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(Daily Mail)   Daughter writes book, says mom beat her. Mom sues daughter and incurs huge debt, then loses. Now Mom is losing her house, too. AND THE LAWYERS SWEEP THE SERIES   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 64
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2011-04-17 07:34:53 AM  
Lady should not have taken legal action were she not ready to lose the case. Also, suing your daughter who is a lawyer and a judge? Fail.
 
2011-04-17 07:35:11 AM  
Well, they sure don't put the "fun" in dysfunctional.

Single mom with 11 kids. Yup, pretty much says it all.
 
2011-04-17 07:35:49 AM  
Obvious tag not appearing due to gag order.

/lawyers win again!
 
2011-04-17 07:36:33 AM  
Subby that made no sense whatsoever. Now I *have* to read the article.....

....Okay. Now I see. Child beater gets theirs later in life. Huh.
 
2011-04-17 07:37:26 AM  
The person in th eleft photo is the mother?

/that's a man, baby
 
2011-04-17 07:39:57 AM  
The Mets went 0-3 as well.


/Ducks
 
2011-04-17 07:42:01 AM  
Judging the book by the cover, author had 4chan 'shop the photo on the cover. That's some high quality graphics there 'guv.
 
2011-04-17 07:49:18 AM  
the article indicates the other 10 siblings sided with the mothers' story. it seems the judge/lawyer/daughter may have leveraged her position and connections to railroad her own mother for profit and book sales. wait 10 years or so and there will be a full retraction exonerating the mother, when there are no more book profits to be made...
 
2011-04-17 07:50:51 AM  
Ever see a skinny lawyer? Ever wonder why?
 
2011-04-17 07:52:02 AM  
Yeah, I'm really struggling to see what's sad about this, except maybe the fact that a woman who allegedly drove her child to a suicide attempt can't face reality.

Just to check: in British courts, the plaintiff is liable for the defendant's court costs. Right?
 
2011-04-17 07:57:44 AM  

sprky777: the article indicates the other 10 siblings sided with the mothers' story. it seems the judge/lawyer/daughter may have leveraged her position and connections to railroad her own mother for profit and book sales. wait 10 years or so and there will be a full retraction exonerating the mother, when there are no more book profits to be made...

FTA: Mrs Briscoe-Mitchell's counsel said she struggled to bring up her 11 children and provided for all of them to the best of her ability - an assertion supported by Constance's siblings.


They agree that she provided for them and that she did so to the best of her ability. That's it.

Good reading comprehension there, sparky.

/or is it sporky?
 
2011-04-17 07:59:21 AM  
My opinion: there's more to this than what the article is letting on.

- The book title is 'ugly'
- It shows a small black girl with her head down between her arms
- The lawyer claims the mother beat her, and blames the mother for driving her to a depression so deep she took bleach. (bleach? really?)
- The lawyer's siblings side with the mother.
- Keyphrase (it's not about the beatings): she said she had undergone plastic surgery to remove the 'ugliness' with which her mother taunted her.

Proof:

i.dailymail.co.uk
Social-climbing (in the good way) daughter


i.dailymail.co.uk
Left behind in the ghetto (in the bad way) mama


Mmm hmmm. Yeah.

Yeah, this book should have been written by Sapphire or bell hooks. Or Toni Morrison. But the report centers on the beatings. Real question: anyone know any poor family which didn't administer ass-whuppings? Real question number two: where her anger at her daddy? Anyway, I'm amused that she say her mother called her a dirty little whore. Thing are waaaaaaaaaaay different in Britain. Even the insults blacks (allegedly) hurl at one another are different.
 
2011-04-17 08:03:26 AM  

sprky777: the article indicates the other 10 siblings sided with the mothers' story.


That doesn't necessarily mean anything - my siblings will swear up and down that my dad was a good father who never laid a finger on anybody, but in reality, he was a violent bastard who left me with permanent disabilities.
 
2011-04-17 08:08:44 AM  
"We moved into this home in 1961 and seven of my 11 children were born here. I spent all that time taking cleaning jobs to support them."

Well, let's be honest. She wasn't spending all of that time cleaning. Nudge nudge wink wink.

