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2011-04-15 10:05:39 AM
Some were effected more than others.

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2011-04-15 10:07:57 AM

Wellon Dowd: Some were effected more than others.


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We're all done here....
 
2011-04-15 10:08:11 AM
There's a Bill Clinton joke here somewhere but I just can't put my finger on it....


Nice one Wellon Dowd
 
2011-04-15 10:12:11 AM
Dominicans are just as good...
 
2011-04-15 10:12:32 AM
To celebrate, I think I'll have a 45th Anniversary Padron tonight
 
2011-04-15 10:27:22 AM
A Monte Cristo sounds good tonight
 
2011-04-15 10:31:17 AM
Pssst! Hampton Arms Toros @ RiteAid. $5.79 for a hermetically sealed pack of 3. These are 2nds of a $25.00 cigar.

Serious as cancer.
 
2011-04-15 10:31:22 AM

YoungSwedishBlonde: Dominicans are just as good...


Or even better. That's what Rush L. said.
 
2011-04-15 10:31:37 AM
Kohibas aren't all that and a bag of chips but I wouldn't turn em down if offered. I once tried to sneak a box of em in from Singapore. Customs official spotted them right off, read me the riot act and said he could throw me in jail bla blah blah...I asked him if he liked cigars. He turned a wry smile and told me to get the hell out of there.....I'm sure that ahole smoked the whole box.
 
2011-04-15 10:34:11 AM

Wellon Dowd: Some were effected affected more than others.


FTFY.

I don't really have anything else to say.
 
2011-04-15 10:37:13 AM

bookman: Pssst! Hampton Arms Toros @ RiteAid. $5.79 for a hermetically sealed pack of 3. These are 2nds of a $25.00 cigar.

Serious as cancer.


A few years back you could get Perdomo2 seconds for about $25 a bundle at cigarbid, but then the site became popular and the price skyrocketed. I'll have to stop by RiteAide on the way home.
 
2011-04-15 10:37:46 AM
Came here to confirm the obvious--Cubans are WAY better than anything else. Had some nice ones in Toronto and Montreal.

But they're at least twice as expensive as they really should be.

Very good Dominicans or Nicaraguans are excellent for their quality-versus-cost balance.

/Wish I could afford to waste the money on crates of Cubans.
 
2011-04-15 10:40:45 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Kohibas aren't all that and a bag of chips but I wouldn't turn em down if offered. I once tried to sneak a box of em in from Singapore.


Kohibas huh? How's that Sorny television working out for you? Or your Martag washer and dryer?
 
2011-04-15 10:43:27 AM

Headso: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Kohibas aren't all that and a bag of chips but I wouldn't turn em down if offered. I once tried to sneak a box of em in from Singapore.

Kohibas huh? How's that Sorny television working out for you? Or your Martag washer and dryer?


Typo, I haven't had my coffee yet.
 
2011-04-15 10:47:44 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Headso: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Kohibas aren't all that and a bag of chips but I wouldn't turn em down if offered. I once tried to sneak a box of em in from Singapore.

Kohibas huh? How's that Sorny television working out for you? Or your Martag washer and dryer?

Typo, I haven't had my coffee yet.


heh, okay there chief.
 
2011-04-15 10:50:34 AM

Wellon Dowd: Some were effected more than others.



1) Affected.

2) Call me a perv, but I've always wondered what brand her used on her.
 
2011-04-15 10:52:25 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Kohibas aren't all that and a bag of chips but I wouldn't turn em down if offered. I once tried to sneak a box of em in from Singapore. Customs official spotted them right off, read me the riot act and said he could throw me in jail bla blah blah...I asked him if he liked cigars. He turned a wry smile and told me to get the hell out of there.....I'm sure that ahole smoked the whole box.



Throw you in jail for fake Cohibas?
 
2011-04-15 10:59:59 AM
Stogie porn time!

