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2011-04-16 11:12:40 AM  

hray: seriously - wtf is the issue? The only thing that pisses me off about this is that often times the recipes I'd made didn't look like they showed in the magazine, and I wondered wtf I did wrong. Maybe I didn't - it was just a different image. It's not like they force-fed you meat via your eyeballs.


/vegan


//think this blogger needs to get a life


1 out of 3 ain't bad.
/keep on being awesome with common sense
//off to blog and whine on how my sausage, egg and cheese BK croissant didn't look like the picture in the window
 
2011-04-16 11:19:23 AM  
Vegans are like young potheads. Both try very hard to convince others of the righteousness of their path, and both wind up making people despise their respective groups.

Want to convince people not to eat meat? Stop being so obnoxious.
 
2011-04-16 11:25:11 AM  
Until animals become psychologically complex enough to recognize our legal system, it's only fair to treat them the way they treat each other.
 
2011-04-16 11:34:13 AM  

NationwideClyde: Until animals become psychologically complex enough to recognize our legal system, it's only fair to treat them the way they treat each other.


Girl: I like animals.

Death: Uh huh.

Girl: 'cause they're like people, just, little furry people.

Death: Yeah, um, hey! You ever go on the internet? They got some cool stuff there on that internet.

Girl: Oh yeah. I bought these shoes from a company on the internet, because they don't test on animals.

Death: wow. [big sigh]

Girl: You know, animals never have war. War, is an invention of mankind.

Death: What the hell are you talking about? Animals fight all the time.

Girl: Not with nuclear arms. You can't hug your children with nuclear arms.

Death: [stares at her][touches her arm]

Girl: [falls down dead in her soup]

Death: Check please.
 
2011-04-16 11:40:11 AM  

rustybender: It is people like this blogger that continue to make it publicly acceptable to openly mock Vegans. Keep up the good work!

I've always found the endless Vegan quest to create vegan versions of meat dishes rather laughable. If meat is so disgusting, why do you spend so much time trying to recreate it in your cooking? Oh that's right, meat is tasty!


They don't eat meat for ethical reasons, not because they want to deprive themselves of the flavor for whatever reason. It totally makes sense for them to find/create things that taste like meat without having to kill an animal.
 
2011-04-16 11:49:09 AM  

hray: after reading the comments, I can't figure out why no one has mentioned this:


animals have nerve endings, can experience pain. ignore the argument that they experience emotion, etc. Go for the basics - have nerve endings can experience pain

humans are the advanced species, and as such in nature it is perfectly normal to expect higher species to eat lower species

however, as higher species, we have an obligation to treat the thing that is giving it's life so that we can continue to live with some amount of respect - therefore do not cause it intense suffering before eating


This is the reason why I'm vegan. I don't think eating meat is wrong, I think the way that we raise animals for meat is really horrible, and cruel. The American Indians had a good philosophy - you kill an animal so you can eat it & survive, you say a small thank you prayer to the animal. That seems pretty reasonable.


Too bad all the methods they used for killing those animals were excruciatingly painful.
 
2011-04-16 11:52:31 AM  

hitchking: 1. Animals are not as psychologically complex as humans, but they can experience some emotions: including pleasure and suffering.


citation needed.

Just because you can't talk to a Mexican doesn't mean they are not your equal or superior. (If you speak Spanish, make it a someone you CAN'T speak with.) But the language barrier if you can't speak to them would all but sink any attempts and in depth psychology.

How is it that you assume to be able to communicate with even a crow, something far more alien than a foreigner, well enough to break down it's psychology accurately?

Any good dog owner will automatically assume animals to be the equal of humans in most things. This is obvious if you live with such a companion long enough to learn to communicate with them. Scientists tend to be dense and short term when trying to get published. I mean farkin' Pavlov, 3rd biggest asshole of the 1900's after Stalin and Hitler, actually cut open his dogs' jowls and implanted a collection jar in their salivary glands for his bell experiment. Image how well your communication would go with a stranger if you just mutilated them straight off the bat. I bet you'd find they were of subhuman emotional complexity also and only capable of displaying aggression or fear.
 
2011-04-16 12:03:05 PM  
First world problems (new window)

/that is all
 
2011-04-16 12:15:04 PM  

Arcturus72: Vegetarian - Old indian word for "Bad hunter".