Any barristers here want to help me understand what happened? Mother sued daughter for libel and not only lost but had a judgment entered against her as well? Did the court feel that her claim was so outrageous or without merit that she should was ordered to pay daughter's legal fees?

/would be great to learn this daughter is the youngest of 11
//sympathy meter registering in the negatives - £555,087 = $905,235.88 US
///first to predict that house gonna burn before momma let dat betwettin' biatch get it
////i would hit that judge but not hard enough to knock off that fake hair
 
2011-04-17 08:09:00 AM  
I have zero sympathy for the sue-happy old hag, now she needs to face the consequences.
 
2011-04-17 08:11:24 AM  

turbidum: sprky777: the article indicates the other 10 siblings sided with the mothers' story. it seems the judge/lawyer/daughter may have leveraged her position and connections to railroad her own mother for profit and book sales. wait 10 years or so and there will be a full retraction exonerating the mother, when there are no more book profits to be made...

FTA: Mrs Briscoe-Mitchell's counsel said she struggled to bring up her 11 children and provided for all of them to the best of her ability - an assertion supported by Constance's siblings.

They agree that she provided for them and that she did so to the best of her ability. That's it.

Good reading comprehension there, sparky.

/or is it sporky?


I agree with sprky777. Again, unless there's more to the story which the paper is not printing about the siblings who are siding with their mama. This was a mother raising eleven children. The mama does not say that she did it all by herself (according to the paper). Nor does the daughter mention her daddy beating her or being involved in any of the incidents which made her feel 'ugly' (according to the paper). The years in question were 1964 to 1974, with the judge being 54 now, that would mean that the shiat went down 37 to 47 years ago.... when she was between 7 and 17? Mama says they moved into the house in 1961, and seven more children were born. So the judge was one of the first four kids born? and had to deal with taking care of seven other little siblings before leaving the house?

Looks like the Judge got lost in the shuffle, and resents that to this day, in spite of her History Making Life after Mama. The other siblings siding with mama as a good provider is significant, I believe.

And then there's that other thing, which is dead obvious to my American eyes.

Who are the judge's current peers? It makes a big difference if she still hangs out with folks who survived and escaped the hood, yet made it big............ or if she pulled a Bryant Gumbel.
 
2011-04-17 08:21:55 AM  
In England the losing party pays the winning party's attorney fees. That is not the case in the US.
 
2011-04-17 08:24:58 AM  

Macinfarker: In England the losing party pays the winning party's attorney fees. That is not the case in the US.


I need to be a defense lawyer in the UK then. I get they get paid BANK!
 
2011-04-17 08:30:40 AM  
She should have let her mother write a rebuttal after each chapter. Worked for Chris and Bob Elliott.
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2011-04-17 08:32:04 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: I agree with sprky777. Again, unless there's more to the story which the paper is not printing about the siblings who are siding with their mama. This was a mother raising eleven children. The mama does not say that she did it all by herself (according to the paper). Nor does the daughter mention her daddy beating her or being involved in any of the incidents which made her feel 'ugly' (according to the paper). The years in question were 1964 to 1974, with the judge being 54 now, that would mean that the shiat went down 37 to 47 years ago.... when she was between 7 and 17? Mama says they moved into the house in 1961, and seven more children were born. So the judge was one of the first four kids born? and had to deal with taking care of seven other little siblings before leaving the house?

Looks like the Judge got lost in the shuffle, and resents that to this day, in spite of her History Making Life after Mama. The other siblings siding with mama as a good provider is significant, I believe.

And then there's that other thing, which is dead obvious to my American eyes.

Who are the judge's current peers? It makes a big difference if she still hangs out with folks who survived and escaped the hood, yet made it big............ or if she pulled a Bryant Gumbel.


I agree there is probably more to this story (though why it would be omitted from the article, I can't say). But, when the article only says that the siblings agreed that their mother provided for them to the best of their abilities, I can't help but read between the lines and postulate why they didn't side with her on the rest of her story (i.e. what Fluorescent Testicle said).

Yes, it's hard to raise 11 children (alone or not), and I do not envy the hardships this mother had to go through, but if there really were no abuse (verbal/physical/psychological) then I would guess that at least one of the other 10 children would speak up to say so.
 
