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2011-04-14 02:59:54 PM  
Really? Clandestine hydroponics operations suck a lot of juice?

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. Get outta here.
 
2011-04-14 03:00:34 PM  

ttintagel: slayer199: Of course, if you legalized it, people could grow it outside as a legitimate crop and much of the negative effects listed in TFA would be lessened.

From TFA:

The study finds that in California, the top producer among the 17 states where it's legal to cultivate marijuana for medical purposes, not-so-green growing operations account for about 3 percent of all electricity use or about 8 percent of household use.

So, no, it doesn't seem to have solved the problem.


Yeah. Well, growing outdoors is a good way to get the shiat you're making money on stolen. Not to mention an indoor lighting environment is often better for growing certain types of crops due to the fact that lighting times and levels can be strictly controlled.

I think the point is if it was legalized in general, not just for medical purposes, people could grow their own outside (I don't think even in cali even if you can legally buy medical marijuana you're supposed to grow it yourself, but I could be wrong).
How many people would grow it themselves if it was legal rather than just buying it from someone? Honestly probably not many.
Because the fact is it's EASY to grow weed outdoors. It's NOT easy to grow really good weed with no seeds, especially outdoors. And hydroponically growing the good stuff can be expensive or at the least time consuming. And other than a few really dedicated pot growers, I don't know many people willing to do the research and put the effort in.
 
2011-04-14 03:00:37 PM  
and how is that crank-powered PC/monitor/innernets thing working out for you, HerpaDerpaDoo, you ignorant slut?

Kim-Chi_and_Blaze: decent six cell hydro kit on eBay for $35.00, nice grow light at walmart $15.00. you're going to save so much money you'll plotz. personal use you don't need a forest.
 
2011-04-14 03:00:47 PM  
Hey potheads....maybe you're too high to realize this but there's this thing called the sun. Use it.
 
Siz
2011-04-14 03:01:22 PM  

HerpaDerpaDoo: I am sadly not surprised that the drug using hipsters actually believe that hemp and marijuana comprise a sustainable, environmentally and economically beneficial plant that will help America in the long run. These are the same idiots that claim Global Warming is still occuring even though all scientific evidence actually points to the opposite -- the world is gradually cooling over time. People knew marijuana was environmentally and economically detrimental a hundred years ago -- William Randolph Hearst documented the numerous harmful effects of the plant that have proven true in contemporary society.

The environmentalists are constantly trying to make naturally occuring phenomena sound like a danger to us all. This is an effort by a minority group of scientists working under the direction of idealists who want to destabilize the American economy within the next 50 years. Within that time, they plan to expand the "Green" industry they have created for jobs that perform "green" tasks and promote "green" products, and then execute a speculative attack on the industry amidst more fabricated, pseudo-scientific speculation. Once the markets are destabilized, the country will be living in fear of another recession, and it will open the doors to the short-selling of our economy to Communist entities such as China. In this way, people like Al Gore plan to profit off of the Global Warming myth.

Even the term they have concocted for their products, "Green" goods and industry practices, is meant as a subtle insult or troll to all the extreme environmentalists who blindly follow this propaganda without question. Green is a synonym for naive and inexperienced. That describes a significant population of Liberals in this country.


Yep, you caught us. Evil scientists trying to destabilize the economy because we don't need money to do research.

/Stupid post is stupid.
 
2011-04-14 03:01:51 PM  

Jeng: MrSplifferton: Article mentions that there has been a 50% increase in energy uses in homes since 1996...

Must be from growing pot...It just hast to be...

Yea, couldn't be that every house now has a computer or two and big screen TV's.


Obviously they use the computer and big screen TVs to illuminate their weed crop.
 
2011-04-14 03:02:08 PM  
If only we could power all those lightbulbs with the sun. Surely there's *some* way to use all that solar energy to make light.

Hmm...
 
2011-04-14 03:02:09 PM  
So, having to take random drug screenings on a regular basis, I'm not a consumer. Do any of you unemployed, living in your mother's basement stoners know the effect of growing marijuana on mineral soil depletion? I would expect it to be about as bad as tobacco, but I don't know for sure.