Seriously though, (ok, maybe not) these people are getting in a tizzy about the photos?

Get a life veg-heads... *facepalm*


First off, I take your would-be insult as a compliment. I am PROUD to be a veg-head, just as much as you are proud to be a meatwad, lol

And secondly put yourself in our shoes (I am a Vegan): How would YOU like it if that nice, juicy hamburger you see and THINK you are getting at your favorite fast-food place was actually a picture of a VEGAN BURGER all along? You would be pretty ticked too.

But honestly, my undies are not in a wad over this because I cook the stuff myself and know exactly what I'M putting into it.

When it comes down to it, it's an insult to a Vegan who's just trying to eat well without eating living (now dead) beings.
 
PJ-
2011-04-16 12:22:28 PM  

hitchking: Damian: hitchking: I wish I had the strength to give up meat. Obviously, anyone with half a brain and a tenth of a heart can see that it's morally outrageous that we force, say, pigs (who are significantly more intelligent than dogs) to live their lives in a cage so small that they can't turn around. Pigs have a strong instinct to cuddle their young, but pigs grown for meat can't do so, because we keep them in cages where their piglets can suckle for milk, but the mother can't hold the piglets in her arms. She'll just use her hooves to try to scrape towards them, and she'll oink loudly, but she'll never reach her own offspring because we put (literally) prison bars between her and them.

I can't tell whether you're serious or not. Either way, it pushes my chuckle button.

Well, it's tough for a suspected troll to convince someone that they're not a troll. But, speaking honestly, I'm not a troll. Let me be clear. I think:

1. Animals are not as psychologically complex as humans, but they can experience some emotions: including pleasure and suffering.

2. The meat industry causes an enormous amount of suffering to animals.

3. The pleasure that humans get from eating meat (and trust me, I get a LOT), does not justify the amount of suffering that is caused by the practice.

So I think it is morally wrong to eat meat. I think that follows logically from the above points. If you disagree with any of the above points, or if you disagree with the conclusion I have drawn from them, please tell me exactly what pushes your chuckle button.

I should be clear, though: I do eat meat. I'm cutting back, but it's hard as shiat.


The meat does not taste as delicious if there is no suffering involved.
 
2011-04-16 12:35:37 PM  

Cast: Vegans are like young potheads. Both try very hard to convince others of the righteousness of their path, and both wind up making people despise their respective groups.

Want to convince people not to eat meat? Stop being so obnoxious.


*eye roll* Not ALL of us are obnoxious. Just like any OTHER group out there, you DO have people like that and frankly we hate them too, lol.

And while I am at it, allow me to dispel a few other myths about us:

-Not all of us are members of PETA. Frankly, I can't stand PETA. They are a bunch of hypocrites (and the "Penn&Teller bullshiat" episode kinda ruined them for me, lol)

-Not all of us are skinny, white, pasty, biatches. I'm fat, and there are a few non-wimpy Vegans who could probably kick your ass a few times over, thank you very much.

-Not all of us eat boring salad food, tofu, and fake meat. We DO know how to read and there are a TON of Vegan cookbooks with recipes that could EASILY fool a meat-eater.

-Yes we get enough protein from MANY non-animal sources

-Yes, we are healthy. You would be amazed at what a Vegan multi-vitamin can do

-Yes there is such thing as Vegan Junk Food, again, not all of us are skinny :p

-It's not as hard as it looks to be a Vegan you know. Being a Vegan is basically two things: A). you don't eat/wear/use anything with a face/living being B). You become an obessive label-reader, which is probably a good idea even for the meat-eaters out there.

I HOPE my points educate a few of you. Allow me to sum it up:

Stop hatin' on Vegans! We are not all salad-eating-pasty-PETA loving-wimps. We are just like you, cept we choose not to consume living beings. We won't get our panties in wad if you eat meat. It's your choice, even if we think you are nuts. And get to know your local Vegan. You will find that we are a pretty chill group of folks (but don't be TOO shocked if that Apple Fritter we offered you is in fact Vegan...I baked a batch of them and managed to shock 30 people when I mentioned they were Vegan).
 
