I am sadly not surprised that the drug using hipsters actually believe that hemp and marijuana comprise a sustainable, environmentally and economically beneficial plant that will help America in the long run. These are the same idiots that claim Global Warming is still occuring even though all scientific evidence actually points to the opposite -- the world is gradually cooling over time. People knew marijuana was environmentally and economically detrimental a hundred years ago -- William Randolph Hearst documented the numerous harmful effects of the plant that have proven true in contemporary society.

The environmentalists are constantly trying to make naturally occuring phenomena sound like a danger to us all. This is an effort by a minority group of scientists working under the direction of idealists who want to destabilize the American economy within the next 50 years. Within that time, they plan to expand the "Green" industry they have created for jobs that perform "green" tasks and promote "green" products, and then execute a speculative attack on the industry amidst more fabricated, pseudo-scientific speculation. Once the markets are destabilized, the country will be living in fear of another recession, and it will open the doors to the short-selling of our economy to Communist entities such as China. In this way, people like Al Gore plan to profit off of the Global Warming myth.

Even the term they have concocted for their products, "Green" goods and industry practices, is meant as a subtle insult or troll to all the extreme environmentalists who blindly follow this propaganda without question. Green is a synonym for naive and inexperienced. That describes a significant population of Liberals in this country.

I'll give you an 'eh' for effort, but you're really not pulling it off. Short trolls are best. The longer it is, the more likely people are to catch on or lose interest.

So indoor grows using powerful lights, hydroponic systems, and air recirculators are energy inefficient, and the whole "use the waste portions for cellulosic biodiesel" wasn't even mentioned? Double fail, subby. Something tells me dirt + water + sunlight + plant is still pretty damn energy efficient.

Also, let's discuss economies of scale. When it's 2,000 people each growing a tiny plot of plants, delivery is going to be inefficient. There's going to be redundancy in lighting, hydration, and ventilation. A full-scale commercial grow is going to have lighting properly mapped, as you don't want to pay a penny more than you have to. Ventilation for one greenhouse or warehouse is far more efficient than hundreds of individual systems. One hydro system with a handful of pumps, more efficient than hundreds of individual pumps. And masking systems are typically overengineered in homegrows; a legal, full-scale grow op won't have to make damned certain that even the tiniest whiff of skunk doesn't escape, because the sheriff won't come down on them like a ton of assholes.

So once again, the problem is prohibition, and the solution is the end of it.

HerpaDerpaDoo [TotalFark] (favorite: Troll, duh.)

Brevity is the soul of wit, Pocket Ninja -- something you desperately need to learn.

Not to mention that industrially farming hemp for its various uses:



is good for the environment.

slayer199: Of course, if you legalized it, people could grow it outside as a legitimate crop and much of the negative effects listed in TFA would be lessened.

Don't see that happening if they legalized it. They would want to tax it, and won't like people growing large amounts on their own. There was an article a while back that New York was looking to ban letting people grow their own tobacco for that very reason.

GaryPDX: Hearst didn't want hemp paper competing with his timber paper interests with his own 95 newspapers across the country.

Don't forget the cotton lobby. They were just as eager to lump industrial hemp in with marijuana in order to get it banned.


muck4doo: They would want to tax it, and won't like people growing large amounts on their own.

Large amounts, sure. If it were legalized, you'd most likely have a personal grow exception like you do with beer today. Everything under X plants is legal, anything more requires a series of permits and licenses.

Holy crap, that was the most idiotic argument I have ever seen on the internet. Yeah dude, clandestine grow operations use a lot of electricity what a farking shocker!

Well gosh, if only there was a source of free energy that plants could use for photosynthesis, we wouldn't have to use up all that 'lectricity to make 'em grow!

I would guess most people that have that involved of a grow room aren't that concerned about the carbon footprint of their personal stash. They're doing it to make money.

Good god someone needs to go outside. Or put less into it...might pull something trying to stretch so hard.

HerpaDerpaDoo: I am sadly not surprised that the drug using hipsters actually believe that hemp and marijuana comprise a sustainable, environmentally and economically beneficial plant that will help America in the long run. These are the same >

oops, i accidentally Ignored you about 1/4 of the way in. dammit to hell.

slayer199: Of course, if you legalized it, people could grow it outside as a legitimate crop and much of the negative effects listed in TFA would be lessened.

This. Hydroponics and heat lamps? Of course it's not as good as growing things in the dirt and outside.

muck4doo: slayer199: Of course, if you legalized it, people could grow it outside as a legitimate crop and much of the negative effects listed in TFA would be lessened.

Don't see that happening if they legalized it. They would want to tax it, and won't like people growing large amounts on their own. There was an article a while back that New York was looking to ban letting people grow their own tobacco for that very reason.

People are, generally, lazy. If they have to choose between growing their own pot and merely buying it (once it's freely available), most people will do the latter. Same with veggies, beer, tobacco, etc.

slayer199: Of course, if you legalized it, people could grow it outside as a legitimate crop and much of the negative effects listed in TFA would be lessened.

Too many words for anti-drug zealots.

All those tree-hugging, granola-chewing, dirty hippies who think growing cannabis is good for the environment are wrong

Agriculture is pretty bad for the environment in general.

James F. Campbell: HerpaDerpaDoo [TotalFark] (favorite: Troll, duh.)

Brevity is the soul of wit, Pocket Ninja -- something you desperately need to learn.

HDD = PN? Huh. Didn't realize that.

Not only are clandestine marijuana-growing operations harmful to the environment, but EVERY SINGLE ONE is operated by a CRIMINAL!


/derp

my god, someone better invent a glass building that lets light in but allows to control the environment.

