d3bug: NOW... if the 3 assumptions are not correct, then who do we blame?

Well, this is Fark. So... Bush.

Someone needs to do a comedy mash-up of this, set the the Benny Hill theme music.

Holy shiat though, it's stunningly awful. That woman in the dark coat near the end just plodding slowly along, I was willing her to start sprinting. I assume she was tired out by that stage. Hope she made it, she was so close.

And yeah, the white truck heading into the tunnel. Man, imagine the "WTF?" look on that man's face a few seconds later.

Eirik: d3bug: NOW... if the 3 assumptions are not correct, then who do we blame?

Well, this is Fark. So... Bush.

LMAO.... damn... you owe me a keyboard!

epoc_tnac: but you can certainly grind them down if they are not secure in their beliefs.

If they are secure in a belief you can't. (see- evolution/creationist threads)

If they're just trolls, they gain attention by being nasty.(common human trait, the need for attention, bad is better than none, people turn it into fame).

I've used the same argument in the past, that you may sway someone who's riding on the fence. So I can see your point.

Creationist being my example. I reply to them to sway other readers who may be reading, or expose them to ideas/ideals that may have not made sense before.

Now, when it comes to someone so vitrolic as Gaylord there, I don't see many people in the middle to be enlightened.

The immediate responses expressing loathing are a comfort(replace some of my faith in the human condition), and may play a role as I describe above on other places, but as for Fark, I just don't see that much of the populace in need of that kind of education of why...hate is bad..mmmmmkay.

You tube, yeah, I can see that, the masses there are of a more widely variant nature.

meh
*shrugs*

Maybe I'm mistaken about the kind of people that use Fark.

TanSau: Imagine that in Florida.

I'll be in Florida next month. And I have been. It's really putting a damper on my enthusiasm for the trip. :-(

studebaker hoch: Moar pwnnination ensues.

Is it wrong that I laughed at that one? The guy filming in the second clip takes a phone call and says, "Yes, hello? Actually, where I'm at... I'm in the middle of a tsunami right now. I'm on high ground... Yes, don't worry, yes, I'm okay, I'm okay, yes, I'm in a safe place, yes... okay."

just wow. Thanks for sharing subby.

Horrifying video. Keep in mind a similar fault line resides off off the Washington-Oregon coast. The Juan de Fuca/Cascadia subduction zone sits just off shore, similar lead time to tsunami events as the Japan quake. As far as 9.5 as the upper limit? Negative, we are looking at maybe 200 years of data? We could learn more from American Indians but we murdered most of em. But, even 1000 years, that's a fingers snap on the time scale. The Richter scale is OPEN ENDED, there is no upper limit. Hate using Wiki sometimes (the Encyclopedia Brittanica of the new age - I always got points deducted for using EB as a reference in high school:), but there have been much larger events, keep in mind the Richter Scale is logarithmic, a 5.0 is 10 times more than a 4.0, blah blah blah. I read somewhere that there were seashells found on an Australia hillside that were 800 feet above sea level (no source). And to add proof to my undiagnosed ADHD, we started a business in Carlsbad Ca. Had to pay for a Tidal Wave Report. Several $thousands later it was determined that any wave over 342 feet (our MSL elevation, adjacent to McClellan Palomar Airport - CRQ, money well spent), we were farked! Sleep well, my Pacific and Atlantic Ocean neighbors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richter_magnitude_scale

Those people sound like dying seagulls.

ParagonComplex: Maybe people will stfu about Katrina now. That was a kiddie pool compared to this. Has to be the worst natural disaster in recorded history.

What are you? 14? The worst in recorded history? That's not even close to being true. More than 200,000 died in the 2004 tsunami. I'm not saying that was the worst, but come on msn, 7 years ago by ANY standards was recorded in the history books. Google it dumbass.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake_and_tsunami

at first all you see is what looks like a wall of smoke, then the entire town is coming at you. You're on a hill and you have to go higher.

