rather than proven value and experience and assuming that the proven value and experience of minorities who have been historically oppressed will understate their potential.
 
2011-04-17 08:35:49 PM  
Here is the appropriate analogy -

Let's say the grade points distribution at the university breaks down like this:

Top 1% of students - 42% of all grade points
Next 4% - 27% of grade points
Next 5% - 11% of grade points
Next 10% - 12% of grade points
Bottom 80% - 7% of grade points at the university

So that's the top 10% of students holding 80% of all grade points at the school. Now, if those top 10% of students choose not to give some of their grade points up, a whole lot of that bottom 80% are going to flunk out of school. And if too many people start to flunk out of school, the reduced enrollment numbers will mean less income for the university, so some professors will be laid off, some sports will be cut, etc. Basically, the quality of life at the university will start to go in the tank. So this will affect even the top students. Not only will life be not as fun, there will be fewer classes to take, and thus, fewer grade points to earn in the future.

In that case, I'd say the top 1% with GPA's of like 1,000.0 would be willing to give away a little.
 
2011-04-17 08:36:59 PM  
If it was phrased as "Give a small amount of pointage to a pool to help people who are down on their luck, but give it to them in a system that requires them to get back on their feet ASAP.", I'd still be fine with it.
 
2011-04-17 08:37:42 PM  

The Fourth Karamazov: Why does conservative humor generally suck?


Comedy, like tragedy, has to come from a mind that has endured hardship. Apparently just believing that they've endured hardship isn't enough, no matter how much time they spend up on their own personal cross.
 
2011-04-17 08:38:21 PM  
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2011-04-17 08:38:24 PM  

BEER STEAK: In that case, I'd say the top 1% with GPA's of like 1,000.0 would be willing to give away a little.


You'd be surprised. I'd say they would want more.
 
2011-04-17 08:38:31 PM  
Conservative: "So you'd be cool with me taking some points off your GPA to give the dumb some opportunity, right?" Progressive student:

I think that I too would be left speechless if somebody actually said something that stupid to me.
 
2011-04-17 08:38:36 PM  
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Yeah I know. But it works for Rich-Poor too.
 
2011-04-17 08:38:39 PM  
Taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor = the poor become richer and distribution of wealth becomes more balanced.

Taking the GPA from a smart student and giving it to a failing student =/= the failing student gets smarter and the intelligence of the general population rises.

I mean, seriously. How does anyone invoke this analogy with a straight face?
 
2011-04-17 08:38:43 PM  
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2011-04-17 08:38:49 PM  
Is he actually admitting that Liberals have higher GPAs? That Conservatives are lazy and stupid and need GPA hand outs? That is what they say about wealth redistribution, so for him to actually believe his analogy he must also believe that about GPA distribution.

/How nice of him for admitting that conservatives are less intelligent.
//Don't get mad at me, he is the one saying it.
///And he is a conservative, so he would know.
 
2011-04-17 08:39:03 PM  
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Subby?
 
2011-04-17 08:39:28 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Bocanegra: How's that whole "tax the rich" thing working out for Europe?

A bunch of the wealthiest Germans recently protested to have their taxes raised. This in Germany where unemployment is lower than in the US and social programs are vastly superior. As are the labor laws.


Germany hasn't = Europe in about 70 years or so.
 
2011-04-17 08:40:04 PM  
Can all those students with the higher GPA be transferred from their community colleges to Ivy League schools while maintaining the same pay scale?

For this analogy to work, that's what would have to happen. All colleges across the country would have to be equalized and students with the higher GPA be able to freely switch to better education based on their GPA and exclude costs, etc.
 
2011-04-17 08:40:45 PM  
This is why we can't have nice things.
 
2011-04-17 08:41:39 PM  

Bocanegra: WhyteRaven74: Bocanegra: How's that whole "tax the rich" thing working out for Europe?

A bunch of the wealthiest Germans recently protested to have their taxes raised. This in Germany where unemployment is lower than in the US and social programs are vastly superior. As are the labor laws.

Germany hasn't = Europe in about 70 years or so.


Never mind the fact that Germany is Europe's largest economy.

But then again, you're just a partisan troll so facts get in the way of that.
 
2011-04-17 08:41:40 PM  
Who the funk thinks money and taxation---liquid capital--is somehow comparable to student performance in classes? At any given temporal point available capital is zero-sum. Grading isn't, unless you're on a curve. And then the highest grade is promoted, not reduced. You'd have to be weapons-grade stupid to ask the questions others are too smart to ask in the first place. Should've earned a much stronger smackdown.
 
2011-04-17 08:42:58 PM  
Equal opportunity for all is not the same thing as equal results for all. If we'd managed to remember this we'd have avoided both this stupid right-wing idea as well as several stupid left-wing ideas like hiring/acceptance quotas that address the symptom and not the problem.

WhyteRaven74: Why should we allow unearned privilege to determine anything? Why should a kid whose parents sent them to Exeter have things easier than a kid who went to some public inner city school? If both are equally intelligent, why allow the Exeter kid to have it easier?