NOTE: Compact Flourescent Lights (CFLs) put out plenty of light in the 5500-6500k range for around 10 bucks a 4-pack. These 23-26W bulbs put out about 120+ incandescent watt equivalents and plenty of heat. Home growers need to do a little more research and a little smarter DIY.
 
2011-04-14 03:03:37 PM  

KrispyKritter: and how is that crank-powered PC/monitor/innernets thing working out for you, HerpaDerpaDoo, you ignorant slut?

Kim-Chi_and_Blaze: decent six cell hydro kit on eBay for $35.00, nice grow light at walmart $15.00. you're going to save so much money you'll plotz. personal use you don't need a forest.


Hmmm, I'll look into that. In a theoretical fashion only of course. With a lowrider strain that wouldn't be bad, the only hard part would be getting the seeds I wanted.
 
2011-04-14 03:03:41 PM  
They don't really care if its ecologically sound. It's about getting the camels nose into the tent for legalization. Same schtick as Medicnial Marijuana.
 
2011-04-14 03:03:48 PM  

Red_Fox: Hey potheads....maybe you're too high to realize this but there's this thing called the sun. Use it.


Sure thing, right after the DEA quits flying around looking to bust people growing outdoors.
 
2011-04-14 03:03:54 PM  
I don't know which I'm more amazed by: the number of bites an obvious gimmick account like HerpaDerpaDoo is getting, or the number of people who didn't just go tl;dr on that post.

/god knows i didn't read all that
 
2011-04-14 03:04:56 PM  
www.lrhomesolutions.com

Way cheaper to operate than a metal halide bulb.
 
2011-04-14 03:05:37 PM  
gee, if there was only some kinda eco-friendly alternative...

ledgrowlightsuk.co.uk
 
2011-04-14 03:05:55 PM  

Mootwo: So, having to take random drug screenings on a regular basis, I'm not a consumer. Do any of you unemployed, living in your mother's basement stoners know the effect of growing marijuana on mineral soil depletion? I would expect it to be about as bad as tobacco, but I don't know for sure.

NOTE: Compact Flourescent Lights (CFLs) put out plenty of light in the 5500-6500k range for around 10 bucks a 4-pack. These 23-26W bulbs put out about 120+ incandescent watt equivalents and plenty of heat. Home growers need to do a little more research and a little smarter DIY.


As with any crop, you would have to follow crop rotation. Plant Hemp one season, something else the next, etc.
 
2011-04-14 03:06:41 PM  

ttintagel: slayer199: Of course, if you legalized it, people could grow it outside as a legitimate crop and much of the negative effects listed in TFA would be lessened.

From TFA:

The study finds that in California, the top producer among the 17 states where it's legal to cultivate marijuana for medical purposes, not-so-green growing operations account for about 3 percent of all electricity use or about 8 percent of household use.

So, no, it doesn't seem to have solved the problem.


State laws don't protect you from the Fed. Growers in California can still go to jail, and are subject to the jackboots of the DEA.
 
2011-04-14 03:07:40 PM  

Mootwo: So, having to take random drug screenings on a regular basis, I'm not a consumer. Do any of you unemployed, living in your mother's basement stoners know the effect of growing marijuana on mineral soil depletion? I would expect it to be about as bad as tobacco, but I don't know for sure.

NOTE: Compact Flourescent Lights (CFLs) put out plenty of light in the 5500-6500k range for around 10 bucks a 4-pack. These 23-26W bulbs put out about 120+ incandescent watt equivalents and plenty of heat. Home growers need to do a little more research and a little smarter DIY.


It's not at bad as tobacco, but cannabis is a very heavy feeder when given the opportunity, and will establish a vast root system in search of moisture and nutrients , sometimes reaching in excess of 6 feet deep. One interesting related note is that industrial hemp has potential value in removing toxins from polluted soil.

CFLs suck because they get too hot. T5 tubes are the current fluorescent standard, and can be placed far closer to plants.
 