You couldn't write that nightmare.

studebaker hoch: JPINFV

I hate videos like that almost as bad as the one in this thread because you see the cars and trucks with headlights on being pushed around and pray to God that no one was inside when the water hit. At least if you get sucked in, you run the benefit of being knocked unconscious before drowning. However drowning inside the passenger compartment of a vehicle has to be it's own little version of pure hell.

My guess would be there are people all through those buildings.

Yet another video of a town going under what appears to be at least fifteen feet of water, maybe a lot more

True, there are most likely people in those buildings. However with buildings there's normally no real signs of life, which makes it easier to delude ourselves that no one was inside. A car with its headlights on or (in one video's case) the rear window wiper running (which was, thankfully empty as there was a real good shot of the vehicle)? Not quite as easy to do.

IStateTheObvious: MONSTERTRUCK: 南三陸町志津川高校から見た津波の様子
東日本大震災で、南三陸町志津川高校から見た津波の様子をデジカメで撮影いたしました。最後の方で、畑を逃げている人たちは全員助かっています。 追記 9.11テロの際には、報道の流す映像によってPTSDの症状が出た方がいたようです。このようなショッキングな映像を見続けることは心の健康にプラスにはなりません。ご 注意ください。 私自身この津波で家を流され、飼っていた猫も失いました。あまりこの動画を見たいとは思いませんので、散々迷った挙句アップロードいたしました。 これを見ることが被災者の気持ちを理解することにつながるとは思いませんが、何が起きてどんな感じだったのかを誰かに知ってもらいたいと思って公開してしまいました。

The babelfish translation isn't that good, but I believe this says that all those people crossing the field made it, but whoever posted that lost their house and their cat.

OMG...so that means no dinner tonite?

For people saying "Why didn't they run faster?" -- we don't know how long or fast they may have been running (uphill, yet) before they came into frame. They may have been exhausted and/or disabled in some way.

x1v16: ParagonComplex: Maybe people will stfu about Katrina now. That was a kiddie pool compared to this. Has to be the worst natural disaster in recorded history.

What are you? 14? The worst in recorded history? That's not even close to being true. More than 200,000 died in the 2004 tsunami. I'm not saying that was the worst, but come on msn, 7 years ago by ANY standards was recorded in the history books. Google it dumbass.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake_and_tsunami

200k, sadly, is nothing compared to the disasters that happened in China that were mentioned previously in the thread. I would call you a name, but I'd rather just educate you.

Link to quite a few numbers (new window)

studebaker hoch:
Yet another video of a town going under what appears to be at least fifteen feet of water, maybe a lot more

I'd take that video more seriously if the guy filming it wasn't whining about his car throughout the whole thing. "Ore no kurumaaaaa!" ("My caaaaar!")

I Like Shiny Things: IStateTheObvious: MONSTERTRUCK: 南三陸町志津川高校から見た津波の様子
東日本大震災で、南三陸町志津川高校から見た津波の様子をデジカメで撮影いたしました。最後の方で、畑を逃げている人たちは全員助かっています。 追記 9.11テロの際には、報道の流す映像によってPTSDの症状が出た方がいたようです。このようなショッキングな映像を見続けることは心の健康にプラスにはなりません。ご 注意ください。 私自身この津波で家を流され、飼っていた猫も失いました。あまりこの動画を見たいとは思いませんので、散々迷った挙句アップロードいたしました。 これを見ることが被災者の気持ちを理解することにつながるとは思いませんが、何が起きてどんな感じだったのかを誰かに知ってもらいたいと思って公開してしまいました。

The babelfish translation isn't that good, but I believe this says that all those people crossing the field made it, but whoever posted that lost their house and their cat.

OMG...so that means no dinner tonite?

Say that to MY face...

myrla_cat: x1v16: ParagonComplex: Maybe people will stfu about Katrina now. That was a kiddie pool compared to this. Has to be the worst natural disaster in recorded history.