2011-04-16 01:01:14 PM  

mafiageek1980: Cast: Vegans are like young potheads. Both try very hard to convince others of the righteousness of their path, and both wind up making people despise their respective groups.

Want to convince people not to eat meat? Stop being so obnoxious.

*eye roll* Not ALL of us are obnoxious. Just like any OTHER group out there, you DO have people like that and frankly we hate them too, lol.

And while I am at it, allow me to dispel a few other myths about us:

-Not all of us are members of PETA. Frankly, I can't stand PETA. They are a bunch of hypocrites (and the "Penn&Teller bullshiat" episode kinda ruined them for me, lol)

-Not all of us are skinny, white, pasty, biatches. I'm fat, and there are a few non-wimpy Vegans who could probably kick your ass a few times over, thank you very much.

-Not all of us eat boring salad food, tofu, and fake meat. We DO know how to read and there are a TON of Vegan cookbooks with recipes that could EASILY fool a meat-eater.

-Yes we get enough protein from MANY non-animal sources

-Yes, we are healthy. You would be amazed at what a Vegan multi-vitamin can do

-Yes there is such thing as Vegan Junk Food, again, not all of us are skinny :p

-It's not as hard as it looks to be a Vegan you know. Being a Vegan is basically two things: A). you don't eat/wear/use anything with a face/living being B). You become an obessive label-reader, which is probably a good idea even for the meat-eaters out there.

I HOPE my points educate a few of you. Allow me to sum it up:

Stop hatin' on Vegans! We are not all salad-eating-pasty-PETA loving-wimps. We are just like you, cept we choose not to consume living beings. We won't get our panties in wad if you eat meat. It's your choice, even if we think you are nuts. And get to know your local Vegan. You will find that we are a pretty chill group of folks (but don't be TOO shocked if that Apple Fritter we offered you is in fact Vegan...I baked a batch of them and managed to shock 30 people when I mentioned they were Vegan).


I don't eat living beings either. my meat is very much dead before consumption.

vegans are terrible human beings. won't somebody think of the veggies!
/plants have feelings too
//there are willows weeping around the world for the death of their fellow plants :'(
 
2011-04-16 01:05:49 PM  

frizzantik: Mock26: Grilling a living cow is just downright cruel.

wut bout lobsters?


The death is near instantaneous and given that their nervous system is still quite primitive they do not feel any pain before they die. And if you are still worried you can "brain them" with a knife.
 
2011-04-16 01:09:03 PM  

frizzantik: log_jammin: frizzantik: and.... do i really have to explain it, or are you just trollin?

yeah you need to explain it, because suffering and dieing are not interchangeable words and one does not necessarily follow the other.

i think having your life taken must be the ultimate form of suffering.

yes it's better than making them suffer their entire life just to be killed, but in the end, the animal still ends up dead


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2011-04-16 01:14:23 PM  

frizzantik: i'd like to see you tear through an animals uncooked skin with those teeth

all the evolution arguements in general are a joke considering almost no one eats uncooked meat.. the meat has to be cooked for it to be soft enough to eat.

our "claws" are equally worthless for tearing and killing animals. it's only with the aide of tools can we bring down all but the smallest prey

so yeah, tools and fire are needed for most people to eat meat. not sure what Darwin would have to say about that


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Just because most people do not eat uncooked meat does NOT mean that we HAVE to eat cooked meat. Correlation does not imply causation.
 
2011-04-16 01:17:03 PM  

frizzantik: hitchking: It actually is a great counter-example to people who say that "people are made to eat meat!" or whatever.

yep.. humans are omnivores.. we are excellent adapters.. some societies like those in Asia eat pure vegetarian diets, and some like the Innuit in Alaska survived almost purely on seal meat and blood.

The human body can survive on anything practically. In modern society today, eating animals is a choice. People choose to eat meat because they enjoy its taste, not for any biological or evolutionary reason.

Some people don't have a problem with that.. everyone is different. I didn't really have a moral problem with it until long after I became a vegetarian.. it was actually something unexpected when I started to feel morally opposed to killing and eating animals. It's still not something I really even mention except to other veggies and here in fark threads though ;)


If you feel morally opposed to killing and eating animals then do not kill or eat animals. It really is that simple. However, do not presume that you are somehow better than people who do eat meat and stop trying to shove your beliefs down their throats.
 