2011-04-14 03:07:54 PM  

fireclown: They don't really care if its ecologically sound. It's about getting the camels nose into the tent for legalization. Same schtick as Medicnial Marijuana.


Interestingly, many of the same people who are up in arms about the health care law (they can't *make* me buy insurance!) are also very anti-MJ-legalization.

...yet both laws -- the health care law & the laws that establish the DEA -- are predicated on the *same* clause of the constitution: the interstate commerce clause.
 
2011-04-14 03:08:40 PM  

MrSplifferton: Article mentions that there has been a 50% increase in energy uses in homes since 1996...

Must be from growing pot...It just hast to be...


It couldn't be 3- 60" plasma TV's 3 pc's, xbox, wii 5 cell phones charging and a hybrid or 2.

This study or conjecture funded by big pharma.
 
2011-04-14 03:09:00 PM  

AmoLudare: slayer199: Of course, if you legalized it, people could grow it outside as a legitimate crop and much of the negative effects listed in TFA would be lessened.

This. Hydroponics and heat lamps? Of course it's not as good as growing things in the dirt and outside.


Nor is growing on wet, steep slide-prone hillsides as would be the case here in weed central No. Calif. Lots of ground-stabilizing trees need to be removed to guarantee enough sun.

Farkers would shiat how many home fires around here are started by indoor grow ops. $50k in elaborate set up equipment in a "fake" house in the sticks, only to set it and 2000 acres of brush on fire. If 2 power strips were ok, 15 should work just fine on one plug, right?. Or, as also gets found in raids, water from mist and drip systems has unique ways of collecting and dripping on unprotected circuits.
 
2011-04-14 03:09:06 PM  
This article seems to imply that legalization would result in a giant reduction in energy consumption in these counties. This would assist the rest of us in throwing off the oppressive yoke of the petro cartels. Obviously the conservatives will back this America First initiative and allow the growing of this of valuable agricultural commodity. Think of the small family farm, the veritable backbone of the American spirit. I weep for these American farmers who are being held down by the heavy hand of government.
 
2011-04-14 03:09:32 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: gee, if there was only some kinda eco-friendly alternative...


They're still out of almost everyone's price range, though. When the technology becomes affordable, then you will see people switching over.
 
2011-04-14 03:09:33 PM  
I've come to prefer the 'spice'
 
2011-04-14 03:09:37 PM  

HerpaDerpaDoo: I am sadly not surprised that the drug using hipsters actually believe that hemp and marijuana comprise a sustainable, environmentally and economically beneficial plant that will help America in the long run. These are the same idiots that claim Global Warming is still occuring even though all scientific evidence actually points to the opposite -- the world is gradually cooling over time. People knew marijuana was environmentally and economically detrimental a hundred years ago -- William Randolph Hearst documented the numerous harmful effects of the plant that have proven true in contemporary society.

The environmentalists are constantly trying to make naturally occuring phenomena sound like a danger to us all. This is an effort by a minority group of scientists working under the direction of idealists who want to destabilize the American economy within the next 50 years. Within that time, they plan to expand the "Green" industry they have created for jobs that perform "green" tasks and promote "green" products, and then execute a speculative attack on the industry amidst more fabricated, pseudo-scientific speculation. Once the markets are destabilized, the country will be living in fear of another recession, and it will open the doors to the short-selling of our economy to Communist entities such as China. In this way, people like Al Gore plan to profit off of the Global Warming myth.

Even the term they have concocted for their products, "Green" goods and industry practices, is meant as a subtle insult or troll to all the extreme environmentalists who blindly follow this propaganda without question. Green is a synonym for naive and inexperienced. That describes a significant population of Liberals in this country.


fark you retard no hippies or liberals who grow pot think it's environmentally friendly. You're consuming vast amounts of electricity to keep your lights going 12 or 14 hours a day. Go fark yourself noob.
 
2011-04-14 03:09:45 PM  

Antimatter: Mootwo: So, having to take random drug screenings on a regular basis, I'm not a consumer. Do any of you unemployed, living in your mother's basement stoners know the effect of growing marijuana on mineral soil depletion? I would expect it to be about as bad as tobacco, but I don't know for sure.