What are you? 14? The worst in recorded history? That's not even close to being true. More than 200,000 died in the 2004 tsunami. I'm not saying that was the worst, but come on msn, 7 years ago by ANY standards was recorded in the history books. Google it dumbass.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake_and_tsunami

200k, sadly, is nothing compared to the disasters that happened in China that were mentioned previously in the thread. I would call you a name, but I'd rather just educate you.

Link to quite a few numbers (new window)

You must have missed the part where the previous poster said "I'm not saying that was the worst."

redsquid: d3bug: NittLion78: If there is a god, he is a f***ing asshole.

Lets assume God exists.
Lets assume God caused this event.
Lets assume that God is the God of the Bible.

Now, assuming all of those things (real questions):
1> What gives you the right to judge God (you are mortal and of limited intelligence, God is not)
2> Why are you suprised these events are happening (they have been fortold, and given the state of the world - nonbelievers, sin, destruction, pure evil in the world against fellow man [commited by man] - how could God NOT react?
3> God isn't just warm and fuzzy... he also punishes (what happens to children who are not punished when they do wrong?)

NOW... if the 3 assumptions are not correct, then who do we blame?

I'll ignore the other troll in this thread but if you are saying in any way that this is the work of some made up sky daddy trying to punish us then fark you and fark your spoiled 5 year old of a god. It's so much easier to say 'his will be done' than it is to get off your ass and make real change.

/reading comprehention - how does it work?
//I think you need to reread my post, and look up "hypothesis"
///slashies

RyunosukeKnT: texdent: TanSau: No matter how bad your days is, it is not as bad as theirs.

If this happened in ANY other country the death toll would increase by 100 fold.

Imagine that in Florida.

I was watching some channel the other night and they had something called Mega Disasters on. Apparently there's a volcano somewhere in the Atlantic that if it violently exploded, enough of the volcano would rush down into the ocean, creating a giant tsunami that would pretty much wipe out the east coast.

The volcano in question is La Palma, off the coast of Africa

Linkage (new window)

Isla de la Palma is the island. The volcano is Cumbre Vieja (new window). Some of the simulations I've seen of that landslide are just terrifying. If/when Cumbre Vieja collapses, Florida will be wiped clean along with most of the east coast flatlands.

BaronBarracuda: Part of the big island of Hawaii is also slowly breaking off and getting ready to plunge into the ocean. When it does, the tsunami created by it will dwarf nearly all other recorded ones.

Landslide-generated tsunamis are the largest, aside from ocean-impacting asteroid/comet tsunamis.

These lecture notes (pops, horrible site design but good info) show a lot about Hawaiian landslides. The first image in particular shows 17 separate underwater regions that are formed from the remains of massive landslides.

texdent: Anyone speak Japanese enough to know what they were saying? Besides probably 'holy fark crap?'

Mostly, 'This is bad!' and 'Hey hey hey hey...' with a lot of 'Mom!' and other random oh shiat phrases mixed in.

strangeguitar: If you look to the right of the screen (at the tunnel), you can see what looks like a white panel truck entering the tunnel. A second later, the water starts in rushing over that area. I can't believe that person had a chance of survival.

That is sad.
/amazing video though

Yeah, that's what I thought as well. All I could think was "F**k, pal, get out of your truck and run."

Bad enough to stay in the vehicle. Unbelievable that he would go into a tunnel.

the_immoral_minority: And to add proof to my undiagnosed ADHD, we started a business in Carlsbad Ca. Had to pay for a Tidal Wave Report. Several $thousands later it was determined that any wave over 342 feet (our MSL elevation, adjacent to McClellan Palomar Airport - CRQ, money well spent), we were farked! Sleep well, my Pacific and Atlantic Ocean neighbors.

What type of quake and what fault would cause a tsunami that high? From what I've heard a few areas of San Diego would be farked by a tsunami, but they don't have a subduction fault capable of creating anything on that scale that I've ever heard of.