2011-04-16 01:26:19 PM  
veganmaven.com

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE
 
2011-04-16 01:28:22 PM  

hitchking: I really don't understand the vegan hate.

I wish I had the strength to give up meat. Obviously, anyone with half a brain and a tenth of a heart can see that it's morally outrageous that we force, say, pigs (who are significantly more intelligent than dogs) to live their lives in a cage so small that they can't turn around. Pigs have a strong instinct to cuddle their young, but pigs grown for meat can't do so, because we keep them in cages where their piglets can suckle for milk, but the mother can't hold the piglets in her arms. She'll just use her hooves to try to scrape towards them, and she'll oink loudly, but she'll never reach her own offspring because we put (literally) prison bars between her and them.

It's hideous what we do to these animals. I've cut back on meat, I try to go a couple of days a week without any at all. But I don't hate vegans. I admire them.


Listen, pigs will eat anything. They will eat human babies. They will eat their own offspring. They don't care. Show me a chicken would notice any difference between a chicken coop and being free in the world and I'll shiat a brick. You know why? Because they are animals. They are stupid. And tasty.
 
2011-04-16 01:28:25 PM  

SideOfBacon: I don't eat living beings either.


Never had an oyster? You're missing out.
 
2011-04-16 01:34:59 PM  

horsepucker: hitchking: But that doesn't mean it's a moral thing to do.

Boo farking hoo hippy. 10 threads down idiot libs like yourself are arguing about the right to murder children for their own convenience.

Take your goddamn skewed morality and shove it right up your ass. You don't care abut humans but you want to pretend to care about animals?


Pro-Choice and pro eating tasty tasty animals. I like my steak like I like my fetuses, pulled off the grill too soon.
 
2011-04-16 01:40:09 PM  
As a new vegan, there's a few things I understand a lot more now.

1) It's much easier nowadays to have a balanced diet without meat, diary or eggs.

2) Non-vegan ingredients are in many many things, it's very difficult to be 100% vegan. Do the best you can.

3) Being militant about it doesn't help get the message out.

4) Respect other people, and don't assume people can become vegan as easily as you have.

/former ice cream and gummy bear addict--still miss them.
 
2011-04-16 01:46:15 PM  

jumpin: 3) Being militant about it doesn't help get the message out.

4) Respect other people, and don't assume people can become vegan as easily as you have.


Avoid having a "message" in the first place, and everybody's happy.
 
2011-04-16 02:00:40 PM  

thamike: jumpin: 3) Being militant about it doesn't help get the message out.

4) Respect other people, and don't assume people can become vegan as easily as you have.

Avoid having a "message" in the first place, and everybody's happy.


Well... why not? I'm not a vegan, but I don't see why it's offensive to discuss the ethics of eating meat at the proper time and place.

I honestly don't get why this issue provokes such an outrageous knee-jerk reaction. With the exception of a post or two, I don't think I could have been any more civil in this thread. But some people act as though I walked up and slapped a cheeseburger out of their hand.
 
2011-04-16 02:02:55 PM  

jumpin: As a new vegan, there's a few things I understand a lot more now.

1) It's much easier nowadays to have a balanced diet without meat, diary or eggs.

2) Non-vegan ingredients are in many many things, it's very difficult to be 100% vegan. Do the best you can.

3) Being militant about it doesn't help get the message out.

4) Respect other people, and don't assume people can become vegan as easily as you have.

/former ice cream and gummy bear addict--still miss them.


Not sure i know of what you can sub for the gummy bears, but So Delicious has a really kick-ass ice cream we can eat, and you wouldn't even know it was Vegan. Warning, it's farking expensive, but if you have the craving, it works to cure it, lol. Good luck on your journey. May 14th will be my 1st year vegan-versary.
 
2011-04-16 02:03:46 PM  
More proof that vegans are total douchebags...
 
2011-04-16 02:04:53 PM  

hitchking: thamike: jumpin: 3) Being militant about it doesn't help get the message out.

4) Respect other people, and don't assume people can become vegan as easily as you have.

Avoid having a "message" in the first place, and everybody's happy.