NOTE: Compact Flourescent Lights (CFLs) put out plenty of light in the 5500-6500k range for around 10 bucks a 4-pack. These 23-26W bulbs put out about 120+ incandescent watt equivalents and plenty of heat. Home growers need to do a little more research and a little smarter DIY.

As with any crop, you would have to follow crop rotation. Plant Hemp one season, something else the next, etc.


Thank you Mr. Pothead. You win a twinkie.
 
2011-04-14 03:09:59 PM  

jshine: fireclown: They don't really care if its ecologically sound. It's about getting the camels nose into the tent for legalization. Same schtick as Medicnial Marijuana.

Interestingly, many of the same people who are up in arms about the health care law (they can't *make* me buy insurance!) are also very anti-MJ-legalization.

...yet both laws -- the health care law & the laws that establish the DEA -- are predicated on the *same* clause of the constitution: the interstate commerce clause.


You're looking for logical consistency from neocons?
 
2011-04-14 03:10:01 PM  
So wait, that 1000 watt HPS takes like energy to run it dude? Thanks for the heads up, bro.
 
2011-04-14 03:10:34 PM  

slayer199: Of course, if you legalized it, people could grow it outside as a legitimate crop and much of the negative effects listed in TFA would be lessened.


You can better control the potency of the THC when you grow it hydroponically. Also if it was outside and legal I don't think the cops would be bothered to come out to your place and stack it out when the neighborhood jr high students stole your bud.
 
2011-04-14 03:11:03 PM  

Mootwo: So, having to take random drug screenings on a regular basis, I'm not a consumer. Do any of you unemployed, living in your mother's basement stoners know the effect of growing marijuana on mineral soil depletion? I would expect it to be about as bad as tobacco, but I don't know for sure.


I haven't read about it recently (haven't indulged in years so not necessarily interested anymore), but last time I did some reading it's actually not bad as far as mineral depletion goes compared to many other crops (especially something like tobacco). That's part of the reason people tout growing hemp over something like corn. There's a reason it's called a weed. It can grow almost anywhere year after year and doesn't suck up many nutrients.
But you will have some mineral depletion concerns when farming most plants. You counteract it by rotating crops, not growing in that same area every year, and by composting.
 
2011-04-14 03:11:14 PM  
Hickman, you dumb cock. Why do you think people prefer to grow indoors as opposed to planting it along with their tomatoes out back?
 
2011-04-14 03:11:32 PM  

GT_bike: MrSplifferton: Article mentions that there has been a 50% increase in energy uses in homes since 1996...

Must be from growing pot...It just hast to be...

It couldn't be 3- 60" plasma TV's 3 pc's, xbox, wii 5 cell phones charging and a hybrid or 2.

This study or conjecture funded by big pharma.


Yea, running a 1000W metal halide bulb indoors for 12/18/24 hours a day is no big deal. At 18 hrs./day, that's 540 kWh per month. For one light-bulb.
 
2011-04-14 03:12:07 PM  
images2.wikia.nocookie.net

So it is true you can make all kinds of shirts and ropes out of help?

Dave's not here, man.

... I also heard it makes great shampoo?

Whoa, it DOES?? NO WAY!! Man, I gotta check out this brochure!
 
2011-04-14 03:13:02 PM  

Red_Fox: Hey potheads....maybe you're too high to realize this but there's this thing called the sun. Use it.


heh, my parents (now in their 70s) accidentally ended up with cannabis growing in their garden.

Sadly I was way too young to take advantage.

No, not hippy parents, but they did apparently find it funny.
 
2011-04-14 03:13:57 PM  
If only there were some place plants could get large amounts of UV light for free...maybe then legalizing pot would make sense. But nope, plants have to be grown indoors, it's the only way.
 
2011-04-14 03:14:13 PM  

Occam's Chainsaw: So indoor grows using powerful lights, hydroponic systems, and air recirculators are energy inefficient, and the whole "use the waste portions for cellulosic biodiesel" wasn't even mentioned? Double fail, subby. Something tells me dirt + water + sunlight + plant is still pretty damn energy efficient.