/used to have an office a mile from that airport

studebaker hoch: JPINFV

I hate videos like that almost as bad as the one in this thread because you see the cars and trucks with headlights on being pushed around and pray to God that no one was inside when the water hit. At least if you get sucked in, you run the benefit of being knocked unconscious before drowning. However drowning inside the passenger compartment of a vehicle has to be it's own little version of pure hell.

My guess would be there are people all through those buildings.

Yet another video of a town going under what appears to be at least fifteen feet of water, maybe a lot more

I really can't help but laugh at the guy going 'SERIOUSLY? AAHHHHH, MY CAR' like every minute or so.

Gaylord Fister: I bet the Chinese screamed similarly at the rape of Nanking. Or the people that were experimented on by Unit 731.

/fark them

And most of the Japanese who did that are long dead. But don't let that stop your retarded viewpoint.

studebaker hoch: Watch how fast the water comes over the wall with barely a ripple until it's in the street:

Tsunami sneak attack

That's a horrible video. The dude with the camera was trying to see what happened to the car that got washed away. That person probably died.

That's awful.

This one scares the piss out of me (new window)

muck4doo: syrynxx: That's pretty powerful. I feel sad for the people lugging a cart of crap as if it's worth dying for. Run! You can always buy more crap later.

Exactly. What's the old saying? "At least you still have your health"?


Yeah, that saying kind of expired when shiat hit the fan at Fukushima. :-(

Holy farking hell. And those people running at the end? Why the hell weren't they out of the way? Props to the guy at the end trying to help get people up.

Dude ran down to help and died. Brave, but, #1 rule of first responders, don't let yourself become a victim.

myrla_cat: x1v16: ParagonComplex: Maybe people will stfu about Katrina now. That was a kiddie pool compared to this. Has to be the worst natural disaster in recorded history.

What are you? 14? The worst in recorded history? That's not even close to being true. More than 200,000 died in the 2004 tsunami. I'm not saying that was the worst, but come on msn, 7 years ago by ANY standards was recorded in the history books. Google it dumbass.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake_and_tsunami

200k, sadly, is nothing compared to the disasters that happened in China that were mentioned previously in the thread. I would call you a name, but I'd rather just educate you.

Link to quite a few numbers (new window)


That's sad.

Sadder still is the fact that over the last century, we humans have murdered many times more of each other than all those natural disasters combined.

Stalin alone, even.

syrynxx: That's pretty powerful. I feel sad for the people lugging a cart of crap as if it's worth dying for. Run! You can always buy more crap later.

I don't want to make this more depressing that it is...but i am sure some of what they may have been carrying were infants.

texdent: Compared to the others, that doesn't seem that scary.

I think it's the fact that the person taking that video isn't very high up that gets me.

Airfoilsguy: Would be interesting to see how well you can hold a video camera as you watch your entire town get wiped out and people you know and love die.

Right... I was commenting on the quality of the camera work. That guy really needs to go back to film school.

You don't need to speak Japanese to know what these folks are saying.

Jgok: RyunosukeKnT: texdent: TanSau: No matter how bad your days is, it is not as bad as theirs.

If this happened in ANY other country the death toll would increase by 100 fold.

Imagine that in Florida.

I was watching some channel the other night and they had something called Mega Disasters on. Apparently there's a volcano somewhere in the Atlantic that if it violently exploded, enough of the volcano would rush down into the ocean, creating a giant tsunami that would pretty much wipe out the east coast.

The volcano in question is La Palma, off the coast of Africa

Linkage (new window)

Isla de la Palma is the island. The volcano is Cumbre Vieja (new window). Some of the simulations I've seen of that landslide are just terrifying. If/when Cumbre Vieja collapses, Florida will be wiped clean along with most of the east coast flatlands.