Well... why not? I'm not a vegan, but I don't see why it's offensive to discuss the ethics of eating meat at the proper time and place.

I honestly don't get why this issue provokes such an outrageous knee-jerk reaction. With the exception of a post or two, I don't think I could have been any more civil in this thread. But some people act as though I walked up and slapped a cheeseburger out of their hand.


Because I have had to endure several meals where someone was making retching noises while I'm sitting there eating my cheeseburger. Then they come up and ask me how I can do that knowing I'm eating someone's mother or father. Easy, ketchup.
 
2011-04-16 02:10:27 PM  

hitchking: I honestly don't get why this issue provokes such an outrageous knee-jerk reaction. With the exception of a post or two, I don't think I could have been any more civil in this thread. But some people act as though I walked up and slapped a cheeseburger out of their hand.


Maybe they sense bullsh*t.
 
2011-04-16 02:14:13 PM  

nubzers: hitchking: thamike: jumpin: 3) Being militant about it doesn't help get the message out.

4) Respect other people, and don't assume people can become vegan as easily as you have.

Avoid having a "message" in the first place, and everybody's happy.

Well... why not? I'm not a vegan, but I don't see why it's offensive to discuss the ethics of eating meat at the proper time and place.

I honestly don't get why this issue provokes such an outrageous knee-jerk reaction. With the exception of a post or two, I don't think I could have been any more civil in this thread. But some people act as though I walked up and slapped a cheeseburger out of their hand.

Because I have had to endure several meals where someone was making retching noises while I'm sitting there eating my cheeseburger. Then they come up and ask me how I can do that knowing I'm eating someone's mother or father. Easy, ketchup.


Yeah, I keep hearing these stories, but I've never once encountered anything even remotely like it. A couple of my friends are vegetarians, I've had coworkers who were vegetarian, etc, and I literally have never heard a condescending word from any of them.

I don't deny that there are some like that out there, but if there's this epidemic of asshole vegetarians, then I've just gotten really lucky.
 
2011-04-16 02:16:06 PM  

SideOfBacon: mafiageek1980: Cast: Vegans are like young potheads. Both try very hard to convince others of the righteousness of their path, and both wind up making people despise their respective groups.

Want to convince people not to eat meat? Stop being so obnoxious.

*eye roll* Not ALL of us are obnoxious. Just like any OTHER group out there, you DO have people like that and frankly we hate them too, lol.

And while I am at it, allow me to dispel a few other myths about us:

-Not all of us are members of PETA. Frankly, I can't stand PETA. They are a bunch of hypocrites (and the "Penn&Teller bullshiat" episode kinda ruined them for me, lol)

-Not all of us are skinny, white, pasty, biatches. I'm fat, and there are a few non-wimpy Vegans who could probably kick your ass a few times over, thank you very much.

-Not all of us eat boring salad food, tofu, and fake meat. We DO know how to read and there are a TON of Vegan cookbooks with recipes that could EASILY fool a meat-eater.

-Yes we get enough protein from MANY non-animal sources

-Yes, we are healthy. You would be amazed at what a Vegan multi-vitamin can do

-Yes there is such thing as Vegan Junk Food, again, not all of us are skinny :p

-It's not as hard as it looks to be a Vegan you know. Being a Vegan is basically two things: A). you don't eat/wear/use anything with a face/living being B). You become an obessive label-reader, which is probably a good idea even for the meat-eaters out there.

I HOPE my points educate a few of you. Allow me to sum it up:

Stop hatin' on Vegans! We are not all salad-eating-pasty-PETA loving-wimps. We are just like you, cept we choose not to consume living beings. We won't get our panties in wad if you eat meat. It's your choice, even if we think you are nuts. And get to know your local Vegan. You will find that we are a pretty chill group of folks (but don't be TOO shocked if that Apple Fritter we offered you is in fact Vegan...I baked a batch of them and managed to shock 30 people when I mentioned they were Vegan).

I don't eat living beings either. my meat is very much dead before consumption.

vegans are terrible human beings. won't somebody think of the veggies!
/plants have feelings too
//there are willows weeping around the world for the death of their fellow plants :'(


Your meat was once alive...a living being. In my eyes, meat eaters are cannibals, but I still love yall. Anyway, a joke in the Vegan community is that we eat plants because we HATE them, lol.
 