2011-04-17 08:40:58 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: turbidum:

And then there's that other thing, which is dead obvious to my American eyes.

Who are the judge's current peers? It makes a big difference if she still hangs out with folks who survived and escaped the hood, yet made it big............ or if she pulled a Bryant Gumbel.


Wait, what? I'm America, and I would say she's had a hard life and can hang out with whoever the hell she wants to. It makes no difference to me if she spends her personal life with poor people who made is big or with rich dissolute heirs to the throne. Or are you implying the race of her friends is important? Because again, screw those expectations.

And the sibling thing is complicated. Would you give evidence against your own mother? Even if she was mean and abusive sometimes?
 
2011-04-17 08:42:16 AM  

Ender's: Lady should not have taken legal action were she not ready to lose the case. Also, suing your daughter who is a lawyer and a judge? Fail.


This. It sounds to me like the abuse story might have been true, as well: at least the courts thought so. Don't file lawsuits if you're not prepared to lose, and if she really DID abuse her daughter, well, I can't say I'm sorry she's now broke and losing her home.
 
2011-04-17 08:43:34 AM  

reubendaley: Any barristers here want to help me understand what happened? Mother sued daughter for libel and not only lost but had a judgment entered against her as well? Did the court feel that her claim was so outrageous or without merit that she should was ordered to pay daughter's legal fees?


In many jurisdictions, the maxim is "Costs follow the cause." It's a terrific tool for discouraging stupid litigation, at least amongst people who have assets which can be realized upon.

Bring an action and lose --> pay (part of) the defendant's legal fees.

Refuse to pay a successful claim --> pay (part of) the plaintiff's legal fees.
 
2011-04-17 08:56:57 AM  
This is sad and another reason why people shouldn't have so many kids.
 
2011-04-17 09:05:32 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Again, unless there's more to the story which the paper is not printing


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2011-04-17 09:09:09 AM  
Daughter says in book mom beat her 40 years ago.
(a) Spend a fortune defending your noble ass.
Or (b) Deal with it.
 
2011-04-17 09:12:00 AM  
FTA: Mrs Briscoe-Mitchell, who is not legally represented, says she fears this is the first step to forcing her to sell. 'It's beyond belief and outrageous that I might be forced out of my home after all I have done bringing up my children.

faqsmedia.ign.com

'We moved into this home in 1961 and seven of my 11 children were born here. I spent all that time taking cleaning jobs to support them. Now it looks like I may have to leave because I took action against my daughter.'


Yes. Yes it does. And your point is what again?

//no patience of sympathy for abusive parents
//also wonders why a 78 y.o. woman needs to still live in a 5 bedroom house when all her kids are grown and have moved out. not a criticism, but definitely a head scratcher.
 
2011-04-17 09:15:37 AM  
I wrote an essay on my father that appeared in Yankee magazine. It was for Father's Day and reflected the good and not so good points about him and how we shared similar paths under different circumstances. My sister, the only other living relative, first threatened me, then tried to sue the publisher. It was thrown out because it was my recollection, not an attempt to libel anyone. She had to pay both her attorney's fees and the publisher's attorney's fees. Lesson learned to the tune of $35,000.

/now writing a novel of my dysfunctional American family
 
2011-04-17 09:18:11 AM  
Or if you're having trouble supporting your first 4 kids, don't pop out 7 more.
 
2011-04-17 09:23:35 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Yeah, this book should have been written by Sapphire or bell hooks. Or Toni Morrison. But the report centers on the beatings. Real question: anyone know any poor family which didn't administer ass-whuppings?


There's a big difference between smacking a child for stepping out of line, and crushing a child by administering physical or emotional abuse.

My dad adminstered a few smacks on me as a kid. He smacked me, told me why, sent me to bed to think about, came up to talk calmly about what I'd done and it was forgotten. The things listed in this article aren't that - they're basically crushing emotional abuse.

The main thing about this case aren't about the material facts, either. The daughter wasn't suing the mother for the beatings and emotional abuse. She just wrote about them, and her mother sued her for libel and lost.

Oh, and never fark around with lawyers. In my experience, they're good clients who pay on time for work delivered. But if you start bullshiatting them then they will sue.
 