BaronBarracuda: Part of the big island of Hawaii is also slowly breaking off and getting ready to plunge into the ocean. When it does, the tsunami created by it will dwarf nearly all other recorded ones.

Landslide-generated tsunamis are the largest, aside from ocean-impacting asteroid/comet tsunamis.

These lecture notes (pops, horrible site design but good info) show a lot about Hawaiian landslides. The first image in particular shows 17 separate underwater regions that are formed from the remains of massive landslides.

This is the terrifying aspect. Humanity wasn't around or was very young when the truly gargantuan disasters occurred. As we are living in a world deprived of mega-fauna, we're living in a time without mega-disasters. Krakatoa, Chile, the Midwest, Galveston, Japan, we think those are enormous, but they're just previews compared to the mega-tsunami-creating giga-landslides, Yellowstone caldera, and the K-T Event.

TheWizard: FissionMan1: To clear up any doubt.

So my rule will be:

"Your bones may be brittle, and it might hurt like hell and break a few, but for the next 60 seconds you are going over my shoulder. Hold on to your dentures if you want to live"

Jesus, so much THIS. Why didn't someone just pick the wheelchair occupant up in a fireman's lift and let the chair go? A dear friend of mine has cerebral palsy and uses a scooter to get around; when her house caught fire, her husband tossed her over his shoulder, grabbed their mutt by his collar and got them both out. Insurance paid for a new Rascal and she was unhurt, even if she had to be carried around for a couple of weeks.

In case of fire, tornado or other emergency in the university building where I work (5 stories), persons in wheelchairs are supposed to park themselves next to the stairwell and wait for the firemen to come carry them out (the elevators will return to the ground floor automatically when the alarms go off). If I'm ever on the upper floors when tornadoes hit, I hope I'll have the strength to carry at least one person to the basement. And I hope others will help.

d3bug: NittLion78: If there is a god, he is a f***ing asshole.

Lets assume God exists.
Lets assume God caused this event.
Lets assume that God is the God of the Bible.

Now, assuming all of those things (real questions):
1> What gives you the right to judge God (you are mortal and of limited intelligence, God is not)

He told us He was just and merciful. He obviously gets to have the final word on what constitutes just and merciful, but my limited mortal intelligence -- which, I must point out, was "made in His image", and thus shouldn't be completely lame -- can't help concluding that He's being quite the dick.

2> Why are you suprised these events are happening (they have been fortold, and given the state of the world - nonbelievers, sin, destruction, pure evil in the world against fellow man [commited by man] - how could God NOT react?

Well, reacting by going against the worst of the bad actors would be a mighty fine start. What, He had no choice but to sweep away everybody? Well, what kind of omnipotence is that supposed to demonstrate?

3> God isn't just warm and fuzzy... he also punishes (what happens to children who are not punished when they do wrong?)

Um, they turn out to be assholes.

Now, what happens to kids who are punished by being beaten to death, or shaken until they're vegetables? And what happens to their siblings who witness this behavior from a parent?

/theodicy FTL

Farker T: Sadder still is the fact that over the last century, we humans have murdered many times more of each other than all those natural disasters combined.

"We"? I didn't. In fact I specifically said not to.

syrynxx: That's pretty powerful. I feel sad for the people lugging a cart of crap as if it's worth dying for. Run! You can always buy more crap later.

Um ... I don't think so.

It hurts me to the core to say this - and I blew this up to full screen to be sure. I don't think that was a cart of crap they were hauling. I think it was someone in a wheelchair.

I hope to holy fark I am wrong. Somebody please tell me I am. This is one time I'll be glad to be told I'm full of crap, man. Real glad.

bring me my brown pants

la_cyberchicana: In case of fire, tornado or other emergency in the university building where I work (5 stories), persons in wheelchairs are supposed to park themselves next to the stairwell and wait for the firemen to come carry them out

I think that's "as opposed to clogging up the exit routes", not "you'll be OK, just hang tight".