2011-04-16 02:17:47 PM  

mafiageek1980: In my eyes, meat eaters are cannibals


Look up "cannibal."
 
2011-04-16 02:19:40 PM  

nubzers: hitchking: thamike: jumpin: 3) Being militant about it doesn't help get the message out.

4) Respect other people, and don't assume people can become vegan as easily as you have.

Avoid having a "message" in the first place, and everybody's happy.

Well... why not? I'm not a vegan, but I don't see why it's offensive to discuss the ethics of eating meat at the proper time and place.

I honestly don't get why this issue provokes such an outrageous knee-jerk reaction. With the exception of a post or two, I don't think I could have been any more civil in this thread. But some people act as though I walked up and slapped a cheeseburger out of their hand.

Because I have had to endure several meals where someone was making retching noises while I'm sitting there eating my cheeseburger. Then they come up and ask me how I can do that knowing I'm eating someone's mother or father. Easy, ketchup.


Please note that that person is a total douchebag for doing that to you and doesn't speak for all Vegans.
 
2011-04-16 02:21:03 PM  

thamike: mafiageek1980: In my eyes, meat eaters are cannibals

Look up "cannibal."


animals are people too, even if they don't have our brain power
 
2011-04-16 02:22:10 PM  

mafiageek1980: thamike: mafiageek1980: In my eyes, meat eaters are cannibals

Look up "cannibal."

animals are people too, even if they don't have our brain power


If only you had said that earlier in the thread you might have gotten some bites.
 
2011-04-16 02:22:50 PM  

mafiageek1980: animals are people too


No, no, it's people are animals. Other species can't be people. That just doesn't make any sense. That would imply that all animals are the same kind of animal.
 
2011-04-16 02:23:32 PM  

monkeyman3875: If only you had said that earlier in the thread you might have gotten some bites.


Shh. Don't spoil it.
 
2011-04-16 02:24:33 PM  

mafiageek1980: nubzers: hitchking: thamike: jumpin: 3) Being militant about it doesn't help get the message out.

4) Respect other people, and don't assume people can become vegan as easily as you have.

Avoid having a "message" in the first place, and everybody's happy.

Well... why not? I'm not a vegan, but I don't see why it's offensive to discuss the ethics of eating meat at the proper time and place.

I honestly don't get why this issue provokes such an outrageous knee-jerk reaction. With the exception of a post or two, I don't think I could have been any more civil in this thread. But some people act as though I walked up and slapped a cheeseburger out of their hand.

Because I have had to endure several meals where someone was making retching noises while I'm sitting there eating my cheeseburger. Then they come up and ask me how I can do that knowing I'm eating someone's mother or father. Easy, ketchup.

Please note that that person is a total douchebag for doing that to you and doesn't speak for all Vegans.


Yes, I understand that. But its the very loud minority that kills it for the rest. And that story stems from one of my friends dating a vegan who thought it would be cute to do that. I told her we are not all so privileged to have a daddy who will bankroll our every insane whim so you go right on eating over priced crap and I'll eat what I can afford.
 
2011-04-16 02:27:07 PM  

nubzers: I'll eat what I can afford.


You only eat cheeseburgers for economic reasons?
 
2011-04-16 02:30:18 PM  

nubzers: mafiageek1980: nubzers: hitchking: thamike: jumpin: 3) Being militant about it doesn't help get the message out.

4) Respect other people, and don't assume people can become vegan as easily as you have.

Avoid having a "message" in the first place, and everybody's happy.

Well... why not? I'm not a vegan, but I don't see why it's offensive to discuss the ethics of eating meat at the proper time and place.

I honestly don't get why this issue provokes such an outrageous knee-jerk reaction. With the exception of a post or two, I don't think I could have been any more civil in this thread. But some people act as though I walked up and slapped a cheeseburger out of their hand.

Because I have had to endure several meals where someone was making retching noises while I'm sitting there eating my cheeseburger. Then they come up and ask me how I can do that knowing I'm eating someone's mother or father. Easy, ketchup.

Please note that that person is a total douchebag for doing that to you and doesn't speak for all Vegans.