Ok, wasn't it just yesterday that the biologist came out and declared that those dirty hippies growing indoors under intense light were actually the saviors of the human species because it turns out high intensity growing is more cost effective and better for the planet than the pesticide dependent water pigs of traditional farming and that all our veggies will some day come from these same dang dirty hippies?
which is it? I am getting confused
 
2011-04-14 03:15:08 PM  

Red_Fox: Hey potheads....maybe you're too high to realize this but there's this thing called the sun. Use it.


Hey genius, maybe you're too stupid to realize this, but there's this thing called prohibition. It's currently being used.

Basically what it means is growing an illegal plant (may be legal by California's laws, but the Fed/DEA will still bust you) outside is a stupid idea because they can find it. An indoor operation is at least shielded from outside intrusion.

/If you're gonna do it, you need to spike your electricity the second you move in and keep it that high. Electricity company just assumes you like to have all lights and TV's on.
 
2011-04-14 03:15:44 PM  

culebra: Ow! That was my feelings!: gee, if there was only some kinda eco-friendly alternative...

They're still out of almost everyone's price range, though. When the technology becomes affordable, then you will see people switching over.


truth, but you can cut your power cost by up to 75% or more, so the extra cost pays for itself quickly.
 
2011-04-14 03:16:13 PM  
came here for the rationalization - leaving oh so satisfied!
 
2011-04-14 03:16:45 PM  
Funny, the author of the study didn't figure in the fact tha 55% of the US cannabis crop is grown outdoors.

Oh, and that cannabis uses up to 1500ppm of Co2 if it is readily available (we currently have 75ppm on earth).

Failed propaganda is failed.

(Yes, I have called the studies author and left multiple messages today. No calls have been returned yet).
 
2011-04-14 03:16:59 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: gee, if there was only some kinda eco-friendly alternative...


The big problem is the initial investment for LED grow lights. I'm pretty well aware of costs due to the fact that I grow aquatic plants and corals in my fish tanks and the cost of even a simple LED pendent is quite a bit.
You can build LED lighting yourself for a slightly lower cost, but it's kind of complicated to do so even for someone that is decent at that kind of stuff. And really the lower cost doesn't offset the time needed to build, so most people only do it for a hobby/experiment sort of thing.

I think in the long run it's a cost savings due to the fact that LEDs tend to last longer, consume less energy, and don't put off the heat of other fixtures, but many people simply look at the up front cost which seems outrageous. And if you're already an established grower that has invested in some other type of fixtures you may not see much of a benefit in completely changing out to a new type of fixture instead of simply replacing bulbs when needed.
 
2011-04-14 03:18:03 PM  

Mr Rusty Shackleford: Hickman, you dumb cock. Why do you think people prefer to grow indoors as opposed to planting it along with their tomatoes out back?


Because they don't know what the fark they're doing. On average, indoor is going to have a higher concentration of glandular trichomes and so a higher potency by weight.

However, I'd argue that the best cannabis in the world is properly grown greenhouse or outdoor. There is simply no way for an HID to compete with the benefits of real sun and it's effects on cannabinoid production. So long as you can keep the rain and wind from farking you over, you're half way to a crop that is comparably potent to indoor, but much better tasting.
 
2011-04-14 03:18:32 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Red_Fox: Hey potheads....maybe you're too high to realize this but there's this thing called the sun. Use it.

Hey genius, maybe you're too stupid to realize this, but there's this thing called prohibition. It's currently being used.

Basically what it means is growing an illegal plant (may be legal by California's laws, but the Fed/DEA will still bust you) outside is a stupid idea because they can find it. An indoor operation is at least shielded from outside intrusion.

/If you're gonna do it, you need to spike your electricity the second you move in and keep it that high. Electricity company just assumes you like to have all lights and TV's on.


Just install a farking sky-light. It'll cost what, a few $k? Running an indoor growing operation will burn through that much electricity *very* fast, and at least the sky-light isn't powered by electricity (usually coal).
 