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2011-04-15 11:10:01 AM
I may be unpopular for this but, why is RJRPhillipMorrisUStobacco regarded as pure evil, yet everybody still creams their pants over Cigars, especially of the Caribbean variety? Is it still tobacco? Is it still a health hazard? Is it still a thinly veiled Freudian metaphor for homosexuality?

/Ex Smoker
//7 years smoke free on June 1st
///Feels Good Man
 
2011-04-15 11:12:57 AM
I came in to say the same thing as the good Captain.
Been smoke free for over a decade now.
 
2011-04-15 11:15:14 AM

CaptainCliche: Is it still a thinly veiled Freudian metaphor for homosexuality


Therapy ?

I like to suck both, but ..... pretty sure they are different.
 
2011-04-15 11:16:42 AM

CaptainCliche: I may be unpopular for this but, why is RJRPhillipMorrisUStobacco regarded as pure evil, yet everybody still creams their pants over Cigars, especially of the Caribbean variety? Is it still tobacco? Is it still a health hazard?


And what's up with people being all like "oh that Mad Dog 20/20 is gross" but everyone creams their pants over some 20 year scotch?
 
2011-04-15 11:18:46 AM

Slartibartfaster: CaptainCliche: Is it still a thinly veiled Freudian metaphor for homosexuality

Therapy ?

I like to suck both, but ..... pretty sure they are different.


I agree. One will give you mouth cancer, the other will give you fashion sense!
I keed -- mostly just trolling the cigar crowd with that one. My other two questions are valid, though.
 
2011-04-15 11:22:23 AM

CaptainCliche: I may be unpopular for this but, why is RJRPhillipMorrisUStobacco regarded as pure evil, yet everybody still creams their pants over Cigars, especially of the Caribbean variety?



1) Because cigars aren't addictive.

2) Cigar companies have never messed with the nicotene levels, or faced allegations that they added chemicals which made cigarettes more addictive.
 
2011-04-15 11:24:23 AM

Headso: CaptainCliche: I may be unpopular for this but, why is RJRPhillipMorrisUStobacco regarded as pure evil, yet everybody still creams their pants over Cigars, especially of the Caribbean variety? Is it still tobacco? Is it still a health hazard?

And what's up with people being all like "oh that Mad Dog 20/20 is gross" but everyone creams their pants over some 20 year scotch?


I assume you're trollin. But I'll bite anyway. My point was not that people say that US cigarettes are gross ,but love Cigars (which they do, but that is not my point). My point is that people consider US tobacco EVIL(rightly so) but give a free pass to cigars. A more apt quote would be "Oh man, MD:20/20 gave me cirrhosis, good thing I've got this 12 year old single malt scotch!"
 
2011-04-15 11:36:17 AM
Well it did in the US. It didn't in the civilised world.
 
2011-04-15 11:38:06 AM

CaptainCliche: I may be unpopular for this but, why is RJRPhillipMorrisUStobacco regarded as pure evil, yet everybody still creams their pants over Cigars, especially of the Caribbean variety? Is it still tobacco? Is it still a health hazard? Is it still a thinly veiled Freudian metaphor for homosexuality?

/Ex Smoker
//7 years smoke free on June 1st
///Feels Good Man


There's a fine line between indulgence and addiction. Altria and the others cross that line when they add chemicals to the tobacco to make it more potent. I would liken it to the difference between brewing beer and distilling liquor. They're different products, with different target consumers, different aesthetic and hedonistic ends and different sets of morality questions.
 
2011-04-15 11:40:52 AM

CaptainCliche: My point was not that people say that US cigarettes are gross ,but love Cigars (which they do, but that is not my point). My point is that people consider US tobacco EVIL(rightly so) but give a free pass to cigars.


Then don't bother responding to my post, respond to the dude two posts down who actually made an honest attempt at answering your question.
 
2011-04-15 12:03:25 PM
"They're different products, with different target consumers, different aesthetic and hedonistic ends and different sets of morality questions."