Yes, I understand that. But its the very loud minority that kills it for the rest. And that story stems from one of my friends dating a vegan who thought it would be cute to do that. I told her we are not all so privileged to have a daddy who will bankroll our every insane whim so you go right on eating over priced crap and I'll eat what I can afford.


Hmmm... I hadn't really considered the financial aspect of it. Not because I have a lot of money, but because I haven't found not eating meat to be more expensive. I did a quick google, and found this article (new window) about it. I don't know about you, but the most expensive items in my grocery bag are steaks.
 
2011-04-16 02:37:37 PM  
I rolled my eyes so hard after reading that, they nearly fell out of my head! Geez...
 
2011-04-16 02:49:30 PM  
I'm broke as hell and still can be vegan, lol
 
2011-04-16 02:55:16 PM  

hitchking:

Hmmm... I hadn't really considered the financial aspect of it. Not because I have a lot of money, but because I haven't found not eating meat to be more expensive. I did a quick google, and found this article (new window) about it. I don't know about you, but the most expensive items in my grocery bag are steaks.


Steaks are the best tasting items in my grocery bag!
 
2011-04-16 02:57:15 PM  

mafiageek1980: I'm broke as hell and still can be vegan, lol


I am broke as hell and still can be omnivore.
 
2011-04-16 03:00:34 PM  

thamike: jumpin: 3) Being militant about it doesn't help get the message out.

4) Respect other people, and don't assume people can become vegan as easily as you have.

Avoid having a "message" in the first place, and everybody's happy.


Reminds me

5) Not eating meat, dairy or eggs makes YOU the outsider, therefore you will be treated as such.
 
2011-04-16 03:05:37 PM  

mafiageek1980: Arcturus72: Vegetarian - Old indian word for "Bad hunter".

Seriously though, (ok, maybe not) these people are getting in a tizzy about the photos?

Get a life veg-heads... *facepalm*

First off, I take your would-be insult as a compliment. I am PROUD to be a veg-head, just as much as you are proud to be a meatwad, lol

And secondly put yourself in our shoes (I am a Vegan): How would YOU like it if that nice, juicy hamburger you see and THINK you are getting at your favorite fast-food place was actually a picture of a VEGAN BURGER all along? You would be pretty ticked too.

But honestly, my undies are not in a wad over this because I cook the stuff myself and know exactly what I'M putting into it.

When it comes down to it, it's an insult to a Vegan who's just trying to eat well without eating living (now dead) beings.


No, actually I wouldn't. Worst case I would take my business elsewhere, since the power of the dollar is more than our words.

And another reason I wouldn't care? If I liked it and it was good, who gives a fark what it was I actually ate. Omnivores like myself (Not a "meatwad", tyvm) actually enjoy all foods, no matter the ingredients, styles, or customs. I enjoy all the food types and styles that I have come across so far, from sushi to calamari, pizza to steaks and last time I checked, I have yet to eat anything alive.

My father will send an order of fries back if they are too cold, or will demand his money back if he finds a hair in his meal (he's bald)... Myself? If I can eat it, I don't care if I asked for bloody and rare and it comes to me well done.

I have gone without food at times enough to enjoy the meals I get to the fullest.

Oh and as to another point you made several times in this thread: You claim to be fat yet still in shape? (Cue the Inigo Montoya jpg) It seems that EVERY Vegan I meet claims this. I would think that eating healthier would lead to weight loss... Oh wait, that would require getting off the couch for a change.
 
2011-04-16 03:12:26 PM  

Arcturus72: mafiageek1980: Arcturus72: Vegetarian - Old indian word for "Bad hunter".

Seriously though, (ok, maybe not) these people are getting in a tizzy about the photos?

Get a life veg-heads... *facepalm*

First off, I take your would-be insult as a compliment. I am PROUD to be a veg-head, just as much as you are proud to be a meatwad, lol

And secondly put yourself in our shoes (I am a Vegan): How would YOU like it if that nice, juicy hamburger you see and THINK you are getting at your favorite fast-food place was actually a picture of a VEGAN BURGER all along? You would be pretty ticked too.

But honestly, my undies are not in a wad over this because I cook the stuff myself and know exactly what I'M putting into it.

When it comes down to it, it's an insult to a Vegan who's just trying to eat well without eating living (now dead) beings.