2011-04-14 03:18:33 PM  

slayer199: Of course, if you legalized it, people could grow it outside as a legitimate crop and much of the negative effects listed in TFA would be lessened.


LEGALIZE IT!!?? Are you daft man!? Have you no love for the children!? Methinks you need to watch this (new window) and then let me know what you think about legalization, Mr. Smart Guy.
 
2011-04-14 03:18:55 PM  
wait, wait, wait.

electricity use actually goes up?

*mind blown*

/not really
//it's hilarious to try to attribute all of it to growing weed
///it's not like we have a society that uses electricity for things like cooling (thanks global warming) or entertainment or anything!
 
2011-04-14 03:19:11 PM  

culebra: Of course most aren't lucky enough to live in the right places...


They grow pot outdoors in Alaska. And in Equatorial Africa. So this is incorrect.

Am I too late to say that subby is an idiot and/or a troll? And that the two conditions are indistinguishable, with exceedingly rare exceptions?

Mootwo: So, having to take random drug screenings on a regular basis, I'm not a consumer. Do any of you unemployed, living in your mother's basement stoners know the effect of growing marijuana on mineral soil depletion? I would expect it to be about as bad as tobacco, but I don't know for sure.

NOTE: Compact Flourescent Lights (CFLs) put out plenty of light in the 5500-6500k range for around 10 bucks a 4-pack. These 23-26W bulbs put out about 120+ incandescent watt equivalents and plenty of heat. Home growers need to do a little more research and a little smarter DIY.


You know, if you could resist the impulse to weigh in on stuff you know nothing about, you would be better able to conceal the fact that you're ignorant. This might help you to land a job that would allow you to live independently.
 
2011-04-14 03:20:27 PM  

Ihaveanevilparrot: Ow! That was my feelings!: gee, if there was only some kinda eco-friendly alternative...

The big problem is the initial investment for LED grow lights. I'm pretty well aware of costs due to the fact that I grow aquatic plants and corals in my fish tanks and the cost of even a simple LED pendent is quite a bit.
You can build LED lighting yourself for a slightly lower cost, but it's kind of complicated to do so even for someone that is decent at that kind of stuff. And really the lower cost doesn't offset the time needed to build, so most people only do it for a hobby/experiment sort of thing.

I think in the long run it's a cost savings due to the fact that LEDs tend to last longer, consume less energy, and don't put off the heat of other fixtures, but many people simply look at the up front cost which seems outrageous. And if you're already an established grower that has invested in some other type of fixtures you may not see much of a benefit in completely changing out to a new type of fixture instead of simply replacing bulbs when needed.


see, this is what i 'would have said' if i wasn't so frickin high right now and need pictures to explain myself.
 
2011-04-14 03:20:56 PM  

godxam: came here for the rationalization - leaving oh so satisfied!


No one has to rationalize cannabis any longer.
 
2011-04-14 03:21:25 PM  

Alphakronik: Funny, the author of the study didn't figure in the fact tha 55% of the US cannabis crop is grown outdoors.


How would you know one way or the other? I read the article as being based on actual electricity usage stats from the power company which would implicitly account for (or, more precisely, exclude) the outdoor-grown crop.
 
2011-04-14 03:23:18 PM  

jshine: Just install a farking sky-light. It'll cost what, a few $k? Running an indoor growing operation will burn through that much electricity *very* fast, and at least the sky-light isn't powered by electricity (usually coal).


Can you explain this coal-powered sky light or a link to it? When I think sky-light I think of a small unnecessary window in the ceiling that provides very little light (yet always lets the sun hit you right in the eyes in the living room). If you're gonna make the whole roof a skylight, then you're still exposing it to flyovers. If you have to tint the glass to make it more opaque, you're obstructing sunlight and defeating the purpose.
 
2011-04-14 03:23:19 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: see, this is what i 'would have said' if i wasn't so frickin high right now and need pictures to explain myself.


It's ok! I got your back!

/also available to translate stoner typing
 
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