So, do you have withdrawal symptoms when you quit smoking cigar?
Seems like the same morality to me, and that's not even getting into the carcinogenic issue.
 
2011-04-15 12:09:16 PM
Before signing the order, JFK put in a massive order for Cuban cigars and filled a room-sized humidor in one of his houses.

/always wondered what happened to those cigars.
 
2011-04-15 12:09:24 PM

CaptainCliche: I agree. One will give you mouth cancer, the other will give you fashion sense!


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and a fresh new addition to my favorites list !!

// which intern did I leave my cigar in ?!?!? damnit, hate it when I forget
 
2011-04-15 12:10:34 PM

Headso: CaptainCliche: My point was not that people say that US cigarettes are gross ,but love Cigars (which they do, but that is not my point). My point is that people consider US tobacco EVIL(rightly so) but give a free pass to cigars.

Then don't bother responding to my post, respond to the dude two posts down who actually made an honest attempt at answering your question.


OK

The_Sponge: CaptainCliche: I may be unpopular for this but, why is RJRPhillipMorrisUStobacco regarded as pure evil, yet everybody still creams their pants over Cigars, especially of the Caribbean variety?


1) Because cigars aren't addictive.

2) Cigar companies have never messed with the nicotene levels, or faced allegations that they added chemicals which made cigarettes more addictive.


1) Because cigars aren't addictive.
Really? You're going with that? alright.
Cigarettes and other forms of tobacco-including cigars, pipe tobacco, snuff, and chewing tobacco-contain the addictive drug nicotine. Nicotine is readily absorbed into the bloodstream when a tobacco product is chewed, inhaled, or smoked.1


2) Cigar companies have never messed with the nicotene levels, or faced allegations that they added chemicals which made cigarettes more addictive.
Even so, they are still selling a product that has been proven to cause cancer and death. You're saying that they get a free pass simply because they did not resort to supervillian-esqe measures to manipulate addicts?

1:U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. (2010). Cigarettes and Other Tobacco Products - INFOfacts - NIDA. Retrieved from http://www.drugabuse.gov/infofacts/tobacco.html
 
2011-04-15 12:13:14 PM

YoungSwedishBlonde: Dominicans are just as good...


I'll take "things Americans tell themselves so they don't feel bad about smoking second-rate cigars" for $800, Alex.

(yeah, I love grapes...but that bunch just out of my reach are probably sour.)
 
2011-04-15 12:21:41 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Kohibas aren't all that and a bag of chips but I wouldn't turn em down if offered. I once tried to sneak a box of em in from Singapore. Customs official spotted them right off, read me the riot act and said he could throw me in jail bla blah blah...I asked him if he liked cigars. He turned a wry smile and told me to get the hell out of there.....I'm sure that ahole smoked the whole box.


If you think Kohibas are good, wait until you try Cohibas.
 
2011-04-15 12:36:36 PM
I have never found a Cuban cigar that I really really enjoyed. I have found some Dominicans that I really really enjoy. The Cubans all had an overly oily smoke, just not good in my opinion.
 
2011-04-15 12:52:02 PM

The_Sponge: 1) Because cigars aren't addictive.


Radar: Aren't those things addictive?
Col. Potter: Nah, I've been smoking 2 a day for 20 years, never picked up the habit.

As for Cuban cigars, I've only ever had one that I can remember and it was meh. But then I'm not real big on cigars, never really have been. 60 years of embargo and Cuba is still there, folks. It's also not the cold war anymore. Don't you think it's about time to
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2011-04-15 01:29:03 PM

nekom: The_Sponge: 1) Because cigars aren't addictive.

Radar: Aren't those things addictive?
Col. Potter: Nah, I've been smoking 2 a day for 20 years, never picked up the habit.

As for Cuban cigars, I've only ever had one that I can remember and it was meh. But then I'm not real big on cigars, never really have been. 60 years of embargo and Cuba is still there, folks. It's also not the cold war anymore. Don't you think it's about time to

lift embargo



You've been waiting a long time to do that... haven't you.