2011-04-17 09:31:02 AM  

BizarreMan: Or if you're having trouble supporting your first 4 kids, don't pop out 7 more.


If only there was some way to prevent pregnancy...
 
2011-04-17 09:37:17 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: sprky777: the article indicates the other 10 siblings sided with the mothers' story.

That doesn't necessarily mean anything - my siblings will swear up and down that my dad was a good father who never laid a finger on anybody, but in reality, he was a violent bastard who left me with permanent disabilities.


Fluorescent Testicle - so it's not just a clever name...

/I kid. Sorry...
 
2011-04-17 09:40:44 AM  
Main message: Don't sue if you can't afford to lose. But that's a sad thing to say, bearing in mind you might have to live with terrible libels against you if you don't want to risk your house.

Having said that, if the mother really did abuse her daughter, then HA HA! If not, then it really is horrific that she might lose her house for trying to clear her name........but the constant nonsense about "I've lived here forever and brought up a ridiculous number of children here" really isn't a particularly good case for the defence, dumbass.
 
2011-04-17 09:54:15 AM  
I don't know many people with abusive families, but of the ones I do more seem to side with the abuser/s than not, when it comes to influence from outside the family. Even when they freely admit to hating the one/s responsible. I really don't get it, but it happens.
 
2011-04-17 09:58:48 AM  

AbbeySomeone: This is sad and another reason why people shouldn't have so many kids a mother.


FTFY
Mothers are dangerous. I read story after story on Fark about mothers doing things to their children. Why haven't we started to ban them yet?
 
2011-04-17 10:00:33 AM  
I fail to sympathize with anyone who has 11 children.

I'm sure it was tough, but you really should have considered keeping your legs shut after the third or fourth child.
 
2011-04-17 10:13:24 AM  

AbbeySomeone: BizarreMan: Or if you're having trouble supporting your first 4 kids, don't pop out 7 more.

If only there was some way to prevent pregnancy...


www.ellor.co.uk
 
2011-04-17 10:18:16 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: sprky777: the article indicates the other 10 siblings sided with the mothers' story.

That doesn't necessarily mean anything - my siblings will swear up and down that my dad was a good father who never laid a finger on anybody, but in reality, he was a violent bastard who left me with permanent disabilities.


Yup. And lots of families will discuss it privately, or with just a couple of family members present, but in public conversation it never happened.
 
2011-04-17 10:29:09 AM  

lajimi: Ever see a skinny lawyer? Ever wonder why?


Why, yes I have, over at Legal at TheOffice(tm). Her name is Meaghan, she's got a really cute smile (the twice-a-decade or so she DOES smile) and she's got LEGS (I suspect that she's a runner).
 
2011-04-17 10:35:46 AM  

espiaboricua: lajimi: Ever see a skinny lawyer? Ever wonder why?

Why, yes I have, over at Legal at TheOffice(tm). Her name is Meaghan, she's got a really cute smile (the twice-a-decade or so she DOES smile) and she's got LEGS (I suspect that she's a runner).


Yeah, it's tough chasing those ambulances. They drive fast!
 
2011-04-17 10:44:15 AM  
RLupin 2011-04-17 08:42:16 AM
Ender's: Lady should not have taken legal action were she not ready to lose the case. Also, suing your daughter who is a lawyer and a judge? Fail.

This. It sounds to me like the abuse story might have been true, as well: at least the courts thought so. Don't file lawsuits if you're not prepared to lose, and if she really DID abuse her daughter, well, I can't say I'm sorry she's now broke and losing her home.



Bear in mind that in Britain, the burden of proof in a libel case is on the defendent (i.e. if you can't prove that you didn't libel the person suing you, you lose). The person alleging libel does not have to prove that it occurred. Since the daughter won the case, there is clearly a lot more here than what was reported in the paper.

There have been a number of discussions on the abuses British libel law over on "Butterflies and Wheels" and Badscience. It's been so easy to file a successful libel suit that Parliment (the British Government, not the Funk band) is in the process of revising their libel laws.
 