LordJiro: muck4doo: slayer199: Of course, if you legalized it, people could grow it outside as a legitimate crop and much of the negative effects listed in TFA would be lessened.

Don't see that happening if they legalized it. They would want to tax it, and won't like people growing large amounts on their own. There was an article a while back that New York was looking to ban letting people grow their own tobacco for that very reason.

People are, generally, lazy. If they have to choose between growing their own pot and merely buying it (once it's freely available), most people will do the latter. Same with veggies, beer, tobacco, etc.

I prefer to grow my own veges, make my own beer and wine. I'd be growing pot in my garden in a second if it was legal. I'd rather not grow it now because it simply isn't worth the risk or the initial investment in equipment to grow it indoors.

Dinjiin: GaryPDX: Hearst didn't want hemp paper competing with his timber paper interests with his own 95 newspapers across the country.

Don't forget the cotton lobby. They were just as eager to lump industrial hemp in with marijuana in order to get it banned.


muck4doo: They would want to tax it, and won't like people growing large amounts on their own.

Large amounts, sure. If it were legalized, you'd most likely have a personal grow exception like you do with beer today. Everything under X plants is legal, anything more requires a series of permits and licenses.

Most people are not going to grow enough for themselves outdoors. If you could plant that much somewhere, some asshole is gonna see it and snatch it a few days to a week before it's ready. if it's "free" they don't care it's not quite ready. Plus it's a lot of work, a lot of storage, and not much variety. As soon as pot is legal, your gonna end up with a beer like market. Cheap mega grows with weak bland crap perfect for when you just want a toke, small grows with all kinds of strengths, tastes and highs.

/90 till it's legal in Canada??
//Doubt it, but there is hope!

muck4doo: slayer199: Of course, if you legalized it, people could grow it outside as a legitimate crop and much of the negative effects listed in TFA would be lessened.

Don't see that happening if they legalized it. They would want to tax it, and won't like people growing large amounts on their own. There was an article a while back that New York was looking to ban letting people grow their own tobacco for that very reason.

But how exactly would they know how much the person grew?

"How many ounces or pound did you grow, Citizen?"
"Duuuuuuuude!"
"That is not an answer! How much?"
"Duuude?"

Marcus Aurelius: HerpaDerpaDoo

That's just too large a piece of bait for anyone to even take more than a nibble. But the nibblers are here.

They've got the munchies.

Fark off.

bottsicus: I would guess most people that have that involved of a grow room aren't that concerned about the carbon footprint of their personal stash. They're doing it to make money.

this is how freemarkets work. even when black.

Article mentions that there has been a 50% increase in energy uses in homes since 1996...

Must be from growing pot...It just hast to be...

slayer199: Of course, if you legalized it, people could grow it outside as a legitimate crop and much of the negative effects listed in TFA would be lessened.

This.

James F. Campbell: Not to mention that industrially farming hemp for its various uses:



is good for the environment.

This.

Rent Party: Well gosh, if only there was a source of free energy that plants could use for photosynthesis, we wouldn't have to use up all that 'lectricity to make 'em grow!

This.

Headso: Holy crap, that was the most idiotic argument I have ever seen on the internet. Yeah dude, clandestine grow operations use a lot of electricity what a farking shocker!

THIS.

/90 DAYS till it's legal in Canada???

FTFM

The article forgot to take into account that I don't give a rats ass about my "carbon footprint".

/Reefer Madness

bottsicus: I would guess most people that have that involved of a grow room aren't that concerned about the carbon footprint of their personal stash. They're doing it to make money.

Be fair. Money and something to smoke.

Because pot as a drug and industrial hemp are totally the same thing, right trollmitter?

Running lots of high-powered lights that you would not otherwise run results in a higher electrical bill than you would otherwise have? The hell you say!

Subby, I don't think anyone, hippy or not, thinks that growing weed indoors hydroponically with huge grow lights saves on energy or helps the environment.

I really doubt growing yourself some pot in a greenhouse or outdoors or something from sunlight is going to be detrimental to the environment.

Headso: Holy crap, that was the most idiotic argument I have ever seen on the internet.

That is a bold statement. But I am forced to agree.

I pronounce it dumber than a bag of hammers. Retarded hammers.

"when you cough, it tastes like strawberries"

slayer199: Of course, if you legalized it, people could grow it outside as a legitimate crop and much of the negative effects listed in TFA would be lessened.

From TFA:

The study finds that in California, the top producer among the 17 states where it's legal to cultivate marijuana for medical purposes, not-so-green growing operations account for about 3 percent of all electricity use or about 8 percent of household use.

So, no, it doesn't seem to have solved the problem.

MrSplifferton: Article mentions that there has been a 50% increase in energy uses in homes since 1996...

Must be from growing pot...It just hast to be...

Yea, couldn't be that every house now has a computer or two and big screen TV's.

Jeng: Yea, couldn't be that every house now has a computer or two and big screen TV's

my computer is powered by a wind tu

Or you could just use this thing:



Of course most aren't lucky enough to live in the right places, but this article is ridiculous on many levels. "Is cannabis production intrinsically polluting?"-what a retarded question. I suppose certain methods lend themselves to the use of toxic substances and waste energy, but only as much as a hydroponic tomato operation utilizing HID lights and petrochemical fertilizers.

Arab Lover: "when you cough, it tastes like strawberries"

Wife and I cracked up at that scene.........we had just smoked some Strawberry Cough before the movie.

Excellent strain, not the most potent, but a very nice high.

Really? Clandestine hydroponics operations suck a lot of juice?

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. Get outta here.