I like it.
 
2011-04-15 01:31:48 PM

KkrrRRZZZZ: "They're different products, with different target consumers, different aesthetic and hedonistic ends and different sets of morality questions."

So, do you have withdrawal symptoms when you quit smoking cigar?
Seems like the same morality to me, and that's not even getting into the carcinogenic issue.


Just rattling off a few reasons here:

1) People don't use cigars as crutches like they do with cigarettes. You can't take a quick smoke break with a cigar so as a means of a quick fix, it's not very good and because of that it isn't very habit forming.

2) I can't speak to everyone's addiction/withdrawal, but my buddy had a really hard time quitting smoking whereas I went from 1-2 cigars a day, to one or two cigars a month, with no symptoms or feeling of withdrawal.

3) Cigars aren't about nicotine, they're about flavor. Not that I'm saying people don't smoke purely for the nicotine but being apart of a few large cigar communities, I just haven't seen it.

4) You don't inhale cigars (at least no one I know does) so the carcinogens aren't getting into your lungs. Incidences of cancer among cigar smokers are lower than that of cigarette smokers... so it's bad, but not as bad. Not to mention most people aren't smoking cigars all day like heavy cigarette smokers.

...and other things.

I guess if you wanted to compare the two, it would be the difference between a guy enjoying a glass of scotch after dinner and a guy slamming beers on a work break so he can cope with the stress of his job.
 
2011-04-15 01:42:14 PM

Putter: KkrrRRZZZZ: "They're different products, with different target consumers, different aesthetic and hedonistic ends and different sets of morality questions."

So, do you have withdrawal symptoms when you quit smoking cigar?
Seems like the same morality to me, and that's not even getting into the carcinogenic issue.

Just rattling off a few reasons here:

1) People don't use cigars as crutches like they do with cigarettes. You can't take a quick smoke break with a cigar so as a means of a quick fix, it's not very good and because of that it isn't very habit forming.

2) I can't speak to everyone's addiction/withdrawal, but my buddy had a really hard time quitting smoking whereas I went from 1-2 cigars a day, to one or two cigars a month, with no symptoms or feeling of withdrawal.

3) Cigars aren't about nicotine, they're about flavor. Not that I'm saying people don't smoke purely for the nicotine but being apart of a few large cigar communities, I just haven't seen it.

4) You don't inhale cigars (at least no one I know does) so the carcinogens aren't getting into your lungs. Incidences of cancer among cigar smokers are lower than that of cigarette smokers... so it's bad, but not as bad. Not to mention most people aren't smoking cigars all day like heavy cigarette smokers.

...and other things.

I guess if you wanted to compare the two, it would be the difference between a guy enjoying a glass of scotch after dinner and a guy slamming beers on a work break so he can cope with the stress of his job.


I've never had a cigar, but I enjoy a pipe once in a while. I have to agree. I've never felt a need to smoke. It's just something I enjoy once in a while, sometimes only once in a month. Also, it's all flavor, no need to inhale.

I enjoy sweet smokes. I have a peach, a mango and a vanilla blend. Any cigar recommendations for my tastes?
 
2011-04-15 01:51:21 PM
MoronLessOff:
"I enjoy sweet smokes. I have a peach, a mango and a vanilla blend. Any cigar recommendations for my tastes?"


You want to try for infused cigars. A brand called ACID (made by Drew Estates) makes one I particularly enjoy called the Kuba Kuba. It's a little pricey, but very enjoyable if you like a sweet flavor.
 
2011-04-15 02:03:26 PM

MoronLessOff: I enjoy sweet smokes. I have a peach, a mango and a vanilla blend. Any cigar recommendations for my tastes?


Get a flavored blunt wrap and fill it with pineapple diesel.
 