2011-04-17 10:51:39 AM  

reubendaley: "We moved into this home in 1961 and seven of my 11 children were born here. I spent all that time taking cleaning jobs to support them."

Well, let's be honest. She wasn't spending all of that time cleaning. Nudge nudge wink wink.

Any barristers here want to help me understand what happened? Mother sued daughter for libel and not only lost but had a judgment entered against her as well? Did the court feel that her claim was so outrageous or without merit that she should was ordered to pay daughter's legal fees?

/would be great to learn this daughter is the youngest of 11
//sympathy meter registering in the negatives - £555,087 = $905,235.88 US
///first to predict that house gonna burn before momma let dat betwettin' biatch get it
////i would hit that judge but not hard enough to knock off that fake hair


No. It's the publisher trying to recoup their defense costs.
 
2011-04-17 11:04:07 AM  
"sympathy meter registering in the negatives - £555,087 = $905,235.88 US"

The real problem here is the costs of the case being that much. What a bunch of shiat.
 
2011-04-17 11:04:14 AM  

SharkTrager: Fluorescent Testicle: sprky777: the article indicates the other 10 siblings sided with the mothers' story.
That doesn't necessarily mean anything - my siblings will swear up and down that my dad was a good father who never laid a finger on anybody, but in reality, he was a violent bastard who left me with permanent disabilities.
Yup. And lots of families will discuss it privately, or with just a couple of family members present, but in public conversation it never happened.


It's common for people who come out of abusive families to take one side or the other---it's sort of how the family was run in the first place, with an "Us vs. Them" mentality. Which side the kid takes depends on how much of the family's dysfunction they take on. If they become as crazy as the parent, they take the parent's side. If they overcome it, they have other views. If they're trying to please everybody, they change their story depending on which family member they're talking to. And their views can change over the years too, with any further interaction with the family.

I think this lady should have moved on, since she's obviously done well in life, instead of writing a book about it. Living well is the best revenge. Instead she got--what? Lots more interaction with a mother she wants nothing to do with, lots of publicity, and lots of memories of her terrible childhood. Let it go. Go see a shrink, you can afford it. Find some other way to exorcise your past.

and what does she think an abusive parent is going to do when you call them out publicly like that? That's right, they're going to come after you. Have fun. And she did.
 
2011-04-17 11:04:58 AM  
SAD?

Inigo... Inigo on set please...
 
2011-04-17 11:34:01 AM  
As someone reared by a verbally abusive mother, who to this day (I'm 54) calls me a biatch, I'm really getting a kick out of this article.

//words can hit harder than a fist
//not whining, just sayin'
 
2011-04-17 12:04:00 PM  
I grew up in a very abusive home with my sister and extremely abusive mom. My mom blamed me for my father's heart attack and death (I was ONE when he died...). She tossed me down concrete stairs, chased after me with broken glass, etc. I talk to her only a few times a year, since she started getting mental health treatment a few years ago. If she ever tried to sue me, I would enjoy the hell out of counter suing.
ZERO sympathy for abusive parents. I hope that woman loses her house, and ends up a 2$ crackwhore.
 
2011-04-17 12:11:59 PM  
All the other children still siding with the mother makes me sincerely doubt the facts as presented. And now back to your internet outrage.
 
2011-04-17 12:21:54 PM  

Twaddle Pants: As someone reared by a verbally abusive mother, who to this day (I'm 54) calls me a biatch, I'm really getting a kick out of this article.
//words can hit harder than a fist
//not whining, just sayin'


Why do you talk to her? I've tossed more people than I have friends, at this point. You try to use and abuse me--GTFO.
 
2011-04-17 12:30:52 PM  

jgk3: Bear in mind that in Britain, the burden of proof in a libel case is on the defendent (i.e. if you can't prove that you didn't libel the person suing you, you lose). The person alleging libel does not have to prove that it occurred. Since the daughter won the case, there is clearly a lot more here than what was reported in the paper.


I was going to say, knowing what I know about the way libel works in England, and knowing that in abusive situations the abuser sometimes targets one child while the rest are left alone, I'm willing to believe this women. Siblings can and will lie about this stuff.

I'm lucky enough that my brother and I both agree about what happened but we can't talk because it's really the only thing we have in common.
 
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