No, actually I wouldn't. Worst case I would take my business elsewhere, since the power of the dollar is more than our words.

And another reason I wouldn't care? If I liked it and it was good, who gives a fark what it was I actually ate. Omnivores like myself (Not a "meatwad", tyvm) actually enjoy all foods, no matter the ingredients, styles, or customs. I enjoy all the food types and styles that I have come across so far, from sushi to calamari, pizza to steaks and last time I checked, I have yet to eat anything alive.

My father will send an order of fries back if they are too cold, or will demand his money back if he finds a hair in his meal (he's bald)... Myself? If I can eat it, I don't care if I asked for bloody and rare and it comes to me well done.

I have gone without food at times enough to enjoy the meals I get to the fullest.

Oh and as to another point you made several times in this thread: You claim to be fat yet still in shape? (Cue the Inigo Montoya jpg) It seems that EVERY Vegan I meet claims this. I would think that eating healthier would lead to weight loss... Oh wait, that would require getting off the couch for a change.


Actually, vegetarians and vegans have lower BMIs and longer lifespans than people who eat meat.

Though my two closest friends who are vegetarians are kind of chubby, they're both thinner than me (and I eat meat).

I don't understand why you'd assume that vegans don't exercise, though. It seems like you're just ascribing to them a bunch of unrelated obnoxious personality traits.
 
2011-04-16 03:22:36 PM  

Arcturus72: No, actually I wouldn't.


I wouldn't either. I've had plenty of vegan dishes that I've enjoyed. That's the difference between some vegans and meat eaters. For some vegans, their choice is based on the fact that they are personally offended by meat. Omnivores aren't omnivores because they are personally offended by a lack of meat.
 
2011-04-16 03:24:43 PM  

mafiageek1980: And secondly put yourself in our shoes (I am a Vegan): How would YOU like it if that nice, juicy hamburger you see and THINK you are getting at your favorite fast-food place was actually a picture of a VEGAN BURGER all along? You would be pretty ticked too.


Nope. I would not care in the least bit. I would not care in the least bit if it was a picture of a steak burger, a turkey burger, a salmon burger, or a bean burger. Just because you might get your panties wadded up in a bunch does not mean that everyone else has to or will.
 
2011-04-16 03:27:57 PM  

Arcturus72: And another reason I wouldn't care? If I liked it and it was good, who gives a fark what it was I actually ate. Omnivores like myself (Not a "meatwad", tyvm) actually enjoy all foods, no matter the ingredients, styles, or customs. I enjoy all the food types and styles that I have come across so far, from sushi to calamari, pizza to steaks and last time I checked, I have yet to eat anything alive.


+1. I enjoy being able to eat just about anything that I want. In fact, I have eaten at a vegan restaurant and I enjoyed the mean. Not only that, but about 10% of my meals are vegetarian (and some weeks depending on my mood it might be as high as 80%). I have no problem giving up meat and meat products for a meal or for a short while, but I will always return back to meat!
 
2011-04-16 03:43:17 PM  

hitchking: I honestly don't get why this issue provokes such an outrageous knee-jerk reaction. With the exception of a post or two, I don't think I could have been any more civil in this thread. But some people act as though I walked up and slapped a cheeseburger out of their hand.


Because, almost without exception, vegans are total assholes...
 
2011-04-16 03:47:50 PM  

LordZorch: hitchking: I honestly don't get why this issue provokes such an outrageous knee-jerk reaction. With the exception of a post or two, I don't think I could have been any more civil in this thread. But some people act as though I walked up and slapped a cheeseburger out of their hand.

Because, almost without exception, vegans are total assholes...


This doesn't accord with my experience at all. I can honestly say I've never met a vegan with anything approaching this attitude.

Every time it comes up in a thread, there's always a giant horde of people talking about how vegans and vegetarians are assholes and how they're shoving their lifestyle down other peoples' throats. But there never seem to be any vegans or vegetarians in those threads doing that.

In your profile, you have quite the screed against vegans and you end it by telling them to go eat a cheeseburger with an egg on top. I have never seen a vegetarian's profile that has a rant about meat eaters that ends by telling them to go eat a salad.

It just seems like a lot of this is projected onto vegans.
 
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