2011-04-15 02:17:28 PM
Living in Spain, on a Spanish base on sovereign Spanish soil, has some advantages. Namely, I can get all that Cuban contraband completely free of legal repercussions, and bring it on the base and into my base housing.

I don't care for smoking, in any shape or form, but the rum is just completely excellent.
 
2011-04-15 02:36:33 PM

CaptainCliche: 1) Because cigars aren't addictive.
Really? You're going with that? alright.

Cigarettes and other forms of tobacco-including cigars, pipe tobacco, snuff, and chewing tobacco-contain the addictive drug nicotine. Nicotine is readily absorbed into the bloodstream when a tobacco product is chewed, inhaled, or smoked.1



I've never met a cigar smoker who was "addicted" in the sense that he was jonesing for a cigar after a long flight....unlike cigarette smokers I have met.

Do cigars contain nicotene? Yes. But I've never had withdrawals, and the only time I have anything close to a craving, it's when I smell somebody else smoking one.
 
2011-04-15 02:38:09 PM

aearra: Well it did in the US. It didn't in the civilised world.



Hurrrr durrrrrr.

Too bad the "civilized world" all too often places ridiculous sin taxes on Cuban cigars.

I'm talk to YOU, Canada.
 
2011-04-15 02:38:24 PM

The_Sponge: Do cigars contain nicotene? Yes. But I've never had withdrawals, and the only time I have anything close to a craving, it's when I smell somebody else smoking one.


Also since nicotine isn't the reason for smoking cigars, they don't selectively breed tobacco with higher nicotine content for that purpose. None of the additives either. Not saying it's good for you, but it's a LOT less harmful than cigarettes. a LOT.
 
2011-04-15 02:51:03 PM

nekom: The_Sponge: Do cigars contain nicotene? Yes. But I've never had withdrawals, and the only time I have anything close to a craving, it's when I smell somebody else smoking one.

Also since nicotine isn't the reason for smoking cigars, they don't selectively breed tobacco with higher nicotine content for that purpose. None of the additives either. Not saying it's good for you, but it's a LOT less harmful than cigarettes. a LOT.


Agreed.
All I was saying was that they are still hazardous to your health. While cigarettes are viewed as poison for the proletariat, cigars are seen as a cultured pastime. Just like you can get cirrhosis from fortified wine or the finest Napoleon brandy, cancer is still deadly if it hits your lungs from a Marlboro Red or your mouth from the finest Cuban. You're still sucking burning leaves into your body. Admittedly, as an ex smoker I do tend to have a bit of a negative view on tobacco in all of its forms.
 
2011-04-15 02:54:14 PM

Shadowknight: I don't care for smoking, in any shape or form, but the rum is just completely excellent.


My local tobacconist sells rum cigars!

Melasoul: MoronLessOff:
"I enjoy sweet smokes. I have a peach, a mango and a vanilla blend. Any cigar recommendations for my tastes?"

You want to try for infused cigars. A brand called ACID (made by Drew Estates) makes one I particularly enjoy called the Kuba Kuba. It's a little pricey, but very enjoyable if you like a sweet flavor.


Thanks for the tip, I'll ask about it.
 
2011-04-15 02:54:58 PM

YoungSwedishBlonde: Dominicans are just as good...


This. I was in the Caymans a couple of week ago and took the rare opprotuity to leagaly smoke a Romeo y Julieta Habana and while it hadn't been given the chance to age in my humidor, I still expected something special...it wasn't. Poeple want them because its forbiden fruit.
 
2011-04-15 03:00:51 PM

YoungSwedishBlonde: Dominicans are just as good...


Again, I don't care for smoking, but my friend likes the occasional cigar and immediately bought a humidor full of Cuban cigars after getting here.

He gave them away later that month, because he said they weren't near as good as the Dominicans he already had.
 
2011-04-15 03:05:21 PM
Enjoying a CAO Cameroon as I type this, so Im geting a puff out of these replies
 
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