We don't. Admission to College is based on standardized test results, recommendations, and extracurricular activities. The former aren't dependent on where you went to school, only how well-educated you are, and the last are more about school population than money (a 5A school will have more successful teams at a greater variety of activities than a 4A, etc).

Excepting schools with an established relationship with a particular institution, which are as often about helping the poor/stupid get into better colleges as anything else (see the relationship between Austin Community College and the University of Texas), at the admissions point you're pretty much on your own.

//There are legacies at specific institutions, as well, but they only have an advantage for that particular institution, and if we're going to talk about advantages in applying to specific colleges we'll be here all day.
 
2011-04-17 08:43:28 PM  

Freep Impact: When liberals are the "haves" instead of the "have-nots", then all of a sudden their Marxist, utopian "redistribution" ideals don't work for them.

It's all part of the pathology and hypocrisy which defines the left.

*

"I want to see some FReeper school teacher try this with their students and see what the reaction is! Watch the children freak, the parents freak, and the local teacher's union freak. Then explain it was a joke to teach that redistribution of property isn't a good idea.

Any FReeper teachers willing to give it the old college try? LOL!"

Done it already. :)

I brought candy.

Everytime a student got a question right, I put it aside.

I separated each one so that the students thought they'd get the candy after class.

Then when class was over I shoved them all together and divided them evenly.

Lesson learned.


*

I can just hear what each of those students are thinking.

It doesn't apply to me because I worked hard to get my GPA.

The rich don't work hard to earn their money therefore it is not the same.

Wait until their time comes to earn a "real" living.

*

I was training a manager at our company on his way up, and as his advocate managed to get him a (really) good raise (technically, he earned it, working double hours - a very hard worker.) He called me after the next payday, and said "I thought you said the raise was xx,xxx?"

I said, welcome to your government. Look at the gross and the net on the pay stub, then ask yourself if your ideas about government are sound. It's taken me years, but I have chipped away at a lot of that attitude.

*

Leftist teachers do actually try things like this, but it is usually much more subtle.

Nearly 30 years ago when I was in high school my social studies teacher decided to divide the class up into groups of five or six and give each group a collective grade.

I was one of those students with a 4.0 gpa and of course he stuck me in a group of screw ups and slackers. Well, I decided to go Galt on them and whatever the others did, I did too. I sat around and talked, looked at girls, bailed on class just like the others. I knew I had already earned enough for me to get an A out of the class.

At the end of the project, my liberal teacher told me how disappointed he was that I didn't pull the others across the finish line with me.

I told him how disappointed I was in him for expecting me to pull the wagon while everybody else got a free ride.

I don't know if he learned his lesson or not.


Someone should ask the freeper teacher if he's a union member.
 
2011-04-17 08:44:04 PM  

BEER STEAK: Let's say the grade points distribution at the university breaks down like this: Derpy or Poe's Law


Grades do not work that way.
 
2011-04-17 08:45:52 PM  

Arami76: Can all those students with the higher GPA be transferred from their community colleges to Ivy League schools while maintaining the same pay scale?

For this analogy to work, that's what would have to happen. All colleges across the country would have to be equalized and students with the higher GPA be able to freely switch to better education based on their GPA and exclude costs, etc.


And the fact that GPA, unlike income, generally has an upper limit. If the very rich effectively had some maximum income level in the real world, then perhaps the comparison would be slightly less absurd.
 
2011-04-17 08:46:16 PM  

Old enough to know better: Yeah I know. But it works for Rich-Poor too.


So in this revisionist historical fantasy of yours, was every white person a rich plantation owner?
 
2011-04-17 08:46:32 PM  
Progressive student: "We should tax the rich to give the poor more opportunity." Conservative: "So you'd be cool with me taking some points off your GPA to give the dumb some opportunity, right?"

How about the fact that in an academic setting the dumb already have the same opportunities as the smart? They have the same books, the same teachers, the same access to tutors, libraries, etc. Everyone is starting in the same place with the exact same chance at success.

Can you honestly make that same argument about the poor in this country compared to the rich?
 
2011-04-17 08:46:41 PM  
Heh, the rich kids already have extra points given to their GPAs. WTF is this guy talking about?
 
2011-04-17 08:47:04 PM  

WTF Indeed: Your blog sucks.

 
2011-04-17 08:47:52 PM  
So this is like when Joe Barton totally "schooled" a scientist on global warming by proudly demonstrating his ignorance about tectonic plates, right?
 
2011-04-17 08:48:37 PM  
Why yes! Listening to someone using such an incredibly farking moronic false equivalence DOES leave me utterly speechless at their insane level of stupidity! Good job, Subby. I haven't seen such an accurate headline in ages.
 
2011-04-17 08:48:52 PM  

Cinaed: BEER STEAK: Let's say the grade points distribution at the university breaks down like this: Derpy or Poe's Law

Grades do not work that way.


That was his point.
 
2011-04-17 08:48:54 PM  

Bocanegra: Old enough to know better: Yeah I know. But it works for Rich-Poor too.

So in this revisionist historical fantasy of yours, was every white person a rich plantation owner?


As a matter of curiosity, how many black plantation owners were there?
 
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